Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:22:44 No. 678125
>>678113 Not today, officer
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:33:28 No. 678140
Why did you post the same thing twice
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 18:45:16 No. 678164
d-d-do y-you guise…. c-c-c-condone.. *GASP* revolutionary VIOLENCE???!??
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:44:30 No. 678297
>>678113 It's not about how this is justified or not, violence will always seems justified from the point of view of the one who's doing it, much less from the point of view of the one on the receiving end.
It's about whether violence is strategically and tactically productive, and this is highly context dependent.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 19:55:29 No. 678306
>>678297 If violence is "strategically and tactically productive" then it is justified and people who got killed deserved it?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:01:01 No. 678310
>>678113 Those rioters look like they'd make for one sick album cover.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:01:57 No. 678313
>>678306 They deserved it in the eyes of thoses who killed them and thoses who think the strategic move was good, they didn't deserve it from the point of view of the killed relatives and thoses who oppose the goal behind the violence.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:30:24 No. 678369
>Almost all marxist revolution resulted in a excessive parade of violence
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:35:25 No. 678381
>>678313 Do they deserve it from marxist pov?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:05:26 No. 678439
Left wing violence is always and has always been retaliatory. Most of the time when the working class or whatever left wing movement were gaining steam, the right comes in to crush the movement, and if the left wing succeeds they usually retaliate ten fold against the enemies of the revolution. We only pay blood for blood, never as an attack but to make an example example against the enemies of the revolution.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:28:02 No. 678469
>>678113 This is a board of peace.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:13:43 No. 678675
The good thing about a revolution is violence.
bloodgasm 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:32:45 No. 678705
>>678113 >Is revolutionary violence good or bad? Morals are a spook.
>Is it something you can celebrate? You can celebrate anything. Capitalism celebrates violence every waking hour.
>Is violence justified if it is used to overthrow capitalism? Idk capitalism hasn't been overthrown yet.
>Can violence ever be justified? Justice is a spook. You should know this fed.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:44:20 No. 678733
>>678458 Land of the free.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:51:06 No. 678748
>he hasn't found the femcel kleptolagnia threads yet
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:58:13 No. 678868
>>678113 Marg bar Amrika, death to your imperialist ambitions, langleyer
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:05:57 No. 679128
>>678439 >do you fear the red terror? If your answer is no There's something seriously wrong with you if think violence is anything but horrible for whatever reason possible.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:13:08 No. 679135
if there's anyone with impotent violent fantasies, it's all of the booj who constantly fantasize about killing the poors and coloreds and queers
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:23:28 No. 679150
>>679135 No, they don't wtf
They only think about profits and most of the time making profits don't align with killing people unless the state is involved to prepare a war for you. Most pacifists are liberals.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:25:31 No. 679153
>>679150 >most of the time making profits don't align with killing people making profits usually entails expropriating tons of people and sometimes even putting them in camps if it comes to that
read Capital
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:27:37 No. 679156
>>679153 That's not violence. It's just forcing people to slave for them.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:28:10 No. 679157
I'm a Gonzalo enthusiast
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:30:38 No. 679161
>>679159 You can't use self-defense logic in the first world.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:30:49 No. 679162
>>679156 it's mass, indirect violence
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:36:58 No. 679171
>>679162 ""indirect"" violence, you say? So it's not real and just subjective.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:40:46 No. 679176
>>679171 you're one tab click away from a /pol/ thread where you gloat about killing undesirables, aren't you
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:40:58 No. 679177
>>679170 Your ideology makes that seem like violence.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:43:28 No. 679180
>>679176 Why kill people when you can utilize them
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:47:33 No. 679185
>>679177 Not sure if glowie or lolbert.
Either way, just remember the workers outnumber you. Better stay on their good side. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:50:35 No. 679193
>>678705 I agree with you ignore all the pathetic pacifists
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:50:58 No. 679195
Literally all of politics is predicated on violence. You'd be lying otherwise.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:52:04 No. 679199
>>679185 I mean I don't think most people really want communism after the fall of soviet union. Anti-capitalist sentiments are channelled for other reactionary shit.
