Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 12:57:57 No. 677631
They entered the job and housing market.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 12:59:11 No. 677633
>stop living at home >Have to find a job and a house for college/work <Wait a sec this sucks dick
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 12:59:31 No. 677634
>>677625 >Why do young people, who don't have capital and were never taught how the market works, not like capitalism? It's a mystery.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:00:43 No. 677635
>>677625 > Why did the generation zyklon meme fail so hard? Half of Gen Z is some type of non-white person and most of Gen Z has absolutely nothing to gain from capitalism since the system offers pretty much nothing to proles these days
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:01:25 No. 677639
>>677635 >>677634 >>677633 >>677631 The question isnt just why zoomers are leftist, but how people thought the opposite was actually going to happen
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:02:23 No. 677641
>>677639 Because people were morons that thought high school internet usage was a good predictor for a person’s politics upon reaching adulthood and actually struggling to survive on your own
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:04:14 No. 677643
>>677639 Because polyps are fucking retarded and Marx was right
>Ideology comes from material reality, not on its own You can propagandise all you want but the working class will always have an inherent drive towards ideologies that benefit them. Propagandising against healthcare and social security only works for petit and regular bourgoies elements in society. Once the kids leave their online echo chamber they realise they actually do want free healthcare and workers rights.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:10:33 No. 677646
>>677639 did anyone outside of some retards on pol tho
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:15:59 No. 677652
>>677646 Literally no
There was never any indication of Gen Z being right wing anyway
Sure, lots of suburban white boys in Gen Z were posting le based Trump, le Day of the Rope memes, but again, half of Gen Z are non-whites
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:26:27 No. 677670
>>677639 >how people thought the opposite was actually going to happen Because teenagers rebel against their parents. Especially when things are not going well. The kids of a purple haired they/them single mom who's greatest achievement is putting up a BLM sign in their government subsidized house. Those kids probably will be attracted to non-mainstream ideas.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 13:27:23 No. 677671
>>677625 first it always was wishful thinking from poltard, second its obvious given the current exploitation leftism would get way more popular
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:26:27 No. 677753
it was always just bullshit coming frrom obvious nazis trying to pretend they were becoming popular regardless of what reality said and if you believed otherwise for even a moment you're a retard
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:38:18 No. 677776
>>677670 >Because teenagers rebel against their parents. Is this really true?
When I was a kid, my politics were really my parents petite bourg boomer politics, with aesthetic differences.
If I'm being completely honest in retrospect.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:45:19 No. 677786
>>677728 Tim Tool is one of the least intelligent political commentators on the internet. If you take what he predicts and bet the opposite will happen you will make a fortune.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:46:24 No. 677791
>>677625 >Was this just a bunch of hyperonline weirdos yes, stop listening to /pol/
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:50:00 No. 677798
>>677776 >When I was a kid, my politics were really my parents petite bourg boomer politics, with aesthetic differences. Yes, when you're a helpless child you typically think and say things that your parents approve of because without them you can't survive. Then when you're a teenager you get ready to jump into the world alone by rebelling somehow, either anti-politics or anti-religion or different music or whatever. That's generally what happens.
So now that millennials are ultra-woke everything is politics, it's not unreasonable to think that the next generation of teenagers will be anti-woke reactionaries. The only thing preventing it would be the woke-corporatists trying to keep an iron grip on media and culture platforms.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:50:21 No. 677799
pol thought edgy teenagers would never leave their adolescence.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 14:53:24 No. 677805
>>677798 Bro, it's not so simple as that, people don't just automatically go 180 degrees from their parents' ideology.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:18:14 No. 677839
>>677798 This is retarded liberal bullshit. You don't "do the opposite of your parents", kids just go along with the social issue zeitgeist while parents stay behind on their own social issue zeitgeist. Woke kids of today are just as intolerant as their parents in different fields, and they will be the out of touch conservatives of tomorrow. In the end, wokeism and conservatism is all just liberalism and most sjws are petit bourgoies as fuck just like their parents. Case in point, half of all hipsters became reactionary as shit, all still bourgoeis cunts.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:36:45 No. 677854
>>677805 >>677815 You're both being too 1-dimensional. I said teens will rebel
somehow .
