Kazakhstan Thread 3.0 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 01:45:24 No. 676857 [Last 50 Posts]
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>>>/leftypol_archive/489758 >>>/leftypol_archive/490907 >Protests started for gas prices raise two days ago >Rapidly became widespread >Government resigned few hours ago <Protestors started storming palaces of government and institutions all around the country >CSTO called in, effect unclear yet >no response yet from the west Old thread full, continue discussion here
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 01:57:47 No. 676897
>>676894 Shay is hilarious and you're just mad because you will never frot against her feminine penis
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 01:58:14 No. 676899
>>676889 Do Chavistas really hate anarchists? I'm not from there and don't speak spanish so I don't know
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 01:58:38 No. 676900
>>676887 >887 you almost did it again my boy
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 01:59:25 No. 676903
>>676901 when it's coming from the cia? yeah ok
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:01:46 No. 676908
Fizzle
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:02:01 No. 676909
>>676906 Swolephin is cool, he looks like an alien species in a Jack Vance novel
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:03:49 No. 676914
>>676899 I dont think actual Chavistas give a shit, I'm talking along the lines of western MLs with a crude and vulgar understanding of Marxism wherein their desperation to be contrarian leads to them uncritically supporting every country they think America isn't friends with.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:09:51 No. 676931
The Russian military will also be in the peacekeeping contingent sent to Kazakhstan by the Collective Security Council.
As we learned, a special forces company of the 76th Airborne Division, as well as a company of the 45th Airborne Special Forces Brigade, received the command from Russia. Several more special forces brigades are on high alert.
The address of the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan appeared on the official website of the President of Russia,
https://t.me/rentv_news/29453 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:13:56 No. 676941
>>676931 To clarify, the airborne divisions are going in because the rest of the military is caught flat-footed. They will secure logistically important infrastructure to allow the real military forces to enter the country without issue.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:14:04 No. 676942
>>676938
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:14:19 No. 676943
>>676901 that's basically all correct
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:14:56 No. 676944
>>676941 Yep, also this:
>Foreign investments and business of foreign companies will be protected in Kazakhstan, - Russian Foreign Ministry says https://t.me/rian_ru/137944 Anonymous ## Mod 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:15:14 No. 676945
Reminder to keep off-topic/derailing shitposts to a minimum lest your post gets deleted or you get banned
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:15:37 No. 676946
>Even though Israel’s relationship with Kazakhstan has become noticeably closer since Netanyahu began his second stint as Israeli prime minister in 2009, Kazakhstan has been the lynchpin of Israel’s Central Asia strategy since the early 1990s. Israel is Kazakhstan’s fifth largest Asian trade partner, and imports over $1.4 billion worth of goods from Kazakhstan each year. https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/the-israel-kazakhstan-partnership/ Kazakhstan? Don't you mean, minor Zionist Occupied East Asia?? Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:16:20 No. 676947
>>676942 Wow they must unnecessarily kill a lot of people
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:13:27 No. 676948
>>676931 What good are specops at peace keeping tho. Do they form the police or take down insurgent cells?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:17:21 No. 676949
>>676947 My uygha have you even read about Beslan or the theater siege
Anonymous ## Mod 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:17:38 No. 676951
>>676948 >>676942 sorry I accidentally moved this post
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:17:52 No. 676954
>>676947 Something something Beslan siege
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:20:36 No. 676958
Pretty obviously an American move with one or more of the major Kazak clans to pre-position themselves prior to talks with Russia
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:24:27 No. 676965
>>676958 Who even are the Kazakh clans?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:25:09 No. 676968
>>676963 >4. Condemnation of Russian aggression in Ukraine >5. Crimea is Ukraine
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:25:53 No. 676972
>>676963 >according to this pol thread
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:26:38 No. 676975
>>676968 >>676963 This is a fake 4chan post you absolute retard
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:27:51 No. 676979
>>676965 Kazakhstan is still very much a "tribal" society in that the oligarchs are all family based and tied together. A ton of the central asian and southern caucus post Soviet states devolved into this.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:28:33 No. 676981
>>676973 >>676976 How stupid are you guys. It's a 4chan troll making shit up. They linked a random article that says nothing of what they wrote.
Smarten up
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:30:08 No. 676983
>>676981 And the sad part is it will get 300+ replies on /Pol/ and they will all believe it.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:30:44 No. 676985
>>676963 >privatisation of all banks and industry
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:31:34 No. 676988
>>676981 I was calling the /pol/ post glow
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:32:55 No. 676991
>>676963
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:33:28 No. 676992
>>676979 I know that was true of Tajikistan I just didn't know it applied that far north
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:33:40 No. 676995
>>676983 to be fair most of those replies are bots
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:36:45 No. 677000
>>676867 Ah so they're modern revisionists. Makes more geopolitical sense now. Putin/Xi simps can relax, this is actually going in your fucking favor (you goddamn hysterical illiterates)
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:37:34 No. 677003
>>676877 >KAZAKHSTAN HAS BEEN FUNDING THE EAST TURKESTAN INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT UNDER NUR OTAN Sauce?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:38:33 No. 677005
>>676889 >Pretty sure they [Venezuelan Bolivarians] only shoutout Trotsky due to their hateboner for anarchists Shut the fuck up and read a book you autistic IDpol idiot.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:40:10 No. 677009
>>676996 So according to this Kazakh communist it is a spontaneous uprising from the workers and western liberal media will support it just to create a rift inbetween the CSTO countries, but just ignore them. It is the revolutionary proletariat that must take charge, although it is lacking and disorganized today?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:41:11 No. 677010
>>676997 This is probably literally a CIA gayop
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:41:27 No. 677011
>>676963
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:43:27 No. 677013
>>677011 Sounds based as fuck.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:43:56 No. 677017
>>676976 I lost the other glowie webm. Post it fam.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:45:11 No. 677019
>>677011 So looking at number 7 might be because state owned companies are partially owned by the oligarchs and the subsidies go to their pockets? Note it
doesnt say privaisation, just end of subsidies. Still slightly confused but yeah.
Also I am trying to look up kazakh recycling policy but all the kazakh websites are down due to the internet ban lamo
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:45:49 No. 677022
>>677011 >abolition of all subsidies for nation industries WTF are the demands in service of killing the national industry? lmao
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:45:59 No. 677024
>>676996 Was just gonna post this
EVERYONE ITT READ THIS Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:46:17 No. 677025
>>677022 See:
>>677019 Iit sounds weird but yeah.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:46:21 No. 677026
>>677019 I mean, to put an example, the oil company is 50% owned by western companies, and subsidies always means the state giving payment to companies for free.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:46:32 No. 677027
>>677022 they are owned by oligarchs, so it likely goes into kickbacks for them
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:47:19 No. 677028
A working class movement against a government making neoliberal reforms in Kazakhstan is called a color revolution and we get Russian intervention cheered on by contrarian propagandists masquerading as 'leftist' who it so happens that all the reporters leading the charge of this information worked for RT or other Russian media in some capacity.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:48:08 No. 677030
>>677027 Well, fuck gorby and as Galeano said fuck the apparatchiknicks who changed their party cards for green bills
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:48:21 No. 677031
>>677026 makes sense, and that is money taken by taxes from proles
prole wages->"national industry"->ogliarchs that actually own it
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:48:42 No. 677032
>>677028 you ever think the west could take advantage of any uprising just to manufacture a pretext for interference regardless?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:48:50 No. 677033
>>677030 socialism for me but not for thee
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:49:56 No. 677035
>>677034 >T. Hasn't seen the rest of the thread
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:50:13 No. 677037
>>677034
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:50:18 No. 677038
>>677034 >why haven't you instantly read like 20 paragraphs
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:51:20 No. 677042
>>677021 It's not there unfortunately.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:52:45 No. 677045
>>677042 Oh I thought there would be some under the "glowie" tag
Maybe it's just pics then
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:53:22 No. 677049
>>677011 1)Based
2) Based
3)Gigabased and Stalinpilled
4) Already happened
5) Potentially based
6) EXTRA based
7) Ultra cringe
8) ???
9) INSANELY BASED
10) Based
11) Again based
12) Not gonna happen anyways.
Overall, 7.75/10
Would seriously consider voting for such a party in my own country.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:53:45 No. 677050
>>677044 both these people are referring to a different post/webm than that
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:55:34 No. 677053
>>677049 7 is to stop subsidizing enterprises tho.
Their national state companies have major parts of them being owned by private (and even foreign) enterprises, they refer to that.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:57:31 No. 677057
>>677011 >3. lowering the retirement age to 58/60 years (I assume m/f) f/m much more likely
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:58:20 No. 677061
>>677011 it says "subsidiaries" of the national companies, not "subsidies"
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 02:58:45 No. 677064
>>677057 Why would it be? I'm assuming it would be the other way because women tend to live longer.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:00:04 No. 677068
>>677064 >Why would it be? I'm assuming it would be the other way because women tend to live longer. Men are born to work.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:02:08 No. 677072
>>677062 Rightful Kazakh clay.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:03:03 No. 677073
>>677011 all of it is based except the recycling is ambiguous and why get rid of national subsidies?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:03:30 No. 677074
>>677000 like i said in the last thread, petty bourgeois nonsense
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:03:49 No. 677076
>>677068 >>In China currently, the retirement age for men is 60 WTF. Why is it so low? I know 70 y/o technicians where I work.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:05:10 No. 677078
>>677064 They raise kids/manage the home, which counts as work along with their white/blue collar jobs
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:05:49 No. 677079
>>677009 the proletariat is always disorganized in the early days of a movement, there's never an ideal situation you can wait on, revolutionaries have to do with the cards they are dealt with
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:06:02 No. 677080
>>677064 It's a standard thing in Eastern Europe. I would be surprised if it's the other way in Western Europe tbh.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:12:46 No. 677086
>>677076 So you can enjoy life while your body is still healthy. The retirement age is lower for women because of the stress from childbirth.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:13:21 No. 677087
>>677053 Yeah i know but if they do that without nationalizing the private shares of State corps they'd essentially bankrupt them.
>>677062 One of my EU4 all times favorite is Transoxiana, which is modern day Turkmenistan.
Can get strong pretty fast under the right circumstances.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:14:45 No. 677089
>>676869 It would be funny to see a trot country collapse.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:15:28 No. 677090
>>677086 >>677078 What if neither the man or woman have kids? Does it change the retirement age?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:16:48 No. 677093
>>677090 Nope still same retirement age.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:17:21 No. 677094
>>677090 Good question. I think another thing to consider is do mem and women suffer from the same physical feeblessness that would force them to stop working at an advanced age?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:18:36 No. 677097
>>677087 Hordes were always busted.
For me, it's going Coptic Kongo tribal government into horde and razing everything but gold provinces
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:18:51 No. 677099
>>677090 No, there's no inspectors following you around and checking if you help raise the next generation. But in general women perform unpaid labour throughout their life. That's common knowledge, no?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:23:19 No. 677103
>>677101 (me)
don't fall for pseuds "communists" that claim to be communists, yet never achieved shit through political discourse and ended up not only forced to illegalization but also crushed by neo-nazis.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:26:09 No. 677105
>>677101 >>677103 There are not enough reliable information to make a judgement of the protests. Like you said, every source must be investigated before jumping to conclusions. However, there is no need to dismiss news without investigation either. Stay alert.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:27:22 No. 677106
>>677101 >>677103 Ok the Ukrainian communists made a mistake and things turned against them. Doesn't mean anything, it's a totally different situation in Kazakhstan, nationally and geopolitically. And relevant communist orgs were already deemed illegal by the government so you could say the fascists are already in power.
Anyway I'm just gonna watch Blumenthal be real quiet about Kazakshan for fear of loosing his RT job.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:33:58 No. 677110
>>677106 >>677105 I have few hopes unless I see real protestors waving the socialist/communist flag. Everything else, to me, is euromaidan 2.0
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:37:30 No. 677114
>>677110 It's not one or the other, stop fedjacketing/hysterics
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:45:19 No. 677132
>Huge ass border with Russia <For some reason Russia isn't even in the top 3 markets of Kazakh export which are China Italy and the Netherlands
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:48:32 No. 677146
>>677132 But the funniest shit is that their debt to Gdp ratio is 27,6%, meaning that all this gas prices hike shit which started everything in the first place was ENTIRELY POINTLESS AND AVOIDABLE.
At this point I wouldn't exclude that someone hiked gas prices on purpose to provoke popular anger from the beginning, as schizo as it may sound.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:50:51 No. 677151
Ben Norton is right: if Radio Free Europe and Roman Protasevich are strongly supporting these protests, they glow hard as fuck, even if there is genuine dissidence, it is sus as fuck
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:54:03 No. 677160
Bank bros we got too cocky
https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1478936177340264451?s=20 All Kazakhstani financial institutions have suspended their activities
Press Secretary of the National Bank Ramazanov: financial organizations of Kazakhstan have suspended their activities
"The Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan for the Regulation and Development of the Financial Market and the National Bank of Kazakhstan, taking into account the conduct of counter-terrorism operations by law enforcement agencies and taking into account temporary disruptions in the Internet, .. report a temporary suspension of the activities of all financial organizations," Ramazanov said
MOSCOW, January 6 - RIA Novosti. All financial organizations in Kazakhstan have suspended their activities against the backdrop of a counter-terrorist operation and disruptions in the Internet, the Khabar 24 TV channel reports with reference to the press secretary of the National Bank Olzhas Ramazanov .
He noted that this measure is also aimed at protecting the health and life of employees and clients of financial institutions.
