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 No.670067

I think we all understand that the medical industry has a predisposition to 'treat rather then cure' but at the same time i dont think many people realise that in regards to the 'mental-health industry' how wide the net is being cast nowadays in regards to both 'what a mental-illness is' and 'what are the symptoms of mental illness' both in regards to childhood and adult psychology.

Like in the mid 2010s when i was in high-school basically any non-NPC / edgy behaviour would get you sent to talk to the school councillor or have your parent's suggested you be sent to see a clinical psychiatrist or some shit. With basically the end goal being you getting doped up on Ritalin or SSRI's or something. The schools especially are like oddly meticulous in trying to find any vague reason to do this to people

This actually happened to ME on one occasion where the school librarian decided that because i would come into the library and play games on the computer / watch YouTube in a beanbag chair on my phone with headphones in / read books (Not anything political, Im not Haz i didn't master hegel at 8, I usually just read those big books with illustrations and drawings about WW1/2 and shit) that i apparently had 'Undiagnosed Autism or Asperger's and is potentially suicidally depressed'.

They then tried to force me (Who was like a good way towards being 18 at this point) to attend some sort of group therapy at the community centre for like extremely autistic people who can't talk and people with anxiety to help them communicate better or some shit.
To which i refused, iirc with a statement somewhat along the lines of…
<"What you want me to go the community centre on friday afternoon and hang out with like retarded people or something? wtf lol no okay miss?"
After-which the school began harassing my parents with phone-calls saying that unless they booked me in to see a psychiatrist they were seeing signs that i was going to kill myself or something and that i wouldn't be allowed to do x,y,z at school until i did.
So eventually i go and i suppose had the fortune to get one of the only people who wasn't a fuckwit and they bluntly said.
<"Honestly mate? I've got idea why've you even been sent to see me. You seem like a pretty well adjusted teenager and you genuinely can't see what others are seeing in you to call you depressed…"
So i dodged the SSRI bullet that would have locked my brain up and turned me into a NPC FOREVER
(But not before said teachers at the school told literally everyone i was friends with that i was apparently depressed and/or autistic and to basically start treating me with tard gloves, Which pretty ruined the remainder of my time in school)

But now looking back i realise just how many people have probably been put through this wringer and not had the good fortune to get out of it unscathed basically.
Not even talking about how even with adults these psychologists literally just call everything depression or some sort of neurotic issue that needs pills and results in these people getting FUCKED UP F O R E V E R.

I've also been called 'literally insane and should be in a hospital' because of being a Marxist and supporting socialist policies (or even absolutely barebones Social-Democratic policies relevant to my country)

Thread's just a rant. Post any stories of your own or your opinion i guess.

 No.670071

Trust the vaccine

 No.670080

>I think we all understand that the medical industry has a predisposition to 'treat rather then cure'
And also to treat rather than prevent. I think that's a very important one, both socially and economically. I've heard people describe Eastern medicine like traditional Chinese medicine often as being holistic.

 No.670097

In regards to 'treat rather then cure'
I once watched a video by that rightoid comedian Sam-Hyde and the personal anecdote he gave (though he linked it back to some vulgar Anti-Intellectualism shit) was pretty jarring.
Basically he had some sort of severe back problem where he was in pretty much constant pain whenever he walked and after paying like 1000$+ to visit a doctor (Something involving his burger insurance not covering it) all the doctor told him was that he had two options.
<The doctor could just give him opioids for like a few 100$ a refill where there is a 95% chance he would get addicted and it would begin the long slide down to him od'ing on fent when he couldn't afford the pills anymore.
<Or they could perform this insanely expensive [not covered by insurance] surgery, where there was like a 5% he becomes fully paralyzed, a 20% chance it just dosen't work and his back fuses back into place the wrong way and needs the pain-killers for the rest of his life anyway + He wouldn't be able to bend down properly either.

IIRC the story ended with him going to like a chinese chiropractor lol and the guy literally just basically punched and popped his back back into place for an hour and he felt 95% less pain ever since.

 No.670104

>>670067
the goal of psychiatry is to get you into productive working order again, which is why corporate wellness programs love "innovative" things like fitbits, chatbots and other mental health apps. not to mention that it subscribes to an individualist model of healing based on personal responsibility rather than collective social change.

here's a good critique by an ex-psychotherapist who worked in the field for over a decade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2-p4A7Bl6s

 No.670105

I like to think the diagnoses are largely correct ("middle class" standards of living are relatively new on the timeline of human development) but the solutions are often individualized. Not a novel concept, of course. For most of history you pretty much had to either rely on alcohol or your family and/or community to get past mental issues. Now, only drugs and a therapist remain as options for most Westerners.

>J. G. Ballard reminded us that ‘the suburbs dream of violence. Asleep in their drowsy villas, sheltered by benevolent shopping malls, they wait patiently for the nightmares that will wake them into a more passionate world.
Maybe we are just beginning to realize the negative aspects of offshoring the reality of industrial civilization outside of the West, and forcing Westerners to live in a fantasy land where danger and conflict are merely a concept, more readily found in popular media than outside their doorsteps.