>anti-politics or anti-religion or different music or whatever Since millennials have turned literally everything into politics it seems possible that politics will be what zoomer teens rebel on even if it wasn't what previous generations rebelled on.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:42:37 No. 677860
Internet echo chambers caused it. You put 20 suburban white kids in the same Diskord server and suddenly they think they're the voice of the discontented masses, and that internet activity equals actual IRL impact. The middle aged Qoomers and Trumpoids have done more in 4 years than the younger white suburbanites ever will.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:45:34 No. 677864
>>677839 >hipsters became reactionary as shit I was wondering what happened to hipsters.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 15:55:41 No. 677887
>>677798 A teen is a kid. Just replace what I said with student instead.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 16:03:20 No. 677903
>>677639 Because traditionally, young people rebelled against their parents, so therefore people figured this equation:
Most millennials being leftist/social democrat + them having kids and these kids being raised online = conservative Gen Z.
What people didn't consider was this is idealistic as fuck and never accounted for reality which is growing up in late-capitalism.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:01:55 No. 677981
It was always just boomer groomers and that one neglected kid they managed to lure into their telegram group
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:04:51 No. 677990
>>677643 This but also even kids I went to highschool with were sympathetic to communism and thought fascism was some creepy school shooter shit
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:06:30 No. 677992
>>677652 This but even white kids grew up hating the right. I grew up in a very conservative city and schooling environment and even then all the kids though the right was retarded, odious, and above all lame
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:40:39 No. 678046
>>677860 >they think they're the voice of the discontented masses 70 million people did vote for fuck-the-establishment-Trump regardless of how many times the establishment media tells you such people don't exist.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 17:41:16 No. 678050
>>678046 Ooh, such a majority
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:13:12 No. 678108
>>678046 Some perspective: 70 million Trump voters is 21% of the U.S. population. And they also skew older. I also recall a statistic that Trump performed worse with white voters under 30 than previous Republican candidates.
Anyways, I was reading an article this morning about weird tradcath Republicans in their twenties. The article described them as weird rich kids who are both too weird for their age cohort but also too weird for the Republican base who vastly outnumber them and have a fratty libertine ethos dedicated primarily to scandalizing overbearing libs and flouting their social norms and niceties.
These guys aren't going to the Latin Mass or reading some canonical Catholic doctrines. For them, libido and stupidity holds sway.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:25:25 No. 678130
>>678080 >only 70m people vote for him You realize that's more than Obama.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:59:05 No. 678209
>>677625 >Was this just a bunch of hyperonline weirdos mistaking chan/fbi.gov/etc. memes and creating an extreme echo chamber, disconnected from most normie zoomers? Yes, nothing more.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:01:35 No. 678212
The redscarepodcast is where the real power of the next right is generally going to be at. They have the power to use post-irony and insincerity (They disdain sincerity unironically) to turn zoomers and millennials into reactionary people who watn to go out in the woods and destroy civilization because the liberal friends they live out in the city with are annoying.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:03:35 No. 678217
>>678212 >redscarepodcast Were they always reactionary? I thought they started out vaguely socialist. What happened?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:08:51 No. 678225
>>677625 Because 1. /pol/ are dumb as fuck and thought one isolated study of UK teens from 2016 was proof positive of a larger trend because it fit what they saw in their online echo chambers, 2. zoomers are insanely diverse as a generation so wignat cultural reaction isn't going to land with a lot of them, and 3. zoomers can be incredibly precocious when it comes to keeping up with current events thanks to the internet and they know that climate change is going to fuck them over and they want both answers and the asses of the people responsible for it on a silver platter
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:10:58 No. 678230
>>677625 It was a forced meme riding on a wave of optimism in the wake of Trump's election
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:12:00 No. 678231
>>678217 Because anna and dosha are hipsters and much like hipsters they just do the opposite of whatever the mainstream is (While also ignoring anything that actually challenges the mainstream)
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:14:04 No. 678236
>>678217 spooked by idealism