Mass protests in Kazakhstan began in the early days of 2022. Then the residents of the cities of Zhanaozen and Aktau in the Mangistau region - an oil-producing region in the west of the country - opposed a two-fold increase in prices for liquefied petroleum gas, then the protests spread to other cities. In Alma-Ata , the old capital of the republic, on January 4 and 5, clashes with security forces occurred, the police used gas and stun grenades. Throughout Kazakhstan, the Internet was turned off, and the broadcasting of a number of TV channels was temporarily stopped.
On January 5, Tokayev introduced a state of emergency for two weeks in the Mangistau and Almaty regions , as well as in Alma-Ata and Nur-Sultan . This regime provides, in particular, a curfew from 23.00 to 7.00, a ban on holding mass events, strikes and the sale of weapons, as well as strengthening the protection of especially important facilities. On the same day, the state of emergency - also until January 19 - was extended to the entire territory of Kazakhstan.
On the morning of January 5, Tokayev dismissed the government and headed the republic’s Security Council, removing the first head of state, Nursultan Nazarbayev , from this post . In addition, the President stressed that the authorities will act as tough as possible in relation to the offenders, and promised in the near future "to come out with a new package of proposals."
On the night of January 6, Tokayev held the first meeting of the Security Council under his leadership, at which he called the situation in Kazakhstan "an undermining of the integrity of the state" and said that he had asked the CSTO for help "in overcoming the terrorist threat." On the same night, the CSTO Collective Security Council decided to send collective peacekeeping forces to Kazakhstan in connection with Tokayev's appeal. The force, it was reported, will be sent for a limited time period with the aim of stabilizing and normalizing the situation in that country.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:54:26 No. 677162
>>677151 Well, there went my small few hopes of something good.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:55:40 No. 677163
>>677151 see
>>676996 There is genuine reason for these protests.
Western glowies will use it as an opportunity to whine about CSTO but ignore them. They also want the protests quashed because the protestors were demanding better wages at American owned factories. They will complain publically and at the same time support the intervention secretly.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-06 (Thu) 03:59:02 No. 677171
>>677151 It sure is suspicious that not only does the CIA hope that the protests are liberal so they can hurt BRI and russia, but russia wants the protests to be liberal as an excuse to crack down on them. Everybody seems to want the protestors to be liberal so that they can justify attacking or defending them.
It's blackpilling when you consider that the banned communist party of kazakhstan probably heavily supports these protests, but still gets called a "glow op" by braindead westerners and russiatoday watchers alike.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:00:41 No. 677175
>>677005 see
>>676914 I'm not talking about people that are actually from Venezuela
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:01:19 No. 677176
>>677171 If we have material proofs of protasavich supporting this, if we already saw the ruomaidan, we are sus
Communists require to organize so they can get public support from everywhere.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:02:17 No. 677177
>>677151 This whole happening is sus from the beginning.
Why would they hike gas prices (a classic austerity measure) when they got nearly no debt?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:07:56 No. 677182
>>677177 lol are you saying this is a 5D inter-dimensional chess a plan by Tokayev and KPRF to reinstate the Kazakhstan Socialist Republic?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:08:50 No. 677185
>>677177 I know right, governments are completely incapable of doing stupid things on their own. Surely this is a plot by George Soros
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:09:16 No. 677186
>>677183 it's funny how many people here have more in common with the political thought of Alex Jones than Lenin or Marx
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:09:23 No. 677187
Ben Norton just post straight up lies to be a mouth piece for Putin and so does the rest of his cadre of friends. Used to respect these people but days like this their agenda becomes so clear.
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/556991/kazakhstan-opposition-party-calls-for-protests-dec-16-gatherings-possible-in-major-cities (nothing to do with usa)
Protest were announced on december 16th as you see here by a party so us embassy alerts people these are happening and does their gay allow people to protest freely press release.
Then today there is protest and they do same messaging after. Ben Norton post completely distorted tweets to make it look like us embassy alerted people themselves to go out and protest and organized it. I'm not trusting people who lie like this so brazenly
https://kz.usembassy.gov/ check the alerts yourself
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:09:29 No. 677188
>>677182 Please make it real.
I want to believe!
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:09:35 No. 677189
>>677151 By that logic we should denounce the USSR entirely because the United States talked positively about them during WWII. We should denounce figures such as Fidel Castro because the United States talked positively about them before he went mask off communist. We should denounce MLK because the US media speaks highly of him past his death.
Hell while we're at it, let's cast aside any support (critical or otherwise) for Venezuala seeing as they're on good relations with Turkey!
No one's denying this protest can't be co-opted by the CIA and other imperialist institutions, it can, but we also have to understand the factions within this protest that are set about bringing genuine revolution.
>But they're trOtS Don't care, maybe they can actually redeem the tendency's shit reputation in this possible revolution.
If they're feds, shit sucks, but I'm not going to outright denounce them
JUST YET .
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:11:22 No. 677192
>>677186 it's not even that mamy people imo honestly, autist chads just can't help but eat the (illogical) bait
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:13:01 No. 677195
>>677151 Support of protests shouldnt hinge on whether they are convenient to one national bourgeoisie or another, but on their class character and the socialist nature of their demands
This isnt Belarus (petite bourg/pmc, muh free elections), Ukraine (petite bourg, chauvinist, joining EU) or Cuba (also petite bourg/gusano, astroturfed)
see
>>677011 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:13:38 No. 677197
>>677187 >>677187 >us embassy alerted people themselves to go out and protest and organized it Ben is right, chums, they sent these messages to gather as much as they can their supporters in their ONGs, which they exist, as a public announce.
(bad faith rule) Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:14:29 No. 677198
>>677189 > United States talked positively about them during WWII This is a false equivalence argument. Less stupidity, please.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:15:01 No. 677199
>>677189 Trots are one of the few nominally leninist tendencies that are even allowed to exist in many reactionary country.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:15:36 No. 677200
>>677197 Are you even reading the tweet? He's saying they announced 3 weeks beforehand. They posted an alert when there was protest on December 16th
Then posted again when there was protest today. There was advanced warning anywhere. It's alerting Americans who are there that there is protest happening at the moment.
Nothing Ben is saying is right
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:16:00 No. 677203
>>677200 There was no advanced warning anywhere*
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:16:51 No. 677205
>>677202 Right we need to stay stoic.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:17:15 No. 677207
>>677203 Event: Protests continue in multiple cities throughout Kazakhstan. Continued heightened security presence is expected as well as public transport disruptions, intermittent internet network outages, and interruptions to electronic banking transactions.
According to reports, clashes in Almaty between riot police and protesters have turned violent and crowds have broken into government buildings. Both protesters and police have reported injuries. Emergency services such as hospitals and poly-clinics have been affected. Authorities have declared a state of emergency in Mangystau, Almaty, and Nur-Sultan, and other cities may follow.
U.S. government personnel are advised to avoid demonstration areas and shelter in place, and avoid standing next to balconies, or windows, and stay indoors whenever possible.
Even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence. You should avoid demonstrations and exercise caution in the vicinity of any large gatherings or protests.
Consulate General Almaty will be closed to visitors on Thursday, January 6 with personnel tele-working. All U.S. citizen services and visa interview appointments have been postponed for Embassy Nur-Sultan and Consulate General Almaty.
Actions to Take:
Avoid the areas of demonstrations.
Exercise caution if unexpectedly in the vicinity of large gatherings or protests.
Monitor local media for updates.
For Assistance: The U.S. Embassy is located at Rakhymzhan Koskharbayev Ave., No. 3, Nur-Sultan 010010. If you are a U.S. citizen in need of urgent assistance, the emergency after-hours number for the U.S. Embassy is +7 7172 70 22 00.
The U.S. Consulate General Almaty is located at Samal-2, 97 Zholdasbekov Street, Almaty, 050051. If you are a U.S. citizen in need of urgent assistance, the emergency after-hours number for the U.S. Consulate General is 8 777 0072359.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:17:39 No. 677208
>>677187 >holodomor momument yep, seems to me euromaidan, more and more.
Even if you don't want to connect the dots, see what the where they are gathering.
(Straight making shit up to fedjacket) Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:17:48 No. 677210
>>677187 >>677197 >>677200 I wonder if anyone no the communist left have written a critique of this lopsided and hysterical "analysis" of tankies the likes of Norton. The type that give all agency to the US state, but none to the proletariat, no matter where in the world, and will always defend a bourgeois government no matter how anti-communist, even when proof of US meddling is dubious (like now, when there's massive proletarian Kazakh rudimentary class-conscious involvement and both legal and clandestine communist in the country) or worse even non-existent.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:20:38 No. 677214
>>677199 They are Xi-/KPRF-alligned "Trots", also there is a relatively successful legal ML party, also Xi-/KPRF-alligned, that's legal and part of the parliamentary process in Kazakhstan.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:21:16 No. 677217
>>677210 You're jumping to conclusions without enough reliable information, as are those condemning the protests as color-revolution. Take a step back and do some research.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:21:17 No. 677218
>>677210 Overthrowing the U.S. will be the major favor to the world and proletariats in general.
This anon is about right:
>>677202 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:24:38 No. 677223
>>677189 Protests are not nations nor civil rights leaders. Also I'm not denouncing the real grievances that those people have. I am feeling fishy about the way they will be managed/influenced by the world's most powerful people, as everyone else is ITT.
>>677170 Good point I still have questions. Do US embassies report on every protest in the world, or just ones they deem legitimate?(…) Why did the embassy in Kazakhstan send out a similar notice weeks ago? Did protests happen then too? My sus radar is still off the charts.
Did this shit happen with the Maidan coup? I was too young to pay attention back then, to be honest.
>>677195 Do you really know all that about this protest? How can you be sure about its class character based on generalisations of nations?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:25:47 No. 677228
>>677210 You're missing the point with all this hair splitting. Capitalism may be far from ideal, but it is better to have it run by anti-imperialist leaders who can redirect capitalism to serve the people, as opposed to a "socialist" movement which will invite western backed capitalism. To act like western capitalism and anti-western/state capitalism are the same thing is a ludicrous false equivalence.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:26:53 No. 677230
>>677217 >You're jumping to conclusions without enough reliable information I'm simply founding a momentary conclusion based on the facts at hand at presently. None of what I said was speculative.
>Take a step back and do some research. Care to be more specific?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:30:47 No. 677236
>>677223 You can figure out the class character through its actual demands.The Belarusian opposition is explicitly neoliberal and petite bourgeois/pmc with no economic demands (like lowering retirement age, expanding social security, raising minimum wage, nationalization, forming unions/co-ops) except mass privatization/shock therapy, de-regulation, lowering taxes (including for businesses), dismantling state firms and firing their employees, etc
The Kazakh protestor demands are the opposite of that
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:30:53 No. 677237
>>677230 Both radio liberty and russiatoday want us to believe that the protestors are western-backed liberals. You are right to mistrust russiatoday and radio liberty, because we should not trust glowuyghurs. We should wait and see what politics the protestors present as an alternative to kazakhstani centrism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:32:12 No. 677239
>>677223 Us embassy regularly warns u.s citizens in foreign nations of protest here are some recent examples.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TravelGov From a optics and practicality stand point it would be a PR nightmare to have an American die by foreign forces in these events for a us president. These alerts just get very little attention unless it is something major on news
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:32:25 No. 677240
>>677228 >as opposed to a "socialist" movement which will invite western backed capitalism. What are you basing this on?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:33:08 No. 677241
>>677223 >>677223 >Did this shit happen with the Maidan coup? I was too young to pay attention back then, to be honest. NTA, but they issued one of these every-single-fucking-time when the 2017 guarimbas in 2017 Venezuela. That's a way to warn their ONG-affiliated parties to mobilize their pawns.
bloodgasm 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:33:35 No. 677242
So has the First Kazakh Bitcoin War been resolved yet?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:35:08 No. 677243
>>677228 >You're missing the point with all this hair splitting. Capitalism may be far from ideal, but it is better to have it run by anti-imperialist leaders who can redirect capitalism to serve the people, as opposed to a "socialist" movement which will invite western backed capitalism. >Russian and American capitalist puppet has a worker's strike for better conditions, including at majority American owned factories >based anti-imperialist Russia should roll in the tanks to kill the strikers and armed protestors to stop the fake socialists from inviting in western capital that is already there. Glowing.
You didn't read any of the thread did you? Are you an actual bot? None of what you said was even brought up by other people.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:35:27 No. 677244
>>677237 Shay being the voice of reason in a serious current event thread, damn. This really is the bizarro timeline.
Shay make an onlyfans to bait coomers but make all the content political commentary.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:35:59 No. 677245
>>677243 unless this was sarcasm in which case I was an idiot and my apologies
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:37:16 No. 677246
>>677244 Because I stan shay for her brains as well as her CAKE.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:38:34 No. 677249
>>677244 >>677246 This cringe isn't a contribution to the discussion. Stop.
>>>/siberia/ Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:38:39 No. 677250
>>677246 the future is our best minds furiously debating theory while furiously masturbating
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:40:25 No. 677251
>>677240 I'm basing it on the fact that Trotskyism is a tool of the west, and any Trotskyite nation will invariably sell itself and its people out to the United States in order to enrich their elite, all while maintaining their bastardization of a proletarian mode of production. Given that the lead "communist opposition" in Kazakhstan is avowedly Trotskyite, this would be the invariable conclusion. The bottom line is that anti-western capitalism is more a threat to capitalism as a whole than pro-western socialism.
