Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:22:35 No. 678351
Literacy and personal fitness are bourgeois decadence, comrade. Don't even get me started on the Platonic-fascist foundations of mathematics.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:25:30 No. 678357
Just a bunch of lazy fags kvetching about muh lifestylism, ignore them and get into self improvement. It's quite literally one of the only things in our lives that we have control over, so take advantage of that and develop yourself physically, intellectually, etc. to the best of your abilities.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:27:39 No. 678361
Any leftoid who is anti-self-improvement is a detriment to the cause and anti-dialectical. The class war requires strong soldiers and we will be strenghtened through struggle. Somebody who thinks self-improvement is unnecessary (or worse that it's reactionary) are christian eschatologists who have latched onto Communism as the end of days rather than the Rapture.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:28:26 No. 678362
>>678341 The strength of Communism is in the collective, comrade. Your comrades are there to lift you up as you are there to lift up your comrades. Engaging to activities of the self cause you to forget you are part of a larger collective, and dangerously confrontational with true Communistic Ideals.
Focus on lifting others up, and not yourself.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:30:22 No. 678368
>>678341 >learning the math necessary to understand Cockshott Learning the math to hate homosexuals
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:32:39 No. 678371
I've never seen anyone say they were against self improvement. The problem is the culture behind it. Bigger and stronger isn't inherently inherently better. Have you seen how stiff body builders are? Can barely even turn their head and are so slow they can't even punch they just fall with their fist forward.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:33:26 No. 678374
>>678371 I've seen plenty of leftists who call any sort of self-improvement "/pol/"
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:35:06 No. 678380
It’s an entire stupid huckster industry, that’s why.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:35:56 No. 678382
>>678374 Doubt that anybody in real life knows what /pol/ is
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:42:40 No. 678396
They're too influenced by anarcho-babby ideals
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:51:36 No. 678411
>>678341 I'm not religious and I don't go to church, but the best guys at my gym are these Christian boomers who get up at 4:30 a.m. to go work out and they're super positive and encouraging. I like that attitude.
The issue on the right is that they see everything in terms of an essentialized strong/weak and leader/follower hierarchy. So, I think the left should see things as part of a developing process and apply dialectics to self-improvement as well like the exchange of quantity into quality. So you may be physically weak, but you can work out and become strong by adding more and more "quantity" until there's a shift in "quality." Everything changes including human beings and it's meaningless to essentialize anybody like the right does. Many fingers are also stronger as a closed fist so we can practice collective self-improvement too.
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:51:57 No. 678412
>>678341 >Why are so many members of the left Anti-self improvement Wow that sure is a "leading question".
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:53:43 No. 678414
>>678371 There are other ways to become physically fit than to be a bodybuilder lmfao
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:55:13 No. 678420
>>678371 Not only that, but it’s funny how many people talk about self-improvement but are mentally ill, have a crippling addiction, (yes this includes anime, videogames, and internet), or are involved in a lifestyle cult.
The improvement of the mind ends up strangely neglected.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 20:57:54 No. 678428
It might be because individual strength is no substitute for collective strength, as the latter is more than just a sum of individuals. Collective activity and organization requires an iron willpower that doesn't necessarily arise from its physical form. If pure physical strength was actually as important as Westerners think, then the West wouldn't lose wars against malnourished Vietnamese rice farmers or Pashtun goat herders.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:02:10 No. 678434
>>678341 A note that we are against self-improvement ideology (which is just bootstraps ideology with grifter selling books characteristics)
Nothing wrong with improving your skills, health, etc. if you have means to do so and it serves the movement.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:05:04 No. 678438
>>678418 got deleted? Wow that really hit a nerve lol
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:06:08 No. 678443
>>678341 >Why are so many members of the left Anti-self improvement We are not against learning and living a healthy life, but "self improvement" has a strange naval gazing quality and a competitive aspect that makes people do weird shit. At least in liberal society health is seen as a zero sum-game between people, it's a reflection of capitalist economics, that only allows a few people to be rich.
>>678368 the cockhater has long on
the self made exploiter has log on
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:52:36 No. 678512
>>678374 >I've seen plenty of leftists who call any sort of self-improvement "/pol/" The culture behind it is incels that worship the mythic giga chad alpha. They watch endless videos trying to figure out how to get a chin. And get conned by self proclaimed self made millionares.