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:15:20 No. 678239
>>678130 boomers vote more see:
>>678108 Also Republicans use voter disenfranchisement to turn away low income and democrat voters, especially in the South, the dems do not challenge them on this at all.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:19:43 No. 678244
>>678225 White zoomers are 50/50 however. I think that more white zoomers in say south carolina voted for the Republicans than the white Millennials did there.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:25:56 No. 678261
>>678256 based
sincere uyghas
no need to front
just chill and drink juice
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:27:42 No. 678268
>>678244 half of white zoomers are like that, yeah
the other half are like
>be white and in high school >your friend groups contains a bunch of brown people and maybe a couple of openly LGBTQ kids depending on where you live >they are your emotional support system for getting through the alienating hell that is high school >some incel freak in a kekistan shirt saunters up to you and says that you should let some of your most cherished friends die horribly in an ethnic purge in order to preserve "white culture" >the predictable happens and you tell them to fuck themselves in the ass with a chunk of rebar Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:21:58 No. 679147
>Now some stats say 70% of western zoomers are social democrat, socialist or communist.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:51:30 No. 679364
Like other rightoid ideologies, it was idealism propped up by memes
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:04:31 No. 679382
>>679352 picrel
>>679147 I found this on
DuckDuckGo , June 2021:
https://www.axios.com/millennials-vote-socialism-capitalism-decline-60c8a6aa-5353-45c4-9191-2de1808dc661.html Some extracts:
>The big picture: 50% of millennials and 51% of Generation Z have a somewhat or very unfavorable view of capitalism — increases of 8 and 6 percentage points from last year. Meanwhile, the share of millennials who say they are "extremely likely" to vote for a candidate who identifies as a socialist doubled. Caveat: American colloquial definitions of socialism and etc. are often different to ours. Regardless, it's a positive sign.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:08:49 No. 679388
>>677776 Did your generation not have goths or punks?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:12:29 No. 679395
>>679388 Nah, most goth and punk kids were absorbed by the scene kid subculture
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:17:40 No. 679401
>>679382 Frankly this polling (and a bunch of other polling from Pew) is all evidence for Zoomers being marginally more right-leaning than millennials (but they are younger, so factoring that in, it becomes a notable difference).
Gen Zyklon was obviously bs, but millenial age group is the one that is going to be most anti-capitalist as capitalism had failed them. Zoomers were born into this shit.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:19:12 No. 679403
>>678256 >See, I would advice the left to do the exact opposite of this and embrace sincerity. We're lucky because we have lots of simple clear credible evidence, strong IRL cases of why this is important (esp in USA without welfare capitalism) and tons of theory.
The point being, we can attract all kinds of people, while the further right will only attract the naive and the dumb, and unless the naive are dumb they won't stay for too long. Edgy online teens go right, adults swing left. It's a total inversion of le young college leftist meme!
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:58:32 No. 679442
>>677639 >>677652 one of the first surveys into gen Z had results saying they didn't want tattoos, didn't want to smoke weed, and wanted to save money rather than excessively spend. I don't remember who conducted this survey but it was one of the first of its kind.
now, /pol/ being what it is, they took this and ran with it thinking they discovered a new generation of natural neo-nazis rebelling against their SJW parents. it's total twisted fantasy alienated from reality and they mostly realized that after a while
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:00:00 No. 679444
>>679442 oh and something else I remember about that early survey is it specifically focused on British youth
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:14:29 No. 679458
>>679444 stfu tripfag but nice GETs
7ko 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:31:13 No. 679470
Is Gen Z the negation of the negation after all?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:47:12 No. 679482
Reason being is the right already played their hand and most youths who may have been right wing have wound up TRULY becoming RED pilled.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:56:03 No. 679493
>>679482 >2. Being drunk on victory, /pol/yps go hard on the "meme magic" creating Kekistan, trying to turn more symbols into that of white supremacy etc. This finally accumulates with the Charlottesville rally. >3. Charlottesville rally shows these fuckwits on display- they look like unhinged and pretty much lose in the battle of optics. Doesn't help that they also are responsible for people dying. Very related:
>>>/siberia/199071 I also think the last two years have SIGNIFICANTLY radicalized people across the board. aiding the epiphany of point 6.
