Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 01:56:28 No. 674284
How important are Angels in Christian doctrine, they are weird but does it actually matter?
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 01:58:03 No. 674285
>>674280 Most religions had their schizo priests but most people were kind of boring about their practices and such. Always was like this.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 01:58:23 No. 674287
>>674283 Jesus being the one who opens the gates of hell to destroy the world should be on there.
Jesus is coming back for revenge. He did not forgive us.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 02:06:30 No. 674294
>>674284 I don’t know anymore man
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 02:08:23 No. 674298
>>674284 what does this even mean? "how important are angels" "does it even matter"
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 02:12:16 No. 674301
>>674283 So Zeus was real and Jesus fkn killed him? BASED.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 02:32:08 No. 674322
>>674298 Are angels a critical part of christian doctrine?
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 02:38:19 No. 674329
>>674322 what does it mean to be a "critical part of christian doctrine"?
you're making up terms at this point
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 02:51:45 No. 674335
christianity died in the east-west schism and they finally got around to burying its corpse during the reformation
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 02:52:35 No. 674336
>>674335 But why was there even a need for a reformation in the first place. What was the point in turning Christianity into a conventional religion after potential thousands of endless schizo shit
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 02:55:32 No. 674340
Religions are good when they are schizo, everything else is just trash. That's why catholicism is more based than protestantism, catholicism has many pagan elements
>>674335 Based
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 03:11:44 No. 674354
>>674335 The reformation began creating a church that was more true to early Christianity. More strictness doesn't mean more genuinity.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 03:12:14 No. 674355
>>674339 That’s even worse
Now most of Christianity lacks an actual purpose or idea nearly all religions are capable of possessing
And Christianity as a religion legitimately should’ve never existed if it had survived based off its own sense of self preservation from the people that believed in it
Well over 40% of what should be available in modern bibles is either deliberately taken out of the books that are handed out or intentionally destroyed and we’ll never know what this religion is actually like or what it was about
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 03:25:28 No. 674365
>>674336 Protestantism is christianity in decay.
>I see a spectacle so rich in significance and at the same time so wonderfully full of paradox that it should arouse all the gods on Olympus to immortal laughter—Cæsar Borgia as pope!… Am I understood?… Well then, that would have been the sort of triumph that I alone am longing for today—: by it Christianity would have been swept away!—What happened? A German monk, Luther, came to Rome. This monk, with all the vengeful instincts of an unsuccessful priest in him, raised a rebellion against the Renaissance in Rome…. Instead of grasping, with profound thanksgiving, the miracle that had taken place: the conquest of Christianity at its capital—instead of this, his hatred was stimulated by the spectacle. A religious man thinks only of himself.—Luther saw only the depravity of the papacy at the very moment when the oppo site was becoming apparent: the old corruption, the peccatum originale, Christianity itself, no longer occupied the papal chair! Instead there was life! Instead there was the triumph of life! Instead there was a great yea to all lofty, beautiful and daring things!… And Luther restored the church: he attacked it…. The Renaissance—an event without meaning, a great futility!—Ah, these Germans, what they have not cost us! Futility—that has always been the work of the Germans. How could the newly formed Bourgeoise exit without this new religion? Protestantism is the religious equivalent of return to monke, but instead of monke is judaism in a secular form, devoid of sacred, superstito, theology without a god.
>Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Killing the sacred (ritual waste) thus creating the philistine Bourgeoise who's only lives for accumulation.
Protestantism is Capitalism. Weber was wrong but he was unto something. Bataille in theory of religion explains much better
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:03:41 No. 674405
>>674280 >Jesus is literally an Ethiopian trans man and that’s openly depicted in versions of his art prior to the renaissance before people knew what transgenderism even was. Lmao where?
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:19:57 No. 674422
>>674405 It’s real
Also 3:48
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:29:04 No. 674428
>>674422 >>674423 I mean the transexual part also it doesn't say anything about being black.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:32:35 No. 674433
>>674428 He was born a woman and it states that he got a Y chromosome from god
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:35:25 No. 674438
>>674433 yeah but where bro. I'm confused now spoon feed me. I'm into the more esoteric shit in Christianity and other religion and I like to see weird shit that is not there… but this one i never heard before
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:37:59 No. 674442
>>674280 I also think people don't realize how incredibly strange the prophetic books are. Hardly any prophetic writings in the Bible are like prophesy-cliches in movies - where they have a vague statement needing to be "fulfilled" in the distant future. Instead of vague statements, it's hundreds and hundreds of words explicitly describing how morally depraved Israel and the world are. Explicitly describing how God will punish and purge Israel by rising up the Assyrians and Babylonians to besiege, starve, and kill them. It goes into great detail describing how corpses will rot in the streets, how women will be raped, how people will be tortured and mutilated - mockingly sometimes.