(sectarian rule, bad faith) Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:44:44 No. 677255
>>677251 >anti-western capitalism is more a threat to capitalism Imagine believing this
>sell itself This was already done by ML states decades ago
Name one "Trot" state that did this
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:50:00 No. 677262
>>677255 >anti-western capitalism is more a threat to capitalism It kind of is tbh. Multipolarity weakens capitalism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:50:06 No. 677263
>>677251 This is rubbish sectarian nonsense, firstly the communist opposition you talk about is part of the IMCWP and secondly Kazakhstan is already western affiliated, see the who owns the share of the oil companies within which the communist opposition supports strikes.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:54:47 No. 677265
>>677249 Why do you have such a hateboner for Shay? you are just further derailing anyways.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 04:56:22 No. 677268
>>677251 But how "Trotskyist" could these Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan really be? They're in IMCWP and let International Socialist Alternative membership lapse. That's openly showing closer ties to parties like KPRF, CPUSA, KKE and the CPC.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:01:31 No. 677272
It's 11am in Almaty. Is there any recent news?
>>677265 might be a mod trying to stop it turning into a board-celeb circlejerk
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:02:31 No. 677273
>>677255 I know this is probably confusing to you, considering you clearly aren't well read, but once you factor in Marxist metaphysics you can clearly see that this shit is much more complicated than "capitalist thing bad socialist thing good". True, capitalism is bad, but the context of capitalism is almost as important as capitalism itself, and in the context of capitalism here it is being used to maintain a Soviet Republic longing to reintegrate with its motherland. Putin is setting the stage to reform the Soviet Union sometime this year, as such a temporary period of state oriented capitalism (which is indeed socialism, read Mao and Deng) is necessary both to build up the material conditions and productive forces and lull the capitalist world into a false sense of security. America sponsored this glowie uprising because they caught wise to the fact Kazakhstan wasn't in their grasp as they thought, and their Trotskyite puppets are dancing to their tune just like in the 30's. Ipso facto, when we look into Marx's view of history and its pattern for repetition, we can see that this battle is not nearly as simple as "capitalism vs socialism", but "western decadence vs eastern productivity", the later of which is much more amiable to the development of healthy socialism.
>>677268 You are like the other poster neglecting the inherent complexities of socialist dialectics. Take for example the Molotov Rippentrop pact, certainly at first glance to the untrained eye this would seem a "betrayal" of the revolution, and Trots naturally took advantage of this surface level observation to rally support to their faction from workers who lacked true class consciousness. However one who has sufficiently read and understood Marx and Lenin could see that move for the brilliance it entails: by allowing these two opposing entities to join, it forced the manifestation of the dialectic, as every action must have an equal and opposite reaction. Thermodynamics, dialectics, thermodialectics if you will. Much in the same way would it be all too easy for us to throw support to these Trotskyite liberalizers, when it is in fact because of its opposition to socialism that we must support the current government as doing so is necessary for the contradictions inherent in the system to fully manifest themselves much as they did in World War 2.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:08:21 No. 677282
>>677273 holy shit go outside
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:12:34 No. 677287
>>677273 >When Dengist MZT is so strong that it not only empties socialism of meaning but also makes membership of your communist international irrelevant in comparison to the short-term profits of your anti-communist bourgeois state trade partners Peaceful collaboration, praise Zi
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:12:42 No. 677288
>>677273 >this is what westernoids believe Putin has had twenty year to seize the ill gotten gains of the Russian capitalist class and what has he done instead? Smeared socialism, allied with reactionaries, raised retirement age, propped up the corrupt church, enriched his bourgeois allies, and recently his party stole the election from the KRPF who were set to win the majority of seats in places like Moscow
He had over twenty years to "build up the productive forces" where did all the money go?
>America sponsored this glowie uprising The protest started after gas price hikes
>"western decadence vs eastern productivity" This is fascist drivel, literally variation of
>>677212 >Soviet Republic longing to reintegrate with its motherland Stop watching RT or wherever you people get this nonsense from
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:23:59 No. 677299
>>677230 By research, I mean we need to find reliable sources of information from Kazakhstan and post them here. Right now we're making judgements based on a couple of screenshots. Who knows if those screenshots are real or not. Don't ask me for sources, I would be posting them if I knew where to find them.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:24:13 No. 677300
>>677288 >Putin has had twenty year to seize the ill gotten gains of the Russian capitalist class and what has he done instead? Smeared socialism, allied with reactionaries, raised retirement age, propped up the corrupt church, enriched his bourgeois allies, and recently his party stole the election from the KRPF who were set to win the majority of seats in places like Moscow >He had over twenty years to "build up the productive forces" where did all the money go? It is tragic that you are so short sighted, but I suppose again this is an inevitable conclusion of one going down the utopian route and looking to Marxism as a battle of "good vs evil" rather than as a series of conjugating and contradicting conflicts that shape all sides ultimately refining our species towards a better future, which is the true socialism Marx and Lenin speak of. Socialism is also a process, a changing of phases, Russia's material conditions had sadly collapsed due to Yeltsin and needed heavily restructuring if it was to survive as a socialist state in the modern era, hence Putin's tutelage. By having a paternal leading figure, a state can safely build up capitalism and ready itself for a strong transition into socialism, and due to socialist metaphysics this makes it already socialist by its intent. The KRPF wasn't put down due to Putin being anti-communist, but rather because they were trying to jump the gun and end the paternal autocracy period necessary, as outlined by Sun Yat Sen, whom as we all know is the predecessor to Mao Zedong himself. There is a lot of subtlety involved in this conflict that is clearly going way over your head, and I strongly urge you to do some further reading and ask real Russians their real opinions before spewing state department propaganda on behalf of the United States.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:26:51 No. 677305
>>677299 Yeah, in that sense I agree
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:28:02 No. 677306
>>677303 Where did that screenshot come from? Is there a Kazakh leftypol?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:29:54 No. 677311
Seriously you all seem to be newfags.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:33:56 No. 677313
>>677311 >2013 I was still going to school by day and watching pewdiepie at night, clue me in
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:34:09 No. 677314
>>677312 China's MSS and the communist party of kazakhstan are leading the protests from the shadows.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:35:06 No. 677318
>Putin is setting the stage to reform the Soviet Union sometime this year, as such a temporary period of state oriented capitalism There's no fucking way you actually believe this.
>>677311 >Maidan coup is the only movement that has ever happened I hate you faggots, you learn about two events and think it's enough to apply to everything that subsequently happens, fucking pathetic tbh
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:36:09 No. 677321
>>677299 Internet is still down and it seems there are power grid issues in most of the country so it'll be hard to get raw news, agencies still have their own channels with satphones and all so we just have to wait for them to publish tomorrow but they're not really the investigative type.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:36:29 No. 677322
>>677318 We can go further back in history. Look at solidarity in Pooland, that didn't turn out well for communism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:37:07 No. 677323
>>677321 It's too bad we don't have any anons on the ground there.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:39:05 No. 677325
>>677323 >It's too bad we don't have any anons on the ground there. I was thinking we should start an international network of comrades with satphones in volatile areas prone to internet outages.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:39:08 No. 677326
>>677312 >We know "unorganized"/"leaderless" protests don't exist. Uh…. no. That's wrong. In fact it often happens that you see spontaneous protests if there is something affecting a large number of people, without any leadership or organization. What a strange assertion to make and to then rest your point on.
>So who is organizing these protests? This is paranoiac thinking. "We don't currently see proletarian leadership, so someone else is and it's fishy." It may be that there is organization happening by someone else but to take this as a given is unreasonable, especially given the purported cause of the protests being an economic situation that has a widespread effect on consumers. If anything is orchestrated it makes more sense for the national policy to be than the response to it.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:39:30 No. 677327
>>677306 https://www.mlyn.by/novosti/2022/01/belarus-2020-kazaxstan-2022-chto-na-samom-dele-proisxodit-u-kazaxov/ No idea who Aisin is but his name seems irrelevant in the internet. Like a ghost what is this website anyway, and who brought this to the thread?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:41:02 No. 677330
>>677325 Was there ever a central asia thread on leftypol? I can't find one.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:41:20 No. 677332
>>677300 >future of the species Is irrelevant. There is only the lived lives and experiences of workers, and the forces of capital trying to control and exploit us
If I am shortsighted it is because I realize that it is my immediate (class) interests that matter, and not excuses by capitalists and revisionists who want to keep us waiting for decades. The point of socialism is not to wait for the "productive forces to develop" until capitalist are comfortable handing them over, but to seize power for the working class and use it to abolish itself
>ask real Russians I have Russian friends, what you are saying is bs
>>677311 Demanding to join the EU is not the same as protests over inflation
>>677312 There is proletarian leadership - seen in its demands - but no revolutionary party ready to take over
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:42:30 No. 677335
>>677326 Anarchists protests in 2022? Yeeeeea. No. Perhaps, in the very beginning of the 20th century.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:43:40 No. 677338
>>677332 А партия в будущее надо. Иначе не обойдется движение
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:44:38 No. 677339
>>677335 Who said anything about anarchists? Spontaneous unrest is a quality of working classes not some particular ideology.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:46:10 No. 677341
>>677332 >Demanding to join the EU is not the same as protests over inflation I never said by the time in infinitechan the hype was pro-eurpean, in fact, it was praised the oust of a guy that wasn't communist, was too open to close in to Europe and somehow the popular working class would lead the fight with overconfidence on what the now defunct communist party there could achieve.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:46:45 No. 677343
>>677334 >Communist party in Kazakhstan is literally banned Seems it was reestablished under a different name (?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_of_Kazakhstan Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:48:54 No. 677346
>>677343 It's a split from 2004, they're not communists at this point, look at the ideology section.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:49:14 No. 677348
>>677332 >There is proletarian leadership - seen in its demands - but no revolutionary party ready to take over There's no evidence that the demands are representative of the whole of the protest movement or even a plurality. It's safer to assume that different groups are protesting united by some shared interests, but these groups probably have many disagreements too. Have any other lists of demands been publicized yet?
>>677334 Yea, that explains why there is no overt communist leadership. But what about non-communist workers' organizations like unions, have we heard anything from them?
>>677327 The twitter post is self explanatory, presumably some communist in Belarus conversed with a communist in Kazakhstan. But like you said, we don't know the details of these two people.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:49:25 No. 677349
>>677339 Then you don't know what a communist or socialist revolution is. They need a leadership. Not one single successful communist revolution has ever existed without leadership during the praxis epochs.
Believing the contrary is fairy tale.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:52:08 No. 677352
>>677349 Where did I say this was a communist or socialist revolution? We're talking about whether the present unrest is a response from the regular working people of Kazakhstan or some kind of op. Whether it's a real communist revolution isn't what I was talking about. I was addressing this post
>>677312 which implied there has to be some kind of leadership behind it. If there isn't (which looks plausible right now) then the communists in Kazakhstan need to fix that.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:53:07 No. 677353
>>677349 And leadership defines itself trough struggle, believing otherwise is counter revolutionary
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:54:37 No. 677354
>>677353 It helps to have organized cadre ready when the moment is right. Compare 1905 to 1917.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:56:28 No. 677359
>>677354 without 1905 there wouldn't have been a 1917
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:56:32 No. 677360
The Virginia district of CPUSA published an article going over the situation in Kazakhstan, for those interested.
https://vacpusa.org/2022/01/05/stand-with-kazakhstan/ tl;dr, this uprising reeks of a Western-backed color revolution in the vein of Ukraine, HK, etc.
Note also, it seems the NED has been quite busy in Kazakhstan over the past few years:
https://www.ned.org/region/eurasia/kazakhstan-2020/ Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:57:27 No. 677362
>>677354 The "cadre" defined itself partly in 1905, Trotsky was president of the petrograd soviet then, it's only because of his position at this moment that he became a very important member of the vanguard in 1917
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 05:57:54 No. 677364
>>677359 Then at best the current protests will be the 1905 for Kazakhstan.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:01:28 No. 677367
>>677360 So CPUSA is against the protests while KKE supports them. Seems like it's too early to make a call on the exact nature of these protests.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:02:09 No. 677368
>>677360 sounds like schizo shit tbh. "we want food" "wow you sound like the US state department, sorry I have to leave, gotta to prepare my support for the dems this midterms"
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:03:22 No. 677369
>>677368 Hahaha, that's CPUSA for you
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:05:31 No. 677371
>>677360 >Ask for better wages. >Ask for better pensions. >Ask for lower prices. <Akshually they share the objectives with neoliberal force (when has a neoliberal lied?) so they are just neoliberal nazis making the azov division 2 ok? Support the Russian neoliberal instead, thanks for reading. The world should range-ban all US IPs.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:06:41 No. 677373
>>677360 Ok, seems indeed a color revolution.
>>677368 Oh, anon, sorry to hear your concerns about Bana Alabed, I am so sorry you are too concerned about that.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:07:21 No. 677374
>>677371 Also
>Kazakhstan literally being buddies with Israel. >President was a UN secretary. Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:08:05 No. 677376
>>677360 The first pic demands was debunked earlier in thread
>neolib is when you lower food prices lol
>>677338 True. This will fizzle without
>>677341 I get what you mean, but there is no pro-EU hype here except some protester saying he wanted to live like people in Sweden/Norway
>>677348 >There's no evidence that the demands are representative of the whole of the protest movement True, coming days will show who will win and if protests will continue
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:08:12 No. 677377
>>677374 That's not enough, they want Ukraine 2.0
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:09:55 No. 677381
>>677377 Who
How do you know
Are you in kazakhstan? Are you just assuming?
