/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>678090
Follow the party, start a business. Then sell business and give money to the party.

>>678114
You can also do underground shit to fund progressive movements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blekingegade_Gang

Just enjoy your life. You don't have to think about people suffering under capitalism if you are privileged. If you're not privileged and can feel the boot of capitalism stomping on you, then fight "within the liberal framework" to temporarily alleviate the situation.
Reminder that you only have this life. Don't waste it for some ideological cult. Only fight if it's necessary for you. You don't have to care about others.

>What should a marxist do until a chance for revolution falls into their lap?
Not going to happen. It must be built by the class conscious working class.
>Just keep on reading increasingly obscure marxist books and bicker about abstract theory points on the internet?
No point fighting and spending energy on dumb shit.
>Just try to win the current capitalist game by becoming a billionaire?
If you actually had the chance to accrue capital and remain a marxist than go for it, be a bourgeois class traitor.
>Fighting for reforms within the liberal framework is not an option because you guys only believe in the revolution.
You can fight for reforms as well, as immediate goals for building dual power. Read Lenin.

>>678137
>It must be built by the class conscious working class.
But this is not going to happen in a developed first world either. That's the lesson we learned over the past century. Not to mention how actual working class is reduced in the first world. Class consciousness can't develop when most people are okay with capitalism. People only hate neoliberalism.

>>678145
>third worldists actually believe this
Motherfucker even absent an organized left in America
and in the face of constant anticommunist propaganda, more than half the kids support socialism and communism over capitalism

>>678151
>more than half the kids support socialism and communism over capitalism
Supporting Biden isn't supposed communism wtf

>>678151
>more than half the kids support socialism and communism over capitalism
That's debunked already

Good question.

Let me start out with those ideas you have: fuck no

We need to build a party. A party and a party movement. Start off by reading this book I attached from cover to cover, it will explain what parties do, how communist parties got to where to were in the past.

Parties as book clubs, parties as social clubs, are all useless bullshit. Waiting for revolution doesn't work. Reformism doesn't work. Trying to get rich doesn't work (though if you can do it, it would be nice and helpful).
We need a party that will constantly have the correct line, consistently oppose the bouegoiesie and fight for working class interests, we need to build our own media, to make sure we cannot be censored, we need to build our own organisations for workers such as socializing, sports, culture, etc.

The outline is there in that book. Sadly for many of us without experience in actual communist parties, knowing what to do isn't that easy. That book really shows us a lot. The important thing for us to stop worrying about LTV too much and start researching old literature on how parties work how to organise etc, and formulate a new startegy. Also join a fucking org, any org, it doesn't matter, just get your feet wet and get experience. Alternatively, I am also reading the "cpusa a manual on organisation" right now, which has many pointers on how to structure your party and how to do union work, though I would take it with a pinch of salt.

Or get in the matrix and ask for comrade rat, I'm often ok around these times but not today.

>>678131
Much preferable than starting a business. Somebody post the link to Dread I am on my phone

>>678174
dark.fail

>>678185
Thanks. Go crazy comrades

>>678174
Pretty risky in 2022. You're much better off exploiting our financial institutions.

support grassroots unionization efforts
help link different union efforts in solidarity

>>678191
In what way? That's what I was getting at. Keep your crime behind the keyboard and use proper security measures and you will be good.

the other day in another thread an anon posted an excerpt from Georg Lukacs written in the early 20s called "Lenin: A Study on the Unity of his Thought." I think these were the highest times of the revolutionary movement and despite some things changing in the economy and geopolitics a lot of it is theoretically valid. I also have a hard-on for Lukacs since reading History and Class Consciousness and seeing how he influenced the Situationists. Inb4 Western Marxism, I'm talking about an older time when world revolution was on the agenda. Reading about the hypothesis of the 'actuality of the revolution' and the leading role of the proletariat in the liberation of all the oppressed has restored some of my old enthusiasm for classical Leninism.

>>678090
That boy needs to fall into my lap.
>>678132
Holy mother of glow and/or lolbertarianism. This poster is the enemy.

>>678224
>This poster is the enemy
It's a perfectly valid stance tho
Marxism isn't utopian socialism. You only participate in the struggle because you aren't content with your current situation. Otherwise there's no need to larp as a communist.

>>678157
Citation needed you worthless piece of shit.
My source: The victims of communism foundation.

>>678153
No you are correct which is why I stated very explicitly "support communism and socialism over capitalism".

Study and build organization. learn theory, new tactics and try to tune yourselves to what people want only socialism could give them, test policies in elections and talk to people. Do this so that when a revolutionary moment arises you aren't caught at your pant down and some reactionary rabble hijacks the dissatisfaction of the masses and channels it to reactionary ends. And of course above all live your fucking lives, improve yourselves and try to be happy whatever that means in your case. Just remember that if you have no org nor ideas and objective revolutionary moment is tomorrow, you are not going to have a socialist revolution.

Go among the workers and organize then.

>>678241
I can tell you're a lolbert tourist because you're concerned with the individual. You're projecting your own individualistic motivations onto me.
I don't want to be rich, I want to live in a system where the fruits of labor belong to the laborer and nobody exploits him. Not everybody is selfish like you.

Organize your org.
Read.
Write.
Network.
Organize other organizations.
Contact international organizations.
Build relations.
Pass notes and share experiences.
Improve.

When the time comes, you'll best have all the infrastructure of a party ready, no corruption, no bullshit drama, no cult of personality, have protocols in place to deal with issues, etc.