And the Assyrian and Babylonian conquests did happen. The genesis stories may be mythical, but thousands of years ago, the millions of people in the two nations of Israel and Judah experienced unimaginable horror by the conquest of the ancient empires. The form of expresssion directly from those experiences makes up over half of the old testament, I would argue.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:38:07 No. 674443
>>674438 Neither does it to me but there’s a lot of debate within the Christian community about this especially within orthodoxy and the esoterics
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:43:01 No. 674448
>>674442 There’s something beautiful about that
Christian prophecies feel a lot closer to weather forecasting than they do to stories you see in other religions
You know shits about to fucking die in flames and you know there’s no way to recover from it but every time shit falls the world continues and people just have to adapt to new conditions. It’s strange
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:46:30 No. 674454
>>674442 >>674448 Islam has nothing similar? Doesn't every religion have this weird dark element to it? I'm sorry i'm just starting with religion
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:48:33 No. 674457
>>674448 In a sense
Those phrophocies are realistic to how the world actually works and how people deal with real tragedies
War is still vastly different prior to the world wars they last longer they’re more potentially lethal and the weapons available can do far more damage than the ones before
Covid malaria hiv Ebola the plague and all other diseases will never be truly eradicated just suppressed until they become irrelevant to most peoples lives
The world hasn’t and likely won’t recover from the 2008 crash ever but since then humans have had to work harder than ever before if it means at least living with the after effects of low wages, constant economic shocks and rising expectations
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:49:10 No. 674459
>>674454 Nah man
It really is just a Christian thing
The only other religions that do this are batshit ancient pagan ones
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:57:51 No. 674469
>>674280 That angels art look cool.
>Jesus is literally an Ethiopian trans man and that’s openly depicted in versions of his art prior to the renaissance before people knew what transgenderism even was. Are you wrong with the Ethiopian part? He's a Palestinian, a person from the Levant.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 04:59:47 No. 674473
>>674469 At this point I’m not sure where he’s from anymore
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 05:01:38 No. 674475
>>674454 The Quran in my over-simplification is basically a few lengthy pious lectures for Mohamed's followers about how great God is. While the Bible is has a much wider variety of content. With national myths, historic records, poetry, music, philosophy, and personal letters.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 05:06:12 No. 674478
>>674475 >>674459 And this without even devolving into rites which are kind of batshit too.
Islam has only sufism which could be considered cool/batshit
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 05:18:14 No. 674487
>>674335 There's no shortage of weird stuff in post-reformation Catholicism. The Discalced Carmelites are all about bizarre mystical stuff.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 05:28:36 No. 674499
>>674475 >With national myths, historic records, poetry, music, philosophy, and personal letters. That's not how it works. You can't take both the Old Testament and the New Testament together as well as their larger surrounding institutional context, and then take the Quran by itself. Literally a giant chunk of Islam is what you metioned, and that's coming from a formally devout Catholic.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 05:29:31 No. 674503
>>674499 Please develop deeper. I'm curious
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 13:31:53 No. 674850
>>674503 There really isn't anything deeper to say then that the whole development of both the Shia and Sunni branches has involved national myths and historic records about who was to succeed Muhammad and the actions of notable individuals before and after his departure, poetry and music regarding these events, philosophical and theological debates regarding the exact will of Allah and to what extent that will can be understood (as well as the legitimacy/illegitimacy of the certain Hadiths), and interpretations of the personal letters of Muhammads early followers.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 14:25:03 No. 674939
>Angels do not look anything like what middle age era art and other angels depicted in other religions look like but rather hyper abstract half synthetic half mechanical figures twisting in ways that defy modern information on physics and geometry, and whatever god in this religion is presented as isn’t thought of as some absolute figure of love goodness or any sense of idea but rather as a tyrannical monster that openly support mass killings to fit whatever is defined as holy based off multiple authors.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 14:34:11 No. 674951
>>674284 >important are Angels in Christian doctrine Angels were popularized not by jewish folk tales byt from pre christian paganism,
Neo platonism was the first to introduce the typical personal angel vs evil rogue angel
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 16:18:09 No. 675134
>>674475 <While the Bible is has a much wider variety of content. With national myths, historic records, poetry, music, philosophy, and personal letters. Which bible the Prot one everyone
generally read, or the Cath one priests read from on Sundays w/ includes the Septuagint? Never forget: Prots are the OG Trots
, SPLITTERS !
