Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:41:19 No. 678392
Kazakhstan superpower 2030!
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:44:40 No. 678398
I want to believe edition?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:46:32 No. 678402
Making all the big powers seethe because they won't have their sweet chromium/uranium/oil is objectively based
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:47:21 No. 678403
No idea what's going on.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:51:22 No. 678408
>>678397 kek
>>678398 For the legalization of the Kazhak communist party edition
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:51:26 No. 678410
Kazakhstan abolished the death penalty 7 days ago
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:54:13 No. 678416
>>678408 If the current government survives this shit they aren't legalizing anything and rather would crack down harder on any org that voiced their sympathies to protesters.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:54:53 No. 678419
>>678410 hilarious if true
this is shaping up to be a real clusterfuck
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:56:33 No. 678425
>>678408 Could also be clusterfuck edition
Looking like it won't be nothingburger or cuckdan edition though, which is good.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:57:02 No. 678426
How's /biz/ and bitcoin going?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:35:07 No. 678483
>>678477 I really want her to vore me.
I hate having autism sometimes.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:48:39 No. 678502
Dozens of protesters die yesterday and who knows if not more all according to Kazakhstan police themselves not United States media
The United States secretary of defense response? No condemnation about it call for sanctions or belittling of government instead he shows support for them getting law and order back
https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1479122316617564161?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:49:42 No. 678504
>>678378 The RCWP-KSS, the largest anti-revisionist party in Russia, just sent out a solidarity statement
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:49:48 No. 678505
>>678502 I… Want… To… Believe…
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:50:25 No. 678507
>>678499 >sending in military confrontations to the mass demonstrations against economic conditions so that people know very clearly who their enemy is the booj really have a deathwish huh
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:51:21 No. 678508
>>678499 those armed forces look incompetent as fuck, they must mow down unarmed civilians if they advance in line like that out in the open, and those trucks chaotically parked very close to each other…
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:51:32 No. 678510
>>678504 I want to believe so hard.
Please. Please. Please.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:54:13 No. 678515
>>678502 Anyone who is still saying this is a color revolution should be fucking embarrassed.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:54:35 No. 678516
Wouldn't it be funny if this turned out to be an actual proletarian uprising and retarded western MLs and dengoids started backpedalling haha
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:54:36 No. 678517
>>678502 >Communist parties declaring that they stand in solidarity <Us distancing itself <Uk reaffirming ties with Kazakh government Probability of glow just dropped from 80 to 50% IMHO.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:56:49 No. 678522
>>678516 The retard rusophiles are exposing themselves.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:58:01 No. 678527
>>678517 The only thing that glows is the full support to the Kazakh government by the entirety of international capital, there is no vulgar imperialism there but simple and raw class contradictions exploding in violence, the historical party against the party of order
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:58:12 No. 678529
>>678521 Haha yes calling it a colour revolution the instant the news came out is totally patiently assessing the situation
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:58:14 No. 678530
>>678517 Oh fuck i forgot that even Turkey declared that they stand in solidarity with the Kazakh government.
This is kinda real, isn't it?
Please don't give me hope
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:59:01 No. 678531
>>678516 Dengoids support the protests because the kazakh government supports uyghur independence.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:59:33 No. 678533
>>678516 I am just an observer, my opinion doesn't matter since I have 0 information about what's actually happening but hope this does have good ending for the people of Kazakhstan. But I am worried with how many foreign actors are in the country since that can cause a lot of consequences for the economic and health of the country and revolution
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:02:09 No. 678539
So, let's try to understand a bit the situation:
1. No bloody Bong news about it. At least not the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation, not Very Long Penis of a Melanodermic Man) nor ITV
2. RT is all about "muh windows and glasses getting broken"
3. Al Qae… Ehm, Al Jazeera, I don't know because I haven't watched their Newshour today, and the short bit I tuned in, it was about the fucking 1/6 in Burgerstan last year
I mean, is there some fucking website with at least slightly reliable takes about Goga Ashkenazi's native land right now, or ar we going to rely on the mummified KKE from Athens to tell if things are going in the right direction or not?
>>678426 I hope the all kill themselves, tbh.
>>678441 That would be based.
>>678477 Lolz!
>>678483 Tell about your fantasy in detail. I'm hearing about this vore thing more and more and I'm getting curious what's that make people horny about fantasising about getting swallowed by someone else…
Btw, in terms of look, I get why she gets the attention of many horny men, yet her voice is tremendously off putting. I mean, Hispanic women usually talk with a lower, sexier, warmer tone. Even if they don't look great, their voices alone can give you a hard on. Yet, when they burgerise, they get that fucking heady, high-pitched, bimbo voice…
>>678497 But weren't the magatards after Mike Pence, after all?
Pic unrelated
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:04:04 No. 678546
A Color Revolution or a Working-Class Uprising?: an Interview with Aynur Kurmanov on the Protests in Kazakhstan Today all post-Soviet mass-media and TV channels are riveted to the protests that suddenly engulfed Kazakhstan. To some they arouse hope, to others – horror and rejection. There are contradictions and different interpretations of what is happening: righteous people’s protest, clan wrangling, conspiracy of pro-Western and pro-Turkish forces or even “Islamist reaction”. But what is really happening? A Zanovo-media correspondent interviewed Aynur Kurmanov – one of the leaders of Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan.
https://lefteast.org/a-color-revolution-or-a-working-class-uprising-an-interview-with-aynur-kurmanov-on-the-protests-in-kazakhstan/ Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:04:18 No. 678547
>>678539 When the other FSLNanon gets in the thread you know shit is real.
Btw great taste with picrel anon.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:06:02 No. 678548
>>678539 Please read my thread. It's full of sources.
>>678257 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:09:41 No. 678554
>>678548 Kazakhstan is literally the least religious Muslim state in the world
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:16:49 No. 678567
>>678564 I feel like killings just gone extra judicial, the state and porky already assassinated the head of Socialist Movement Kazakhstan in 2012 and they didn't need a trial do it
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:20:20 No. 678575
>>678548 When I show up, shit can't possibly be more serious than that.
And I post some nasty pussy. >>678547 >muh thread Please, just post the stuff here, this is Kazakhstan General, don't behave as a (you) addicted.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:20:21 No. 678576
reposting this
https://vk.com/red_yurt A VK group of Kazakh communists. Follow them for more news
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:22:50 No. 678578
another repost from the old thread
KPRF Statement:
"Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov on mass protests in Kazakhstan"
https://twitter.com/kprf/status/1478865627632873481 Translation/ Summation (not mine:
https://twitter.com/NarchoArmChair/status/1478868119808614400 ):
"The unrest in Kazakhstan, in fact, was provoked by the government itself, which inflated the price of gas by a factor of two. This has hurt many segments of the population, since more than 60% of the consumption of liquefied gas accounts for motor vehicles. At the same time, it is obvious that citizens' discontent is of a broader nature: the prices for everything are going up, while the salaries are low. In general, the oligarchic capital, which has established itself in the post-Soviet space, does not take into account the interests of working people. All of this has led to mass protests. Looking at what is happening in Kazakhstan, there is something for Putin and Mishustin to think about. Prices are skyrocketing in Russia too [..] It is the oligarch's free reign that leads to such consequences. The powers that be are actively exploiting this by declaring a hybrid war on Russia. This time they are trying to take over Kazakhstan, rich in natural resources and having the longest border in the world with our country - more than 7,500 kilometers. It is important to understand that there will be no peace in our expanses without close socio-economic and political-diplomatic ties with the CIS countries. We are encircled by NATO from all sides. The collective West will do everything to destabilize the situation."
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:25:28 No. 678581
>>678567 If they start extrajudicial killings the glowie media's hands are tied
Not to mention, extrajudicial killings will only make the dissidents angrier
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:25:31 No. 678582
Da newest Politsturm shit
https://politsturm.com/protesty-v-kazaxstane-glavnoe/ >Right now, there are massive protests across Kazakhstan that have erupted in Zhanaozen over the rise in the price of liquefied gas. What can be said about the situation at the moment? >2. The protests are spontaneous in nature: they began spontaneously, do not have specific goals and unified coordination of actions. The government is trying with all its might to divide the protest, for which the Internet was turned off throughout the country. >3. A significant part of the protest in Kazakhstan is made up of workers at various enterprises. Accusations are also made against employers: for example, employees of the Kazakhmys foundry and mechanical plant demanded better working conditions and higher wages, miners of ArcelorMittal Temirtau refused to go to work and went on strike, etc. >4. The bourgeois authorities of Kazakhstan are trying to reduce the intensity of protests and are making concessions. The government resigned; the authorities promise to reduce gas prices to 50 tenge per liter. The massiveness of the protests is still holding back the bourgeoisie in the repressive suppression of protests, but the situation is heating up. >UPD: Tokayev's bourgeois government is rapidly losing control and asked the CSTO for military assistance and specifically to the imperialist Russian Federation. >5. Among the protesters, economic demands predominate - improvement of living standards, abolition of high gas prices, lower food prices, higher wages, etc. The workers are not yet fully aware of their class interests: the political slogans put forward by the protesters are still scattered and are predominantly bourgeois-democratic in nature - the resignation of the government, change of "regime" and the president. >6. The intensity of the protests and their social orientation were a surpriseeven for the bourgeois "opposition". some of the liberals are afraid of the activity of workers and their demands. Some of the frightened liberals even went over to support the ruling regime under the slogan of “keeping the crowd out of power”. Others are trying to impose their agenda on the protesters >7. The lack of a coherent political program is a consequence of the fact that the working people of Kazakhstan do not have a political organization. Without its own party and its firm leadership, things will not go beyond economic demands and petty-bourgeois political slogans. In the absence of a communist party that consistently guides and guides workers in the struggle for their rights and socialism, the protesters will inevitably fall under the influence of the bourgeoisie and be deceived. >8. However, such mass demonstrations of workers in Kazakhstan have not been for a long time, therefore, the unification of the working masses, even in a spontaneous struggle for their rights, can only be welcomed. >Given the repressive policies of the current ruling group led by the Nur-Otan party, the revitalization of the country's political life paves the way for a serious workers' struggle for their rights and socialism. >9. The growing political activity of the masses inevitably affects the political life of the entire country. If hundreds of thousands of workers, united even by spontaneous demands, were able to shake the bourgeois regime, then with the presence of their own organization, clearly knowing their goals and the path to them, they will be able to win in the struggle against all groupings of the bourgeoisie. An organized political struggle and victory can be achieved only under the leadership of the Communist Party. She's gone now. But it's never too late to work to create it. >10. The main misfortune of the workers and communists of Kazakhstan is fragmentation, lack of organization, spontaneity. We call on all conscientious readers from Kazakhstan to unite, to educate the local community, especially workers, to help organize trade unions and labor collectives, to send us news and any useful information, and also to join the work of the Politsturm in Kazakhstan. Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:26:09 No. 678583
>>678578 I wonder where are the ones that constantly repeat that KPFR is a tool subservient to Putin. Did they suddenly die?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:26:17 No. 678584
What has China said about this
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:26:26 No. 678585
https://qhp.kz Can anyone access the People's Party website? or is the kazakh internet still down?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:27:15 No. 678588
>>678583 It’s kind of clear from that last election that KPRF is full of new blood and Russians who genuinely want communism, people who say otherwise are retarded contrarians
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:27:35 No. 678589
>>678575 I believe you got your quotes wrong, anon.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:27:47 No. 678590
>>678575 bros why are euroasian women so beautiful? holy fuck
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:27:48 No. 678591
This is cool and all but what's the word on the ground? Did the military crush the armed protestors already?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:28:32 No. 678592
>>678578 Half arsed to say the least.
Btw, what if, instead of fizzling after a few days or bringing to a regime change of any kind, the thing devolves into a full blown civil war with obvious foreign intervention Syria style?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:28:54 No. 678593
>>678581 Well their strategy seems to be "shoot everyone outside until no more protest". People can be angry all they want, it's hard to fight a (partly foreign) military force who doesn't hesitate to mow down people in the street with automatic weapons.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:29:15 No. 678597
from the old thread
>>677695 What is happening in Kazakhstan? Why did this happen and what is the position of The Red Yurt?
We receive dozens of messages with questions: "What is going on there?" With this post, we want to express our position on what is happening.
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0) The people of Kazakhstan groan under the yoke of the bourgeoisie. Every wave of devaluation, another jump in prices hit the working people. Go through the chronicles of labor over the past few months and you will see that the capitalists, taking away from the working people the gains of Soviet power, drove people into poverty, despair and anger. Constant cuts in social benefits, fines, falling wages and glaring inequality could not go unanswered indefinitely. Although the temporary lull gave the impression of boundless patience among the people, we understood that at any moment a storm could break out, and now - this happened.
1) The unrest that swept through large cities and small towns was preceded by a series of strikes.
Here and there, workers rebelled against bestial working conditions and meager wages. It is obvious that the socio-economic situation of the masses of the people pushes people to fight for their rights. It is also known that any economic struggle always develops into a political one. No one, however, expected that the events would take on such a massive and rapid character. Another, local, as it seemed at first, surge of discontent in a small city in the west of the country, caused by an increase in prices for liquefied gas, in a matter of days grew into protests that swept almost the entire country. Despite the fact that Zhanaozen residents remember the bloody massacre of ten years ago, they again dared to go to the squares. This time they first expressed solidarity and support for small towns, and then large cities in the west. Soon Zhanaozen attracts the attention of the whole country. The government is backing down, but then political slogans are added to the economic slogans and it is no longer about gas, but about changing the ruling regime.
2) Suddenly, Zhanaozen was joined by a regional center close to it - Aktau.
Later, people began to gather in other cities of Western Kazakhstan. Soon, in many major cities of the country, in both capitals (Almaty and Astana), people began to take to the streets in support of protests in the Western regions. Most of the demonstrations were peaceful, but on the last night in Almaty they escalated into mass riots.
3) The authorities have taken the dual position of "carrot and
stick". On the afternoon of January 4, it is announced that gas prices are returning to the old ones, the government is resigning, and with the other hand communication is turned off, entry into cities is blocked, special equipment is introduced, and threats of criminal prosecution are heard. Now the situation seems to be leveling off for the authorities. Protesters have already been dispersed in many cities, and, most importantly, in both capitals it is already relatively calm.
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1) Competitors.
When the first protests began in Zhanaozen, the liberals sang an old song, saying that it was not the workers themselves who were protesting, but they were being attacked by competing corporations and firms.