If in Kazakhstan, tell us more pls.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:10:55 No. 677382
Ok whichever anon is in closest proximity to Kazakhstan please stand up.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:14:11 No. 677387
>>677386 B-But critical support and anti-imperialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:14:47 No. 677388
>>677386 Source tho?
>AFP Why should I trust them?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:15:30 No. 677389
>>677360 I heard that the CPUSA is also incredibly retarded tho
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:16:20 No. 677391
>>677388 Don't worry friend I got the Russian version approved by Lord Putin!
The police officers had to struggle to defend the communist revolutionary president of kazahstan against invading terrorist forces!
https://sputniknews.com/20220106/shootout-underway-in-almaty-kazakhstan-as-servicemen-encircle-rioters-amid-violent-protests-1092053274.html Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:17:18 No. 677393
>>677390 >Nazarbayev's regime Didn't he step down years ago?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:18:02 No. 677394
>>677391 Not a putin supporter buddy.
It's just that you showed up an AFP twitter post with just the AFP logo and, I mean, if it was a colour revolution, this is definitemy something they would do, just proclaim something, not prove it, and that's it.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:18:54 No. 677396
>>677214 Yeah no, the legal “communist” party is fake opposition careerists that split from the CPK. They don’t do shit for the workers and just participate in the rubber-stamp process of the elites.
The revolt we see now is very similar to the October revolution where the working class spontaneously protested after decades of clandestine organizing and falling material conditions of their society, leading to all groups from Communist to liberals to participate. There’s very little reason not to back the angry workers and the more organized SMK and CPK in this revolt
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:20:47 No. 677397
Surely all those "anti imperialist" who are always going off about dead protestors on twitter and regime change who happen to constantly defend Russia are going to tear into the Kazakhstan leadership for killing all these protestors. Right? Right?…. Oh wait you mean they'll stay quiet?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:27:27 No. 677401
https://twitter.com/PriapusIQ/status/1478973068349513730?s=20 WAOOOW based russian peace keepers mowing down protestors! Now there is some real anti imperialism! Video Brought to you by TASS too! (Russia state media)
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:28:12 No. 677403
Based Russia sending its military to defend Kazakh oligarchy and to shoot common people protesting 30 year dictatorship.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:30:42 No. 677408
>>677346 Yeah, just that this other list did described them differently, which confused me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Kazakhstan#Parties_represented_in_the_Mazhilis but yes, reading the description its clear they're spineless cucks
>>677396 Yeah I was mixing up PPK and CPK earlier ITT.
>Yeah no, the legal “communist” party is fake opposition careerists that split from the CPK. They don’t do shit for the workers and just participate in the rubber-stamp process of the elites. I see.
>SMK and CPK More focus should be on these in this thread instead of this endless peculation about meta or foreign forces
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:33:52 No. 677411
>>677409 Yep, civil war time.
Post thread theme
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:34:36 No. 677414
>>677405 >right under a video of "protesters" robbing a bank Good and Stalin pilled
>and stealing RPGs from the military Good and Mao pilled
The fuck are you trying to say
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:39:31 No. 677420
>>677416 RT will be calling them terrorist very soon and explaining why they deserved it. Then all the RT adjacent journalist will search for any documentation they can spam out to call the protestors radical or CIA funded so they can rationalize them all dying.
It was simply defending the people's Republic of Kazakhstan and their communist leader or for right wingers there uh anti vaccine or anti globohomo leader they can picture in their head
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:40:00 No. 677421
>>677414 It's disengenous to call them protesters. Call them Insurrectionists, rebels, or something.
>>677416 What this anon said too. Just because the people are trying to overthrow a corrupt government doesn't mean they're necessarily better or even going to do much besides throw the country into turmoil only the have the original regime come out on top.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:40:43 No. 677423
>>677413 Conscripts probably refuse to shoot citizens and surrender to them.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:41:53 No. 677425
>>677409 Dows anyone know where this happened?
Is it on the russian side of kazakhstan or on the kazakh side?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:42:17 No. 677426
>>677425 >The embed >Again FUCK
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:42:19 No. 677427
>>677416 I would be more worried about Uzbek islamists filling a power vacuum than the average protester establishing a theocratic state.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 06:45:22 No. 677432
More research on SMK and CPK needed ITT NAO
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 07:05:36 No. 677443
>>677416 At least ISIS is anti-imperialist, these guys are such blatant western puppets it's not even funny
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 07:08:34 No. 677447
>>677443 I can nearly guarantee 48 hours ago you did not even know who the president of khazakstan was.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 07:11:07 No. 677449
>>677447 It does not matter the names, what matters is that the productive dialectical forces are in motion. Socialism is being made with the blood of the rabble and warriors of the east. Will you fight? Or will you die on the streets like a dog? The clock is ticking as always, illusions, illusions…
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 07:13:01 No. 677451
>>677449 The president of khazakstan was a director general of the UN from 2011 to 2013. He's not making shit regarding socialism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassym-Jomart_Tokayev Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 07:15:28 No. 677453
People who see every protest in terms of "colour revolution" are braindead, RT-addled clowns.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 07:31:07 No. 677455
we've always had dipshit 14 year old-tier campists but when did they start pushing majority status here?
>>677202 oh, never mind
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:13:36 No. 677471
>>677408 I know a bit about the ISA and CWI given that I live in Seattle and know some trots. So basically what happened is that there was some nasty accusations of power tripping, favoritism of some national branches over others, and poor handling of rape allegations that imploded the organization so bad it went through multiple rounds of splits that killed the organization as an international body. If these trots are anything like the ones in Seattle they probably have tried to make allies in trade unions and run a bunch of front organizations where they do activism work exposing and trying to fix whatever injustice is going on.
The CPK, going by their Wikipedia page, seem to have been split up and made illegal to prevent them from gaining power, with the only head of the party with a page being in jail several times. Since then they’ve joined some popular fronts of the wider opposition to reform Kazakh democracy and weaken the current ruling oligarchy. I think both organizations are legit and do want to help out, and it seems that those parties with better access to what goes on in the ex-USSR, like KKE, are voicing solidarity to the main workers movements in the country.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:16:07 No. 677474
>you are a campist! >no you are a campist! >these people are working class! >nooo they are bandits!
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:26:25 No. 677476
>>677455 Fully set in since 2019. Hasn't been the same since.
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:33:41 No. 677479
>>677210 the grayzone guys defending the Myanmar junta for no apparent reason was about where I cracked lmfao
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:33:47 No. 677480
Will the anti-imperialist people's revolutionary troops of Russia kill under 100 today or more?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:39:53 No. 677484
US got pushed out of Afghanistan, so they try to stir bullshit in other stans in order to give China troubles.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:41:11 No. 677485
You know as a dedicated anti-imperialist usually I'd say ACAB and fuck the cops but these brave policeman today who put down vicious terroristic Nazi protestors who are CIA backed and Ngo and more stuff.
These police officers are comrades fallen defending the legacy of socialist nation of kazahstan and our dear leader president Kassym-Jomart Tokayev who is working to establish communism as we speak. I will keep them in my prayers
https://twitter.com/guyelster/status/1479008993637019654?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 08:41:21 No. 677486
>>677210 What's so improbable about USA trying to stir trouble in Kazakhstan? Russia's alliance determined that there's a foreign interference there. Why do you trust Western glowies over Russian glowies? There's a bias here on your part.
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-06 (Thu) 09:05:21 No. 677494
>>677486 >Why do you trust Western glowies over Russian glowies? why would you have preference?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 09:30:42 No. 677512
>>677479 Outside of any financial incentive they get from RT shows, I think it makes sense given how fast the unreliable US narrative became. The US Glow-Industrial Complex spent decades building her up, recent years criticizing her as a genocidal maniac, and then started simping for her once she got overthrown. That’s not consistent.
Outside of a few bad mishaps the work by the Grayzone team is good at exposing the bullshit, it’s just that with all sources they have biases and are affected by a lack of equal reception to any and all possible information they can get, which is any source. It is insane to throw them out over some bad takes. Just investigate things a little and know their (financial) biases and you should be good.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:10:34 No. 677528
https://mobile.twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1479031958671929348 3600 is the pronected number of CSTO troops to be sent (for now) to Kazakhstan.
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:19:45 No. 677533
>>677512 >borderline word salad tasty
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:27:42 No. 677536
>>677526 Kyrgyzstan, Belarus, and Armenia are also deploying peacekeeping forces
Azerbaijan will probably pitch in as well
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:30:56 No. 677538
>>677533 The idea is basically that you should ignore that Glowzone constantly goes out to bat for the Russian petro oligarchy and seems practically dominated by Russian and Chinese glowies because they criticize America a lot
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:32:13 No. 677540
US-led Western NGOs have been operating in Kazakhstan for many years. The riots are obviously a color revolution that has been brewing for a long time. This is exactly why President Tokayev urges people to remain reasonable and not to listen to provocations aimed at undermining stability and social unity. The intention of the West is to disrupt Kazakhstan to send large numbers of refugees and terrorists to Central Asia in order to achieve the goal of containing China and Russia.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:33:46 No. 677544
>>677479 Why do you operate under the impression that the US-NATO empire only attacks socialists?
Further, why even give a shit about what's happening in Myanmar? Beyond the imperialism angle, all you have is a military junta struggling with neoliberals. Not really the sort of conflict you'd have much stake in unless you were looking at the larger geopolitics.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:38:23 No. 677549
>>677540 Maybe. But we don't know yet.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:40:15 No. 677550
>>677547 >Nooooooo <You must blindly support this actual porky state created by the protege of one of the executors of the USSR <You gotta suck off fucking Yeltsin’s apprentice/successor who did election fraud just last year to crush the Russian communist party Kill yourself
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:47:25 No. 677555
>>677554 >Never said anything nice about Russia So I take it you’ve never listened to Glowzone and only read about them here?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:49:06 No. 677556
>>677555 I've read their articles and listened to them at times as well. They've literally never said anything nice about Russia. They basically don't talk about Russia.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 10:49:48 No. 677557
>>676997 Looks extremely trustworthy
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:05:16 No. 677567
>>677208 Holodomor monument is approved and built by current government my guy,
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:30:17 No. 677580
>>677544 Communist party of Burma reformed after 30 years of exile and launched people's war against the junta in Myanmar tbh, so albeit they are still very weak there is a socialist presence in that conflict.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:34:32 No. 677582
Are the protesters /ourguys/ or not? I'm not reading three threads to get an answer.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:39:08 No. 677585
>>677582 They are beheading cops so probs ANTIFA/BLM.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:45:41 No. 677588
https://mobile.twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1479005842661724160 China's take on the protests: they seem kind of disappointed in a sense that CSTO was called upon to inrervene,but maybe I'm just overinterpreting.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:48:35 No. 677591
KPRF Statement:
"Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov on mass protests in Kazakhstan"
https://twitter.com/kprf/status/1478865627632873481 Translation/ Summation (not mine:
https://twitter.com/NarchoArmChair/status/1478868119808614400 ):
"The unrest in Kazakhstan, in fact, was provoked by the government itself, which inflated the price of gas by a factor of two. This has hurt many segments of the population, since more than 60% of the consumption of liquefied gas accounts for motor vehicles. At the same time, it is obvious that citizens' discontent is of a broader nature: the prices for everything are going up, while the salaries are low. In general, the oligarchic capital, which has established itself in the post-Soviet space, does not take into account the interests of working people. All of this has led to mass protests. Looking at what is happening in Kazakhstan, there is something for Putin and Mishustin to think about. Prices are skyrocketing in Russia too [..] It is the oligarch's free reign that leads to such consequences. The powers that be are actively exploiting this by declaring a hybrid war on Russia. This time they are trying to take over Kazakhstan, rich in natural resources and having the longest border in the world with our country - more than 7,500 kilometers. It is important to understand that there will be no peace in our expanses without close socio-economic and political-diplomatic ties with the CIS countries. We are encircled by NATO from all sides. The collective West will do everything to destabilize the situation."
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:50:21 No. 677593
>>677591 WTF KPRF having the perfect take for once?
If only they weren't so ficking cucked…
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:53:53 No. 677595
>>677591 perfect, almost lenin-like in their analysis
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:56:03 No. 677596
>>677593 They aren't anymore that is why they're being thrown in prison
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:58:22 No. 677598
>>677597 If the Kazakh protests weren't anti-Russian to begin with, they sure as fuck are now.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:58:26 No. 677599
>>677596 gr8 2 see r russian comrades tking the f8 to the nme
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 11:59:47 No. 677600
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29822426 >It seems noteworthy that Kazakhstan represents ~22% of Bitcoins hashrate (~45 TWh/year of electricity), at the same time as people are out in streets rioting over the price of heating their homes. ?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 12:02:46 No. 677601
>>677582 They're not exactly /ourguys/ (as in, they're not organized so they can't do shit) but the case for protest is legit.
They will get massacred brutally and the putinoid simps would justify it by calling them CIA provocators.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 12:04:23 No. 677603
>>677601 then they are /ourguys/
"if you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine"
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 12:19:53 No. 677609
>>677360 >Maoists Where is there any proof any of the protestors are Maoist?
Also getting a bit sick of this “China does business there, Russia does business there, therefore me westerner says nobody in those countries are allowed to protest” even though Tony fucking Blair was doing spin for them a few years ago and they are a key ally of Israel, economically and strategically. Like yeh, maybe it is a colour revolution and there are some indicators perhaps, but these people have taken what amounts to flimsy “proof” that it’s a CIA something or other and ran with it. The US embassy posting times of the protests makes sense in other contexts, if there is going to be big destabilising possibly violent protests people need to know about it, normal work places do this in my city or if there is a big football game on or something and you’re in the vicinity.