I really hope 7 is a real witnessable thing; you don't hear much about it in media or where I live. Critical reminder that Free Breakfast for Kids program make BPP into the biggest internal security threat to the USA, in the FBI head's own words.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:21:50 No. 679514
>>679382 its not from june, its dated "Oct 28, 2019". its still referencing the 2020 primaries in the article as well
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:31:14 No. 679563
>>677639 They were probably raised on that TV show where Michael J. Fox is a Reaganite, so they thought the new generations would be le baste right wingers like them.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:39:27 No. 679570
>>677854 Plenty of people don't rebel at all though and basically just become carbon copies of their parents.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:21:25 No. 679596
>>679570 this basically, 90% of people just end up like their parents or at least the average of the area they live in anyway, unless they are hyperonline in which case they get it from the internet
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:48:21 No. 679645
>people born after x year are magically different to people born before x year
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:48:57 No. 679646
>>679442 By now I do know /pol/ and 4chan in general outright despises Gen Z
I’ve seen a few threads on r9K about Gen Z (r9K is a /pol/ colony these days) and they were ranting about how they’re idiots and woke scum and the zoomers there were claiming to hate their own generation
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:50:52 No. 679648
>>679645 >magically Yet another leftypoler that genuinely struggles with the concept that people born in different times, with different cultures, and different conditions of living also inevitably have different ways of thinking
I’m guessing you’d call it idpol if I pointed out the Lost Generation thought differently from us too, right?
What about people in the Middle Ages?
What a shitty, idpol idea to think that as rate of social change accelerates the difference in views between generations becomes more and more extreme
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:50:59 No. 679649
Barely anyone is right wing. They are just overepresented in the bourgeoisie and class collaborators and there for appear more popular than they actually are. Most kiddos are left, don't blame them for pol which is mostly retarded and misanthropic landlord boomers and retarded and misanthropic millenial failsons.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:52:48 No. 679652
>>679401 Gen Z will likely be most anti-capitalist actually, just because the future of capitalism is a trend towards increasing instability and falling living conditions basically forever
Remember that unlike millennials who were brought up having faith in the system since they grew up in the 90s and early 2000s, zoomers grew up in the 2000s and 2010s when the system was already in chaos
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:55:21 No. 679654
>>679652 bros… i'm weak… i wanna go back to the optimism of the 90s…
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:34:07 No. 679705
>>679654 life will be fucking awesome under socialism with a planned economy. Take any problem in your life and it will probably be significantly relieved under advanced socialism… Will we live to see it? Perhaps, perhaps not. But future generations will for sure
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:36:59 No. 679707
>>679705 Okay, optimism is cool and all, but there’s no reason to believe this mate. It’s unironically like Christians literally thousands of years ago saying Jesus will return any day now. Please don’t turn Marxism into some Second Coming tier shit, millennialism is cringe.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:37:20 No. 679708
I read some paper about how the concept of "generations" (in a cultural sense) was bullshit and used to distract/divide. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:40:27 No. 679711
>>679708 Lots of people have claimed this
The problem with a claim like this is that it’s effectively stating that the culture one grows up in and the historical events you witness in your life are irrelevant
This is utterly nonsensical
You cannot argue that the generation who experienced WWII and the generation immediately after were the same, because they had vastly different experiences
It is an argument that is genuinely claiming that what you experience in life is irrelevant, which is pure nonsense
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:12:20 No. 679751
>>679652 >ACHSKUALLY Don't be that guy
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:39:45 No. 679787
>>679705 I believe socialism will be sweet, but it just doesn't look like we're really on track towards it right now
DeutscherSchizoSPam 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:44:17 No. 679793
>>679711 well the problem with your claim is that its idealistic obviously culture shit etc has some significance but its not the most important thing people have vastly different material realities for example WW2 was important for that generation mainly bc of the material consequences for the people
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:47:21 No. 679795
>>679793 I know it's hard to swallow, but sometimes and especially for people who are well of, the economic base takes a less prevalent role than the superstructuree in shaping their experience as for someone who is a poorfag. That doesn't mean that the base doesn't exist though
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:06:45 No. 679854
>>679793 You know it’s funny
I never considered how much the perspective of people here revolves around the notion that the world is, in fact, identical to the world of either 1870, 1917, or 1945
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:55:52 No. 680012
Despite that it seems like 4chan is just growing in posting and people told me that Alexa isn't really a good source of how popular a site actually is. There was an article saying that the CIA is boosting it's posting powers but who knows.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:35:07 No. 680097
>>677639 Literally nothing but wishful thinking and confirmation bias.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:42:50 No. 680113
>>679707 I was entirely serious. Name one problem that won't be solved under advanced socialism I'll wait.