No one has evidence for these allegations. The New Year's price increase was indeed sharp and unfounded. It is becoming obvious to people that with gas prices, the prices of all vital goods will soar. The notorious middle class becomes poor, and the poor become beggars.
Opposition.
It is not the first year that the odious fugitive oligarch Mukhtar Ablyazov has been broadcasting from Western Europe - a kind of cross between Navalny and Khodorkovsky.
Despite the fact that in Kazakhstan it is outlawed, thanks to financial levers, Ablyazov has his own manual organization in the country. Nationalist movements are still strong in Kazakhstan. Both of these forces immediately began to try to ride the wave of popular protests and impose their slogans. So far, Ablyazov has achieved only a lot of information noise, and Mamay - one of the main nationalists - was detained by the police.
As long as the spontaneity and disorganization of the protesters indicate that these unrest was not originally organized by anyone, it is indeed a disorderly popular
uprising. But then there was an aggressive vector aimed at riots and vandalism, introduced, apparently, by these opposition forces.
3) Provocateurs.
As soon as the protests began to take place in Almaty, the intensity of cruelty immediately intensified.
There were all sorts of provocateurs and instigators of the crowd. It is possible that these people are government workers who will give room for more decisive action on the part of the military and police.
4) Hand of Moscow / West / Beijing / Washington / Erdogan.
Of course, in any protests, someone from the outside is found to
blame. Even when workers in Zhanaozen went on strike, there was a lot of conjecture, attempts to link unrelated events and blame anyone but the chosen economic model. There is no evidence that the current strikes or protests will dramatically benefit any country. It can be taken into account that Kazakhstan is the most open country for investment; Here, Chinese, Russian, American, and British companies host as at home. Nothing needs to be captured. Through pleasing power, everything can already be bought.
5) Determination on the part of the Kazakh authorities.
We must understand that Nazarbayev is not Yanukovych, it is rather Pinochet.
If it is necessary to shoot the crowd, Nazarbayev will shoot it, without looking back at the "Western partners". He is a tough Eastern tyrant and a cunning politician of Lukashenka's level.
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1) Of course, we support the workers of Kazakhstan in their fair demands.
It is time for the oligarchs and the state power that represents their interests to finally listen to the needs of the people!
2) But we cannot yet go to the protest itself as an
organization. We clearly understand that we do not have the broad support of the popular masses, who are not yet aware of the class nature of the contradictions that led to the conflict. Decades of anti-communist propaganda contributed to this. If we take to the streets now, we are likely to become a toy in the hands of nationalists and pro-Western oppositionists. People who seriously claim that we can take to the streets and "catch the hanger" are dreamers.
3) Even if an unlikely scenario occurs and the current Kazakh government is overthrown, nothing will fundamentally change for us - for the Communists.
It's just that there will be other people at the feeder.
4) We are against coups d'état without changing the
formation! We advocate radical transformations of social and political life that will improve the lives of the working majority, provide guarantees of social protection, access to quality education and health care. The problem is not the individuals in power, but the world's dominant socio-economic system. And it can be changed only if the whole nation realizes it, and only in alliance with the working people of other countries. That's what we have to work on.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:29:30 No. 678598
>>678591 wait til the morning bruh
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:31:10 No. 678601
>>678599 >In this situation, there is a danger of violent suppression of all protests and strikes, and here it is necessary to completely paralyze the country with a general strike. Therefore, it is urgent to form a unified action committees on a territorial and production basis in order to provide organized resistance to military and police terror. Oh yeah let's get those dialectics in motion
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:32:35 No. 678605
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/06/egypt-protests-hosni-mubarak-sulieman A reminder that Hosni Mubarak was supported from the beginning in the arab spring, and only swung when they felt a more right-winger puppeteer from the Muslim Brotherhood could take power.
(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Morsi )
Trotskyite by the time were saying it was based and you should support these things.
>>678588 >people who say otherwise are retarded contrarians Ah, I see, you just accommodate whatever swings your position.
Stop your hype.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:33:18 No. 678606
>>678601 >A general strike >Committees on a production basis (literal soviets) >To provide organized resistance These people are GIGAbased.
I wish all the best to them.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:33:59 No. 678608
>>678591 Due to the internet blackout information is scarce, if the reports of 20 or so dead cops are right then it has been way more violent than thought thus far. There are also reports of blockades around various aeroports too. Also you got to remember that Kazakhstan is a very sparsely populated country, there could be a city that is Free Territory 2 Turanist Boogaloo and we wouldnt know about it.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:36:03 No. 678612
>>678583 I mean, they were usually called "the controlled opposition" more than being a tool of the government. They always stood in opposition against Putin but often they weren't as radical as it was necessary or were willing to make an appeasement with the government. Plus the Zyuganov's lovestory with the orthodox church, mixing communism with russian nationalism more than it's necessary etc., it also plays a role.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:36:13 No. 678613
>>678605 >Trotskyite by the time were saying it was based and you should support these things. So what you want to support a neoliberal fascist government backed by Russia, Israel, Turkey and the US just because you don't like trotskyists? Doesn't sound very dialectical to me
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:38:30 No. 678615
>>678613 From what i could understand these people are not even fully Trot.
FFS they joined the same international as KKE which is literally Stalin:The Party.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:38:58 No. 678616
>>678615 (But maybe I'm wrong and there are multiple socialist movements down there)
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:42:46 No. 678620
>>678615 The KKE is infinitely more moderate than Stalin. Nowadays it's sectarian nonsense anyway, in the end when the class peace time bullshit is put aside the formal party program is always the same: it revolves around making worker councils and taking over the state with those.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:44:00 No. 678623
>>678610 *Nomad chads
Not all Central Asians are descended from Mongols
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:44:56 No. 678624
>>678620 Still, it exist because it refused to bend over to eurocuckmunism.
So while pretty moderate by Chadlin standards its gigabased compared to basically western org.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:46:25 No. 678627
>>678622 >let's support imperialism against workers because geopolitics is complicated and something happened on the other side of the world one ok agent
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:49:40 No. 678630
>>678627 workers? what workers? have you seen flags of unions, socialist references flags, or reference to workers in any of the public videos?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:51:40 No. 678631
>>678630 yeah, im sure its the bourgeoisie battling the police on the streets right now
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:54:50 No. 678634
https://youtu.be/6SZuFi9htLA I NEED this playing over the horse riding video someone posted in the last thread
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:56:03 No. 678638
>>678631 >implying alienated people against their own class can't exist, and hey can't serve to one of the ruling parties interest. >and meanwhile no signal of communist uprising anywhere. As I said, stop the hype. The only things we have so far is a random page claiming to be the representation of the kazakh communist party, with no proof of many of the claims they do there, and the support of the loldead KKE that couldn't even avoid the arrival of a massive rightwinger after Tsipiras, which couldn't stop paying the debt to the debtors.
Also, as I said, when hosni mubarak faced the first arab spring protests he had U.S> full support until a full right wing party emerged. Don't hype yourselves. Just post facts.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:58:27 No. 678643
>>678638 i forgot that workers only become workers when the holy light of marxism-leninism-pol potism has shined upon them and they have larped for at least 2 years and also must carry red flags to be actual workers
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:02:28 No. 678647
>>678638 >Also, as I said, when hosni mubarak faced the first arab spring protests he had U.S> full support until a full right wing party emerged. Didn't the US support Morsi's removal by the army? Pretty sure the Muslim Brotherhood had ties to Iran and were not favoured by the US.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:02:42 No. 678648
>>678643 Ok, go ahead, hyper-hype youself, or whatever dude.
I don't want to bring again the proofs of krainian communist party claiming the beauty of the euromaidan protests, all over again (which the mod deleted in the thread 3.0). Fuck they even drafted one of the resigns for the government of yanukovich.
Go, and hyper-hype. "Hopefully" this is not a euromaidan.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:03:15 No. 678650
Russian Communist Workers Party (RKWP-KPSS) "We stand in solidarity with the struggle of the workers of Kazakhstan!"
The Russian Communist Workers' Party (RKWP-KPSS) expresses class solidarity with the striking workers of Kazakhstan
Statement of the Secretariat of the Central Committee of the RKWP-CPSU
The beginning of 2022 in Kazakhstan was marked by a workers' strike in the Mangistau region. The reason for the speech was a shock jump in gas prices - two times. And the real reasons are that the 30-year domination of capitalism in Kazakhstan has led to an enormous growth of social contradictions. The luxury of the elite is side by side with the poverty of the working masses. People are especially hated by the prosperity and reign of the Nazarbayev clan, the former secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan, who turned from a comrade into a master and guarantor of the exploiting class
The strikers' first demands were purely economic - lower gas prices for consumers, higher wages and better working conditions. A strike began in the workers' town of Zhanaozen, well-known to us and to the whole world, where in 2011 a many-month strike of oil workers took place, brutally suppressed by the authorities. The protesters were shot at. Dozens of workers were killed, hundreds were arrested and imprisoned. The RCWP, ROT FRONT and many communist and workers' parties of the world then expressed fraternal solidarity with the strikers, an angry protest against the inhuman reprisals, and carried out numerous support actions. Representatives of our party, with a real risk to their lives, went to the scene of the events, where they met with workers' leaders, handed over material support, and expressed a strong protest to the regional authorities.
Events unfolded rapidly. Since the authorities as usual did not react in any way to the protests of workers, in just a few days the strike covered the entire region, and then escalated into mass unrest. The workers were supported by city dwellers, then workers in many regions of Kazakhstan went on strike in solidarity with their class brothers. The authorities indicated their readiness to make partial concessions. But the workers and the rising people were no longer satisfied with pitiful handouts from the master's shoulder. The authorities began to pull troops to large cities. And then the protesting masses of Kazakhstan literally revolted, already putting forward political demands for the resignation of the country's government and the departure from power of the hateful Nazarbayev clan.
The authorities were really afraid of the strength of the united people, the president satisfied all the economic demands and sent the Government into resignation.
However, one cannot calm down and celebrate victory. Power in the country remains in the hands of big business. The troops have not been returned to their places of permanent deployment. The enterprises are in the hands of the former owners. The authorities have already turned to their CSTO partners for help, who understand the danger of an example of a popular uprising for other republics. It should be understood that the bourgeoisie of Kazakhstan crossed the line already in 2011 by shooting the workers of Zhanaozen. Today they will probably stop at nothing. At the slightest opportunity, all the concessions snatched from the gentlemen will be taken back, repression will return with the same fury. Capital cannot exist without exploitation. Therefore, the workers need to organize themselves into class organizations and fight not for a change from one clan to another, but for their workers' power. The communists understand that these protests cannot do without the participation of other capitalist clans opposing the Nazarbayev family - the synchronization of the protests and the one-sided orientation of slogans was too obvious. It is no secret that for many years in the territory of the former Soviet republics various NGOs, funded by capital, have been working on the training of universal activists, incl. large foreign states. Activists have their own headquarters, finances, connections and at a certain moment they try to ride the protests and take them in the direction their owners need, reducing everything to replacing one ruling clique with another, but leaving inviolable the relations of private property. Any mass action by the people awakens various social strata to political life. Our party expresses unconditional support to those working people who is fighting against the abominations of capitalism and the ruling elite who have lost all shame. We see in their struggle the growth of the self-awareness of the working class, the acquisition of invaluable experience of successful struggle and the awareness of the need to organize the class. Of particular importance is the awareness of the need for class solidarity, the transition from demands for one master to demands for the entire ruling class, and from purely economic demands to political ones. We strongly condemn the actions of the declassed elements, provocateurs and marauders who joined the popular protest, discrediting the actions of the multinational proletariat of Kazakhstan and making it easier for the authorities to forcefully suppress strikes, rallies and demonstrations under the guise of "protecting the population from terrorists." We see in their struggle the growth of the self-awareness of the working class, the acquisition of invaluable experience of successful struggle and the awareness of the need to organize the class. Of particular importance is the awareness of the need for class solidarity, the transition from demands for one master to demands for the entire ruling class, and from purely economic demands to political ones. We strongly condemn the actions of the declassed elements, provocateurs and marauders who joined the popular protest, discrediting the actions of the multinational proletariat of Kazakhstan and making it easier for the authorities to forcefully suppress strikes, rallies and demonstrations under the guise of "protecting the population from terrorists." We see in their struggle the growth of the self-awareness of the working class, the acquisition of invaluable experience of successful struggle and the awareness of the need to organize the class. Of particular importance is the awareness of the need for class solidarity, the transition from demands for one master to demands for the entire ruling class, and from purely economic demands to political ones. We strongly condemn the actions of the declassed elements, provocateurs and marauders who joined the popular protest, discrediting the actions of the multinational proletariat of Kazakhstan and making it easier for the authorities to forcefully suppress strikes, rallies and demonstrations under the guise of "protecting the population from terrorists." Of particular importance is the awareness of the need for class solidarity, the transition from demands for one master to demands for the entire ruling class, and from purely economic demands to political ones. We strongly condemn the actions of the declassed elements, provocateurs and marauders who joined the popular protest, discrediting the actions of the multinational proletariat of Kazakhstan and making it easier for the authorities to forcefully suppress strikes, rallies and demonstrations under the guise of "protecting the population from terrorists." Of particular importance is the awareness of the need for class solidarity, the transition from demands for one master to demands for the entire ruling class, and from purely economic demands to political ones. We strongly condemn the actions of the declassed elements, provocateurs and marauders who joined the popular protest, discrediting the actions of the multinational proletariat of Kazakhstan and making it easier for the authorities to forcefully suppress strikes, rallies and demonstrations under the guise of "protecting the population from terrorists."
We see that it is still far from the revolutionary situation. So far, the workers of Kazakhstan have neither an organization, nor, moreover, a communist consciousness. But they took a step forward in their struggle, and this step must find our support.
The authorities of Kazakhstan and the bourgeoisie of the Russian Federation with one voice are diligently bypassing the class essence of events and are trying to reduce their assessments to intimidation by the "Maidan". In the ranks of the protesters, pogromists and nationalists are already playing a provocative role. This is a well-known tactic of the bourgeoisie - to distort the essence of events, to reduce them from the class struggle to conspiracies and coups. The communists have already learned lessons from the events in Ukraine and have long warned that even if there was no Maidan, it would be profitable for the bourgeoisie to invent it as a scarecrow.
We know that every step in the class struggle is a step forward. Today they will learn to make limited demands, they will feel their strength, having achieved a reduction in prices and the resignation of the government, tomorrow, you see, and a party with knowledge of the way will be found, - they will figure it out and go further - to socialism.