Most people just want a welfare state at best.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:52:55 No. 679200
>>679195 you need to be at least 18 to post here
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:54:52 No. 679205
I'd like it if we could just have a bloodless Carnation style revolution that brings socialism, but that doesn't happen becsuse no one gives away their power and privilege without a fight
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:55:36 No. 679209
>>679199 most people want the pre-determination of their lives used to provide the ruling class their power to be over
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:56:12 No. 679210
>>679202 Interesting. So you think it's okay to kill people to achieve communism?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:56:35 No. 679211
>>679199 Then let them have one. But you won't, because that's a threat to your profits. Even if social democracy is a release valve against extremism in difficult times as FDR knew, the porkies won't even budge and give us the most basic crumbs. When the most milquetoast of social democrats are demonized, ostracized, and called radical communists, they might as well just be radical communists.
This is why black people in America will burn down cities and police cars and smash windows. The punishment for existing is the same as the punishment for doing crime.
If you don't want people to fight back against capitalism, you should be begging for unions and social democrat welfare states. But the porkies want the whole fucking pie, and that will bite them in the ass, if not from people fighting back, then with climate change. Self-destruction is inevitable.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:58:23 No. 679213
>>679210 Not necessary murder innocence just murder the Bourgeoisie and the landlord's and state officials.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:00:53 No. 679216
>>679215 Well that's just pathetic
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:01:31 No. 679218
>>679211 >Then let them have one Only when things are about to go out of hand. Otherwise why bother? It's not like people are dying from over exploitation in first world.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:01:50 No. 679221
>>679213 And the reactionaries
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:02:34 No. 679222
>>679213 What about normal people in support for capitalism? There are a lot of them in developed countries.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:04:07 No. 679226
>>679211 social democracy isn't even a valve against extremism tbh, communist worker's action was born under the july monarchy which deliberately gave support and subsidies to workers so they wouldn't support another revolution. but even that wasn't enough really
like i said,
>>679209 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:04:55 No. 679227
>>679225 >>679222 I guess I will let them live
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:05:01 No. 679228
>>679211 >This is why black people in America will burn down cities and police cars and smash windows No, it's cause of their culture. Not everyone becomes violent when they're not pandered to. They do get a lot of affirmative action anyway and yet they choose to become gangsters.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:07:40 No. 679236
>>679218 I don't know what California bougie bubble you're living in, but things have been getting out of hand for a long time and worker movements are gaining traction in the first world. And yes, plenty of people are dying of exploitation and malnutrition.
When things are about to go out of hand, the people won't listen to your promises of petty concessions when they see the tables have turned and they can take the power. UBI was the right choice to make decades ago, you can't dangle it in front of a slavering crowd of revolutionaries - prevention is far less costly than a cure.
Capitalists really need to take a lesson from ceausescu. He tried doing lame concessions when the crowds were out for his blood, it didn't go well. And when they saw the writing on the wall, the army and all but the most loyal security services turned coat as well.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:11:53 No. 679238
>>679200 >Implying I'm wrong Again, literally all politics is predicated on violence. It's built into the very foundation of politics itself and the practice of such.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:12:16 No. 679240
>>679236 C'mon bro things are pretty tame compared to how they were a century ago. If nothing happened back then, I don't think anything will come out of libshit movements like BLM or landback. Dissatisfaction will be present in any society(even ussr failed to satisfy their people). It's cause humans can't see what they are blessed with and long for greener pastures. But I honestly don't see any communist sentiment bubbling beneath the surface.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:15:49 No. 679245
>>679240 >C'mon bro things are pretty tame compared to how they were a century ago. You can say this about any period in which revolution eventually emerged from.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:18:59 No. 679253
>>679238 maybe if you're the UN or NATO, but for actual people politics is actually nuanced
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:19:34 No. 679254
>>679245 Not really. Actual worker base was pretty huge back then and communist organizations enjoyed their fare share of popularity. There were also a lot of wars and political destability.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:20:45 No. 679255
>>679240 Then you're buying your own propaganda, not a very smart thing to do. Since 2020 we've seen just how fragile the system is, how little stress it can take before it teeters on the edge of collapse.
>>679245 This anon is correct, just remember that most kings and governments who've been overthrown probably felt pretty secure in their position.