Again, I’m not saying either way, I don’t think there is enough information, I think there are interesting lines of inquiry on both sides, but to immediately be like aha! You see! It was my Twitter enemies from my weird online sectarian hate boner all along! Is so fucking lame
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 12:21:16 No. 677610
>>677591 Isn’t this supporting Russian intervention though? Cool story bro about parallels between Russian and Kazakh oligarchy, but the statement seems to just be resolving that focus should be on opposing NATO (I.e pls no revolution, the west might hijack it ;__; ) which is true but also the common go-to excuse for Russian opposition parties in general to advocate doing nothing in response to corruption.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 12:37:28 No. 677617
>>677615 >В Казахстане сейчас настоящее народное восстание и с самого начала протесты носили социальный и классовый характер, <In Kazakhstan right now is daily popular uprising which has from the very beginning of the protest carried a social and class character. All you need to know.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:08:37 No. 677645
Ok but can Baikonur keep operating
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:11:42 No. 677648
>>677645 Damn, the ISS gonna starve.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:12:01 No. 677649
>>677486 >i have 0 reliable non biased info >i have 0 knowledge of the country >lets trust the state media of the country that just sent in its military are you fuckers this stupid ? did you not notice all the "support" to russia we gave in the past was in the context of nato aggression&propaganda and the benefit of a multipolar world ?
holy shit im starting to think we should ban all the morons than cant observe anything happening without their schizo brain shouting stupid and meaningless buzzwords rather than actually trying to understand a situation, and the paranoid fucks for whom the cia is all powerful and behind every protest in non western country
get a grip you fucks
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:13:13 No. 677650
>>677486 >i trust russia glowie ! youre retarded beyond salvation. The soviet union doesnt exist anymore moron
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:16:01 No. 677653
>>677596 More of this then, but i think Zyuganov is still too deferential to Putin IMHO.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:16:09 No. 677654
>>677210 >go from protests to weapon depots being seized and soldiers being beheaded in less than 24 hours >organic in any way whatsoever The reasons for the protests are legitimate, but the protests themselves are glowing brighter than the sun
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:17:29 No. 677656
>>677619 This goes hard WTF
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:18:48 No. 677658
>>677585 terminal burgerbrain. kys
>>677582 nobody knows. Prolly not communist, just regular ppl fed up with their gov, with some weak lib demands. They for now have my sympathy at least, as it feel p much like a more radical gilet jaune movement.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:20:04 No. 677662
>>677603 "if you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine"
this tbh
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:21:02 No. 677664
>>677654 Have you considered that their state was just weak as fuck and not every country has a state structure as powerful as the West? I wouldn’t be surprised if Kazakhstan’s military and police forces are weaker than Egypt’s.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:21:17 No. 677665
>>677610 retard, apparently reading a nuanced take with no support for anyone (which doesnt amount to anything regardless) is too hard to comprehend for you
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:25:30 No. 677669
>>677665 Russia is actually intervening in Kazakstan though, if your point is that opposing NATO is the most important thing, more important than opposing oligarchs, then you’re in support of intervention. It’s not nuance as much as it’s advocating for something without saying it explicitly.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:29:28 No. 677673
Kazakhstan is the greatest country in the world
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:32:29 No. 677680
>>677665 Yea so basically what
>>677669 is saying is that your directly supporting Russian imperialism on the basis of some cringy neo-con geopolitical realism, just from the perspective of a US adversary rather than the US
You’re supporting Russian intervention against a mass movement of the proletariat, an inherently reactionary action, because Russia, despite being an explicitly capitalist imperialist state, is opposed to the one you live in
In other, other words, you’re doing the equivalent of that meme where Lenin says critical support for Germany in its war against world spanning British imperialism
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:32:57 No. 677681
>>677669 >if your point is that opposing NATO is the most important thing learn to read retard
learn to read retard
learn to read retard
apparently, you are indeed too stupid to comprehend a nuanced take with no support for anyone.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:35:23 No. 677686
>>677681 How is instantly writing schizo posts about glowies the second a mass movement happens in a non-Western country nuanced exactly?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:37:23 No. 677690
>>677682 Holy Shit This is reaching Ukraine 2014 levels
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:37:37 No. 677691
>>677681 >it’s nuance! You seem to think that word means something that it doesn’t. It’s not a get-out-of-critique-free card where because you claim the implicit advocation of the intervention of one oligarch state by another to protect oligarchy in general is a “nuanced” take, that means that’s not what is happening.
But it is, Russia is intervening because A. It’s supporting a fellow oligarchy and B. there’s a slight possibility NATO could hijack the situation to install a pro-west government on Russia’s largest border. Making a bigger deal out of B doesn’t make effectively supporting A any less anti-communist.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:41:12 No. 677694
>Russia calls them foreign funded >EU says muh both sides so does America
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:43:00 No. 677695
>>677689 I used google Translate to translate an informative post:
What is happening in Kazakhstan? Why did this happen and what is the position of The Red Yurt?
We receive dozens of messages with questions: "What is going on there?" With this post, we want to express our position on what is happening.
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0) The people of Kazakhstan groan under the yoke of the bourgeoisie. Every wave of devaluation, another jump in prices hit the working people. Go through the chronicles of labor over the past few months and you will see that the capitalists, taking away from the working people the gains of Soviet power, drove people into poverty, despair and anger. Constant cuts in social benefits, fines, falling wages and glaring inequality could not go unanswered indefinitely. Although the temporary lull gave the impression of boundless patience among the people, we understood that at any moment a storm could break out, and now - this happened.
1) The unrest that swept through large cities and small towns was preceded by a series of strikes.
Here and there, workers rebelled against bestial working conditions and meager wages. It is obvious that the socio-economic situation of the masses of the people pushes people to fight for their rights. It is also known that any economic struggle always develops into a political one. No one, however, expected that the events would take on such a massive and rapid character. Another, local, as it seemed at first, surge of discontent in a small city in the west of the country, caused by an increase in prices for liquefied gas, in a matter of days grew into protests that swept almost the entire country. Despite the fact that Zhanaozen residents remember the bloody massacre of ten years ago, they again dared to go to the squares. This time they first expressed solidarity and support for small towns, and then large cities in the west. Soon Zhanaozen attracts the attention of the whole country. The government is backing down, but then political slogans are added to the economic slogans and it is no longer about gas, but about changing the ruling regime.
2) Suddenly, Zhanaozen was joined by a regional center close to it - Aktau.
Later, people began to gather in other cities of Western Kazakhstan. Soon, in many major cities of the country, in both capitals (Almaty and Astana), people began to take to the streets in support of protests in the Western regions. Most of the demonstrations were peaceful, but on the last night in Almaty they escalated into mass riots.
3) The authorities have taken the dual position of "carrot and
stick". On the afternoon of January 4, it is announced that gas prices are returning to the old ones, the government is resigning, and with the other hand communication is turned off, entry into cities is blocked, special equipment is introduced, and threats of criminal prosecution are heard. Now the situation seems to be leveling off for the authorities. Protesters have already been dispersed in many cities, and, most importantly, in both capitals it is already relatively calm.
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1) Competitors.
When the first protests began in Zhanaozen, the liberals sang an old song, saying that it was not the workers themselves who were protesting, but they were being attacked by competing corporations and firms.
No one has evidence for these allegations. The New Year's price increase was indeed sharp and unfounded. It is becoming obvious to people that with gas prices, the prices of all vital goods will soar. The notorious middle class becomes poor, and the poor become beggars.
Opposition.
It is not the first year that the odious fugitive oligarch Mukhtar Ablyazov has been broadcasting from Western Europe - a kind of cross between Navalny and Khodorkovsky.
Despite the fact that in Kazakhstan it is outlawed, thanks to financial levers, Ablyazov has his own manual organization in the country. Nationalist movements are still strong in Kazakhstan. Both of these forces immediately began to try to ride the wave of popular protests and impose their slogans. So far, Ablyazov has achieved only a lot of information noise, and Mamay - one of the main nationalists - was detained by the police.
As long as the spontaneity and disorganization of the protesters indicate that these unrest was not originally organized by anyone, it is indeed a disorderly popular
uprising. But then there was an aggressive vector aimed at riots and vandalism, introduced, apparently, by these opposition forces.
3) Provocateurs.
As soon as the protests began to take place in Almaty, the intensity of cruelty immediately intensified.
There were all sorts of provocateurs and instigators of the crowd. It is possible that these people are government workers who will give room for more decisive action on the part of the military and police.
4) Hand of Moscow / West / Beijing / Washington / Erdogan.
Of course, in any protests, someone from the outside is found to
blame. Even when workers in Zhanaozen went on strike, there was a lot of conjecture, attempts to link unrelated events and blame anyone but the chosen economic model. There is no evidence that the current strikes or protests will dramatically benefit any country. It can be taken into account that Kazakhstan is the most open country for investment; Here, Chinese, Russian, American, and British companies host as at home. Nothing needs to be captured. Through pleasing power, everything can already be bought.
5) Determination on the part of the Kazakh authorities.
We must understand that Nazarbayev is not Yanukovych, it is rather Pinochet.
If it is necessary to shoot the crowd, Nazarbayev will shoot it, without looking back at the "Western partners". He is a tough Eastern tyrant and a cunning politician of Lukashenka's level.
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1) Of course, we support the workers of Kazakhstan in their fair demands.
It is time for the oligarchs and the state power that represents their interests to finally listen to the needs of the people!
2) But we cannot yet go to the protest itself as an
organization. We clearly understand that we do not have the broad support of the popular masses, who are not yet aware of the class nature of the contradictions that led to the conflict. Decades of anti-communist propaganda contributed to this. If we take to the streets now, we are likely to become a toy in the hands of nationalists and pro-Western oppositionists. People who seriously claim that we can take to the streets and "catch the hanger" are dreamers.
3) Even if an unlikely scenario occurs and the current Kazakh government is overthrown, nothing will fundamentally change for us - for the Communists.
It's just that there will be other people at the feeder.
4) We are against coups d'état without changing the
formation! We advocate radical transformations of social and political life that will improve the lives of the working majority, provide guarantees of social protection, access to quality education and health care. The problem is not the individuals in power, but the world's dominant socio-economic system. And it can be changed only if the whole nation realizes it, and only in alliance with the working people of other countries. That's what we have to work on.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:45:54 No. 677700
>>677696 Steppe people are pretty cool.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:47:26 No. 677704
>>677695 lmao pathetic
we do not have support of the masses so we will continue to sit on our ass instead of going to the masses and start working with them
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:49:15 No. 677706
>>677691 leftypol 2011
>we should support the libyan rebels guyz. they are fighting a tyrant and he's not a leftist and the rebel win will be a victory for socialisms leftypol 2014
>we should support the syrian rebels guyz. they are fighting a tyrant and he's not a leftist and the rebel win will be a victory for socialisms leftypol 2021
>we should support the khazak rebels guyz…. there's always a few of you guys
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:50:12 No. 677707
>>677701 Fagflags supporting glowed revolts against pro-China governments - name a more iconic duo
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:50:40 No. 677710
>>677706 so we should … support the oligarchy instead?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:51:12 No. 677711
>>677707 >revolts against pro-China governments Kazakhstan is literally buddies with Israel and the guy leading the country came from the Yeltsin era.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:51:48 No. 677712
>>677706 Because all rebels are bad and all have the same goal, moron.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:52:15 No. 677713
>>677707 >Tankies and opposing any mass movement that occurs in a non-NATO state Name a more iconic duo
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:53:15 No. 677714
>>677711 Everyone is buddies with Israel and everyone came from Yeltsin era. They all are anticommunists. The thing is, China's influence makes them lose a lot of teeth. Hell, do you know why present day Russia doesn't remove Lenin's Mausoleum from the Red Square? Because of TOURISM. That's the official explanation, lol. Guess which country those tourists are coming form.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:55:24 No. 677715
>>677713 >glowie movement is a mass movement Screencap this yourself and keep it at an arm's reach. I want you to post this screencap when "mass movement" becomes coopted by the Western glowies as usual and starts eating people alive. I wonder if you have any intellectual honesty left.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:57:07 No. 677716
>>677715 And why is it a “glowie movement” again?
Because it happened in a country you were never paying attention to that isn’t in NATO?