We protest against the use of CSTO forces as gendarmes!
We protest against the interference of the Russian Federation in the affairs of Kazakhstan and the possible use by the Russian authorities of the experience of the bloody suppression of the indignation of the people in October 1993.
We demand from the authorities of Kazakhstan not to allow repressions against the people, we demand the release of all political prisoners, incl. convicted of participating in the Zhanaozen protests in 2011
We demand freedom of action for trade unions, the abolition of bans on the activities of the Communist Party of the Republic, legalization of the actions of the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan;
There is no fascization of the CSTO regimes and authorities!
Long live class solidarity!
Long live proletarian internationalism!
Workers of Russia! Rise to the fight against the power of capital together with Kazakhstani class brothers!
https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2022/01/06/с-борьбой-рабочих-казахстана-солидар/ Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:03:24 No. 678651
>>678589 What do you mean, anon?
>>678590 I don't know if she's "eurasian". Anyway, in that region in the last 2000 years there has been a succession of Iranic, Greek, Turkic, Mongol, Chinese and Russian people and god knows who else. There's no doubt Central Asia has a lot of top quality pussy.
>>678623 Manas, the national hero of Kyrgyzstan, btfo'd the Mongols, just to clarify that no, it's not at all a big Mongolia from the Caspian Sea going east. Btw, I seem to have spotted an actual Mongolian anon recently, he could jump in to clarify some stuff. Even though right now it's early morning in East Asia…
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:04:16 No. 678653
>>678648 The US government has a limited ability to intervene in this crisis; the United States has little influence in Kazakhstan, and it does not even have an ambassador there at the moment. In addition, many of the tools that the United States would normally use in this kind of situation (i.e., sanctions) are poorly suited for the Kazakh case; major American energy companies are deeply integrated into the Kazakh economy, and sanctions on these industries would risk production shortfalls that could impact America’s European allies. In addition, given the Russian sensitivity to the perception that the United States supports so-called color revolutions in the region, support for the Kazakh protestors is liable to increase tensions with Moscow, an unhelpful step in the current environment. The best approach for the US government here is likely to be a hands-off one, at least until more is known about the developing situation.
— Emma Ashford
We should be concerned about chaos not destroying the significant achievements of the people of Kazakhstan. It is a large country—three time zones—with considerable resources of oil, gas, uranium, wheat, and many other important commodities. It has an educated and tolerant people that suffered a lot in the Soviet era. The United States should definitely collect and analyze information, talk to everybody, protect considerable American investments there, and support sovereignty, territorial integrity, and the secular nature of Kazakhstan—which has excellent relations with the United States.
— Ariel Cohen
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-streets-of-kazakhstan-are-in-chaos-heres-why-the-west-should-be-watching/ Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:04:59 No. 678655
>>678648 i dont know what you are on about
i just pointed out that the protests are most likely carried out by workers
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:05:23 No. 678657
>>678647 >Muslim Brotherhood No, muslim brotherhood is the opposite, they are backed by Qatar and Turkey:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood >>678647 >Didn't the US support Morsi's removal by the army? In the beginning, no. See link here:
>>678605 Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:06:56 No. 678659
>>678648 >krainian communist party claiming the beauty of the euromaidan protests Euromaidan protesters demanded membership in the EU, Kazakhstan protesters demand price controls and higher wages.
Stop and think for a fucking second what the difference is.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:07:37 No. 678661
>>678654 That's a yurt breh
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:10:03 No. 678664
>>678553 the virgin riot gear vs the CHAD STICK
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:10:51 No. 678666
>>678659 >Stop and think for a fucking second what the difference is. >euromaidan protester >by extension they were saying it would bring better wages, better products, etc. Am I the on not thinking for a second here?
I said that Bana al-Abed was also dying of hunger, too.
Can we be less dense?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:18:46 No. 678683
>>678553 Fuck that was difficult to watch. How can you keep beating a guy to death that's already down like that?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:23:13 No. 678688
>>678666 Cursed post, those protests are totally different in goals and structure, maybe they share the same wish to "end corruption" but that's it. There were prominent politicians, a lot of powerful orgs behind, a big media campaign and a huge backing from the west for euromaiden because people wanted to enter the EU. In Kazakstan we're in the case of a spontaneous worker based revolt: the protesters have no big orgs, no foreign funding, they are opposed by virtually all the countries around and all the important nations in the world because if they win it fucks all the international capital since what they essentially want to do is to take a share of the profits
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:25:44 No. 678692
>>678688 100 percent this. You would have to be arguing in bad faith or playing contrarian to take a rational of the situation and deduce that this is a colour revolution. There are mich more convincing lies you could tell to smear the protestors anyways.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:26:50 No. 678693
So who else is iwanttobelieve gang?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:30:53 No. 678701
>>678506 The shot of that buckled throne at the bottom of the stairs at 55 seconds is pure kino
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:32:53 No. 678706
>>678693 I don't think the protest will accomplish much but believe it is a good development.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:33:43 No. 678707
>>678697 I mean I don't think BLM is as much of an issue in Kazakhstan
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:34:17 No. 678709
>>678697 I see what you are saying in principal. Idk what this specific cop is like anyways. I wouldn't even necessarily by opposed to his execution but him falling and begging for his life helplessly while he's beaten to death with a stick for minutes is hard stomach and I can see neither utility nor honor in doing so. I would have been one of those guys trying to protect his life.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:35:23 No. 678712
So, let me run wild with the immagination…
Scenario 1.
Russia just intervenes to take the Russian-majority areas which, iirc, are most of the border areas with Russia itself in the north; basically, what they should have done with Ukraine many years ago, difference is they'll actually set up some functional state, obviously a puppet state, but definitely something more upscale than the "people's republics" they half arsedly support in Donetsk and Lugansk; maybe there'll be even some actual annexation, a la Crimea. The rest of the country… I don't know…
Scenario 2.
Whatever the depth of the Russian intervention, things go Syria-like and a protracted war starts. Regional/tribal divisions become important, plus other foreign players start getting involved like the Gulf States, possibly larping as some kind of "Islamic solidarity" even if wahhabism and shit like that seems to have never been a thing in Kazakhstan, with some fuckers from Ukraine and Georgia joining just to trigger Russia, Turkey and Azerbaijan will do they Pan-Turkist/Pan-Turanist shitshow, plus some other bordering ex Soviet state trying to get something. Obviously, the Nato-sphere will join forces with some oligarchic faction plus they'll use some assets they surely have on the ground a la White Helmets. China will do they wise thing (wait and see) or maybe some do limited intervention just to liquidate ETIM bases inside Kazakhstan and then quickly ride away in the sunset.
Scenario 3.
Bonkers:
Daddy Xi instigated everything from the start and at the right moment China will go in, annex the entire country, rename it as Xinxinjiang (New New Frontier), gets a shitload of money out of gas, oil and uranium, use the money to buy up Southern Russia and Ukraine (at a discout price) and set up the northern branch of the new silk road directly to the border of the Eu, with no middleman anymore. >>678668 If that's the deal, it's based. Unconditionally based. Unfathomably based.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:35:31 No. 678713
>>678683 With a stick obviously
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:35:46 No. 678715
>>678710 Faggot you have probably never even been in a fight. I've came close to killing before when I was fighting for my life.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:36:27 No. 678717
>>678712 Stop coffee posting please motherfucker it's just distracting from what you have to say
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:37:10 No. 678718
>>678683 Might have something to do with recent anniversary of police massacring striking workers in Zhanaozen.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:37:46 No. 678720
>>678718 Oh right. These are killer cops then huh?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:42:33 No. 678729
>>678657 >No, muslim brotherhood is the opposite, they are backed by Qatar and Turkey Apparently it's Egyptian branch was close to the IRGC.
<He said Soleimani met with Khairat el-Shater, the Muslim Brotherhood’s deputy supreme leader, to discuss establishing an Egyptian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), subordinated directly by Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi to be responsible for protecting him and the Muslim Brotherhood’s facilities and headquarters and confronting police and armed forces when a conflict with the Muslim Brotherhood occurred. https://thearabweekly.com/irans-relationship-egypts-muslim-brotherhood-comes-under-renewed-scrutiny >In the beginning, no Apparently they refused to call the 2013 coup a coup, and now Al-Sisi is a pretty close ally of theirs. Not to mention that the Egyptian military has been aligned with the US since the 80s.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:46:27 No. 678737
https://vacpusa.org/2022/01/05/stand-with-kazakhstan CPUSA Virginia District statement about the situation.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:48:41 No. 678741
>>678683 >>678718 >not cutting the cop's throat ear to ear and peeling the face off his skull from chin to forehead they were being merciful tbh
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:50:30 No. 678744
>>678683 >implying he's dead wearing cop armor and getting beaten with a stick, he got a slap on the wrist
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:50:46 No. 678745
>>678508 All it would take is one well placed grenade or mortar round…
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:51:03 No. 678746
>>678717 >coffee posting ???
I mean
>caffeine is stimulating >pussy is stimulating >coffee = pussy Is that so?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:53:21 No. 678752
>>678707 Cops are agents of class war all over the world and will beat your face into the dirt whether your skin is black or not.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:53:55 No. 678754
>>678744 They were beating his head in with a log and kicks and his own helmet at full force of course he's dead.
>>678741 t. lives in mommy's basement and faps to gore vids inbetween masturbation and chicken nuggies
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:55:29 No. 678757
>>678754 >of course he's dead doubt it but one can hope
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:56:29 No. 678759
>>678709 Maybe. That's not a bad thing to feel empathy, but see more videos of burgerstan cops (enforcers of the bourgeois property relations) beating and harassing people and you might feel differently.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:58:03 No. 678762
>>678757 At the end one of the dudes takes his helmet off and seems to beat him with it, from the sound of the choc I don't think he aimed for the head but if so then yeah he could have caved his skull. Riot pig armor is resistant tho, he probably has no more than a mild concussion
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:12:34 No. 678777
none of my socialist circles seem interested in talking about this
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:13:10 No. 678779
>>678771 >putin shill Fuck off.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:13:44 No. 678780
>>678777 I can't believe people would rather rehash January 6th for the millionth time than talk about this. Oh wait I can, they're burgers.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:14:03 No. 678781
>>678777 Thats great you are in other socialist circles. Tell them about it and what is going on.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:14:34 No. 678782
>>678771 idk why this right-wing grifter is taken seriously at all. he's just very slooowly reading out what you can already read on RT in much less time
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:14:55 No. 678784
>>678777 There is a huge language barrier, asumming you are from somewhere in the West. But yeah, it is dumb to ignore this if you are a socialist.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:16:15 No. 678786
LOL THANKS COMMIES. MY BOSS WAS TRYING TO FUD ME BY BRINGING UP HOW 'THAT THING IN KAZAKHSTAN IS MAKING THE BITCOIN PRICE GO DOWN' AND I JUST SAID BACK 'TIME TO BUY'
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:22:10 No. 678796
>>678777 To me western leftists barely acknowledging this happening is a sure sign the protests aren't glowed lol
In HK, Cuba and Belarus you had endless twitter threads with hashtags and other bullshit trending and here nothing except grayzoids having a knee-jerk support for Russia sending the troops.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:23:55 No. 678798
>>678786 Based speculation chad. Send us guns and we'll keep btc mining down
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:24:00 No. 678799
>>678502 So the UK, the US both support the government, which provides 25% + of Israels oil, Tony Blair did spin for when they shot striking workers.
The protests are primarily in the sphere of labour and living conditions.
Starting to think Ben Norton is gonna look pretty silly
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:24:41 No. 678801
>>678796 What if we're the only leftists in the world that aren't glowies? Scary thought
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:25:26 No. 678802
>>678800 I think it's more likely that the Russians will shoot everyone instead, but it would be highly based
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:25:55 No. 678803
>>678800 The People's Republic of Kazakhstan the return of the Soviet Union.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:26:06 No. 678804
>>678796 The difference between cuba, venezuela, belarus, and hong kong compared to the kazakh protests is that the governments of cuba, hk, belarus and venezuela call themselves socialist while kazakhstan does not call itself socialist whatsoever. The government does not claim to be socialist, so we should support the protestors.
No i'm not being ironic. I believe only "red flag nations" (nations which call themselves socialist) should be defended from protests.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:26:30 No. 678805
>>678502 Yeah and the EU have also given approval for the Kazakh government to use force against the protestors.
https://twitter.com/LeninLiker/status/1479121267768791040?t=WeN6W9rrWqI0DyEvRrfAfw&s=19 Anyone still claiming that these protests are a colour revolution is an idiot
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:26:40 No. 678806
>>678502 Wait that wasn't meant for you. Critical support for CSTO anti-imperialism in stopping this obvious colour revolution.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:26:55 No. 678807
>>678786 Your boss was trying to do FUCKING WHAT TO YOU?
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:28:16 No. 678808
>>678599 I can't bring myself to believe its real…. I want it to be real….
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:29:19 No. 678810
Critical support for the EU-CSTO alliance as well as the xinjian uyghurs against these obvious chinese-funded protestors!
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:29:33 No. 678811
>>678801 I don't have to be afraid of that, plenty of discussion about it here in Russia.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:30:12 No. 678813
>>678805 Damn, the powers that be really be doing a holy alliance to exorcise the spectre.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:30:16 No. 678814
>>678808 Same tfw.
I WANT TO BELIEVE
TURANIC JUCHE 2022
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:30:40 No. 678816
>>678801 >Scary thought Been feeling the same way. Either groups like the PSL and cpusa are ran by glowis or idiots. It's horrifying.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:31:05 No. 678817
>>678746 In case you don't know coffee posting is posting with lust provoking images unrelated to content of the post in order to get (You)s
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:31:50 No. 678818
>>678781 I am sharing stuff from these threads but they seem more interested in shitposting about American "politics" and Twitter liberals
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:33:37 No. 678821
>>678816 I confort myself in the idea that all those groups and memes are radicalising socdems and radlibs at least. In the vast majority of countries we are still in the recruiting face of the class war.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:34:25 No. 678823
>>678782 His friend is shit, as I said in the other thread, but he's has some knowledge, like went to the commonwealth of independent nations forums, and so on.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:34:30 No. 678824
>>678818 Well what's the theoretical development of these Socialists? If they're terminally online baby leftists then no big surprise they're not as interested. But still anon, work hard to educate them and spread international solidarity for our Kazakh brothers
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:35:45 No. 678827
>>678803 Reminder that Kazakhstan was the last remaining member of the Soviet Union when it was illegally dissolved
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:36:59 No. 678829
>>678801 >>678816 Scarier thought: you're a larper from a country where "the left" is a book club.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:40:52 No. 678834
>>677933 Anyone got a recap of what's happening?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:41:36 No. 678838
>>678827 >Soviet Union when it was illegally dissolved Yeah and under Nazarbayev, an ex-soviet secretary, the communist party was illegalized.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:43:24 No. 678842
>>678834 Burgers are supporting the Kazakh Government, so are brits, so are the Turks, which is three key Nato members, there are statements going around by the "socialist movement of Kazakhstan" which sound extremely based if they are true. I have no idea if they are legit or not but I'm not seeing anything which would say they are not, a variety of communist parties have given statements of support.