North Korean defectors to South Korea often comment that South Koreans don't talk to their neighbors or even know who they are sometimes. This stands in stark contrast to their childhoods, where townsfolk and villagers would gossip and be in the know about each other's lives and relationships. It's quite easy to see which kind of society will be more resilient in the long run, with better adjusted individuals who are forced to live in reality.

 No.670118

>>670067
Problem is drugs are gatekept so that you need a diagnosis to get them, the mental disorder itself is irrelevant since you essentially have to believe you have it yourself

 No.670123

>>670118
Drugs are a problem, they shoukd absolutely be gatekept

 No.670130

>>670123
Don't want to feel anxious for a moment or need help to focus… Better convince the doc im retarded… or take sketchy black market crap

 No.670132

>>670123
What drugs, retard?

 No.670148

>>670132
Literally all of them, unless you're physically sick you don't need drugs, and yes I'm including alcohol and weed

 No.670152

>>670148
So we should ban pharmacies according to you?

 No.670154

>>670148
Except when u goto a psych it is subjective, they don't scan ur brain and say yep ur fucked…

 No.670155

>>670152
Yes

 No.670156

>>670154
Which is why it's a pseudoscience and none of them should be able to prescribe medicine

 No.670157

>>670155
I admire your commitment to rigor but stop being retarded lad

 No.670159

>>670157
We'll still have pharmacies but a lot less of them and the selection will be way smaller, real people don't need pain pills, they have their minds and their families. The main problem with illness is that it breeds selfoshness in the sick, they need to learn to think beyond themselves and get over the pain without drugs.

 No.670161

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There is no such thing as mental illness. "Mentally ill" people are normal variations in human behavior. Society simply may problematize these behaviors in a way that leads to negative results.

 No.670163

>>670161
Yeah but "normal" is relative

 No.670171

>>670159
Bitch what are you on about?

 No.670172

>>670161
what do you call it when someone's got voices in their head screaming at them to kill everyone and they see things that aren't there

 No.670173

>>670161
Yes and no. There has been increasing shift in accepting more variations as long as it doesn't cause someone distress or endanger them or others or cause them to be dysfunctional. So maybe eventually mental illness will just mean a person's internal and neurological problems that are problems to them.

 No.670177

>>670171
Our current Western industrialized society has an unhealthy relationship with pain, it's either avoided at the cost of everything or its fetishized. People need to learn to live with varying degrees of pain, to manage it without drugs.

 No.670178

>>670172
You don't get that unless you're tripping on Jimsonweed/Datura, in that case you've done it to yourself

 No.670179

>>670178
So you're saying people with paranoid schizophrenia and hallucinations are liars?

 No.670182

>>670179
You described schizophrenia in a way that virtually only happens in movies

 No.670185

>>670182
Do you know that? People have reported those symptoms, are you saying they're making it up?

 No.670186

>>670185
Name them if you're so confident

 No.670189

>>670185
>People have reported those symptoms

It's called hypochondriacs.

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/5/11358268/webmd-accuracy-trustworthy

https://www.brit.co/health-anxiety-webmd/

https://www.thestar.com/life/health_wellness/2018/02/10/hypochondriacs-worst-fears-are-a-google-search-away.html

 No.670195

>>670189
So you think they're lying. You could've just said that.

 No.670198

>>670195
No because a lie is conscious, people with hypochondria or munchausen's genuinely believe what isn't true

 No.670204

>>670198
and youre saying that munchausen syndrome is not a mental illness either

 No.670205

>>670198
Suggestion can be very powerful what does cross cultural research say in contrast to western culture bound symptoms?

 No.670206

>>670204
>Munchausen Syndrome (Factitious disorder imposed on self)
Munchausen syndrome (factitious disorder imposed on self) is when someone tries to get attention and sympathy by falsifying, inducing, and/or exaggerating an illness. They lie about symptoms, sabotage medical tests (like putting blood in their urine), or harm themselves to get the symptoms. Diagnosing and treating Munchausen syndrome is difficult because of the person’s dishonesty.

It is literally made up by the person

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9833-munchausen-syndrome-factitious-disorder-imposed-on-self

 No.670210

>>670206
>Overview - Munchausen's syndrome
Munchausen's syndrome is a psychological disorder where someone pretends to be ill or deliberately produces symptoms of illness in themselves.

>Their main intention is to assume the "sick role" so that people care for them and they are the centre of attention.

>Any practical benefit in pretending to be sick – for example, claiming incapacity benefit – is not the reason for their behaviour.

>Munchausen's syndrome is named after a German aristocrat, Baron Munchausen, who became famous for telling wild, unbelievable tales about his exploits.

Literally completely made up

https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/munchausens-syndrome/overview/

 No.670239

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>>670161
>"Mentally ill" people are normal variations in human behavior.
This is closest to the truth. Psychotic disorders like schizophrenia have been considered neurodevelopmental (like autism) for a while now, and the abnormalities aren't purely psychological (for instance, neurological soft signs)

It's worth stressing that mental illness is only meant to be diagnosed when it actually impairs that person's day-to-day functioning or causing subjective distress.


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