Tankies have devolved to the point of supporting various factions of capitalists, fucking putinoid-dengoid worm?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:00:00 No. 677720
>>677710 >muh oLiGaRcHy good thing there's no oligarky's in libya or ukraine anymore since tHe PeOpLeS defeated ThE tYrAnTs.
oh wait, that didn't happen, they just replaced one local oligarky with another, while strengthening the much larger and much worse international oligarky.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:00:53 No. 677721
>>677720 that why you need to support the masses, not the fucking oligarchs pro-neocons and not the CIA smashies
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:02:50 No. 677723
>>677716 You are supporting American glowies by supporting overthrowing anti-NATO governments. Stop being stupid. And screencap your posts, okay?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:02:55 No. 677724
>>677682 >>677697 Bet your ass Grey Wolves/pan-turkroaches are behind these
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:04:30 No. 677727
>Russia 1917 >Still at war with Germany >Many factions vying for control after collapse of tsarist regime >leftypol: it’s leaderless and we don’t want Germany installing a puppet state in Russia, so support the western intervention, come on, seriously you guise
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:07:03 No. 677730
>>677723 How the fuck is anti-NATO when you just aren’t in NATO? And “supporting Western glowies”? You really are the sort of retard to support the German Empire in WWI, fucking moron
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:07:41 No. 677731
Da newest Politsturm shit
https://politsturm.com/protesty-v-kazaxstane-glavnoe/ >Right now, there are massive protests across Kazakhstan that have erupted in Zhanaozen over the rise in the price of liquefied gas. What can be said about the situation at the moment? >2. The protests are spontaneous in nature: they began spontaneously, do not have specific goals and unified coordination of actions. The government is trying with all its might to divide the protest, for which the Internet was turned off throughout the country. >3. A significant part of the protest in Kazakhstan is made up of workers at various enterprises. Accusations are also made against employers: for example, employees of the Kazakhmys foundry and mechanical plant demanded better working conditions and higher wages, miners of ArcelorMittal Temirtau refused to go to work and went on strike, etc. >4. The bourgeois authorities of Kazakhstan are trying to reduce the intensity of protests and are making concessions. The government resigned; the authorities promise to reduce gas prices to 50 tenge per liter. The massiveness of the protests is still holding back the bourgeoisie in the repressive suppression of protests, but the situation is heating up. >UPD: Tokayev's bourgeois government is rapidly losing control and asked the CSTO for military assistance and specifically to the imperialist Russian Federation. >5. Among the protesters, economic demands predominate - improvement of living standards, abolition of high gas prices, lower food prices, higher wages, etc. The workers are not yet fully aware of their class interests: the political slogans put forward by the protesters are still scattered and are predominantly bourgeois-democratic in nature - the resignation of the government, change of "regime" and the president. >6. The intensity of the protests and their social orientation were a surpriseeven for the bourgeois "opposition". some of the liberals are afraid of the activity of workers and their demands. Some of the frightened liberals even went over to support the ruling regime under the slogan of “keeping the crowd out of power”. Others are trying to impose their agenda on the protesters >7. The lack of a coherent political program is a consequence of the fact that the working people of Kazakhstan do not have a political organization. Without its own party and its firm leadership, things will not go beyond economic demands and petty-bourgeois political slogans. In the absence of a communist party that consistently guides and guides workers in the struggle for their rights and socialism, the protesters will inevitably fall under the influence of the bourgeoisie and be deceived. >8. However, such mass demonstrations of workers in Kazakhstan have not been for a long time, therefore, the unification of the working masses, even in a spontaneous struggle for their rights, can only be welcomed. >Given the repressive policies of the current ruling group led by the Nur-Otan party, the revitalization of the country's political life paves the way for a serious workers' struggle for their rights and socialism. >9. The growing political activity of the masses inevitably affects the political life of the entire country. If hundreds of thousands of workers, united even by spontaneous demands, were able to shake the bourgeois regime, then with the presence of their own organization, clearly knowing their goals and the path to them, they will be able to win in the struggle against all groupings of the bourgeoisie. An organized political struggle and victory can be achieved only under the leadership of the Communist Party. She's gone now. But it's never too late to work to create it. >10. The main misfortune of the workers and communists of Kazakhstan is fragmentation, lack of organization, spontaneity. We call on all conscientious readers from Kazakhstan to unite, to educate the local community, especially workers, to help organize trade unions and labor collectives, to send us news and any useful information, and also to join the work of the Politsturm in Kazakhstan. Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:12:13 No. 677734
>>677691 >because you claim the implicit advocation of the intervention of one oligarch state by another to protect oligarchy in general is a “nuanced” take, that means that’s not what is happening. you really dont know how to read. Go ahead, quote their support for anyone but the protesters, Im waiting
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:13:24 No. 677736
>>677734 Uhm
What about “glowie this, glowie that” in response to the protesters successfully defeating the government instead of being suppressed and slaughtered?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:13:24 No. 677737
>>677706 <Gaddafi is literally the same as a former Un director and Israel ally I too have many doubts about this whole series of events but this comparison is retarded.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:17:17 No. 677742
>>677649 I am a paranoid fuck who thinks the CIA is behind everything but I agree people should stop having opinions particularly sectarian and/ or ones that fit their general narrative and try to look at the facts more.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:18:58 No. 677745
>>677706 Leftypol didn’t exist in 2011, didn’t support the FSA in 2014, and the jury is out on the current thing.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:20:58 No. 677749
>>677734 Like I said, the support is implicit
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:24:47 No. 677751
Also can one of the people firmly in the colour revolution camp please give me your explanation for why this supposedly based anti imperial administration is in a tactical “counter terrorism” alliance with Israel, an economic alliance with Israel, had spin done for it by Tony Blair when they shot striking workers, and the next year banned the communist party.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:26:03 No. 677752
>>677741 Now we must know… whose side is the Kyrgystani government on?
Lads it is time we upped our Stan game. So we can decide who to Stan. I have been thinking it for a while but been too lazy. We should create a Stan general and try to gather all info
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:27:38 No. 677756
>>677736 it is not in the statement we're talking about (just 'careful they will prolly try to use this', like any trouble in the region), and I explicitly criticized the retards accusing cia like a pavlovian response
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:27:42 No. 677757
dometimes theres no side to support. sometimes its just regular people being fed up with their governments shit. Just because you live in a country that has some semblence of normality doesnt mean others do. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:27:52 No. 677760
>>677714 >Implying Tourism only exist if the tourist is foreign You know there's people who go on tourist places of their own country, right?
Do you think everyone going to the Lenin Mausoleum is a chinese communist?
Or is it maybe a place where a lot of communist gather to see in general? Like, dunno, Russian communists? Or german communists? Or whatever communists?
>Everyone is buddies with Israel and everyone came from Yeltsin era. They all are anticommunists. The thing is, China's influence makes them lose a lot of teeth. Kazakhstan's communist party is banned and China straight out supports Duterte, who is directly waging war against communists in the Philippines.
>Hurr durr real politik China isn't communist and it stopped being so before the soviet union collapsed, it's a capitalist country which seeks to help it's capitalist class. Stop supporting shit just because of real politik
>bruh they have them on a short lease. You know they could not have capitalists and be done with it, right?
>They're helping third world nations. No, they're buying and making ports, railways and mines in order to have their companies control their resources, extract them and have the chinese companies get more money. You know, imperialism in the leninist sense.
>They need capitalists enterprises to do so. The Soviet Union didn't and it literally gave away industrial equipment to third world nations if they were on their side (reason why a lot of third world countries became soviet-aligned btw)
>But uh they're fighting NATO imperialism In order to impose their own imperialism or mantain the imperialism they have going, like Germany in 1916 and Germany in 1939
Of course, not saying they're literally nazis , or like Japan in 1916 and Japan in 1933.
Seriously the simping there is for China in /leftypol/ is so fucking stupid, I swear.
Of course, we know this might be a colour revolution, not denying that, but seriously, just wait to see what the fuck happens.
I swear to god you people are retarded, US level retarded. For what I've gathered, the demands are quite concise, better wages, better pensions, lower prices, stop giving free gibs to enterprises and the goverment to be expelled. There's no shit about cutting ties with Russia, or general Russophobic agenda going on (now it has, but that's literally because Russia has sent their military to quell protesters in a foreign country).
If it's a revolt to put another oligarch in power, the situation of Kazakhstan doesn't change, if there's a war on it, that means that Uranium will become much harder to come by, which means climatic accelerationism. If the current oligarch keeps it's power (which is fucking buddies with israel, you can't say that of Belarus, or Iran, or Cuba, or fucking syria, places where real attempts of colour revolution have happened), then nothing changes.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:30:54 No. 677764
>>677751 > Is your entire argument really that China is investing in BRI there so it’s verboten to oppose the admin? Yes it literally is, and it tells you a lot about dengoids and what they actually support
Spoiler alert: Were China to execute an entire village of striking African workers, dengoids would absolutely support it and Glowzone would write an article explaining that the Africans were NATO operatives
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:34:40 No. 677769
>>677764 If the Grayzone claimed that the African workers were funded by the CIA, it's probably because they were or at the very least the they had dubious connections to the CIA. Actual Grayzone articles (not hot takes by Ben Norton on Twitter) don't make totally baseless claims.
Solidarnosc were also "workers".
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:35:21 No. 677771
>>677752 Tbf stan talk would fit better into a Post-Soviet general, allow our russkoyazychniy to connect.
As for whose side the kyrgyz are on, I would say their own: it is the only liberal democracy in central asia and they know that hteir people would throw them out if they were seen violently repressing protest in a neighbouring country.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:37:02 No. 677773
>>677769 >This is the level of Glowzone deng beetles unironically Kek
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:38:25 No. 677777
Turanic juche by 2023 etc
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:39:21 No. 677779
>>677773 So is the Grayzone Russian or Dengist? Get your story straight.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:44:26 No. 677783
Only state actors, no one else, no masses, just state actors.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:44:36 No. 677785
communists from post-soviet countries:>well, the demands of kazakh people are legit, but there is a danger of the protests being hijacked by the liberals <OMG, THE PROTESTERS ARE LIBERAL ISLAMIST NATO FASHEESTs! WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THE BASED TOKAYEV REGIME FOR THEY ARE THE BASED ANTI IMPERIALISMINO!!!1
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:45:27 No. 677787
>>677769 what glows more than Solidarnosc/ AFL-CIO is the fact this is literally the only time you people ever mention trade unions despite them being the most important mass organisation in a majority of socialist revolutionary movements that aren't Maoist peasant insurgencies. One of the earlyist things Lenin was doing was Labour organisation.
I've asked directly, where are your connections to to the CIA here, even dubious ones? Haven't them, the most damning thing is who supports them, the new york times and radio free asia and so on. What you have to remember is your average New York Times journalist is a literal burger retard, heres the country ending with "stan" followed be "protests" and immediately starts clapping based on an innate fear of asian people.
Most of these jew york times journalists won't even have looked far enough to know that the country is buddy buddy with Israel, and if they did, might start calling the protests anti semitic or some shit in their next article.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:45:41 No. 677788
>>677784 Where's the trot party tho.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:47:28 No. 677792
>>677695 >>677591 >>677731 /thread
TL:DR support the workers demands for better material conditions, reject calls for regime change
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:49:35 No. 677796
>>677779 They don’t have an ideology, they’re basically just anti-US, your blind support makes you a retard considering that
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:50:30 No. 677800
>Lukashenko with some cryptic messages: What is happening is happening as I told you before in details that it will happen. We are right now in the middle of events(Kazakhstan). We don't know what will be next, we don't understand that, but we need to be prepared for everything https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1479094331373989889 Luka talking like a schizo on /pol/
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:54:06 No. 677806
>>677794 this website looks like its from 1994 and the sourcing is terrible
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:54:25 No. 677807
So basically revolution can’t happen until there’s no bad actors in the world who *might* be able to hijack that revolution? Or it needs a leader who already has the legendary status of Lenin post-revolution but pre-revolution so we know we can trust them?
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:55:13 No. 677808
>>677807 Lenin had a legendary status pre revolution and had been engaged in underground labour and other organising for years
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:58:05 No. 677814
>>677808 Was he widely known around the globe before the revolution? Would Kazakhstan’s modern equivalent be? The only leaders we hear about are the CIA’s picks like Juan Guaido.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:01:10 No. 677817
>>677814 I mean the question is how big and independent is the labour movement now??
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:31:54 No. 677848
We live in the era of a gradually receding US imperialism which is being gradually being replaced by an actually fair and equal international economic order led by China, which is an undoubtedly good thing, but this has one downside. The national capitalist classes of each country have almost no enemies. The capacity for the USA intervene has dwindled and while the American Empire is slowly dissolving into thin air, it has no clear communist enemy to strike against. China is mostly keeping itself to slowly dismantling this empire and promoting economic development.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:34:45 No. 677850
>>677848 This. Every single word.
Also screencapping for future use.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:35:26 No. 677853
>ITT >glowuyghurs versus kremlbots
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:37:02 No. 677855
>>677851 Tokayev disbanded the government and is forming a new a new one.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:37:42 No. 677856
>>677695 Excellent post.
Reminder: when you see shit popping off in another country that you know little about, and your first thought is anything other than "what are local communists saying about this?" then you are a fool and a chauvinist.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:41:05 No. 677859
>>677760 >No, they're buying and making ports, railways and mines in order to have their companies control their resources, extract them and have the chinese companies get more money. You know, imperialism in the leninist sense. you say that like the basic infrastructure for resource extraction wasnt already set up during colonial times, and it was already happening before china showed up. Also, afaik, contrary to western nation, they leave a lot of the infrastructure in control of the country and are ok with restructuring debts without fucking over your state
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:46:14 No. 677866
>>677848 this is on the button, but with one major addition. The industrial proletariat is worldwide the biggest class in society, there is no longer the semi-feudal arrangements like the capital of the 20th century and this has come to culmination very very recently. the urban population is now bigger than the rural one and agricultural production has largely subsumed into industrial production.
The settler colonial project that built capitalist world markets is dying at rapid paces in the fires of economic and urban development. There's nowhere to go for them now, it'sall inside.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:46:38 No. 677867
>>677800 >he doesn't know Kazakhstan will be incorporated into the Union State and following a successful resolution of the hohol problem, Putang will resign and Luka will announce the reformation of the USSR
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:48:48 No. 677869
>>677695 Its sad that their party has a chance of a lifetime but they decide to do nothing. Now this will turn into nationalist against russian "peace keepers".
