/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Lenses + tear gas = eyes fucked
ID is dumb, it could accelerate procedures and release if your caught but it depends on your country. Maybe you just want to keep quiet and don't want to be recognized until they have to release you because they don't have any evidence

Here are some advice:
If no gas mask, close your soft palate when breathing in a rich tear gas environment, it will diminish the adverse effects.
Always be aware of where cops are, what they are doing, always think about possible exit routes
Use the buddy system, avoid being alone
Be aware of were the medical teams are so you can go to them if hurt or direct them to casualties
If you plan to fight, wear black disposable clothes, neutral shoes bag etc, change your clothes when you exit the protest
If caught, don't talk to the police
You may want to throw back shit the police throws at you, but beware, in some countries the riot police use flashbangs and explosive grenades, don't loose a foot or a hand like an idiot

(off-topic, but I read the Torch rundown on that group @ https://torchantifa.org/inside-patriot-front/ and the rocketchat screencaps are… about what you'd expect. They literally sound like they were recruited from /pol/ boards)

>>671910
Good post.

most protests are dogshit. don't go to any protest that isn't being done by a serious organisation which has a serious post-protest plan of getting the attendees organised for something other than a fucking temporary display of anger and a few hours in a cop kettle. don't go to any demo that doesn't publish its demands in advance, or that the organisers of which have no fucking clue how to implement said demands.

i've been at far too many demos the point of which was to get turnout at the demo, self congratulate, then go home and start organising the next demo, every fucking demo serving as an outlet for popular anger and nothing else, like some kind of a goddamn pressure valve serving porky's interest in the end. fuck performative demos.

always have a plan for what happens after the protest. always have a wider agenda to push beyond the demo. and if the organisers are useless and you have a group of likeminded people with you, T A K E I T O V E R

>>671893
The key to left-wing protesting is to train and learn from mistakes in an iterative process. Serious organizers will run regular weekend-long classes on just how to go through a mock protest from planning to execution to debriefing (literally LARPing in a building… don't knock it… it's how you learn). In other words, you don't plan to have a protest, you plan all the way through the protest including during the post-protest stage to learn from the protest so you can improve next time.

That also includes delegating roles. Who's doing comms/digital? Who's doing the rowdy stuff? Who's doing logistics? Who's the medic? Who is getting in touch with other sympathetic organizations to turn people out? Who's doing jail support?

What do you want your action to do? What do you need to make that happen? How much time, what capacity, what resources do you need to pull this off? What problems do you anticipate? Which of these can you prevent, and what do you need to do that?

What are the risks to your people? These can be physical, legal, financial, social or emotional. You need to prepare people for these risks as individuals, and, if you can, mitigate them as an organization. Physical risk includes being punched and pepper-sprayed but also medical risks if someone is arrested and denied necessary medication (that person is probably better suited for a support role). Legal risks include being arrested or sued. Financial risks include bail, lawyers (see if you can get pro-bono representation and legal observers lined up in advance) or losing your job if you have to stay in jail for awhile. There there are social risks (losing friends because you did something stupid), and emotional (trauma) because something bad happened. So people need to know the risks so they can be mitigated as best as possible.

By the way, just a reminder: the action hasn't started yet.

And before that happens, everyone with a responsibility does a huddle and runs through everything again.

Then once it's over, you debrief each other about what happened, what you learned, what you did well, and what you could better. Then you absorb it and internalize those lessons for the next action.

And this is stuff that righties never, ever do, unless the lesson they decide to learn is "we should never do this stuff because it is scary and hard."

>>671910
>ID is dumb, it could accelerate procedures and release if your caught but it depends on your country. Maybe you just want to keep quiet and don't want to be recognized until they have to release you because they don't have any evidence
Depends on local laws, yes. In many U.S. states it's a crime to refuse to identify yourself if you've been arrested even if you don't end up being charged with anything. I think the best thing to do if you are arrested is to show ID but otherwise remain silent and refuse to answer any questions without the presence of a lawyer.

99% of protests are worthless, just anarkiddies smashing stuff for the sake of it and tons of flag waving. Maybe a speech, sometimes some graffiti and stickering.
Maybe a couple fights with the occasional reactionary which walks by.
nothing much. you'd do much better working on learning a skill tbh.

>>685636
>Learn a skill
<Go get a job you worthless hippie
Liberal detected

>>671893
Protests, especially those demanding democracy and the like, can be infiltrated by glowies and used to their advantage.

The easy way to deal with tear gas.

>>686071
ID cards already come with chips that 10 years ago could already be read from 20 feet away lol

>>671893
>dont wear contacts
>wear contacts
make up your mind jesus

>>685944
I see your bucket action and raise you teargas tennis.

got these from here https://radicaldefence.keybase.pub/

>>686521
also be wary with crimethinc and other anarchist guides since they can contain a ton of useless to straight up harmful moral BS

>>686537
>be wary with crimethinc and other anarchist guides since they can contain a ton of useless to straight up harmful moral BS
good advice, don't listen to the people who are out there protesting all the time, what do they know? gotta listen to communists who march with framed Stalin's portrait.
>rule 1. protect the portrait of Stalin at all times.
>rule 2. there is no rule 2

>>686551
why are you calling me a stalinist
this is just more reason not to trust people as moralizing as you

>>686537
>harmful moral BS
Can you explain what you mean by that

>>686554
>why are you calling me a stalinist
it was a guess

>>686556
just a tendency to latch onto random off-topic ethical stuff which is pretty counterproductive in the context of a riot or whatever

>>686560
go outside

>>686071
Knives are legal to carry in burgerland no spork bonglander.

>>686558
Tell me what is wrong with this. And what does it have to do with morals.

A protest should have a clear target, a clear path to that target, a clearly defined messaged, broadly shared by most at the protest. What this means: you need to know the names of who actually has the power to give you what you want, you need to have a clear picture of exactly what it is you want and how they are going to give it to you, you need everyone to be on board with the concept. The nature of your protest should be concieved of wholly around those criteria. If you don't think your protest can do those things, i.e., it is not winnable with your current resources, then you should probably do something.

This is why contrary to how it works currently, protesting something large, lets say, a war in X country, by marching 10,000 people to your city hall, is probably, regrettably a waste of time. City hall can't give you what you want.

Protesting something local however, small, is probably not a waste of time. For instance, workers going on strike and you joining the picket line, picketing a local slumlord, council, etc If you protest enough local things correctly you can build a solid enough network to start tackling those bigger things.

>>686071
>ALSO DON'T BRING POCKET KNIVES TO A PROTEST, THEY WILL USE IT AGAINST YOU
Complete myth. Although police generally care about your personal belongings, if you defend yourself by claiming that it's for self defense then the police will just greenlight.