>>679787 It will be some time but we are building and fighting for a future for our descendants. Even if you don't have kids yourself you can help guide the next generation of communists and build the apparatus they will need to win the class war and build socialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:47:48 No. 680118
>>679867 Yeah it's also not true though. I grew up in probably a more conservative environment than most of the people here and none of the people I knew were right wing. Friendless future schoolshooters are not a majority of kids. Aside from misanthropy most right wing politics are imposed from above and it has been that way throughout history. The only reason anyone here thinks right wing politics have any kind of mass support is because of lib and conservative msm gaslighting them that it is, and being in close contact with terminally online pol freaks that think their own politics are mainstream
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:56:21 No. 680131
The people who believed in generation Zyklon would happen wouldn't survive a day in Franco's Spain even they are very socially progressive compared to conservatives of old
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:03:44 No. 680140
>>680113 > Name one problem that won't be solved under advanced socialism I'll wait Socialism really IS a religion for you, isn’t it? Like the Second Coming?
Do you know how ridiculous you look pretending like “socialism” is inevitable? You’re so without self-awareness you can’t even comprehend what I was actually saying is that whatever you desire isn’t even necessarily inevitable.
Why not just embrace Christianity if this is how you are?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:15:49 No. 680161
>>677633 >>677625 The answer you seek, OP, is in understanding material conditions. Simply put: the material conditions are WORSE now than they were for millennials when they came of age.
>>677670 Teenagers are passionate. They don't take shit. However, they are not literally fucking retarded as you imply. This may be true for you, but recognize that there is a significant difference between your generation and gen z: gen z grew up online and has a hyperawareness of how things are.
>>677746 >bro just become a communist Becoming a communist is not a simple, uninvolved undertaking. A real Marxist-Leninist organization will tell you, straight-away, that being a communist, that is being a member of a communist party, is a lot of work and that it isn't for everyone. Communists are willing to take on recruits and are very interested in training new cadre but they put applicants through various tests and "are you sure…?" questionnaires because they are cognizant of the fact that being a communist is kind of a job in terms of level of responsibility. Some communist organizations will straight-up tell you that you should join the DSA instead if they don't think you have what it takes to be a communist. They will train new recruits (candidate members) but at the end of the candidacy period they may tell you either that you should continue training (meaning that you are not educated enough to be a communist) or that you should consider merely being a friend of the party instead of being a party member. For some people, becoming a communist would upset their opportunities for employment or naturalization. Communist orgs are acutely aware of this and they would prefer if people were merely friends of the party than members if being membership is not the right fit.
>>680140 >I don't understand historical materialism, you can't make me understand, I'm not listening, na-na-na-na-na la la la la la la i can't hear you Christfag Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:18:27 No. 680171
>>680161 Is “historical materialism” a secular religion where you delude yourself into believing socialist society is somehow inevitable rather than a
potential future people actually need to fight for?
Because I have absolutely no interest in the dogshit pseudo-religion tankies believe in, I much prefer scientific socialism that doesn’t center around treating politics like religion and political events like spiritual awakenings while denying you’re doing so
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:21:41 No. 680181
>>680171 based take that will inevitably be met with REEing by tankies and dengoids
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:23:41 No. 680183
>>680140 >> Name one problem that won't be solved under advanced socialism I'll wait >Socialism really IS a religion for you, isn’t it? Like the Second Coming? So you have none?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:23:57 No. 680184
>>680171 >>Is “historical materialism” a secular religion where you delude yourself into believing socialist society is somehow inevitable rather than a potential future people actually need to fight for? >>I much prefer scientific socialism that doesn’t center around treating politics like religion and political events >>I much prefer scientific socialism >does not appear to know what historical materialism is opinion discarded. please read the following:
>origin of the family, private property, and the state Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:25:03 No. 680188
It is a shock how the left is getting popular despite how embarassing it is. It's totally filled up with SJWs and other cringelords, what the fuck is the explanation of that?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:25:14 No. 680189
>>680171 Obviously socialism needs to be fought for and built, and we may not see it in our lifetimes as I eluded to in my previous posts you replied to.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:26:10 No. 680190
>>680188 most people lean left even if establishment libs try and turn it into a freakshow spectacle
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:28:54 No. 680191
>>680183 First off this
>Name one problem socialism WON’T solve Shit is the kind of nonsense that leads people to asking retarded questions like whether owning dogs is socialist, if bedtime and schools will be banned in socialism, if ugly people will get laid in socialism, if people stop saying no good very mean things in socialism, etc.
