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 No.669872

Any anons knowledgeable on this topic? reading about this guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Verwoerd

found this part interesting

To that same end, Verwoerd greatly expanded apartheid.[citation needed] He branded the system as a policy of "good-neighborliness", stating that different races and cultures could only reach their full potential if they lived and developed apart from each other, avoiding potential cultural clashes,[neutrality is disputed] and that the white minority had to be protected from the majority non-white in South Africa by pursuing a "policy of separate development" namely apartheid


Why doesn't a system like that work where the blacks do their own thing and then the whites do their own thing? can anyone explain this to me?

 No.669877

>>669872
If you wanna imagine what apartheid South Africa was like imagine Israel but run even more incompetently and even more dependent on American aid to not literally implode as a state. Fucking retarded beaurocrats running the apartheid government straight up stunted their own countries development by making it illegal for black trade workers to be employed which was pretty much the entire countries blue collar labour force

 No.669881

>>669877
wait, im under the impression that South Africa was much better run when it was under white rule and since the end of apartied south african quality of life has been dropping ever since?

 No.669884

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>>669872
Material analysis.

>Despite the efforts of the British Conservatives, particularly under Margaret Thatcher, the winer and diner-in-chief of all reactionaries globally, and the other imperialist leaders, the South African regime was eventually brought to its knees by the sacrifices of millions of black South Africans: the labour forces in the mines; the children in the schools and the people in the townships. They were backed by the solidarity actions of workers and people in the major countries through boycotts, strike action and political campaigning. It was a big defeat for the forces of reaction in Britain and America.

>But the timing of the end of apartheid was also due to a change of attitude by the white ruling class in South Africa and the ruling classes of the major capitalist states. There was a hard-headed decision to no longer consider Mandela ‘a terrorist’ and recognise that a black president was inevitable and even necessary. Why? South Africa’s capitalist economy was on its knees. That was not just because of boycotting, but because the productivity of the black labour in the mines and factories had dropped away. The quality of investment in industry and availability of investment from abroad had fallen sharply. This was expressed in the profitability of capital reaching a post-war low in the global recession of the early 1980s. And unlike other capitalist economies, South Africa could find no way of turning that around through the exploitation of the labour force.

>The ruling class had to change strategy. The white leadership under FW de Klerk reversed decades of previous policy and opted to release Mandela and go for black majority government that could restore labour discipline and revive profitability. For his deserts, De Klerk got the Nobel Peace Prize along with Mandela, who became president at the age of 76! And profitability did indeed rise dramatically under the first Mandela administration as the rate of exploitation of the workforce rocketed.

>The rise in profitability tapered off in the early 2000s as the organic composition of capital rose sharply through increased mechanisation even though that yet a further rise in the rate of exploitation. South African industry is now in difficulty, unemployment and crime remain at global highs and economic growth is foundering.
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/mandelas-economic-legacy/

 No.669886

>>669877
like looking it up now but its hard to find a few graphs showing average life expectancy and quality of life both dropping around 1992 right when the transition was happening

 No.669887

>>669881
No and it wasn’t
Life expectancy in Africa is low because Africa contains the most diseases like malaria that are hard to make vaccines out of, the narrative that things were better is litera neocolonial garbage spewed by NATO to distract from the fact that under the Dutch government murder rates and poverty among all races within the country never went down

 No.669888

>>669872
>Why doesn't a system like that work where the blacks do their own thing and then the whites do their own thing? can anyone explain this to me?
Because they were litteral reservations wherein there was hardly any arable land, no infrastructure, not adequate housing, no self governance (the apartheid state was still the boss), they werent allowed to leave their bantustan, thet didnt have natural resources, no education, and were still subject to the will of the capitalist government in the white part.

Its like asking why haiti is poor if they are their own thing. Its because of continued imperialism, you dumb shit.

 No.669892

>>669887
i've seen some statistics showing murderes in south africa under white rule were like 200 and then under black rule it went up to like 4000 or something

 No.669896

>>669884
Also:

>South Africa under Mandela and later Thabo Mbeki has seen some improvement in the truly awful living situation of the black majority, in sanitation, housing, electricity, education, health etc, ending the cruel and arbitrary control of movement and the inequality of the apartheid regime. But South Africa has the highest inequality of incomes and wealth in the world still and inequality has never been higher as black capitalists have joined the white ones in the economy. Despite its professed socialist ideology, the ANC never went towards replacing the capitalist mode of production with common ownership, not even of the mines or resource industries.

Basically the Apartheid-era economy was unsustainable and its end brought some temporary relief and restored economic growth, but that has since fallen away.

 No.669897

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>>669892
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/South_African_murder_rate.png

 No.669898

>>669897
Coincides with the collapsing rate of profit in the 1970s.

 No.669911

>>669898
In short: Apartheid was just a superstructure. Whether it worked or not was dependent on the underlying economic base which began decomposing in the 70s/80s.

 No.672174

>>672168
Yeah sure bro
Having 90% of your population being blocked from employment and destroying your own factories because brown ppl something has totally no effect on your economies stability

 No.672198

>>672158
The ANC was never a communist party, not even during the insurgency post-Sharpeville. It was founded in the early 20th century as the party of the black petit bourg. When in power the ANC has refused to even work toward the goals of the Freedom Charter, all of which are possible with a capitalist mode of production.

 No.672210

>>672202
There was a lot more going on than the sanctions, townships were rising up in ways the police couldn't handle, so they negotiated with opportunist ANC leadership to co-opt the street movements and protect Capital in the country.

 No.672227

>>672218
The ANC was never US sponsored, if anything it was Cuba sponsored, and the disnintegration started before then. South Africa was doomed when they lost the war for Angola.

 No.672251

>>672218
South Africa was turning into a pariah state and sanctions increased the pressure. The U.S. Congress passed sanctions on South Africa in 1986 which Reagan vetoed, but Congress overrode his veto. Thatcher imposed limited sanctions because other countries (India, Australia, Canada, Zambia, etc.) threatened to break up the Commonwealth.

 No.672269

>>672263
>Tatcher and Reagan only resisted because they need more time for the South Africans to sell uranium to Israel.
this doesn't even make sense lol
>If the oligarchs of these countries wanted to support Soith Africa, they could simply have stopped the news agencies from covering it. Like they have done with Saudi Arabia's war against Yemen, Israeli expansion into Palestine, or anti-vaccine protests
tight control of what mass media shows never really happened until the 90s when monopolies started to be built up

 No.672301

>>672263
Flashback

 No.672435

>>669877
>imagine Israel
Stopped reading there. What part of majority vs minority rule doesn't you understand.

 No.672472

love seeing people respond seriously to this racist retard one click away from /pol/

 No.674659

>>669872
>Why doesn't a system like that work where the blacks do their own thing and then the whites do their own thing
Each race must coexist with another. Black professionals helping poor Whites and vice versa are good stuff. Also it's racism, so it would be internationally boycotted, especially when it relies on imports. And Blacks are subject to systemic racism too, so how can they achieve the same qualities as whites?


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