Kazakhstan Thread 3.0 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 01:45:24 No. 676857 [View All]
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>>>/leftypol_archive/489758 >>>/leftypol_archive/490907 >Protests started for gas prices raise two days ago >Rapidly became widespread >Government resigned few hours ago <Protestors started storming palaces of government and institutions all around the country >CSTO called in, effect unclear yet >no response yet from the west Old thread full, continue discussion here
560 posts and 98 image replies omitted. Click reply to view. Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:03:46 No. 678219
>>677300 >socialist metaphysics LMAO
>>677649 Based. Assuming dogmatic retards need to check themselves and refrain from jumping to conclusions. Materialist analysis must be upheld.
>>677848 Great post.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:05:09 No. 678220
>>678211 Here's hoping. At least they can use the unrest as a lesson in class consciousness for the Kazahkstan working class.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:08:58 No. 678226
>>678222 >pause at the end to slide down the hill a bit lmao how whimsical
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:09:56 No. 678227
>>677787 No the point is that this vulgar position that if it's muh workers doing it, it must automatically be good and you don't have to take anything else into account.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:10:40 No. 678228
>>678219 China is also imperialist, in fact they will be the new imperialist superpower that needs to be beaten back by the international proletariat unless they return to a socialist line of development and reject national chauvinism
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:13:26 No. 678235
>>678229 (you): *supports Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan*
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:18:18 No. 678242
>>678228 In current conditions, China is incapable of being imperialist. The United States absorbed the European imperialist apparatus that was left in tatters after the second World War creating a single, super-imperialist entity which basically holds a monopoly on imperialism. All the major imperialist institutions are now under one umbrella and international law basically only allows for US-NATO imperialism. Wannabe imperialist institutions cannot grow because they're muscled out by US-NATO and cannot be enforced because they'd come into conflict with US-NATO and would immediately lose, and lose in such a way that would be several times worse than whatever they were trying to gain by enforcing their imperialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:19:24 No. 678243
>>678211 Check this out comrade, courtesy of based news anon: Statement by the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan on the situation in the country
In a statement about the large-scale mobilizations and protests in the country, the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan calls for international solidarity to the demonstrators and demands the withdrawal of troops from the cities, the resignation of all Nazarbayev officials, the release of all political prisoners and detainees, the legalization of the Communist Party and trade unions, as well as the nationalization of Kazakhstan's entire extractive and large-scale industry.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/01/statement-by-socialist-movement-of-kazakhstan-on-the-situation-in-the-country.html https://archive.is/WOmYK Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:19:45 No. 678245
>>678228 Communist countries cant be imperialist
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:19:45 No. 678246
Anti imperialist UK stands in solidarity against violent terrorist rioters challenging the Kazakhstan revolutionary government.
We must follow the party line and call for the Russian troops to put down these hooligans and restore LAW AND ORDER!
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1479169654551724039?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:21:03 No. 678249
>>678242 Imperialism does not require gunboat diplomacy. China can just outbid the west for market share in the comprador regimes, as they are doing now.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:21:33 No. 678251
>>678245 I agree. They are not communist or socialist.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:22:15 No. 678253
>>678250 Not true. Example: France in Africa.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:22:18 No. 678254
>>678245 >China <Communist Not even the CPC themselves says they are communist, they say they are in the early stages of socialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:26:12 No. 678262
>>678243 Based.
I will say it again:
I WANT TO BELIEVE!
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:26:13 No. 678263
>>678249 >comprador regimes I don't see the Chinese overthrowing governments. Nor do I see their version of the NED.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:27:13 No. 678267
>>678263 I haven't see it either but they do utilize and fund comprador regimes like in the Philippines
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:28:25 No. 678270
>>678263 > they do utilize and fund comprador regimes The Philippines is funded by China? Really?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:29:53 No. 678272
>>678253 France is a part of NATO, the American imperialist bloc.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:31:53 No. 678277
>>678270 They also sell arms to India. Actually they make deals or outright collaborate with many states that are killing maoists.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:33:30 No. 678281
>>678274 Kautsky lived before WWII. If he said something like that, it was wrong for the time he lived in, but came true after WWII. Things change, you see. It's wrong to read theory like the Bible and assume that imperialism is and will always be like how Lenin described it in 1917.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:35:29 No. 678284
>>678281 Just like it's wrong to assume that the conditions which predominates in the immediate postwar conditions apply today.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:37:32 No. 678287
>>677876 >give citizenship (and therefore rights) to migrant laborers from Kazakhstan Yeah, not gonna happen
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:38:24 No. 678290
>>678284 The only significant thing that changed after the postwar period is the collapse of the USSR, which massively strengthened the position of the US-NATO imperialist bloc. US-NATO is *stronger* and *more hegemonic* than it was in the postwar period.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:40:54 No. 678294
>>677881 Lenin had a party, these guys have a book club.
What they're saying in the post is that they don't currently have an organization sufficient to do shit about the protests one way or another.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:53:48 No. 678304
China
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:59:53 No. 678309
where is the riot kino
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:01:12 No. 678311
>>678154 >Why can’t burgers do this? Something something the poor something something something temporarily embarrassed gorillionaires…
t. Steinbeck
maybe Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:02:00 No. 678314
"The US holds a monopoly on imperialism">Israel has entered the chat >Saudi Arabia has entered the chat >Turkey has entered the chat >Iran has entered the chat
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:03:12 No. 678316
>>678314 Iran is not on the same level as first three.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:08:49 No. 678331
>>678328 I'm saying it's not good to make that equivalency.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:12:20 No. 678335
>>678156 Things are shaky right now so they are playing it safe, at least with their families.
But it shows that this is more than the sunday protest, and more than some gilets jaunes.
what is the current info on the bloc intervention?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:18:55 No. 678348
>>678202 Meanwhile, which communist party is not supporting it? That's right, CPUSA lmao.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:32:34 No. 678370
Unlock the fourth thread uyghur jannies
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:34:13 No. 678378
>>678348 right now the KKE is the only major ML party officialy supporting this i think the other parties are still debating
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:39:05 No. 678385
>>678378 when I said not supporting I mean supporting the Kazakhstan government, sorry
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