Secondly my point is that you’re so stuck in your own way and your own dogma (something you’d deny) that you couldn’t even see what I was actually saying, which is obviously that things like “socialism” and “communism” are not actually inevitable, but just potential futures that can be built, just as there are many potential futures that can hypothetically be built, and ironically the only future currently being worked towards on a global scale does not actually seem to be the one you personally desire
>>680184 Oh fun, the next totally predictable card in the idiot tankie deck
>Uhhhh, since I can’t articulate my own position you uhhhh just read these books from a literal century ago that still don’t pertain to what you actually criticized me for <Yea obviously uhhhhh the only way someone can criticize the stupid shit I’m spewing is that they haven’t read all the 19th Century books I read, yea that’s it! >>680189 Just like how 1,000 years after Christ failed to return Christians finally started accepting that maybe he won’t be back in our life, but surely he’ll return inevitably, one day, eventually, for sure
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:32:07 No. 680197
>>680191 i don't disagree with you
t. tankie.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:35:20 No. 680202
>>680197 Note I do not think Marxist Leninist = Tankie
I actually don’t really disagree with the ideology of Marxism Leninism, the best works regarding 21st Century history and society I’ve read were all written by Leninists with the exception of Desert by Anonymous
I guess I mean more a very very specific type of “ML” that are more about aesthetics, slogans, and dogma than anything else
Like notice how this dude is telling me to reread 19th Century texts based off 19th Century anthropology I have read already (largely for fun) rather than anything written in this time pertaining to the specific issues of our current world
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:36:42 No. 680204
>>680191 >>Name one problem socialism WON’T solve Actually I said
> Name one problem that won't be solved under advanced socialism I'll wait I said it this way intentionally. And you still haven't given me a single reason
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:37:05 No. 680205
>>680197 tankie doesn't mean anything, read a fucking book
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:38:55 No. 680210
>>680204 >And you still haven't given me a single reason You still haven't given me a single problem that won't be solved under advanced socialism
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:39:21 No. 680211
>>680205 i call myself a tankie because i get called one for saying that we shouldn't kill every chinese person just because the NED said they were bad. It's just a fuck you to libs.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:39:47 No. 680212
>>680171 brainlet take on historical materialism and by the way thats not just for "tankies" but literally just basic marxism
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:40:51 No. 680214
>>680212 I think anon is just being autistic, idk if he's actually rwad any marxist theory
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:41:36 No. 680218
>>680210 Problem regarding what exactly?
The reason questions like these are retarded is because there are innumerable things I can name, violence will likely persist in some form even if war went away, death would still exist, mass extinctions could still happen on Earth and threaten our species, people will still have personal problems
The issue with this question is that you aren’t asking me specifically which problems caused by capitalism will cease to exist, you’re asking me to explain why socialism won’t be heaven on Earth and it’s quite similar to asking me to prove God’s non-existence
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:48:48 No. 680234
>>680212 I know what historical materialism is you fucking faggot, but inevitable salvation from all suffering, actual socialism as a form of society itself being inevitable? No, I would not say that’s a part of it. Those things are not “history” they are hypothesizing about the future. Or more accurately they are telling prophecies of the future when you treat your personal desires as inevitable. And of course if you can claim this inevitability will simply happen when we are all dead rather than in our lifetime, well, what actually
is separating you from a Christian at that point? Because you hate Christians? Muslims do too, and they’re hardly different.