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:53:19 No. 677881
>>677869 but like lenin said in october 1917 "we have to wait for broad support and sit on our asses"
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:54:47 No. 677885
>>677881 A small force of professional revolutionaries took key points in St. Petersburg in Oktober Revolution. Lenin did not wait but tried many times.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:56:26 No. 677888
>>677882 Yup, sure definitely seems like a color revolution to me!1!!11!
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:56:33 No. 677889
>>677882 Oh no bot the property! Think of the wages that are lost when rioters in a different country destroys the property. Think of the business owners! Americans say as they violently oppress their own population.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:56:46 No. 677891
>>677885 I thought the irony was palpable but yeah that was my point
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:02:18 No. 677899
>>677848 >Communist should work towards overthrowing their own national capitalist classes while at the same time isolating the CIA-funded glowpposition. Literally not possible
(Glow harder) Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:03:17 No. 677902
>>677899 Yes the CIA is all powerful, it is impossible to neutralize us
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:05:02 No. 677906
>>677899 <Socialist revolution is impossible, best you can get is socdem nationalism Inspiring take
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:08:29 No. 677912
You know the whole issue of Western communists immediately calling mass protests in an "anti-imperialist"/"anti-western" country a color revolution made me think of the rightoid equivalent. They do it too, but from what I can tell it's not as often and they also tend to not always blame the same people.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:10:31 No. 677917
>>677912 >nooooo how dare you call mass protests a glowie operation! First, USA got rekt in Afghanistan, China literally came in and took over American bases there. Second, Russia entered troops to oust foreign interferences. Put 2 + 2 together, you retard.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:12:39 No. 677919
>>677912 >Ironically I didn't really see much of this during the George Floyd protests. I find it odd because it happened at a point where animosity towards China was at an all time high, maybe some anons itt saw something like blaming Chinese glowies and whatnot on Twitter or some shit but I didn't see anything like that. It's maybe because Americans are so obsessed with their own woke vs. anti-woke culture war retardation which they export everywhere around the world that the easiest explanation (it's something foreign from another country!!!) didn't even come to their mind.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:13:10 No. 677921
>>677848 CPRF holds dear to itself every anticommunist myth in existance. They even defended Memorial. CPRF is getting increasingly glowed, and they are the ones pushing anti-China message in Russia right now.
(Glow in the dark fedjacketing, bad faith rule) Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:14:20 No. 677923
>>677912 Macron called the Yellow Vests a Russian op. This plays on the capitalist realism mindset with conspiratorial characteristics where insurgencies can't be popular and have to be organized by secretive groups.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:15:04 No. 677924
>>677921 >They even defended Memorial. CPRF is getting increasingly glowed, and they are the ones pushing anti-China message in Russia right now. Wtf give me more info on this
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:15:09 No. 677925
>>677919 That makes a lot of sense actually, that culture war shit is almost exclusively an American thing that is now unfortunately becoming more common in the most Americanized countries
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:16:48 No. 677927
https://www.chroniquesdugrandjeu.com/2022/01/kazakhstan-gilets-jaunes-ou-soros-boys.html basically he concludes its organic gilet jaune moment, even if US is obviously interested and trying to coopt what he can
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:18:00 No. 677929
Not sure if it was posted earlier but the Wiki page was updated with some political parties supposedly supporting the protests. No citations though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Kazakh_protests Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:22:31 No. 677931
>>677928 Wow this is atrocious lol
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:23:13 No. 677932
>>677927 This article suggests this movement is a big opportunity for Russia to do a little empire building and stop Kazakhstan from exiting its sphere of influence. Lol imagine if it was pushed by russian glowies all along
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:24:08 No. 677934
>>677741 my sides
>>In 2010, Russia rejected a request from Kyrgyzstan for the CSTO to send in peacekeepers when ethnic violence erupted there, saying it was an internal matter. Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:29:15 No. 677939
>>677929 Nothing is cited so obviously this should be taken with a grain of salt but these look like the typical parties/orgs in a post-soviet country that NED would fund
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:30:42 No. 677942
>>677939 glowies are probably editing wikipedia around the clock to make their orgs appear there even if they have no boots on the ground
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:33:15 No. 677944
>>677848 >We live in the era of a gradually receding US imperialism which is being gradually being replaced by an actually fair and equal international economic order led by China, which is an undoubtedly good thing You are a fool if you think China will just decide to not do imperialism worldwide, which they are already doing today.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:34:53 No. 677947
>>677942 They also ban independent media outlets. You cannot get information internationally from Wikipedia unless it's from the oligarchy or the glowies themselves.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:36:18 No. 677948
>>677921 >(Glow in the dark fedjacketing, bad faith rule) WTF Jannies? That's allowed in the rules.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:36:42 No. 677949
>>677944 A naive fool, yes
The only sane position is that regardless of what China may want, America will likely be the last empire and imperialism is tapped out due to the crises of this century
Or we are in the darkest of all dark timelines and rather than destroying empire once and for all, climate change brings back slave empires and creates a situation for barbarism associated with the Dark Age
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:38:16 No. 677954
>>677948 Probably an hour ban, don't give it too much thought. It'll help to calm him down.
Anonymous ## Mod 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:40:46 No. 677957
>>677948 11, 14a
>>677954 the bans in this thread range from 10m, 20m, and one hour
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:40:52 No. 677958
>>677947 not really true, yeah they sometimes ban independent media after lengthy discussions but the reasons are generally valid. The issue is that msm like RT or NYT get a pass even if they lie all the time
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:42:37 No. 677960
>>677938 This is also an accurate description of Burgerstan these days except the men have really short beards and the women are not dominant.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:44:52 No. 677961
>>677958 >not really true, yeah they sometimes ban independent media Wrong.
They banned the Grayzone despite the fact that their articles contain multiple sources.
They will also ban "state sponsored media" from Non-NATO/Anti-US countries such as CGTN.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:44:59 No. 677962
>>677949 I don't think we could say until we've shot all the bullets in the magazine. Communists are sleeping now, we won't know what we can achieve until we've risen up and fought as hard as we can for our future.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:49:28 No. 677966
So is it true that this whole mess was caused by crypto mining faggots?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:53:35 No. 677972
>>677966 If it is. That would be hilarous considering how much the bitfags are malding right now.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:54:44 No. 677973
>>677944 > they are already doing today. Building infrastructure for cheap prices is not imperialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:56:22 No. 677975
>>677961 RT is classified as the same as Radio Free Europe, it's fine to use these in the right context as per the rules but in practice RT is widely used as a source so you're wrong. Wikipedia had grounds to make the grayzone unreliable imho, the real issue is that editors often act like the rest of MSM is objectivity incarnate. Ideally they should ban most of the medias, use press release and wait for academic papers or do workgroups to interpret primary sources in an encyclopedic way.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:56:44 No. 677976
>>677973 Extracting raw resources from underdeveloped countries without manufacturing capabilities and with very low wages is imperialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:57:17 No. 677978
>>677972 If there is one thing I will praise China for it's banning crypto. Using energy to create speculative "wealth" at the expense of society. Fucking parasites had it coming.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:01:49 No. 677980
How is a communist movement supposed to avoid aiding one imperialism or another? It's essentially a zero-sum game between the two rival bourg cartels
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:07:16 No. 677994
>>677980 The people itt and this site in general that kvetch the most about CIA sponsored color revolutions every time there are protests in a non-Western country probably don't see it that way. Or at least, if protests in the US for example end up aiding the imperialist ambitions of Russia it's seen as not that big of a deal or even a good thing.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:09:53 No. 677999
>>677980 Believe it or not Lenin was a German op
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:11:41 No. 678001
>>677999 Even revolutionary defeatism ends benefiting
some porky.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:14:38 No. 678007
>>677980 Just back the movement that isn’t confirmed as a glowing movement, in this case it’s confirmed that Russia is intervening in a mass movement occurring in a nation that is very much in its sphere of influence, while the mass movement being a NATO op is merely a schizo rumour.
Western attempts at hijacking protests are rarely subtle, look at Venezuela and Belarus, both attempts involved promoting a literal who as the rightfully elected leader in an election they also claim was rigged and therefore had completely unreliable results to draw ANY conclusions from without a second audited election.
The west is successful in overthrowing new regimes by targeting the usually reactionary military left over from the old regime or politicians who feel slighted by their positions in the new government.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:15:41 No. 678008
>>677980 Is it fucking 1917? Don't support either, support the workers. This isn't a temporary alliance with the national bourgeoisie against an imperialist invader like the Chinese communists allying with the KMT to resist Japan. The situation in Kazahkstan is that the workers are fed up and revolting on their own. Both Russia and the western imperialists own Kazahkstan and striking workers are a threat to both. Support the workers and fo not hesitate for fear of glowies glowing. The communist party in Kazahkstan has the task of getting out in the street and resisting occupation, organizing the workers. If they fail that is on them, but they sure as fuck are not glowies if they would try.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:26:27 No. 678021
>>677976 >without manufacturing capabilities They are literally helping them establish manufacturing centers.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:29:35 No. 678025
>>677975 >it's fine to use these in the right context as per the rules but in practice RT is widely used as a source Not in all contexts. It's not treated the same as Radio Free Europe.
>Wikipedia had grounds to make the grayzone unreliable imho Their arguments could be used in exactly the same way for MSM or US State-Sponsored media. Except for MSM and US state-sponsored media it's even worse.
>Ideally they should ban most of the medias, use press release and wait for academic papers or do workgroups to interpret primary sources in an encyclopedic way. I agree with you on this. However, you can tell that wikipedia is pretty much a tool of the west.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:37:03 No. 678036
Watermelon salesman stands in solidarity with the people's revolutionary former director general of UN president of kazahstan who is implementing communism and putting down violent evil terrorist with help of revolutionary Russian troops
Guys socialism is being built as we speak. Keep the pressure against the protestors!
https://twitter.com/trpresidency/status/1479144102381993987?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:37:52 No. 678040
>>677921 >>677924 I don't even know what bad faith means in this context. I didn't answer or clarify the question I've been asked? Sorry for that, but also whatever.
https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-59815965 Admittedly, it's a Komi Republic's CPRF, but come on.
Regarding anti-China messaging, all the CPRF's talking heads (except Zyuganov) are saying usual Western leftist crap about China, such as dept trap diplomacy, but with Russian specifics, like the alleged Chinese wish to annex Siberia. Also, alleged Chinese wish to annex Central Asia, which is still regarded as Russian turf, lol. In Afghanistan, they hated Taliban more than Americans. In Belarus, they were split, but all the "CPRF lite" people like Kagarlitsky were supporting protests, and before that those same people were supporting Maidan as if it was workers' revolt that got hijacked by nationalists/fascists/glowies/etc. Remember when Navalny asked liberals to vote CPRF? Isn't that a clear sign of getting increasingly glowed?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:40:28 No. 678045
>>678040 >BBC Opinion discarded
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:41:16 No. 678049
>>678025 >use press release and wait for academic papers or do workgroups to interpret primary sources in an encyclopedic way What makes you think "scientists" and "academics" are not the same kind of paid shills as journos? Wiki always uses academics to push it's point across, and it achieves the same result when they just quote journos directly.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:41:44 No. 678051
Friendly reminder that chinese glowies are the ones supporting and funding the kazakh protests
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:42:43 No. 678055
>>678045 BBC quotes Komi Republic's CPRF's opinion.
From telegram
https://t.me/justicepoet/1864 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:43:31 No. 678057
>>678021 How and what is your source?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:44:13 No. 678058
>>678055 You said so yourself that this was the “Komi Republic’s” CPRF and not the main organization
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:49:12 No. 678064
>>678052 Terry would be proud
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:49:17 No. 678065
>>678063 this literally says nothing and I am not even on the side of saying this event is an op lol.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:51:31 No. 678066
>>678060 >>678061 >>678052 >>678056 bro even though I wouldn't like being under machine gun fire I miss rioting and I kinda wanna be there, I hope there will be another movement in my country soon
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:51:58 No. 678067
>>678065 >the side This isn't a sports team spectacle. It is important for a person to have an accurate perception of what is going on in Kazahkstan but it is a simple falsifiable answer of "if these protests are an op"
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:55:10 No. 678072
>>678070 Motherfucker had moves, still can't believe it's been 4 years without him
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:57:12 No. 678075
It's not a "colour revolution" lol, Kazakhstan is already firmly ruled by compradors and bourgeois parasites who banned the communist party and plundered the Kazakh SSR.
KPRF statement on the protests.
https://twitter.com/kprf/status/1478865627632873481 https://socialismkz-info.translate.goog/?p=26802&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_sch=http It's a member of IMCWP, which is a mixed bag of anti-revisionst Stalinist chads and Dengtards.
So Dengtards and vlasovites, pipe down.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:57:55 No. 678076
>>678073 Shouldn't have told me uygha
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:58:17 No. 678078
>>678067 you said "WOWEEE" you fucking retard. If I am playing "sports" like how you suggested, you are conducting yourself as an adult with an infantile personality.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:59:19 No. 678079
>>678076 I use tor bro get fucked
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:59:40 No. 678081
>>678075 much agreed comrade
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:00:13 No. 678082
>>678073 Is rioting fun? I can't even go to protests because as a faggot in the Burger defense industry, I would get fired if the government figured out I went to protests.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:01:39 No. 678083
>>678078 >you said "WOWEEE" you fucking retard What are you talking about?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:02:09 No. 678085
>>678074 This is lowkey evil in a way. This is the nature of class warfare essentially.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:02:31 No. 678086
>>678082 You can do your own covert form of protest, also be careful posting shit like that
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:02:53 No. 678087
Noooo THIS CANT BE HAPPENING!!! law and order law and order!!!!