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 17:14:49 No. 675268
Any Bible nerds know what's going on in genesis? Why does the story repeat itself and who is God referring to in 3:22
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 17:20:12 No. 675274
How is this related to /leftypol/ again?
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 17:31:52 No. 675297
is marxism just secularized version of this, because after all it did draw from hegel
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 17:41:48 No. 675319
>>675134 Actually the OG Splitters were the Catholics, the Great Schism of 1054 was caused the Western and Eastern Churches because the Bishop of Rome wanted to be more important and making Rome the center of Catholicism because it was so important. Because the Western Catholic Church hated the ways the Eastern Orthodox Byzantines did their traditions.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 18:51:05 No. 675450
>>675297 Hegel identified as a devout Lutheran who attributed the resurgence of German philosophy to the protestant reformation.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/1830/tercentenary.htm Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 19:08:05 No. 675481
>>674850 I also figured you just meant that Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Modern Christianity is at the very least the whole Bible, and while Islam has its own holy book it is still connected to the old texts. Just seems like arbitrary shit flinging to say Christianity is a bigger cultural package or something. They’re all riffing off of the one god and his whole cultural history.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 19:43:31 No. 675558
>>674280 Christianity is an idolatrous load of bs
worshipping a human being? Why? Cause he cured some lepers and got some people at a wedding drunk? (supposedly)
The truth is that the historical Jesus was just one of many Jewish messiah figures during second temple. Most of his 'miracles' were stolen from Dionysus and other deities that Galileeans were semi-familiar with.
Anyway, Judaism and Islam aren't any better, as they both worship the same crapshoot "one true God" at least Christians spice it up a bit with saints, the mysterious "trinity" and whatnot.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 19:45:18 No. 675566
>>675319 duh cause their traditions suck crap
half of the saints are just pagan gods were syncretized to be christian. the old roman faith never died, it just got renamed.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 19:49:52 No. 675588
>>675566 And that's a good thing.
Anonymous 2022-01-05 (Wed) 22:36:31 No. 676228
>>676023 Smells, bells, and pointless spectacles.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 01:56:00 No. 676892
>>676228 Ritualized waste it he point of religion
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 01:56:26 No. 676893
>>676892 it's the point*
Holy fuck
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:08:32 No. 676926
>>674280 This seems like the thread that will draw people with the answers I need.
What the fuck is the deal with Kabbalah? Original Jewish, Christian, Islamic, weird 19th-century esoteric variety idgaf.
I want to understand it.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:25:34 No. 676970
>>675268 After eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, humans were getting too powerful. Yaweh and his pantheon were worried that humans would try to rise up against them, in the same way the renegade Watchers did, and likely in the way he and his generation of gods did to their predecessors. This predecessor would of course be the unnamed, primordial-generation god that controlled the seamonster Leviathan, like Yam did in the Ugaritic Baal cycle with Lotan, Apsu did with Tiamat, Zeus did with Typhon, etc. There are also references in the bible to Yahweh splitting the Leviathan up and making the world out of them; there’s one in Psalms somewhere, I can’t seem to find the rest.
The different versions are in there because they pertain to different things - the first is the elohim
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:27:25 No. 676977
>>676970 *elohiim making the cosmos, the second focuses more on Yahweh making humans.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:32:36 No. 676990
Reading this thread is like reading a schizos mind
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:39:06 No. 677006
>>676990 Fuck me the more I look into it the more I think "damn and I thought Marxist 'revisionism or not' was autistic." At least you can look at political ideas on their own.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:42:06 No. 677012
>>676970 Bro why didn't they teach this version in school this sound way more interesting than the logically inconsistent bs that modern Protestantism is
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:29:46 No. 677108
>>674284 They are crucial. Angels are basically bureaucrats who execute God's orders. Instrumentalism is a big component of Christian theology. Priests have a similar role.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:46:55 No. 677139
>>677108 I would compare it more directly to the feudal structure than just the church structure. For instance, God is the king, the archangels are the clergy, and the angels are the nobles. Archangels normally don't concern themselves with affairs outside of their specific duties, they delegate much to low rank and file angels.