>>680214 Funny how this is the only cope leftypol has when someone tells you that you’re being nonsensical
I’ve read Marxist theory, in fact I’ve done you one over and at least read Marxist theory written in
this century, fucking crazy thought, innit, to read modern literature. The difference between you and I is that I didn’t go on to start treating it as a new religion to guide my life, fill me with “hope”, and determine my faith in some inevitable paradisal outcome or some other horseshit. I just kept using it as a method of analysis and explanation for the modern world. Because I never approached Marxism personally as a means to find a new faith, idk about you in that regard.
But hey, I’ll do you a favor and at least link you a text written in
this century I’ve read, maybe you’ll find some useful information from a book written with 120 years of hindsight that Marx and Engels didn’t have, but I highly doubt it tbh, after all, it isn’t part of the official canon
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:55:48 No. 680244
>>680218 >violence will likely persist in some form even if war went away It can be vastly minimized to the point of extreme rarity by proper communal planning and lack of want between people, antisocial genes that dfive people to senseless violence will get CRISPRed out
death would still exist
Perhaps not. You could gradually replace people's brains and bodies with artificial components or use gene therapys to heal damage done to bodies by stressors and sesenescance. People will be able to live a lot longer with no necessary limit to human life
>mass extinctions could still happen on Earth and threaten our species How? They will be accounted for and prevented using the vast resources at humanity's finger tips for humanity's cause celebre
>people will still have personal problems perhaps but these two will not be nearly as problematic as so many tragedies and hardships are solved and an abundance of resources leaves man without want
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:58:44 No. 680251
>>680234 You are being unrealistically pessimistic and yes a bit argumentative and autistic
I am approaching this question through a materialist lense and have few presumptions
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:05:01 No. 680261
>>680234 didn't Althusser already say history was contingent and historical materialism was just a description of history not a model with predictive power?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:08:59 No. 680269
>>680188 Because what we talk about is actually relevant to people's concerns
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 05:44:54 No. 682776
>>677639 It's mostly happening to late Zoomers and gen Alphas. Especially normies. They are exposed to shit on Tiktok, Twitter, Instagram, etc., so that's what makes them rightoid.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:22:10 No. 682848
>Now some stats say 70% of western zoomers are social democrat, socialist or communist
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 07:02:00 No. 682910
>>682848 Since you brought up the 60s/70s, there's an impression that the leftist student movements were a majority of the youth at the time, which is just not true at all. I sometimes think that the right-wing youth today mimic the 60s/70s New Left in some respects – like being totally in love with themselves and getting carried away with it before a blackpilled crash, thinking they're at the wave of a big thing that washed up and then receded just as fast. Also really voluntaryist and adventurist and making all kinds of political mistakes, and a lot of the "freak out the squares/normies" belief in counter-culture power that seems silly on the left today.
I have a theory that I'm not sure has been written that the far right today mimics the New Left because both are/were reacting to traditional institutions of their camp going into decline. For the New Left, that was labor unions and old-style communist parties, reflecting in the "unstructured" philosophy of the New Left. For the far right, I imagine it's the decline of church attendance, and corporate monopolization choking off barriers to entry for middle-class white smol bidness owners who would've in the past been structured politically into their local Chamber of Commerce.
For me, what I think the left should do is seek the "negation of the negation." The New Left in the 60s negated the Old Left in the 30s, but to move forward is to dialectically "synthesize" the two, dropping the bad elements of each while combining the good elements of each into a new unity.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 07:21:59 No. 682929
>>682910 I am afraid the current left hasn't learned anything and we just reverted back to early 20th century.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 07:26:28 No. 682935
>>682910 No offense, but this isn't something new. Infact the thinkers of the european new right(which the alt-right tried to model itself after), explicitly said, they wanted to mimic the tactics of the new left and install their stooges in the intellegentsia.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 07:49:28 No. 682954
>>682929 Well, then we've gotta fix it!!!!
>>682935 I admit to checking in on Spencer sometimes because I think he and a few guys around him have flashes of insight from time to time (mostly their complaints about the right) despite my severe disagreements with what they represent. But I saw this the other day and it's very Nouvelle Droite, yet I think there's truth in what they're saying here. You can have a bunch of right-wing people sitting around consuming Tucker Carlson and getting pissed off about outrage-triggering stuff in the news, but it doesn't lead anywhere. Like, imagine still getting outraged about the news, y'know? Or how we've gotta save the SUBURBS from the DEMONCRATS.