Overall status = tentative glorious happening, maybe. Touch wood and pray boys
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:44:06 No. 678844
>>678828 Hope so. It took a massive shake up in the Russian left to get Lenin and the Bolsheviks. Let hope something slimier happens.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:44:45 No. 678846
>>678834 Too soon to get a conclusion, but many people in here are calling it based with no basis.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:46:04 No. 678848
What did I miss since yesterday?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:46:43 No. 678849
>>678848 Puting sent in the troops.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:47:50 No. 678850
>>678796 This is a great point and it retroactively makes western orgs a lot more suspect.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:49:00 No. 678851
>>678397 how sad does your life have to get to make and share something like this
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:49:10 No. 678852
>>678834 Honestly the statement from the Kazakh Trots in this post is a good TL;DR
>>678599 But TL;DR:
> the working class of Kazakhstan got angry at the increase in fuel prices, protested and caused the government to resign >The demands are going from just economic to political >Workers have been going on strike and directly fighting against the Kazakh police officers, with the Kazakh government now calling for Russian help to put down these protests > The Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan (Kazakhstani Trots) and other Kazakh commies are trying to take a leading role rather than just tailing, and setting out their own demands and encouraging workers to collective their workplace (ie create Soviets) Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:49:27 No. 678853
>>678818 I am still proud of you
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:50:25 No. 678854
>>678796 Yeh this is true, where is the “friends from everywhere, in Kazakhstan there was no coup”
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:50:56 No. 678855
>>678818 Do they understand the significance of the events? Are they simply naive or are they just shitters who care about drama more than real politics?
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:52:08 No. 678860
>>678852 How insane would it be if a Trot party took power. Actually won something. The western left would implode. We couldn’t laugh at trots any more. It would be the first straight up bona fide communist revolution since when? A long time
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:55:35 No. 678863
Why has the actual Kazakstan commie party (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_of_Kazakhstan ) not saying a peep and just letting trots and glowies form the narrative?
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:57:26 No. 678866
>>678863 The peoples' party is the only big leftist party that has parliamentary representation. They dont want to support the protests or the government because they dont want to lose support or representation.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:57:59 No. 678867
>>678860 it might finally shake people out of the autism that communism is when you try to copy the USSR 1:1
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:58:58 No. 678869
>>678863 >In the political field – the struggle for democratization, the conquest of power through democratic elections, building a society of social justice, ensuring genuine democracy in the Republic of Kazakhstan. Recognition of forms of ownership that exclude human exploitation, namely: state, collective, private, joint-stock, co-operative. Wow, sounds like a real communist party right there
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:59:45 No. 678871
>>678867 Not if its done through labour organisation and the establishment of soviets through these, which is, how the USSR was made, of course we are still conjecting here
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:03:07 No. 678877
>>678860 Even if in terms of labels, they are considered "Trots", any communist party that actually assumes power in practice will be a far cry from their iterations of the past.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:03:16 No. 678878
>>678860 Yes if it the Trots do actually manage to seize power this would completely upend leftism across the world and give Trotskyism a lot of legitimacy. It would be funny to see Dengists critically support Trots
I doubt this will become a full-blown 1917 Proletarian revolution, I believe if the Government does get overthrown the result be a 1905-type liberal-constitional revolution which is still a good outcome since it would mean Kazakhstani socialists can openly and effectively organise the workers for their 1917 revolution. Rather than the current situation where they're banned and actual Kazakh commies are getting harassed and killed. Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:04:37 No. 678880
>>678863 People's Party are basically controlled opposition, the actual commies are banned and have been under a lot of state repression
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:05:24 No. 678881
>>678873 HOLY SHIT I'M GONNA COOOOOOOMM
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:06:11 No. 678882
Any good Kino from Kazakhstan?
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:09:48 No. 678890
See in a best case scenario we are looking at this>in 2014 striking workers were shot by the Kazakh government, Tony Blair did the spin for the event >in 2015, not a year after this, the communist party was banned. >because it was banned, the communist party went underground >because of the repressive nature of the state, it went properly underground, it went back to the bolshevik roots, the league of struggle for the emancipation of the working class >it began underground labour organising, secretly building up strong trade unions, waiting tactically for a moment to strike >for 5 years they built density, until they knew they had the key industries fully unioninised >they waited the moment when the government would inevitably invoke the rage of the people >they pressed the strike button
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:10:14 No. 678891
>>678882 Apparently there's been a battle going on in Almaty
https://t.me/intelslava/15904 Also I heard (so take this with a pinch of salt) that protestors have been using captured police officers and soldiers as human shields so the military doesn't shoot on them. Which if true, is based
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:10:29 No. 678892
>>678786 what in the bananers does this jibber jabber mean?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:12:28 No. 678893
>>678891 >Also I heard (so take this with a pinch of salt) that protestors have been using captured police officers and soldiers as human shields so the military doesn't shoot on them. Which if true, is based footage.
>>678222 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:16:30 No. 678900
Has someone made an archive for all the vids, pics, articls, etc. posted here?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:19:00 No. 678903
>>678860 >>678877 >>678878 What makes you guys think it's a "trot" party? I only ever hear of "trots" from Westerners, which I'm not really that surprised because Trotsky ran away to the West so his ideas have some influence over there I guess. But I really don't see any influence of Trotsky over here, he's just a historical footnote.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:20:13 No. 678907
>>678903 At this point, it really is a meme. We are all communists but some fight over their book clubs.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:21:15 No. 678908
>>678897 of course, there is the worst case scenario, where the US invades Kazakstan because of the ebin dictator there.
I also find this improbably however seeing as they just pulled out of next door
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:22:40 No. 678909
>>678855 that is what I suspect, there is no "drama" (media spectacle) ergo lack of interest
maybe they really don't realize the significance of what's going on, their brains have been fried by media spectacles
>>678546 can any kind anons recommend me some other sites like lefteast?
>>678873 they told me crypto would lead to communism but I don't think this is what they meant
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:22:49 No. 678910
>>678903 I personally don't know. Where I am in the West, Trotsky has a pretty significant historical influence on radical organizing in the past. Not that it has gotten anywhere lol, but their presence has been consistent.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:24:22 No. 678912
>>678903 It's just which theorists they jack off to. The relevant conflicts that define Stalin vs Trotsky are over and rather than dick-waving about which side is better we should all be looking at what transpired and soberly analyzing what we can learn from what happened. If the current unrest gets anywhere at all, it is going to involve the development of new theories and schisms. Emphasizing obsolete political rifts is pure brain rot and should get people physically slapped IRL, unironically.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:26:31 No. 678914
>>678913 Are you refering to stablishing a liberal democracy? We don't know yet. In fact, I don't know anything about what is going on.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:26:51 No. 678916
>>678913 So kazakh protestors are just going to end up like maoist nepal? What is your proof?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:28:34 No. 678918
OMG this is literally 1956
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:29:04 No. 678920
>>678917 Think of the heckin' oppressed&wholesome foreign police force.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:29:17 No. 678921
>>678917 hope he gets canceled for being racist implying that they're savages just so he shuts up and fucks off
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:29:19 No. 678922
>>678913 no because there isn't a monarchy in kazakhstan and they don't need a parliamentary compromise, they already had liberalism until now.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:30:12 No. 678924
>another "protests are totally going to spontaneously turn into a general uprising to establish a socialist state" take by every internet leftist >no actual vanguard movement
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:32:00 No. 678927
>>678917 You should also post that it was publicly stated that proxy wars from the U.S. should be carried out, including Kazakhstan:
https://t.co/sp6CTNFDeq https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1479225553895014404 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:32:13 No. 678928
>>678924 most of the online left is ignoring this and there's evidence the existing communist party in Kazakhstan is involved
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:32:33 No. 678929
>>678903 Before their Wikipedia page was deleted it said they were part of the ISA (formally known as CWI).
This link (
https://internationalsocialist.net/en/2002/05/kazakhstan ) seems to corroborate that information, even including similar details about the formation, with one delegate being captured by the state.
And of course the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan has a transitional program which is a tell-tale sign that you have Trots on your hands.
http://socialismkz.info/?page_id=650 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:32:53 No. 678930
>>678924 They're all eager for something to happen because nothing ever happens in the west
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:32:58 No. 678932
>>678909 >can any kind anons recommend me some other sites like lefteast? The Barricade - leftists from ex-socialist countries in eastern Europe.
https://thebarricade.online/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3zN7nfaTwegGbF6jXoAY1A Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:33:09 No. 678933
>>678924 the workers don't need a vanguard if they're organized like Kazakh workers
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:33:53 No. 678934
>>678927 This has been the case since literally forever everywhere though, stating that the US wants to control everything everywhere is not news and has always been the case forever. Gonna need something more specific its very vague
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:34:10 No. 678935
>>678924 Yeah, this is my face 🙄 ITT
But they are the same that would attack other AES.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:34:33 No. 678936
>>678933 people always forget the whole vanguard thing was a pragmatic cope for how uneducated and rural Russia was
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:34:38 No. 678937
>>678928 >this and there's evidence the existing communist party in Kazakhstan is involved No, there's not, and you are lying.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:35:01 No. 678940
>>678933 workers do need a vanguard and the only scenario in which this is based is that some kind of underground vanguard has been organising unions
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:35:12 No. 678942
>>678927 If this were a glowop Western proxy war then where's the usual Western media circus around these protests? Why are they barely making 2nd or 3rd page news? Why are the protestors putting forth concrete , economic demands that oppose the neoliberal policies of the West-friendly government?
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:36:28 No. 678949
>>678942 Yeh, I mean traditionally glow ops don't call for the nationalisation of extractive industries but quite the opposite, but also i've seen several lists of so called demands from the protestors, its very hard to tell which ones represent the bulk of them
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:37:59 No. 678950
>>678942 >If this were a glowop Western proxy war then where's the usual Western media circus around these protests? Because it is complex, Tokayev apparently was trying to reverse the westernization of Nazarbayed up to some point, but since he is hand picked by Nazarbayev himself, and most of his cabinet was Nazarbayev's he wanted to do this to call Russia CTSO.
But you immediately run to the conclusion this is a communist uprising, where there is no proof of any of this.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:38:09 No. 678952
>>678913 Even if the end result is a liberal-constitional regime, that is still an improvement for the working class and the socialist movement in Kazakhstan over the current oligarchy absolutist regime. Since it means Kazakh socialists can finally agitate and organise openly which is much better conditions than being forced underground.
Also if these protests resulted in a 1:1 recreation of the results in Nepal it would result in Communists and general leftists becoming hegemonic within the nation's political scene.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:38:24 No. 678953
>>678940 >workers do need a vanguard Not if they're organized. The whole point of a vanguard is to organize the workers. Anything else is revisionism.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:42:25 No. 678959
>>678897 Well, it's crystal clear the Burger govt - and therefore all its Nato lackeys - don't want the current govt overthrown, especially because they have huge business interests there and there are actual threats of a possible socialist takeover or at the very least a long period of instability. And Porky knows very well that muh instability hurts so much muh investments.
I guess there's, in this position, a parallel with their behaviour in 2011 re. the Arab world: they didn't even say shit about the Saudis crossing the bridge to drown the prostests in Bahrein in blood, they were ambivalent about Egypt and they immediately gang up with half of the world to bomb Libya back to the stone age, all at the same time. Long story short, their relationship with the current Kazakh establishment is analogous to the one they have with the Gulf petro-(and pedo-)monarchies, with the obvious difference that Kazakhistan doesn't have the considerable money influence the Gulfies have. So, no interest for western porkery and the states they control to attack Kazakhstan, at least not now.
>>678911 Ah, I get it. Btw, I may be notorious for posting some spicy pussy quite often, but all the pics of this volleyball goddess are pretty safe and on the cute side.
Even though it's so much cuteness that can get you horny… Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:42:27 No. 678960
>>678948 Just to correct.
It seems more like a movement of kazakh ex-pats possing there.
>working movement of Kazakhstan Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:46:18 No. 678965
>>678960 Oh shit you are right. Read that wrong. Thank you
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:46:37 No. 678966
>>678962 >No he wasn't See:
>>678771 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:48:54 No. 678969
>>678966 This is like linking me RT and telling me to read what they say about Putin.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:50:27 No. 678971
>>678969 Actually it's not like. It just is this when i check
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/ Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:50:41 No. 678972
>>678949 That's fair. I think we are still really in a 'wait and see phase' as to the composition of the protests, but I think their connection to the striking oilfield workers is a positive sign that the unrest is more organic than glowie-tailored ala Maidan. Also, I find the fact that the West has been mostly silent on these protests speaks to the fact that they were caught off guard as much as Putin was.
>>678950 Didn't say this was a communist uprising at all. I believe it has the potential to be directed as such, but the jury's out on whether any actual commies can take hold of the momentum. It does, however, hold the character of an organic outburst against neoliberalism, which at the very least, makes it far more threatening to global capital than other uprisings we've seen.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:53:55 No. 678976
>>678912 Someone screenshot this post, please.
>>678930 Very sad, but very true.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 01:56:15 No. 678980
>>678969 >>678971 Their commentary on recent elections in Chile included favorable views on Pinochet's economic policies. Not surprising to see Lavelle behind it.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:03:45 No. 678990
>>678986 I said that do not give attention to his friends or colegues, only his takes in the video.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:05:00 No. 678992
>>678989 Did not like that for reasoning of identify bias but who runs it and their angle
If someone wants to present that the Kazakhstan president had some particular agenda linking a YouTube channel that is ran by people tied to Russian state media is a very bad method. Videos are just free talk you can angle things however you want and explain them to favor your case
Linking an academic paper showing changes in alliances and reforms made is much better and objective work to identify what changes are made
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:06:57 No. 678996
>>678992 Did not link that*
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:11:08 No. 679003
>>678917 Nobody in the west called the protests peaceful and moderate, all westoid governments call for them to stop breaking shit lol.