Angels are like gods themselves, but are subservient to their master in the kingdom of heaven. Despite this, many traditions differ completely in their interpretation of angels. Some believe there are 7 archangels, some only 3, some say that 4 control the seasons, some say God is an archangel himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Archangels >pic unrelated, mosaic in Ravenna of Jesus being baptized with an anthropomorphic God of the river Jordan Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:47:39 No. 677141
Literally most religions are watered-down versions of Zoroastrianism
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:51:02 No. 677152
>>677147 There have been many high autism score christians before us who employed more or less the same approach you describe in that cult. You can't stop it as long as Christianity is a force in the world.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:54:04 No. 677161
>>677147 >interprets events in the Bible as symbolic <scientific I don't get it, are they trying to add up all the dates in the Bible to determine Christ's actual birthdate or something?
Shit like the earth is only 6000 years old because every "god" day in Genesis was actually 1000 years
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:00:32 No. 677174
>>677152 I'd unironically prefer if he/she was into some weird freaky religion. This shit is so fucking boring. I'm not christian but I like the schizo shit involved, i took some of the lesson to see and they took out all the interesting shit it's crazy. Even revelation becomes some boring normie stuff.
It's such a coca cola version of christianity, jesus loves always smile and sing these trashy pop songs than instead of uyghuring they say i love jesus.
>>677161 Even more shitty than that, "scientific" in the sense that god and the events respect all phyisical laws even an average joe know about.
Like i said with Joshua, the sun cannot stop as it doesn't move and the earth cannot stop otherwise we die.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:04:41 No. 677180
>>677174 I don't see a problem with interpreting the Bible like that, watch the video I previously linked. Doesn't sound that crazy to me tbh
Obviously Jesus never walked on water, so symbolic interpretation of it is the only option you have. It would be weirder if they actually believed the sun stopped or Jesus turned his body into bread.
Can you go deeper into the cult aspect? Anything financial control or thought control? Sleep deprivation?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:08:05 No. 677184
>>677147 Does the cult actually compel her to give money or dedicate her body to cult leader?
Is this a gateway to follow biblic teaching to the letter?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:11:20 No. 677191
>>677180 I didn't want to be too explicit. Obviously it's just a boring interpretation of the bible for what i told. But the cult leader is a convicted rapist who offered his dick in exchange of enternal forgivness numerous times. Literally the whole interpretation of the bible in a symbolical way leads to him being the second coming and you should listen to him speaking at whatever hour he broadcasts.
It's the sexual and social deprivation the real scary shit. Basically you are not even allowed to sit at same table with the opposite sex or even talk.
The financial aspect is more muted, you should buy his merch. This person is scared of saying i love you because it means cheating on god, jesus and this cult guy.
Obviously if wanna marry you should strictly do it inside this cult and you have to reach spiritual maturity first.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:12:48 No. 677193
>>677184 Money it's mostly merch, also the tenth
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:17:41 No. 677209
>>677191 oh yeah, sounds like a cult to me. A common practice of cults to lure in new members is "love bombing", where they'll shower new members with lots of praise and attention to get them hooked.
This is how they prey on the weak willed and lonely members of society, who are often the most vulnerable and open to manipulation. It's a sick business, I would probably start paying more attention your friend and hanging out with them, remind them the cult isn't their only avenue for that stuff.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:25:46 No. 677227
>>677209 >A common practice of cults to lure in new members is "love bombing", where they'll shower new members with lots of praise and attention to get them hooked. Pfff, you don't know the half. They have people everywhere who are part of this shit, they always get them discount, a house if they need, a translator at the hospital… shit is spooky
>hanging out with them, remind them the cult isn't their only avenue for that stuff. I love bombed this person too in everyway possible, i got her/him to break the basic rule of sexual astinence and love… it's the emotional distance that kills me. The fact that this person wouldn't do half of it for me because they have "god" ecc. The fact that to get this person to admit he/she enjoys sex is nearly a mission impossible. That sometimes is hard for her/him to say i love you.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:02:51 No. 679305
>>677141 Well duh not everyone has an incest fetish
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