You need to stop huffing your own bullshit of capitalist self-mythologizing or American exceptionalism or whatever and realize that if you don't want people doing violence, you should make the system more bearable.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:21:22 No. 679257
>>679253 How? Politics is nothing more than forcing your ideals on people. There's always violence of some kind involved.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:24:51 No. 679263
>>679255 >Since 2020 we've seen just how fragile the system is, how little stress it can take before it teeters on the edge of collapse. We've known this for a long time. Crises ain't nothing new for capitalism. In fact capitalism proved more resilient towards them than any socialist country because capitalists are willing to make necessary sacrifices.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:29:22 No. 679270
>>679263 The only thing they're willing to sacrifice are the workers.
When the workers realize they hold all the power, and that the bosses need them while they don't need the bosses, things become different.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:30:07 No. 679271
>>679265 is that lainchan? im not reading some greasy pizzaface's white noise rambling
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:35:48 No. 679277
>>679270 >The only thing they're willing to sacrifice are the workers. Not all workers. That's the key here. You have to carefully make compromises and appease right groups. Dividing workers and turning them against each other always works.
>When the workers realize they hold all the power, and that the bosses need them while they don't need the bosses, things become different. Workers have no clue what's going on in the world. They will always have a very limited view because of their circumstances. They spend most of their time wageslaving and then come home to enjoy garbage entertainment churned out by Hollywood or Japan. They'll lap up any lie that can benefit them. Collective Worker Consciousness is a meme.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:43:48 No. 679286
>>679199 Let me put this in terms you'll understand
See, the thing is, there'll always be a small portion of the population that reads Marx, realizes the reality of capitalist property relations and achieves class consciousness.
When things are worse, this "vanguard" is able to "redpill" more people about these realities and more people will become communist. This potential grows much higher in times where the class relations become extremely obvious even to the layman, like when they're bombarded with news stories highlighting the absurdities of capitalism. Those welfare state people and even standard liberals become radicalized.
Social democracy might have prevented this because people would be too comfortable to care about the class relations, but it can't stop it once it's already begun.
Add to this all the other contradictions of capitalism - the owners have every interest in paying less wages, but then the workers are too poor to afford the things they produce - basically all the shit the MSM has been blaming on "millennials": houses, cars, big luxury goods, families to produce more workers, etc. More workers start to become redpilled and refuse work, porkies cope with unproductive "nobody wants to work anymore" seething.
Your system is suicidal and it's going to take the rest of us with it while it dies in a hissy fit over how ungrateful we are.
>>679277 Well, now we have the internet. You wanted to get extra profits from Netflix and online stores? Good, now workers can browse r/antiwork on their phones and get radicalized in minutes. And all those babby sites act as a gateway for other ways of organizing with other workers. Congrats dumbfuck. The one thing capitalism does well is cucking itself.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:50:37 No. 679292
>>679286 Explain why revolutions never occurred in first world? They only happened in politically destabilized zones in underdeveloped semi-feudal uncivilized countries.
Now this is peak cringe. People who browse r/antiwork are high income fucks who just shitpost on the internet because they are bored of their bullshit jobs. They aren't actual workers.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:52:42 No. 679293
>>679292 Then you got nothing to worry about, right? Especially not from peaceful folks like us.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:55:06 No. 679294
>>679292 the first revolutions happened in the "first world"…
the english civil war, french revolution, 1848, paris commune
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:56:27 No. 679295
>>679293 You never know when a commie is planning another riot or assassination that'll take innocent people's lives and cause massive property destruction.
I have nothing against communists who are pacifists.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:57:29 No. 679296
>>679294 Obviously talking about communist revolution in liberal democratic countries(aka western civilization). Paris commune was just a temporary larp.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:58:25 No. 679298
>>679296 >liberal democratic countries(aka western civilization) aka meaningless buzzwords
>Paris commune was just a temporary larp. lol
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:00:31 No. 679299
>>679298 What? Why the fuck do you think French revolution that is responding to ancien regime is even relevant here?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:01:39 No. 679303
>>679294 Nice list of liberal revolutions
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:02:17 No. 679304
>>679299 why the fuck do you think talking about history that you clearly know next to nothing about on a forum centered around politics that you're hostile to is a good use of your time?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:03:54 No. 679308
>>679304 Keep deflecting. You still haven't shown a single revolution that happened in liberal democratic capitalist countries.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 06:16:32 No. 679321
>>679315 You don't live in that world. I've already said "They only happened in politically destabilized zones in underdeveloped semi-feudal uncivilized countries."
You're fighting with a different system and French revolution was full of liberals than socialists.
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