Guy is repeating old handbook verbatim without checking what's actually happening, embarrassing.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:11:52 No. 679005
>>678913 If things doesn't solidify in their benefit I bet they would go into a Bolivian model of antiimperialist socdem.
But first of all the protest movement should win and a socialist movement needs to be formed and rise on top.
https://fablesofaesop.com/the-milkmaid-and-her-pail.html Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:13:23 No. 679008
REMEMBER GUYS
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:17:27 No. 679013
>>679008 They don't need b&r for gas, they extract it right there, it should already be cheap as fuck.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:18:32 No. 679016
>>679005 There something therapeutic about these Andean flutes.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:18:52 No. 679018
>>679013 If they were to achieve socialism. It would practically be free.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:20:15 No. 679019
>>678972 Like most ex-socialist countries Kazakhstan's "transition" turned it into a periphery ruled by local compradors who facilitate the exploitation of the country by Western porkies. It seems very typical: massive privatizations and its own industry replaced by export of raw materials to the West with super-exploitation of the local population. The fact that there are organized protests by workers at all is already big progress, I wish something like that could happen in Eastern Europe. Something like this has a potential for genuinely socialist parties to emerge out of it, or in this case for the existing socialist party to enter the mainstream. So even if this particular wave of protests fails to achieve its immediate goals, it could still be politically productive long-term.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:21:55 No. 679021
>>679004 >Bogdanoff brothers in the afterlife ordering the Kazakhstan protest to crash Bitcoin Ebin
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:23:21 No. 679022
>>679019 If you ask me, this is their 1905.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:23:24 No. 679023
>>678913 >calling shots already when the revolution is already in full swing in an already volatile situation. Mate, even IF the revolution isn't perfect, from a material standpoint it has the chance to GREATLY improve the lives of the Kazakhstan working class. Be thankful that they're having a revolution at all.
<but what if it ends up like the maoists of nepal Then we'll learn from their mistakes and continue to develop our analysis and praxis.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:25:07 No. 679026
>>678917 9 times out of 10, shit like the IS some attempt at a color revolution and all the evidence that it's not is hearsay and believed a little bit too readily by people a little too buzzed on the hopium.
I know Ben Norton has a bad reputation for Twitter hot takes, but you guys seems to want him to be basing his opinions on what are effectively Twitter rumors at this point.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:27:03 No. 679029
>>678507 Oligarchs are in panic mode.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:27:28 No. 679030
>>679021 The Bogs didn't die.
They ascended to quantum immortality.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:28:03 No. 679033
>>679026 Read my well-sourced thread for your so-called "twitter rumors"
>>678257 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:29:18 No. 679035
>>679033 that's pure speculation and you are a schizo
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:29:30 No. 679036
>>679019 >So even if this particular wave of protests fails to achieve its immediate goals, it could still be politically productive long-term. Exactly, and I think a relatively 'prosperous' country like Kazakhstan falling and being revealed as the empty-shelled resource extraction scheme for global porkies it really was is worrying a lot of the boug on both 'sides' (CIS/NATO), hence the relative blind eye from the West and the near-instant intervention by Putin. Fuck, imagine if a wave of proto-communist uprisings swept through similar countries, all inspired by the Kazakhs.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:30:44 No. 679037
>>679024 What caught my attention is that Kazhak is Latinized officially, so this guy was probably a Russian.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:30:48 No. 679038
>>678802 Kazakh army will turn on them if this would happen. Its a popular conscription army.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:31:14 No. 679040
Would be interesting to see if anyone living near Kazakhstan will give assistance to the people via methods of communication and defensive tools.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:33:28 No. 679043
>>679024 Bugger.
>>679030 >>679028 >>679021 Socialism with Bogdanoff characteristics.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:43:25 No. 679049
>>678959 i will not jerk off to the kazakh volleyballer i will not jerk off to the kazakh volleyballer
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:53:00 No. 679059
>>679026 >9 times out of 10, shit like this You're having a fever. Obviously Western-supported NGOs and local liberals will try to coopt the protests, they don't want a left to come to power. But I'm starting to distrust Western leftists as well. According to them if I protest I'm either a Russian or a US puppet (depends on the RPG class they picked). There's no chance a leftist in the east could genuinely oppose their comprador porkies simply because they don't really like their country turning into a shithole periphery. Only the West possesses consciousness and agency.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:00:08 No. 679064
Putin and his boys are not fucking around
https://www.interfax.ru/world/814162 https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1479278295309029379?s=20 So either protestors will see those forces and back down or things get more messy
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:00:22 No. 679065
>>679037 Kazakhs also speak russian, you mongoloid
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:19:00 No. 679082
>>679064 >>679059 >But I'm starting to distrust Western leftists as well. According to them if I protest I'm either a Russian or a US puppet Literally no communists said this except for a few idiots such as the trolls here.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:19:03 No. 679083
>>678992 https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/85078 This article tries to appeal the U.>S to pay more attention to Kazakh, my theory really persists, it was a shock movement to reduce the pro-U.S. things there, calling the Russians to move>Linking an academic paper showing changes in alliances and reforms made is much better and objective work to identify what changes are made
He indeed sought to strengthen Russia ties>:
https://www.efe.com/efe/english/world/tokayev-pledges-to-do-everything-possible-strengthen-ties-with-russia/50000262-3943362 Because they need atomic power
https://caspiannews.com/news-detail/president-tokayev-says-kazakhstan-needs-nuclear-power-plant-2021-9-5-0/ And its economy is highly dependant on Russia's/China's buys and sells.
The assessment that Nazarbayev still hold a lot of power is correct:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/ATAG/2019/642256/EPRS_ATA(2019)642256_EN.pdf longer president, he retains enormous formal and informal influence. He still holds the life-long status of
Leader of the Nation, awarded him in 2010, and continues to head the Nur Otan party, as well as the
powerful Security and Constitutional Councils. One of Tokayev's first actions as interim president was to
rename the country's capital Nur-Sultan, in honour of Nazarbayev, and he has promised to consult his
predecessor on key decisions. Some see him as no more than a placeholder, preparing the way for
Nazarbayev's daughter Dariga (now elevated to Tokayev's former position as senate speaker) to continue
the dynasty in a few years' time.
lmao, they predicted it would be a preparation towards Dariga.
Tokayev indeed expanded some of the partner business with Russia:
https://www.inform.kz/en/president-tokayev-meets-with-sibur-holding-chairman-dmitry-konov_a3846599 It is interesting that Nur Sultan, which is the capital migrated city operates as usual:
https://www.inform.kz/en/mayor-urges-nur-sultan-residents-to-avoid-places-of-mass-gatherings_a3881973 Which is indeed the city created by Nazarbayev to keep away power from Russians
>School holidays were prolonged until January 17. Students of colleges and universities will return to classes on January 24. Public transport and all facilities in the city, except for banks and public service centers, operate as usual. Altai Kulginov urged the population to avoid places of mass gatherings and not to succumb to appeals of destructive forces to join illegal protests. He also said that additional measures are to be taken in case of additional threats. All the cabinets of the president resigned, thus reinforces the idea of purging Nazabayev interests in Tokayev's government:
https://www.inform.kz/en/kazakh-president-accepts-the-resignation-of-the-cabinet_a3881422 And of course, he hand-picked his own selection.
So I am kinda believing what Mercouris said.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:26:09 No. 679094
>>679064 If this wasn't in the interest of Western capital, Western media would be fucking screaming about it like it's some kind of genocide. Most of capital in the Kazakhstan goes to the West as far as I know. Russia is doing this for geopolitical rather than economic reasons, the fact that this protects Western porky's interests is just an unfortunate side-effect.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:37:34 No. 679103
>>679094 That assumes that the west would have had the narrative prepared and ready to go, which would mean they were expecting it to happen.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:45:02 No. 679108
>>678937 Faggot they released a big press release about it. It's you and the other pessimist cunts that are lying to farm negatvie attention.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:58:43 No. 679124
>>679108 "big press release" = "involvement" 🤔
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:59:53 No. 679125
<Biggest popular revolt threatening international capital and US interests in years <Biggest imperialist "peace keeping" international military operation since years >Ben Norton supports it >Blumenthal is silent
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:37:50 No. 679173
>>679125 Norton is a brainlet and Blumenthal is all-in on the pandemic grift.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:01:36 No. 679220
>>679125 >popular revolt threatening international capital and US interests Like in Hong Kong?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:07:14 No. 679234
>>679229 It was sarcasm you sperg
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:09:50 No. 679237
>>678897 >especially freedom of the media Kek, shutting down internet murders the protests. Just like in Belarus, I might add.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:11:56 No. 679239
>>679237 That's why you don't need a vanguard anymore in modern times. We've got the internet instead.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:17:46 No. 679250
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv Nexta, pro-West glowed Belarus media that exists mostly in Twitter, is supporting the protests. Check out their latest posts, the usual "international support for the protests" shit all the glowies do every time.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:23:34 No. 679262
>>679250 Logical, they're opposing whatever their government do
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:29:20 No. 679269
>>679250 Breaking news: in a shocking and truly bizarre turn of events Western NGOs and liberals are trying to coopt protests #597321 instead of just passively watching the left take the opportunity away from them, like Western anti-imperialists would expect if the protests were truly authentic and verified by Gayzone.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:36:25 No. 679278
>>679250 It makes sense for the glowies to try to co-opt it. People here should try and contact the Chinese to see what they can do about it and co-opt it themselves. Perhaps Russia could negociate and establish a new socialist state.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:57:40 No. 679297
>Oil production at Kazakhstan's top field Tengiz was reduced on Thursday, its operator Chevron said >Kazakhstan is the top global producer of uranium, which jumped in price by 8% after the unrest. >The country is also the world's second-largest miner of bitcoin. Bitcoin's "hashrate" - the computing power of machines in its network - dropped by over 10% on Wednesday after Kazakhstan's internet was shut off, according to crypto mining firm BTC.com
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:08:09 No. 679310
>>679301 What's that CIA .webm propaganda?
Sir, in here we don't care in your CIA propaganda.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:13:32 No. 679317
>>679313 Image being so stupid for him to believe we do valid criticisms on Russia = we descend to the level of CIAvalny killing Muslims in Russia (literally one of the frames is reeeeeing about the increase of the Muslim population of Russia).
These feds love to lost their cover quickly.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:22:50 No. 679324
>>679317 It's not just that. Many of the images and "facts" are just outright fabrications or lies.
>Suicide rate in Russia Has steadily decreased under Putin and has reached all time lows
>HIV Affects roughly 1% of the population; hardly an "issue"
>Abortion A hold-over from Soviet times when abortion was equivalent to birth control because there was no birth control industry
What happened was that this retard re-used a webm tailor-made for /pol/ audiences and their low iqs for here. At least Langley's getting lazy we should encourage this behavior.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:23:30 No. 679325
>>678539 are you genuinely curious about vore? if you are i'd talk about it on /siberia/
t. another different vorefag
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:29:18 No. 679327
>>679324 fair enough it is a bit of a shit webm but the Russian fed is a dotb no doubt and unlike china there is no significant communist faction in the government
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:37:46 No. 679330
>>678506 This is making me want to learn KAZAKH!
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:38:51 No. 679332
>>679327 Literally, communists are the majority after the Russia United, with many oblasts, townhalls, districts, owned by the KPFR.
I don't think the decisions of Putin aren't completely away of capitalism, but the influence of communism is way higher than your average western country. Whatever decision emanated for Kazhak, you will see some communism influeced decision over there.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:48:09 No. 679335
>>679332 >he thinks zyuganov's controlled opposition is real They're a super prominent communist party in a major superpower, you'd think they'd have an international presence and actually push communist thought.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:50:51 No. 679338
>>679332 I am partly to blame for the webm but I'm not some pro west hippie dippie lolbert marxist either. The Russian communist party is today dominated, much like the CPUSA, by socdem faggots. Russia is in a better place than the US because the proletariat only need seize political power from a few people since the Yeltsin sell off of state assets but Putin's camp will be an obstacle to that progress.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:05:02 No. 679343
the fuck is going on
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:09:12 No. 679345
>>679343 too early to call tbh. It may yet be co-opted but for now it doesn't appear to be another euromaidan. Anons here are sperging out because some communist parties are supporting it but this is meaningless if they don't have influence on the movement.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:11:39 No. 679347
>>679335 What a nice coincidence, someone was praising the KPFR for their position on the unrest, and when I precisely asked where the are drones saying that the KPFR is controlled opposition, if they died, I was replied: "They got renewed with a new, young, based, more communist movement after some recent elections".
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:18:44 No. 679348
>>679347 missed this statement in the thread but even if there is a transformation in the KPFR how does this support the argument that the Russian Fed would come in and turn the protests to communism when it appears that Russian forces are only supporting the Kazakhstan majority party? The anon I replied to
with a retarded webm that I needed to take a closer look at was talking about how Russia would support the protests.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:24:41 No. 679350
>>679348 err kprf? The big one with the book logo
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:49:55 No. 679361
Bitcoin dropped 2k
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 07:54:30 No. 679366
>>679351 The glows may be trying to co-opt it. The original movement might be completely organic but who knows what’s going on. Especially when HRW begins to bitch.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:00:37 No. 679376
Russia sent 75 planes of anti-imperialist revolutionary freedom peacekeepers to put a stop hitlerian Nazi CIA funded Soros/gulen/zionist terrorist
Thank God for Russia maintaining communism in Kazakhstan and restoring order of former UN director general presidents power who is working to revive the USSR!
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1479361233551863809?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:12:53 No. 679396
>>679338 What happens when Putin retires?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:19:51 No. 679404
>>678873 This goes hard. Glad to see that socialism still lives on through the people.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:22:53 No. 679407
>>679399 More like Putin 2. He's just one man, and an instrument of the oligarchs at that.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:35:23 No. 679421
>>679418 While you may see declarations of support for one side or another posted in this thread, these are simply emotional outbursts. In reality, the anons here have wizened up a bit and are waiting for more info before passing judgement.
ps: Nur-Sultan is beautiful Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:35:41 No. 679422
>>678908 >I also find this improbably however seeing as they just pulled out of next door Shit takes as usual, I see?
picrel is ameriga when they see a coup in a country that americans think is middle eastern. choo choo!