Being far-right weirdos, though, they understand the power of myths and narratives to inspire people. One of his followers even replied with a Mayakovsky quote: "our songs are our weapons." Mayakovsky was a pioneering communist artist in the USSR in the 1920s. (Spencer's follower who quoted him is a Russian guy which is why he's familiar with the dude.) Like, they're so canceled and checked out of the right that they can kinda look at their problems somewhat objectively and look at some our strengths also somewhat objectively. And I think they're… right. That is a strength of ours. Far better to share the gifts that we have with each other in a common culture than stew about "current events."
<Our gold — our voices — just hear us sing! https://www.marxists.org/subject/art/literature/mayakovsky/1917/our-march.htm Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 07:50:27 No. 682956
>>679482 The only people who will ever be able to have /pol/yps have their fascist fantasy is by joining the corporate dick sucking ironically enough. Historically both the German Nazi state and the Italian Fascist state were corporatized nations. We hear all this garbage about "big tech" and "le evil joo corporations" when hilariously enough, the only way for polyps to ever win power is through literally becoming Amazon lovers, big tech lovers, Bill Gates lovers etc; gain corporate support and you'll win. Fascism has no legs to stand on as a power except through the corporations.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 12:10:23 No. 683217
>>682954 this is all idealist cope
the "left" is winning in america as porky sees them to be a more stable pair of hands to steer the ship of state without casing too much discontent
ditto for keith starmer
none of this ebin culture war bullshit
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 03:23:35 No. 684519
>>678212 I've had this morbid fascination with the RSP sub these past few months. Reactionary post-left lunacy aside, it's a fascinating case study in how the internet has warped social dynamics.
They're absolute psuedointellectual poseurs only concerned with their consensus of what's 'cool'. Like they will have a "what's your favorite movie/album/whatever" thread and the majority of the posts will be apologetically saying "I know this isn't cool and its lame of me to like this stuff but my favorite thing is x y and z". Like they have to self-flagellate for being sincere or for having an honest interest in something. Most of them pretend to have taste they think is "obscure" or esoteric, yet in reality is just surface-level artsy stuff.
Or someone will state some little-known fact about something to advance a conversation, and the replies will all be like "I would be embarrassed to admit I knew that". Like it's cooler to just wallow in your granstanding ignorance. And god forbid you try actual activism or political organization, which *obviously* makes you lame and cringe. It is peak white girl lunch table energy, which they are aware of, and pride themselves on.
It's like a living parody of internet communities, they are in a giant contest to see who can seem the more disengaged and ironically-detached. the funniest part is when they start clout posting about "I've been here longer / adhere to 'red scare values' more than you". It's mixed in with a lot of wannabe esoteric spiritualism, which they also feel superior about.
Truly sad stuff, really hammers home the reality of our situation. What's even worse is that I've seen people rehashing memes and opinions from there and passing them off as their own.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 10:04:23 No. 684945
>>677903 Gen X are the parents of Gen Z, not millenials. The oldest millenials maybe have Gen Z kids, but most parents of zoomers are Gen Xers which AFAIK had no particular political bent?
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 10:31:44 No. 684967
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Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 06:44:50 No. 692096
>>682776 Tiktok/Insta has a lot of leftist content now too
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 06:50:35 No. 692098
probably was echochambers. everyone i know my age irl except for 2 guys (both happen to be hispanic catholics) either don't care or are libs/dem "socialists". i met a few people who i suspect may have been actual communists but never got to know them that well and didnt ask
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 10:18:53 No. 692207
>>677625 Finding memes funny when you're 15 does not translate to being a right-wing nutjob when you're 20. The fact is that while zoomers are conservative in some aspects, they are far more progressive than millennials. In fact, I expect most posting ITT are zoomers. The fact is that we're moving left, slowly but surely, and the right is running out of steam. This is why they are becoming more authoritarian in their politics, because they know that in one decade, most of the shit they push will not be tenable.
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