>>678241
>Marxism isn't utopian socialism. You only participate in the struggle because you aren't content with your current situation. Otherwise there's no need to larp as a communist.
That's true enough. At the same time, it's pointless advice. One assumes people are here for some reason, and it likely isn't because they feel they can be "content" or, per >>678132, can "just enjoy life" otherwise. I've always felt suspicious of "just enjoy" "and "have a good time" anyway, as such commands suggest mindless hedonism and have more than a whiff of something fundamentally childish.

>>678173
Is the CPUSA salvageable? Is it even worth trying to influence from the inside or what? Are there any American socialist groups that are even worth joining?

>>678342
Most people here are privileged enough that they have enough free time to shitpost on Chan sites.

>>679142
Yeah? Do you think actual workers post here.

Worst thread on /leftypol/ right now
DELETE

>>678958
CPUSA isn't salvageable IMO. Still mostly a paper membership of boomers and the org has a long history of popular frontism tailing the Democrat party. IIRC they explicitly declare their loyalty to the US constitution which is turbo cucked.

Rumor has it that there is a younger core of Stalinists pushing back against this "Khrushchov revisionism", but if you want to be an entryist, the best group to try to influence is undoubtedly the DSA. Right now it has more than 90,000 members, most of whom joined after 2016. Last year they adopted a surprisingly radical political platform / program with explicitly socialist demands. Granted, there are no measures to guarantee that members actually fight for the political platform, but it's a step in the right direction. DSA right now is very reminiscent of the Students for a Democratic Society from the 1960s. SDS collapsed into several dozen ML and Trot sects and faded into obscurity, hopefully DSA's radical elements can build a unified political party out of it.

>>679196

> mostly paper membership with a long history of popular frontism tailing the Democratic party

ah, so the exact same as the DSA and pretty much every single left wing org in the USA with more than a thousand members

>>679223
All left wing orgs greatly exaggerate their membership (usually paying dues isn't required for example) but I think the CPUSA is especially bad in this regard because of its long history. Either way, I think it's better to try to persuade zoomers to break up with the Dems than Boomers.

>>679231

maybe but I've been watching my local DSA chapter collapse into between 3-6 different ML and trot sects over the past month and a half (over internal response to Bowman stuff, black member splinter group resigning over alleged racism, and something about misappropriation of funds) and it's really difficult to see why it would go any differently than the SDS

left orgs are all a crapshoot, on average all have the exact same problems, and it's completely arbitrary to pick one over another

>>678958
I don't know, maybe they are, maybe they aren't.
But! Their members or a good part of them are. If you have nothing else, join them, network, get experience, spread your ideas. Sitting alone in your room is worse than trying to convince people in the cpusa to do something useful. At worst you have gained experience, at best you might take some people with you on a journey to something actually usefull while destroying the faux communist grip on the party.

>>679261
Guy who posted that book here, I would say it's up to you to spread the non sectarian message and strategy, to build up a small group around those ideas, and then talk to the splintered off groups (the ones that didn't steal money) about comming back as factions around the issue that made them leave.

Fighting sectarianism, especially when people are Stalin poisoned, is something we have to put effort into. But think of it this way instead: try to convince people of your ideas, connect them through a network, whatever the party is you're in, DSA or cpusa or something else. If all the orgs are shit, then the focus isn't the org, it's building up a network of people who aren't fucking retarded so that you may coordinate your future actions. That future may be reforming a specific group to be good, or worst case, getting expelled from all of them and having to build something new. The focus remains spreading your vision first and foremost within one org or several. Once you have an org where you have a large presence and influence, then you may decide to focus on that org specifically

Unsage this thread

>>679498
Done.

>>678090
I'm kinda considering starting a company, and try to get rich.

And then after that buy the life extension shit since that science is becoming the mainstream these days. And then just wait for an opportunity to take over a random nation and try to apply cyber socialism. And if it works use that as evidence to show socialism works.

Tho realistically I'm just going to be a exhausted worker slaving for a corporation until I die meanwhile Jeff bezos extends his life to the 500s

What the fuck is this bourgeois thread?
>>679565
Why?

>>679695
Because the anon is asking what the fuck they should do now that they have been convinced of communism, how to build a party.

>>680077
Oh ok then, carry on

Posting this Prashad clip again. I like what he says here about joining an org so you don't feel like you're trying to individually save the world but that you're part of a group or project that, and – in a way I hadn't thought about before – takes some mental pressure off you. I think that's a good attitude to have.

I heard him say elsewhere when asked about orgs, that he didn't get caught up on the alphabet soup of CPUSA/PSL/FRSO/DSA or whatever. The point, he said, isn't to build a "great party" that we all follow but to make everyone into a revolutionary. Then I guess the party follows from there.

I also think it's okay to just float around for awhile and try out different things. If there's something about an org that puts you off or makes you uncomfortable, it's okay to just not join it and work on something else. On the flip side, if there's something about it that you don't like and that you want to change, and you do join, I think it's better to work constructively to make that change happen rather than demanding everyone do what you say because Karl Marx came to you in a dream and told you that you're a genius. In other words: cut the whining.

The last thing I'll say is that politics involves a large number of potential traps that the vast majority of activists fall into repeatedly, but maturity requires that you be able to predict and manage those deviations, since you have ultimate responsibility for your own movement. I think debates around socialist tendencies also tend to orbit around which values should prevail, but pretty much everyone who adheres to a certain historical form or orientation of socialism has to reckon that there were defects and internal contradictions in that at some point (this goes for everyone), which makes boasting by any side rather pathetic.