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:44:31 No. 679427
>>679418 The capitalists and all the states in the world are more or less against those protests while quite a few of communist parties support them. "The wait for more information" crowd are retards who fell for the color revolution meme.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:50:58 No. 679433
>>679418 >alright who is our hivemind cheering for we are cheering for comerade Putin to mow down the revisionists with machine gun fire
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:56:40 No. 679439
Dumb question, but how did they succeed and Trumpets/Qtards fail?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:16:32 No. 679460
>>679439 > how did they succeed and Trumpets/Qtards fail? 1. Trump is on one section of the ruling class and is fighting the other mainstream ruling class (the political establishment)
2. Trump is the main leader of the alternative class. The problem is, Trump is retarded.
3. Qtards are idiots
4. Qtards have no coherent leader besides Trump (see above)
5. Police + Glowies are too competent so they foil their schemes
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:25:39 No. 679465
daily reminder that Putin is an ex-glowie therefore COP
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:29:32 No. 679468
https://youtu.be/GEbtCQ90Wzk >Live: Kazakhstan's president addresses the nation after days of protests Was scheduled to start half an hour ago
Still waiting
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:41:17 No. 679475
>In Taldykorgan, the building of the pre-trial detention center was stormed. >According to unconfirmed information, a military unit and an airport were captured. https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1479362968970309635 It seems the fighting continues despite Russian intervention.
PETA Condemns the Kazakhstani Protestors. Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:48:52 No. 679484
Hello, my name is Hannah and I represent the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
We have seen credible footage of the abuse of pigs as shields by protestors in Kazakhstan. Link:
>>678222 We CONDEMN these protestors and demand the US government intervene to stop this crime against nature!
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:51:22 No. 679487
If some anons want a quick recap PLUS some further consideration I strongly advice to check Socialism4All latest video on these whole events:
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=zLTnuAFTGuQ Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:54:10 No. 679491
>>679475 If I understood well the Russian troops are spec ops mainly meant to secure government buildings to unburden Kazakh troops and deployment sites to send other forces. They aren't doing the fighting
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:57:52 No. 679495
>>679361 The Kurseh of the Kazakh.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:19:23 No. 679509
Kinda found a lead guys
<How effectively do you think the budgetary expenditures of Kazakhstan and the National Fund are being managed today? <Currently, the law sets the minimum level of the National Fund at 30 percent of GDP. <In your opinion, should it be reduced or, on the contrary, increased? By facilitating private innovation and investment, while removing distortive support programs, including subsidies, the government can facilitate this important transition https://astanatimes.com/2021/11/world-bank-to-support-kazakhstan-on-its-path-to-decarbonization-and-carbon-neutrality-says-world-bank-vp-for-europe-and-central-asia/ People rebelling against WEF and World Bank diktats?
Count me fucking in.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:21:20 No. 679512
>>679484 Is this a joke or a funny bot?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:21:37 No. 679513
>>679507
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:22:57 No. 679515
>>679509 I am cooming right now glory to the khazak workers
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:45:22 No. 679526
Kazakh Army has been sending cadets to repress the protests
https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1479233300703195137 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:15:46 No. 679547
I'm getting Maidan flashbacks from this whole thing, the way the violence escalated so quickly just doesn't feels normal.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:25:42 No. 679556
>>679547 Never seen Maidan type protests after a government implements World Bank directives.
Bandits Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:53:12 No. 679575
I have given an order to the law enforcement and military to shoot to kill without warning,” Tokayev announced on Friday.
The president has rejected the idea of resolving the ongoing crisis through negotiations. “It’s nonsense. What kind of talks can one have with criminals and murderers?” he insisted.
Kazakhstan is facing “armed and well-trained militants, both local and foreign,” Tokayev said. Describing them as “bandits and terrorists,” he asserted that they should be “eliminated.”
The internet, which had been switched off a few days ago, will be restored in some parts of the country, he promised, adding that its reinstatement would nonetheless not allow anyone to “freely post fabrications, slander, insults, and inflammatory appeals.”
Those who attacked the country acted in accordance with a well-designed plan, Tokayev said, targeting key military, administrative, and social facilities in almost all of the regions.
“Only in Almaty, there were 20,000 bandits,” he alleged. They were backed by propaganda experts who spread fake news online and manipulated the mood of the people, the president insisted.
He also thanked fellow member states of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) – Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, and Tajikistan – for answering his call and deploying peacekeepers to help restore order in Kazakhstan. The CSTO mission would remain in the country “for a limited period of time” to support the local security forces, the president clarified.
https://www.rt.com/russia/545367-kazakhstan-authorizes-lethal-force/ Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:02:40 No. 679586
>>678595 Hey I know that art style. It's Flick the thief.
Maybe I should quit porn at this point.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:16:49 No. 679590
>>679491 I'm pretty sure they said they killed dozens of protestors? Or was that Kazahkstan specops? Anyways specops are complete psychos so expect many atrocities
>>679427 This
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:19:53 No. 679594
Xi Jinping Sends Oral Letter to Kazakh President Tokayev http://www.news.cn/politics/leaders/2022-01/07/c_1128242843.htm (Google translated):
Xinhua News Agency, Beijing, January 7. On January 7, 2022, Chinese President Xi Jinping sent an oral letter to Kazakh President Tokayev.
Xi Jinping said in his oral letter that large-scale riots have occurred in Kazakhstan recently, causing heavy casualties and property losses. I would like to express my sincere condolences to you. You took decisive and powerful measures at a critical moment to quickly calm the situation, reflecting the responsibility and responsibility of a statesman and a highly responsible position to the country and the people.
Xi Jinping emphasized that China firmly opposes any force that undermines the stability of Kazakhstan and threatens the security of Kazakhstan, firmly opposes any force that undermines the peaceful life of the Kazakh people, firmly opposes external forces deliberately creating turmoil in Kazakhstan and instigating "color revolutions", and firmly opposes any force. An attempt to undermine China-Kazakhstan friendship and interfere with bilateral cooperation. As a fraternal neighbor and a permanent comprehensive strategic partner, China is willing to do its best to provide necessary support to Kazakhstan to help Kazakhstan overcome difficulties. No matter what risks and challenges it encounters, China is Kazakhstan's trusted friend and partner. The Chinese people will always stand with the Kazakh people.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:19:59 No. 679595
>>679575 >The internet, which had been switched off a few days ago, DAILY REMINDER TO MAKE A MESHNET IN YOUR CITY
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:21:46 No. 679597
>>679526 They must be pretty desperate. I can't see that going very well for them. The regulsr soldiers and cops defected so what good is a bunch of kids shooting at their elders?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:22:01 No. 679598
>>679595 you don't think the government would be able to switch that off too
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:23:01 No. 679599
>>679595 Based, very true. I think we must have some threads up right?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:24:16 No. 679601
>>679556 Ignore them, it's just a few attentionfaggots begging for yous
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:24:18 No. 679602
>>679594 fuck
>>679598 AFAIK it would either involve much more effort or more drastic measure like turning off all power.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:24:48 No. 679603
>>679595 Do you have resources or is there a thread on the site about that?
>>679598 They'd have to send the police on site and disable a lot of nodes to "switch it off". Here they most likely ordered the internet providers to stop their services.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:25:36 No. 679605
>>679602 >more drastic measure like turning off all power. Meshnets can use their own power source like diesal generators or solar power
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:26:26 No. 679606
>>679594 >dengoids side with the government >muh property losses Jesus.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:27:15 No. 679607
>>679594 >China saying its a color revolution <Local communists+KKE aligned parties saying it's a legit protest Now what?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:27:35 No. 679608
>>679603 >Do you have resources or is there a thread on the site about that? I think there was one in hobby or tech. You can search and I'll like it if I see it.
>They'd have to send the police on site and disable a lot of nodes to "switch it off". And they wouldn't or they'd risk getting shot…
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:27:43 No. 679609
>>679605 Did anyone ever make a meshnet tech that uses regular smartphones? Couldnt you just make a meshnet out of smartphones people already carry?
Anyway make sure you have a morse encoder app/morse decode table on you just in case.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:27:43 No. 679610
>>679594 Finally the US, Russia, China and Israel agree on something, we did it guys, world peace!
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:28:00 No. 679611
>>679607 Dont trust the cpc
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:28:19 No. 679612
>>679603 >Do you have resources or is there a thread on the site about that? I'm not too well-read on which tools are the best, I'm just familiar with the concept. If you're in Europe or certain US cities you might be lucky enough to have a local existing net.
>>679605 That's definitely true, but I would assume most wouldn't unless they were intentionally preparing for a power outage situation.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:28:35 No. 679613
>>679594 Looks like we will be adding the list of anti communists China had backed against the workers movements in those countries.
Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Angola, the Philippines, Israel, Yemen, now Kazakhstan
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:28:51 No. 679614
>>679594 >It's all in Chinese? You're making shit up right?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:30:06 No. 679616
>>679059 >Only the West possesses consciousness and agency. Am I being detained, officer?
This talking point glows, not only because it's fucking absurd, but because it's only used when saying that the CIA exists at all and does things. I saw it a lot during the coup in Bolivia to try to claim that saying that it was a CIA-orchestrated coup instead of some kind of great democratic uprising was racism against Bolivians or something.
Is the claim that the election of Donald Trump was due to Russian interference a denial of American agency?
Is the claim that the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic are just Russian proxy states a denial of their agency?
Is the claim that Crimea's vote to join the Russian Federation was rigged in some why by the Russians a denial of Crimean agency?
Was the claim that leftist movements in Latin America were backed by Cuba, Venezuela and, most bizarrely, Hezbollah, a denial of Latin American agency?
Hell, is the growing counter-claim that these protests were orchestrated by the Chinese a denial of Kazakh agency?
Maybe one of your lot would say yes if I held you down and forced you to say it, but it's not a talking point that's actually used for any of these situations. It's a talking point that functionally boils down to claiming that any acknowledgement of the existence of US-NATO imperialism and it's real and speculative influence in the world is some form of racism. And that glows brighter than the sun.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:32:39 No. 679618
>>679607 The chinese communist party, unlike the soviet union, doesnt even back communist movements, they just back whoever they think will win so they can get trade deals
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:33:31 No. 679619
>>679594 >Imposing crushing austerity measures to lick World Bank scrotum,leading to mass unrest and people dying <Highly responsible governing WTF?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:35:00 No. 679621
>>679614 If any comrades who speak Chinese want to verify the source and the translation they'd be more than welcome to. Xinhua seems legit enough for an announcement like this.
The english version of the article only has the announcement that Xi talked to President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev:
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/20220107/987415d1a120439ab3050db009bb1938/c.html Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:36:08 No. 679624
>>679594 tons of sketch scripts and broken site…
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:38:29 No. 679626
>>679621 How is it hard for you to believe China is supporting the anti-communists?
They have supported the wrong side in LITTERALLY ALL PROXY WARS WITH THE SOVIET UNION, and continue to do so.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:43:03 No. 679636
>>679634 I mean, that and them getting all snuggly only a few days ago.
>Xi, Kazakh leaders hail 30 years of diplomatic relations http://www.ecns.cn/news/2022-01-04/detail-ihaukspy1047166.shtml Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:43:39 No. 679638
>>679633 I didn't miss a point. Saying that acknowledgement of the existence of US-NATO imperialism and it's storied history of backing and orchestrating favorable uprisings is some form of racism IS the point.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:44:00 No. 679639
>>679626 Yeah of course just the site was kind of broken and shit.
Here is Xi praising the dictator of the Kazahkstan comprador regime 4 days ago
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zgyw/202201/t20220103_10478506.htm Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:44:41 No. 679640
>>679635 God I sure do love fake communists hnggggg this meme slaps well done cpc
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:44:45 No. 679641
>>679637
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:50:09 No. 679647
>>679607 Imagine my shock.
After all it only happened in
>Nicaragua >Philippines >Afghanistan >Nepal (allegedly) >Palestine >Angola Before
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:53:35 No. 679653
>>679638 The point was western leftists thinking that everything that doesn't happen in NATO adherent countries (which Kazakhstan pretty much is, aside from having good relations with China and Russia) is somehow always controlled by the CIA against anti-imperialist countries, thinking that the people in those countries couldn't possibly be against their own goverment out of their own interests because of real politik.
In fact, I would say this is more about american commies than anyone else, since the KKE supports the protests.
Reminder that the CIA isn't an overpowerful being, and that most colour revolutions they've started since Syria have been absolute jokes that or didn't lead anywhere (like in Belarus, Cuba or Venezuela) or needed to have an outright coup to work (Bolivia).
btw hot take the only countries that are communist nowadays are Cuba and North Korea >>679647 Add in here declaring war to Vietnam and supporting Cambodia.
They also supported Pinochet as well.
The only actual good thing they've done for leftism is supporting North Korea on the Korean war, that's about it.
Maoism was a mistake (Mao was a retard for the sino-soviet split), and it led directly to dengoism and revisionism.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:56:12 No. 679655
>>679653 One can say that there are practical applications of domestic policy implemented by China over the years, but foreign policy wise they have always been pretty awful.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:56:24 No. 679656
>>679653 >Maoism was a mistake (Mao was a retard for the sino-soviet split), and it led directly to dengoism and revisionism. 100 percent. He almost turns me off of being a schizo sophist variety of marxist but the idea of talking in vagueries and being easily misled in pursuit of larping is simply too compelling…
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:58:57 No. 679661
>>679621 I don't want to hear the PRC deng cucks ever call China socialist again. They are performing their role well however as capitalist controlled opposition…
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:59:12 No. 679663
>>679575 >Those who attacked the country acted in accordance with a well-designed plan, Tokayev said, targeting key military, administrative, and social facilities in almost all of the regions. Yeah, people living in the city can't know where all the important points are without the help of foreign agents.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:59:59 No. 679664
>>679661 That being said I used to believe it myself, I think it's just copium
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:01:58 No. 679668
>>679653 Because, for the most part, these movements being backed, directed or orchestrated by the CIA is true more often than not. If CIA-backed movement also contains genuine popular ferment, that literally doesn't matter. That's why you back a particular organization you know isn't some CIA cutout, not take the dumbass third campist position of supporting some vague concept like "the people" or "the workers".
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:02:06 No. 679669
>>679663 if you know where the local cop shop is you are a foreign agent and must be killed on sight, simple as…
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:03:17 No. 679671
>>679661 >>679664 Was Mao a capitalist?