Get the Russian troops in there to lay the smackdown!!!
https://twitter.com/alsa3idy/status/1479150769437913097?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:03:23 No. 678088
>>678075 Interesting info, thanks for posting
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:03:52 No. 678091
>>678082 >faggot in the Burger defense industry Kys. But yeah it's fun as long as you don't get kettled or caught
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:05:00 No. 678092
>>678087 Wow, first time I've seen something like this. Usually it appears to be more common for them to switch sides but this shit about capturing them is much more war-like.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:05:31 No. 678094
Google translate from russian:
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:06:05 No. 678095
>>678093 Stop making up bullshit please.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:06:46 No. 678097
>>678093 Enjoy your dopamine hit, schizoid
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:09:17 No. 678099
>>678094 >CSTO forces not attacking protestors > The total number of killed employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Internal Troops was 18 killed and 742 wounded. Of those killed, 2 or 3 with their heads cut off This sounds lind of like RT propaganda what is the source?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:09:19 No. 678100
So this thread is now cyclical? Because someone made Kazakh general 4.0
>>677933 Anonymous ## Mod 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:11:30 No. 678103
>>678100 I meant to uncycle. I will unlock it when this one is full. Thanks
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:11:55 No. 678105
>>678093 >Deep rooter problems causing East Turkestan mess outdates the PRC by two millenias Except that the Uygurs are non-native and the Han have been there longer than the Uyghurs have
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:12:55 No. 678106
>>678102 colonel cassad supports the line of the Russian state and are affiliated with them, as seen in Donbass (fuck maidan nazis too don't get me wrong)
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:13:00 No. 678107
>>677386 You know the "protestors" have been taking guns and going rampant burning down things, right? what do you expect they are going to be treated if there were also decapitated police officers?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:17:32 No. 678112
ITS NOT THE CIA YOU IDIOTS!!
GULEN AND ISLAMIC STATE ORGANZIED THESE PROTEST!! My trustful revolutionary comrade has informed me
https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1479074343028244480?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:18:35 No. 678115
>>678107 So you advocate for killing BLM protestors too?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:19:23 No. 678117
>>678112 This uygha looks like depressed Timothy Chalamet
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:19:58 No. 678118
>>678115 BLM took bazookas and rifles and decapitated policemen? Of course is not your country.
>>678110 Ok, what about CIA ops. Better results now?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:20:22 No. 678119
>>678116 What could've been :( Haz could've gone down in history as the mongol communist guy but now he'll be remembered as the 2 holes guy
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:20:32 No. 678120
>>678115 Tfw blm is comparable to this
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:21:17 No. 678122
Did some of these uyghas really decapitate cops? Kinda barbaric but also lowkey based.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:23:35 No. 678126
>>678120 Yes. They are both spontaneous uprisings. This Kazahkstan protests are more militant, but the BLM protests got pretty hot too.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:23:57 No. 678127
>>678118 So you draw the line at anti tank weapon use by the people to justify mowing down civilians by capital militias? Good to know comrade
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:24:10 No. 678128
>>678111 I hope you’re right
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:26:12 No. 678133
>>678117 he does look like a depressed twink if that's what you are saying lol
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:26:27 No. 678134
>>678127 No, I know two things: Your protestors aren't waving a flag of socialism and communism. "Aesthetics" matter, because I have seen "just demands" all across the color revolutions, I have seen the a 7 y.o. syrian girl asking for food thanks to muh oppressive Assad.
It is not your western country which is in flames. I am tired of seeing a jerkshow here about something that doesn't have any signal of being favorable but to the U.S.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:29:23 No. 678135
>>677980 The kazakh is sub-servil to the U.S. but at the same seems to respect Russia, but at the same time its economy is highly dependant of the U.S. enemies. Pretty much the same as yanukovich in 2014, my concern is that we see, and it seems so far so, another euromaidan.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:30:35 No. 678138
>>678128 My trips say that i am right.
>>678111 We know for a FACT that the liberals support the kazakhstan government because these protestors are destroying property and hurting private businesses.
CSTO supports the government.
The communist party of kazakhstan supports the protests.
China is remaining silent because china is behind these protests.
The USA and turkey oppose the unrest because it hurts their business and national interests. Turkey supports kazakhstan because kazakhstan's government is turkic and sympathetic to EAST TURKESTAN SINKIANG UYGHUR ISLAMISTS
China is promoting regime change in kazakhstan because kazakhstan is more dominated by russia and the west than they are by chinese interests.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:34:20 No. 678143
>>678134 >It is not your western country which is in flames. I am tired of seeing a jerkshow here about something that doesn't have any signal of being favorable but to the U.S. t. burger that willfully avoided reading all the people pointing out that America owns much of the industry there and has condemned the protests publically.
You think people in Kazahkstan rioted and took up arms against the state because they love how things are going? LOL
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:34:49 No. 678144
>>678134 >but to the U.S. The US is afraid of those protests you moron they have stakes in resource extractions and investments they don't want to loose
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:37:02 No. 678147
The fact that no countries like Cuba or the DPRK have commented anything on this shit and the people that have only say vague shit about hoping things calm down goes to show how probably everyone doesn't really have a clue of what's going on. They're all figuring this shit out as it happens.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:37:46 No. 678149
>>678148 Has fled to Russia*
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:39:01 No. 678152
>>678143 >burger that willfully avoided reading all the people pointing out that America owns much of the industry See the exports/Imports trades of Kazahk.
Their economy is Chinese/Russia oriented.
>>678143 t. ukrainian
t. moderate rebels
t. guarimberos
t. iraqi kurdistan
Even I pointed out where the protestors were gathering, at a fucking holodomor memorial and one of the mods belieev that fedjacketing. In which world we support anti-communists protestors?
>>678144 No, they are not.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:40:25 No. 678154
>>678087 Why can’t burgers do this?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:40:51 No. 678156
>>678148 Does this seem like a massive overreaction (if it's true) to anyone? I don't know why this would be considered necessary, considering this shit has been going on for four days only and it doesn't seem to be complete utter chaos yet.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:45:37 No. 678167
>>678007 my nomadic ancestors are smiling imperial, can you say the same?
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:49:24 No. 678182
>>678152 China supports these protests because kazakhstan supports uyghur independence
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:49:45 No. 678186
>>678152 some guy claiming to be a protestor did a photoshoot at a "holodomor memorial"? That is not the protestors in general. Of course glowies are going to glow. These protests are a spontaneous uprising of pissed of workers striking rioting after deteriorating conditions in Kazahkstan, a capitalist comprador regime owned by foreign powers, yes including Russia and also America.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:51:10 No. 678188
>>678175 Fuck you dipshit, that's from 2016.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:52:03 No. 678190
>>678077 Me and the boys heading to get our unmarked AKs and burn down the city hall
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:52:26 No. 678192
>>678175 If only :' )
>>678183 I've also seen it in an antifada compilation, idk
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:52:26 No. 678193
>>678182 That's contradictory to this statement:
>>678112 Because ISIL is one of the separatists groups of the Xinjang province.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:54:06 No. 678197
>>678175 I WANT TO BELIEVE
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:54:39 No. 678199
>>678186 if what you say is true and the protest is spontaneous with no glow starting or backing it up, them the communists in kazakh needs to unite and act to take helm on the protest.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:55:54 No. 678201
>>678175 too based to live
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:57:08 No. 678204
>>678199 Exactly, but they are too few rn. What they can do is the proactive amnong them can go out in the street and organize, and help the protestors to stay safe and resist the occupation.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:57:30 No. 678205
>>678202 Greek Communist Party also gave their thumbs up
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:59:55 No. 678210
>>678202 I WANT TO BELIEVE
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:00:10 No. 678211
>>678204 if they all unite, even if they are few they can make noise, also they NEED to do the contrary and stop the rightoids from getting to the top and the movement cooptaded.
Anonymous ## Mod 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:03:42 No. 678218
>>677933 New thread Once this one hits 600 posts
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:03:46 No. 678219
>>677300 >socialist metaphysics LMAO
>>677649 Based. Assuming dogmatic retards need to check themselves and refrain from jumping to conclusions. Materialist analysis must be upheld.
>>677848 Great post.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:05:09 No. 678220
>>678211 Here's hoping. At least they can use the unrest as a lesson in class consciousness for the Kazahkstan working class.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:08:58 No. 678226
>>678222 >pause at the end to slide down the hill a bit lmao how whimsical
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:09:56 No. 678227
>>677787 No the point is that this vulgar position that if it's muh workers doing it, it must automatically be good and you don't have to take anything else into account.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:10:40 No. 678228
>>678219 China is also imperialist, in fact they will be the new imperialist superpower that needs to be beaten back by the international proletariat unless they return to a socialist line of development and reject national chauvinism
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:13:26 No. 678235
>>678229 (you): *supports Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan*
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:18:18 No. 678242
>>678228 In current conditions, China is incapable of being imperialist. The United States absorbed the European imperialist apparatus that was left in tatters after the second World War creating a single, super-imperialist entity which basically holds a monopoly on imperialism. All the major imperialist institutions are now under one umbrella and international law basically only allows for US-NATO imperialism. Wannabe imperialist institutions cannot grow because they're muscled out by US-NATO and cannot be enforced because they'd come into conflict with US-NATO and would immediately lose, and lose in such a way that would be several times worse than whatever they were trying to gain by enforcing their imperialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:19:24 No. 678243
>>678211 Check this out comrade, courtesy of based news anon: Statement by the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan on the situation in the country
In a statement about the large-scale mobilizations and protests in the country, the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan calls for international solidarity to the demonstrators and demands the withdrawal of troops from the cities, the resignation of all Nazarbayev officials, the release of all political prisoners and detainees, the legalization of the Communist Party and trade unions, as well as the nationalization of Kazakhstan's entire extractive and large-scale industry.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/01/statement-by-socialist-movement-of-kazakhstan-on-the-situation-in-the-country.html https://archive.is/WOmYK Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:19:45 No. 678245
>>678228 Communist countries cant be imperialist
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:19:45 No. 678246
Anti imperialist UK stands in solidarity against violent terrorist rioters challenging the Kazakhstan revolutionary government.
We must follow the party line and call for the Russian troops to put down these hooligans and restore LAW AND ORDER!
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1479169654551724039?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:21:03 No. 678249
>>678242 Imperialism does not require gunboat diplomacy. China can just outbid the west for market share in the comprador regimes, as they are doing now.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:21:33 No. 678251
>>678245 I agree. They are not communist or socialist.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:22:15 No. 678253
>>678250 Not true. Example: France in Africa.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:22:18 No. 678254
>>678245 >China <Communist Not even the CPC themselves says they are communist, they say they are in the early stages of socialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:26:12 No. 678262
>>678243 Based.
I will say it again:
I WANT TO BELIEVE!
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:26:13 No. 678263
>>678249 >comprador regimes I don't see the Chinese overthrowing governments. Nor do I see their version of the NED.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:27:13 No. 678267
>>678263 I haven't see it either but they do utilize and fund comprador regimes like in the Philippines
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:28:25 No. 678270
>>678263 > they do utilize and fund comprador regimes The Philippines is funded by China? Really?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:29:53 No. 678272
>>678253 France is a part of NATO, the American imperialist bloc.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:31:53 No. 678277
>>678270 They also sell arms to India. Actually they make deals or outright collaborate with many states that are killing maoists.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:33:30 No. 678281
>>678274 Kautsky lived before WWII. If he said something like that, it was wrong for the time he lived in, but came true after WWII. Things change, you see. It's wrong to read theory like the Bible and assume that imperialism is and will always be like how Lenin described it in 1917.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:35:29 No. 678284
>>678281 Just like it's wrong to assume that the conditions which predominates in the immediate postwar conditions apply today.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:37:32 No. 678287
>>677876 >give citizenship (and therefore rights) to migrant laborers from Kazakhstan Yeah, not gonna happen
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:38:24 No. 678290
>>678284 The only significant thing that changed after the postwar period is the collapse of the USSR, which massively strengthened the position of the US-NATO imperialist bloc. US-NATO is *stronger* and *more hegemonic* than it was in the postwar period.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:40:54 No. 678294
>>677881 Lenin had a party, these guys have a book club.
What they're saying in the post is that they don't currently have an organization sufficient to do shit about the protests one way or another.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:53:48 No. 678304
China
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:59:53 No. 678309
where is the riot kino
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:01:12 No. 678311
>>678154 >Why can’t burgers do this? Something something the poor something something something temporarily embarrassed gorillionaires…
t. Steinbeck
maybe Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:02:00 No. 678314
"The US holds a monopoly on imperialism">Israel has entered the chat >Saudi Arabia has entered the chat >Turkey has entered the chat >Iran has entered the chat
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:03:12 No. 678316
>>678314 Iran is not on the same level as first three.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:08:49 No. 678331
>>678328 I'm saying it's not good to make that equivalency.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:12:20 No. 678335
>>678156 Things are shaky right now so they are playing it safe, at least with their families.
But it shows that this is more than the sunday protest, and more than some gilets jaunes.
what is the current info on the bloc intervention?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:18:55 No. 678348
>>678202 Meanwhile, which communist party is not supporting it? That's right, CPUSA lmao.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:32:34 No. 678370
Unlock the fourth thread uyghur jannies
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:34:13 No. 678378
>>678348 right now the KKE is the only major ML party officialy supporting this i think the other parties are still debating
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:39:05 No. 678385
>>678378 when I said not supporting I mean supporting the Kazakhstan government, sorry
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