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Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:04:52 No. 679673
>>679668 > If CIA-backed movement also contains genuine popular ferment, that literally doesn't matter. That's why you back a particular organization you know isn't some CIA cutout, not take the dumbass third campist position of supporting some vague concept like "the people" or "the workers". So true! Any time the CIA funded organisation shows up to a protest for better working conditions you
MUST denounce the protests as colour revolution!
Real Eco-Socialist Poster 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:05:16 No. 679674
>>678530 Man just STFU, if it’s clear that the Western world opposes this uprising then why the
fuck are you still simping for the Kazakh government? Because Russian oligarchs uphold their decrepit state? Because they get Chinese investments? Tf?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:05:38 No. 679676
>>679668 >vague concept like the workers lol
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:06:32 No. 679678
>>679671 He was an opportunist politician with red flavour.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:07:52 No. 679679
>>679676 From a political standpoint, yes, "the workers" are a vague abstraction. It's not an actual political unit. The workers need a party to have a political form.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:08:32 No. 679680
>>679679 You're an idiot, stop ridiculing yourself
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:08:35 No. 679681
>>679671 He was a dumb schizo narcissist larper that made deals with the capitalists and wrecked the socialist cause for national chauvinism and personal animosity with the USSR (albeit having legitimate cause for conflict) IMO and that goes for many communist bureaucrats, that being said there are conflicting national chauvinist and bureacrat interests inbetween and within communist countries and parties, it's never just one person and if it is then baby wtf is you doing?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:08:55 No. 679682
>>679680 You're a liberal in denial.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:10:05 No. 679683
>>679682 (not him btw)
tbh the only time I've seen this flag is with the retarded gonzaloite.
Opinion of the Gonzalo movement?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:10:47 No. 679684
>>679683 You're getting the Bolshevik flag and the Sendero flag mixed up.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:14:00 No. 679686
>>679677 We funded one fake workers organisation in Poland taking advantage of legitimate grievances and it poisoned the well to the point we only need to "decry tyrannical repression against the protestors" in the news without even being there for twitter tankies and unpaid gayzone shills to denounce them
AND we get to play the good guys with naive libs. How did we win so damn much bros???
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:14:49 No. 679688
>>679682 Bro you're the one who jumped the gun and called this protest 100% CIA backed with a fucking schizo twitter post from russian state media as a source without knowing anything about Kazakhstan. You're 100% the sus liberal here. Go read Marx and stfu
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:15:28 No. 679690
>>679680 >act like a retard >get attention >want to be taken seriously >claim irony It's the 21st century way baby!
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:15:40 No. 679691
>>679686 The US didn’t denounce Kazakhstan and actually sided with the government so far, it says a lot the sheer amount of tankies here still opposed to the protestors in support of Putin and Chinese capitalists
(Switching flags to appear to be more than one person) Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:18:18 No. 679692
>>679691 Hey cunt actually we denounced them at first as we own most of the shares in their oil production for one. We are losing out each day these protests go on but hey don't cry over spilt milk, support it publically instead while reassuring the Kazakhstan leader in private. We can claim the moral highground and win favour with everyone opposed to the more obvious machinations of China and CSTO. Thank you for doing my job for me :DDD
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:20:17 No. 679693
>>679692 Funny how you’re being a sarcastic little cunt but have already admitted the US has a vested interest in assuring the protests go nowhere.
So really, you’re just another enemy of the Kazakh proletariat whose true position has been revealed, great power chauvinism and nothing else
My God, dengoids really are scum
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:20:33 No. 679694
Delete these threads and ban everyone posting in them
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:21:40 No. 679696
>>679693 Actually none of that is true go figure…
Anonymous ## Mod 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:28:49 No. 679704
>>679697 Nevermind, my mistake. You just had a similar IP
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:35:19 No. 679706
at this point any retard calling the protest glow without a decisive new argument should just be purged, it was already apparent to be organic in the first fucking thread
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:37:45 No. 679709
>>679706 The problem of such spontaneous organic protests is, that if there is no proletarian vanguard, the other side will reap the rewards
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:41:57 No. 679713
>>679709 good thing they have an underground communist party then. Also youre wrong, often they just fail at achieving anything
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:43:29 No. 679717
>>679686 It wasn't just one thing. I still get people saying that we should support the fucking mujahideen's counter-revolution against the PDPA government in Afghanistan because some tiny minority of them were Maoists and anarchists.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:44:56 No. 679720
>>679717 > I still get people saying that we should support the fucking mujahideen's counter-revolution against the PDPA government in Afghanistan because some tiny minority of them were Maoists and anarchists. <Implying there aren't trolls on /leftypol/ My dude /leftypol/ consists of baiters and baited.
And right now you're being baited.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:45:51 No. 679722
>>679720 I'm not talking about /leftypol/. This is outside of /leftypol/.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:00:15 No. 679732
>>679666 I thought we banned those freaks
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:03:13 No. 679739
>>679658 Lukashenka is still trying into power of this union. I like it.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:05:29 No. 679742
>>679717 The people doing so were dengoids, who refused to accept that China had allied with the CIA in funding Islamists alongside the CIA, even though they did to a lesser extent fund Maoists. Not Maoists or anarchists
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:06:36 No. 679744
>>679742 >China had allied with the CIA Imagine unironically thinking this.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:08:08 No. 679745
>>679744 imagine still fucking denying this. There is ridiculous amounts of evidence and it was a matter of public policy for China. They spent 400 million dollars throughout the 80s and 90s training, arming, and providing logistics to the afghan mujihadeen, as well providing literal intellegence on the soviet union to the CIA via listening posts. It is not something that is up for debate. It is a clear fact.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:10:54 No. 679750
>>679745 Can't enter the WTO without a few sacrifices son, geopolitics is complicated ok the us state department is right we must bring back order in Kazakhstan
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:15:31 No. 679754
China
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:19:22 No. 679760
>>679343 its ogre. revolution failed once again.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:20:03 No. 679762
>protests turn violent for a few days >die down pretty quickly after the government gets removed and fuel prices are capped <it's a worker's revolution!
DeutscherSchizoSPam 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:21:40 No. 679765
>>679762 well the military intervention does make it seem like a bit more than rwegular rioting
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:23:26 No. 679766
>>679760 No comrade, it has only begun.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:23:30 No. 679767
>>679762 Not a worker's revolution but the good ol party of anarchy against party of order fight.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:24:38 No. 679769
>>679765 the scale of the intervention is pretty minuscule, it's only a few thousand troops and they're literally only securing resource extraction industries
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:25:59 No. 679772
>>679769 The resource extraction industries are 90% of the Kazakh economy dog
DeutscherSchizoSPam 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:26:33 No. 679773
>>679769 yeah but the countries sending military are in pretty difficult condiions themselves so they probably have a good reason
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:29:11 No. 679777
>>679768 You should read more marx, the party of anarchy is a quirky name for historical party
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:31:51 No. 679779
>>679769 Still at least 6 times the number of troops the US sent to Rojava
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:36:35 No. 679782
Communist Party of Mexico: Solidarity with the struggle of the workers of Kazakhstan
In a statement concerning the ongoing popular mobilizations in Kazakhstan, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Mexico (PCM) expresses solidarity to the struggle of the working class of the Central Asian country.
More specifically, the CC of the PCM points out:
"The Communist Party of Mexico expresses its solidarity with the working class and the people of Kazakhstan in their just struggle against exploitation, oppression and excruciating misery.
We condemn the repressive measures of the government and we demand the immediate release of all those who have been detained.
We ask for an end to anti-communist measures and for the immediate end of the ban on the activities of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan and the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan.
Proletarians of all countries, unite!".
http://www.idcommunism.com/2022/01/communist-party-of-mexico-solidarity.html?m=1 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:41:00 No. 679790
>>679779 eh, the US at it's peak at around 6-10K troops in western Syria
officially only 600 :^)
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:42:51 No. 679792
>>679782 The PCTE (Communist Party of the Workers of Spain) also supports the protests.
So:
>KKE (Greek communists) supports the protests. >PCM (Mexican communists) supports the protests. >PCTE (Spanish communists) supports the protests. >CPUSA (Glows) DON'T support the protests. Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:44:41 No. 679794
>>679792 Only the Virginia section spoked against the protests unless I missed something. Still their fuck up for no centralism on international matters.
DeutscherSchizoSPam 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:49:32 No. 679798
>>679792 from what i've seen the Russian ML Party
KPRFseems sceptical of the events
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:49:38 No. 679800
>>679769 >only extraction industries Kek oh that’s okay then
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:05:05 No. 679809
Hungarian Worker's Party coming with the correct take.
Kazakhstan: popular discontent or external aggression? It seems it's both! The people are dissatisfied with the anti-people measures of the capitalist government. People are now beginning to understand that they have been deceived by the capitalist regime change. The masses are living worse than before, and the billionaires have become rich through exploitation. People have taken to the streets, but there is no revolutionary force to organize the masses, so there is no possibility for an anti-capitalist revolution yet.
The West is using the means of “color revolutions” to take control of the protests. The goal is for the West to take Kazakhstan and take another step towards the war against Russia. For the West, however, the main goal now is Ukraine.
https://munkaspart.hu/mi-ti-2/6416-kazahsztan-nepi-elegedetlenseg-vagy-kulso-agresszio Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:08:37 No. 679812
>>679798 >>679809 They fell for the color revolution meme and the spooky foreign organizers no one can find evidence of existence
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:12:25 No. 679818
>>679809 So the protests are genuine but the west wants to manipulate them. No evidence of if they have successfully done this, equally no evidence of a workers movement taking hold to do the same thing. Then a reference to Ukraine to make aspersions.
Hardly a colour revolution then. Although equally not a socialist revolution.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:14:15 No. 679821
>>679818 This is probably the most measured position, and arguably the more realistic one.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:15:28 No. 679822
>>679800 nah, I'm just pointing out that the intervention isn't to put down the protests, but more a move to preemptively place themselves if the government collapsed
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:17:39 No. 679824
>>679792 >>679782 >>678576 >>678578 >>678650 BASED Dengtards and Vlasovites squealing "c-c-colour revolution" are nervous.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:18:09 No. 679826
>>679815 Yeah but the US is equally spooked by what's happening, the official Russian line is that they're responsible tho. I guess turning a political crackdown against protesters into a narrative about anti terrorist operation against their main geopolitical opponent is interesting for them.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:24:08 No. 679829
>>679607 Read Debord and comprehend the integrated spectacle.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:31:23 No. 679831
>>679829 >De Leon Bored Overrated hack
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 15:35:00 No. 679832
>>679594 >>679607 >Now what It's a good situation for us on the one hand the protestors aren't shit and on the other hand the local powers in central Asia are suss on so called colour revolution and burger glow
Very much a heads we win, tails you lose situation in our favour
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:15:25 No. 679861
>>679853 Blackpill moment: Was this really the endgame of this trainwreck all along?
To liquidate parts of the old oligarchy to get a new one in its place?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:18:10 No. 679863
>>679861 Extremely improbable. The new guy is likely just distancing himself from a public figure symbolic of the corruption as a tactic to appease part of the protesters.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:18:14 No. 679864
>>679815 What advantage could they actually take?
Kazakhstan leadership have been obedient bitches to the IMF for 30 years, everything USians would want to buy in KZ they can and do, from shares in state companies to politicians themselves.
There's no "anti-imperialist" strongman to topple to further their interests, they already get everything they want out of it.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:18:19 No. 679865
>>679824 In the capital they are pushing for color revolution, in the steppes and country they are preparing for protracted peoples war using their horses against the PMC
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:21:34 No. 679869
This man who is part of a group called "rise socialists" had a zoom call with a leader of Socialist Movement Kazakhstan.
Here is content
https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1479487256033435655?s=20 Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:28:16 No. 679881
>>679861 I was originally saying it’s just a change of the guard, which is a distinct possibility, although dunno how that squares with the trigger being extraction industry strikes if that is indeed what kicked it off
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:31:07 No. 679882
>>679824 Noneof these statements are pro-prostest, but pro-workers. Re-read with care.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:34:19 No. 679885
>>679869 Read this post everyone. This is interview supposedly with a person leading the Socialist Movement Kazakhstan of what is happening
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:35:28 No. 679886
>>679635 Damn, the guy has it.
>>679575 So the unrest will not have soon an end.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:36:20 No. 679888
>>679884 Adventurism is when the vanguard is not followed by the masses retard, we are in the opposite situation there
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:38:35 No. 679890
>>679882 It's impossible to separate the proletariat from such protests which originated as a protest against price rises.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:47:50 No. 679900
>>679869 >bourgeois class solidarity That's right, and it shows that the primary contradiction is still between workers and capitalists, and that a lot of the "anti imperialist" crowd now plays the dividing role that was once accomplished by idpol radlibs.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:47:59 No. 679901
https://m.youtube.com/user/AKURMANOVify/videos I found protest footage by searching name of guy interviewed who is a leader of Kazakhstan socialist movement. His name is Ainur Kurmanov. Translated YouTube titles to English
https://mobile.twitter.com/ainurkurmanov He has an article published today
https://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article7467 🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:01:14 No. 679914
>>679906 Rpk-12s are the best lmg in bf4 ngl
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:02:27 No. 679915
>>679906 People on Twitter saying this feels way too off, and some even saying the Russian accent is too good to be Kazakh.
That said i invite anons to find more info on whoever the fuck these people are.
I sure as hell do not believe one bit these guys are related to socialism in any capacity.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:03:46 No. 679918
>>678873 Heh I posted that pic here a few weeks ago in the Russian thread.
>>630035 Looks awesome though, the civil war Red Army uniform is an absolue classic and the sight of a red-starred Budenovka still sends reactionaries into a demented rage.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:04:49 No. 679919
>>679906 >4 guys with weapons and a flag making a video This brings me back to the venezuela and juan Guaido days bros.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:05:37 No. 679921
>>679915 >and some even saying the Russian accent is too good to be Kazakh I mean, there are a LOT of Russians in Kazakhstan, in fact the northern part are pretty much russians in theory.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:06:34 No. 679922
>>679906 Blah blah russian occupation blah blah fight for independence and national unity blah blah organize insurgent militias.
Zero mention of class.
Sound like nationalist larpers, very cringe.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:07:29 No. 679923
>>679922 Post the complete speech if you can anon.That said what you're saying kinda confirms my overall vibe.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:09:23 No. 679926
>>679922 Also
>Kazakh nationalist <Making a video in perfect Russian <Not even a slogan in their language (at least from what emerges as of now) This shit feels too off to be real or good in any capacity
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:10:49 No. 679928
>>679916 >Protests in Zhanaozen started with workers protesting Chinese building more factories in Kazakhstan Better have source on that, first reports of protests I've seen were on the 4th with people protesting gas price hikes on city squares.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:12:27 No. 679932
>>679928 I'm talking about the previous protests.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhanaozen_massacre Present day protests are the same, though. You have Shevron, you have their glowies.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:12:31 No. 679933
>>679913 I don't think it is possible. Islamism ais too important for their culture, and unlike Spain which starting to purge judaism and islamism since 1492, Russia has been consistent in keeping the difficult harmony between these groups. I am always amazed of this about Russia.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:12:43 No. 679935
>>679915 >People on Twitter saying this feels way too off, and some even saying the Russian accent is too good to be Kazakh. >kazakh liberation front is russian Clearly putin is trying to overthrow the kazakhstan communist government. Why is he doing it bros?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:13:16 No. 679936
>>679901 >>679907 Thanks, gotta read him.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:14:43 No. 679937
>>679915 More people in there speak Russian than Kazakh, and much of Kazakhs speak perfect Russian with no accent, so it's not much of a point. The video is still pretty sus though.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:17:55 No. 679940
>>679900 I've also noticed the similarities recently
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:21:15 No. 679947
>>679932 Where did you get the workers protesting building new factories though? Workers there striked for better wages and labor rights, I'm not sure they gave a fuck who specifically owned the factory.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:29:42 No. 679951
>>679900 Correct.
Everything must be subjugated to the class question.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:30:08 No. 679954
>>679869 >Ainur pointed out that all of the opposition forces have been made illegal and liquidated by the regime over the last years. There does not appear to be any political force in the leadership of it - instead it is spontaneous with various committees of workers and strike committees playing roles in different areas. Important, take note
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:31:01 No. 679955
>>679621 This confirms my suspicion that the protests are in fact an attempt at color revolution.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:34:04 No. 679956
>>679955 Color revolution is when the proles get too rowdy near chinese business interests.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:34:08 No. 679957
i thought it was a burger/western coup d'etat to piss off putain, but our bourgeois atlanticist shitlib media hardly reports anything, if it was a cia plot they would be all over the place with >free elections >muh democracy >putin/china BTFO
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:34:46 No. 679959
>>679621 Lmao, Dengtards are truly shameless.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:36:02 No. 679961
>>679888 Yeah, so where is the vanguard with a mass movement following its revolutionary line?
are u retarded? Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:36:42 No. 679963
>>679956 The protests were sparked to draw Russian attention away from Ukraine.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:36:55 No. 679964
Can I get a quick rundown
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:38:43 No. 679966
>>679964 Don't bother, the whole thing is caused by geopolitical wrangling between US and Russia over NATO expansion in Europe. Recent negotiations have not gone well so the US is putting pressure on Russia from another direction.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:39:02 No. 679967
>>679963 Sparked how and by whom?
And what are westoids doing in Ukraine now that Russia is "distracted"?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:40:10 No. 679969
>>679963 the protests were sparked by high prices and bad conditions for the workers
seeing every movement as controlled by outside forces is a fascist narrative and I hate it became so nomalised on here by faggots like you
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:41:25 No. 679974
>France >gas price go up <revolt >Kazakhstan >gas price go up <revolt >no vanguard >protests with diluted class content >>>THIS IS THE REVOLUTION!!!
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:43:29 No. 679977
>>679974 Sure, it's not a revolution, still based though.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:44:35 No. 679979
>>679969 The most violent and organized parts of the protesters were trained in Ukraine and used identical organizational tactics as used in Maidan. While the Kazakh people have legitimate economic concerns the fast escalation, provision of weapons to protesters, and raids on military armories point to CIA interference.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:45:04 No. 679981
>>679969 Yeah it's where the whole "Jew Bolshevik" shit comes from, since fascists consider workers to be dumb subhumans who can't think for ourselves.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:46:00 No. 679983
>>679979 >The most violent and organized parts of the protesters were trained in Ukraine and used identical organizational tactics as used in Maidan Do you have a single fact to back that up
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:46:28 No. 679984
>>679979 >The most violent and organized parts of the protesters were trained in Ukraine sauce?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:46:53 No. 679985
>>679957 >could this actually be a legit people's uprising for once? It's always a possibily, but the likeliness of it happening are not very high. People here need to stop the black and white "analysis" of this being either a CIA sponsored color revolution or a workers' uprising that will lead to socialism. Could be just a spontaneous unorganized spark of violence and protest against an unpopular government, could lead to a thousand different outcomes or nothing.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:47:08 No. 679986
>>679979 >the fast escalation, provision of weapons to protesters, and raids on military armories point to CIA interference. Actually it points to chinese interference, because the kazakh government supports xinjiang uyghurs and trades with israel andthe west. The chinese wanted these protests to happen because they are securing their xinjiang province from interference across the border.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:47:39 No. 679989
>>679979 Dude, they're not Westoids. Stop assuming peoples all around the world need to engage in pissful protest or else it's an op. There have been plenty of protests that translated into civil conflicts before the CIA and NED were even a thing. This is your brain on a lack of historical materialism and too much online rot.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:48:23 No. 679990
>>679983 >>679984 See the videos of the "formations" of protesters being led by people wearing a read jackets. Same tactic used in Ukraine.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:49:57 No. 679992
>>679977 You don't understand anon, the brilliant analysts of leftypol have narrowed this event down to two possibilities: either a Western backed color revolution or a communist uprising that will lead to socialism. These are the only two outcomes that we have determined to be true.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:51:24 No. 679996
Reminder:
>The US government has a limited ability to intervene in this crisis; the United States has little influence in Kazakhstan, and it does not even have an ambassador there at the moment. In addition, many of the tools that the United States would normally use in this kind of situation (i.e., sanctions) are poorly suited for the Kazakh case; major American energy companies are deeply integrated into the Kazakh economy, and sanctions on these industries would risk production shortfalls that could impact America’s European allies. In addition, given the Russian sensitivity to the perception that the United States supports so-called color revolutions in the region, support for the Kazakh protestors is liable to increase tensions with Moscow, an unhelpful step in the current environment. The best approach for the US government here is likely to be a hands-off one, at least until more is known about the developing situation. <— Emma Ashford >We should be concerned about chaos not destroying the significant achievements of the people of Kazakhstan. It is a large country—three time zones—with considerable resources of oil, gas, uranium, wheat, and many other important commodities. It has an educated and tolerant people that suffered a lot in the Soviet era. The United States should definitely collect and analyze information, talk to everybody, protect considerable American investments there, and support sovereignty, territorial integrity, and the secular nature of Kazakhstan—which has excellent relations with the United States. <— Ariel Cohen https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-streets-of-kazakhstan-are-in-chaos-heres-why-the-west-should-be-watching/ Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:51:45 No. 679997
>>679990 >its led by outside forces because ppl wore red jackets are you serious?
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:53:03 No. 680003
>>679999 QUADS FOR KAZAKHSTAN SUPPORTING XINJIANG UYGHURS AND THE EAST TURKESTAN ISLAMIST INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:54:15 No. 680008
>>679978 Yellow vests were NEVER revolutionary, you booklet ultra moron. Several French commies arrived at this same conclusion.
Keep putting words in my mouth, cretin tripfag.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:54:34 No. 680010
>>679997 You have to do 5 years in CIA insurgence university to learn protest tactics, there's no other way to have a successful protest.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:54:52 No. 680011
>>679992 It's a protest that started due to dissatisfaction with economic prospects. Many Kazakhs are migrant workers in Russia, due to covid they lost their jobs in Russia and returned home only to find more unemployment leading to broad economic dissatisfaction. The fuel price increase is the immediate trigger on top of 2 years of economic downturn. However, the organized violence and attempts to seize military weapons is likely to be the CIA parasitically taking advantage of unrest to further their own agenda of miring Russia in another proxy war and to disrupt China's BRI.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:55:53 No. 680013
LMAO Israel is standing in solidarity with the kazakhstan government officials
https://twitter.com/LiorHaiat/status/1479367181754318849?s=20 Not looking good for you Putin bros
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:56:38 No. 680014
>>680013 If Israel sides with something, I'm on the opposite side
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:57:55 No. 680018
>>680013 Wtf BASED ANTI-INPERIALIST ISRAEL?!????!?
/s Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:58:30 No. 680020
>>679990 >See the videos of the "formations" of protesters being led by people wearing a read jackets Sauce
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:58:54 No. 680022
>>680013 A broken clock can be right etc..
DeutscherSchizoSPam 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:59:38 No. 680024
>>679957 Deutsch Bro es gibt wirklich recht wenig zu dem Thema in westlichen/deutschen medien "Welt" scheint aber mittlerweile zu berichten auch recht kritsich aber vergleichweise noch sehr zahm sie nennen den Präsident auch Präsident und nicht Diktator Autokrat etc
https://youtu.be/0vzpCKv4vjc Ist es möglich das es eine FarbRevolution aber nicht US sondern Deutschland bzw Kontinental Europäisch geführt ist?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:02:42 No. 680028
PUTIN BROS WTF!!!
The Kazakhstan Secretary of State met with Moshe Kamkhy, Israel's ambassador to Uzbekistan in August 2004 to discuss social and economic ties between the countries and moving the Israeli Embassy to Astana (now Nur-Sultan).
The two countries maintain close contacts in the defense and intelligence sector.[1] Ninety-five Kazakh farmers, managers, and scientists have trained in Israel.[2]
In April 2009, Kazakhstan's National Security Committee claimed that the country's Ministry of Defense knowingly bought faulty artillery and defense systems from Israeli weapons manufacturers. Kazhimurat Mayermanov, a deputy defense minister, was arrested in connection with the case.[1]
In June 2009, Israeli President Shimon Peres visited Kazakhstan, as he had a number of times as foreign minister.[3]
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attended the Kazakh-Israeli business forum in Astana in December 2016.[4] Netanyahu's visit to Kazakhstan was the first by an Israeli head of government.[4]
the Islamic Republic of Iran both publicly fumed about and privately tried to cancel Kazakhstan's ties to Israel, to no avail; Iran had earlier tried and failed to have the newly independent former-USSR Muslim majority states ally with them instead of Saudi Arabia and the U.S. in the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union, and their anti-Israel moves have been fairly similar in both style and results.
The embassy of Israel, now in Nur-Sultan (formerly Astana), Kazakhstan opened in August 1992. The embassy of Kazakhstan in Tel Aviv, Israel opened in May 1996.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Kazakhstan_relations DeutscherSchizoSPam 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:03:06 No. 680030
>>679986 Would be interesting but there isnt any precedence of china acting like this in the last time and i would see why the want russia to be there enemy
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:05:03 No. 680032
>>680000 I WANT TO BELIEVE.
SO HARD.
PLEASE BE TRUE.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:05:54 No. 680034
>>680008 >Yellow vests were NEVER revolutionary, you booklet ultra moron. I'm not an ultra. I support the communist party of china. I also support the socialist movement of kazakhstan, the communist party of kazakhstan, the peoples' party of kazakhstan, the KKE, the PKK, the NPA, the CPI, the CPRF, the Communist Party of Mexico, the UCP-CPSU, the RKWP.
>>680015 >here, I pulled unsubstantiated shit out of my ass >I'm a schizo tripfag anglo poster, btw It's just as unsubstantiated as calling the protestors CIA when the USA has both DENOUNCED the protests, AND ADMITTED THAT THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE INFLUENCE IN KAZAKHSTAN. FURTHERMORE, ISRAEL, TURKEY, THE EU AND ANTONY BLINKEN SUPPORT THE KAZAKH GOVERNMENT.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:07:52 No. 680036
>>680013 Booklet anti-imperialism be like:
>BAD country pro-u >therefore everything that goes on is 110% revolutionary And it is your ilk that accuses the other side of being "vulgar anti-American"
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:07:56 No. 680037
Ok, I haven't been up to date. What's going on and what's the deal with Kazahkstan?
DeutscherSchizoSPam 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:08:00 No. 680038
>>680034 do they really support the governemt or do they just say they do
To my understanding the only matierial support came from Russia Belarus and Armenia
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:08:21 No. 680039
>>680030 Kazakhstan supports turkestan -
>>679999 China hates turkestan -
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26414014 =
China hates kazakhstan
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:08:27 No. 680040
>>680034 I am not sure I have said thus to you, but are you aware that at the present moment it is very likely that:
I want to believe.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:09:13 No. 680045
China
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:11:32 No. 680048
>>680043 Shit talking my boy Luka?
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:12:07 No. 680050
>>680038 China has an official policy of "non-interference", and has stated that "foreign powers should not interfere in the kazakhstan situation". This means that they do not support CSTO intervention or an american color revolution.
This also means that it is entirely within the realm of possibility that china secretly supports the protests by the CPK and SMK because they are anti-xinjiang.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:12:35 No. 680053
>>680043 This glows more than a thousand galaxies.
It seems written by a deranged pro Ukraine lib on Twitter.
Insanely cringe.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:14:27 No. 680058
>>680051 >>680044 You are a CIA/Russian glowuyghur. It's okay to lump them together because they're on the same side here.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:17:19 No. 680063
>>680028 >the Islamic Republic of Iran both publicly fumed about and privately tried to cancel Kazakhstan's ties to Israel, to no avail; Iran had earlier tried and failed to have the newly independent former-USSR Muslim majority states ally with them instead of Saudi Arabia and the U.S. in the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union, and their anti-Israel moves have been fairly similar in both style and results. What if…
/leftypol/ tankies are US glowies? Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:18:25 No. 680064
We need a new thread jannies
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:22:56 No. 680070
>>680043 Note how the initial protests demanded lower gas prices and higher wages but these fucks have zero to say about any of that, just muh tyranny muh independence. They're either retarded or are trying to misdirect this on purpose. Hopefully those 4 guys with AKs is the extent of this "org".
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:23:55 No. 680071
>>680067 Cycling threads suck, that way you can't read older posts. Make a new one.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:49:17 No. 680353
>>679594 based, I no longer support this cia colour revolution
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:07:16 No. 680493
>>680024 das würde sogar passen weil wir grade echt gut billiges Gas brauchen können
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 20:46:52 No. 685620
"Lenin what the fuck! Why are you not supporting the British and American fight against Germanic imperialism! You're being violent right now! Don't you know that's fascist?"
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