>>678414 >physically fit than to be a bodybuilder lmfao Tell that to OP. It's insinuated that's their ideal body type.
>>678420 >The improvement of the mind ends up strangely neglected. From what I've seen their idea of mental self improvement is to encourage others to stop taking their antipsychotics and mood stabalizers and provide no alternative.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:54:38 No. 678518
>>678447 >anyone that points out bourgeoisie excesses is fat >you have to improve yourself individually over your comrades, so that way we can make everyone great. Imagine thinking this and considering yourself a communist.
Individuality is antagonistic with Communism. Anything that sets you apart from the collective, sets you against the collective.
Go back to /fagismpol/
(Take the banned time to read theory) Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 21:57:49 No. 678526
>>678520 For individuals well it depends where they are at and what resources and opportunities they realistically have available. Humanity as a whole though yes.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:11:47 No. 678558
>>678518 I don't think that's true. I think fascists are the ones who really seek to lose themselves in a "crude" and mindless collective. Socialism entails a collectivism which doesn't suppress individualism, but is a collectivism which transcends (or sublates) individualism.
Marx:
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:27:14 No. 678587
>>678558 I get what you are saying, but the idea of the individual is antagonistic to the idea of the commune. Since individuality lends itself to individual liberty, which is one of the fundamental qualities existent in fascism. Individual liberty will then lend itself to the desire for private ownership, which will then lead to the same problems experienced by every state that has attempted to reach High Communism and been forced to stop at a Lower Communism or The Dictatorship of the Proletariat. When things stagnate at the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, revolutionary vigor is lost, capitalism, authoritarianism and cronyism weed their way in, the populace becomes destitute over time, and the Communist Party loses its way.
Hence, individuality is antagonistic to Communism/the idea of the Commune(High Communism) and leads it down a road in which it can not recover.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:29:02 No. 678594
>>678447 >It's ok my comrades, you too may improve. "Improve" implies muscley people are better and more valuable than chubby people. Cryptofascist emotion.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 22:30:30 No. 678600
>>678594 NTA, but you don’t have to be muscled. Just keep yourself in shape for health reasons and exercise recreationally. It’s a good and rewarding habit
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:07:32 No. 678660
>>678587 >I get what you are saying, but the idea of the individual is antagonistic to the idea of the commune. Excessive individualism is the focus on the particular or private at the expense of the general or common (and is a similar tendency to revisionism). Excessive collectivism – i.e. "barracks communism" – is what happens when we focus too much on the general and ignore the private, and is similar to dogmatic over-simplification.
And too much individualism is atomizing and destructive. Too much conformity is a bit boring. Or consciousness and praxis should reflect this reality and look at the world as a developing interaction between these contradictions.
So, I think it's a contradiction but not necessarily an antagonistic one – it's a non-antagonistic contradiction – so excessive individualism and its opposite can be rectified with education and debate.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:10:53 No. 678667
I think the fact of the matter is that the left can smell the bullshit of the right's obsession with self-improvement but the result of their half-assed work is merely a gaggle of poljaks and boomerdadbods with maybe a few chads here and there. The vast majority of the right's self improvement rhetoric is pure nonsense. The left however conflates the nonsense with actually helpful advice and liberals as a whole are married with a lot of the left (Despite being fakers) and as such poison it with their own decadence.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:15:11 No. 678677
>>678660 Education and debate are tools used by the Bourgeoisie to sneak capitialism and fascism into a Commune. Comrades can be educated on the nature of the collective and their place in it, but anything more is venturing into territory that threatens the Commune.
Being part of a collective is not boring, since there would always be much that needs done.
It most certainly is antagonistic. There is no debating it. If you believe differently, that is your own individual outlook, and it is dangerous to the goals of the collective and implementing Communism successfully.
Free thought outside the collective WILL lead to the downfall of the collective. Thought needs to be regulated in humans to maintain the collective.
Desiring free thought is natural, but dangerous. You should do better and trust the collective.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:17:40 No. 678679
>>678677 This feels like a weird liberal strawman of communism than it is the actual beliefs of communists themselves, hell fucking George Lucas said that the USSR had more freedom of shit that ou can put in their films and the only thing they couldn't do was criticize the USSR itself. While in the US you could likely get away with a critique of the US state but you couldn't really write anything that would be too normie unfriendly. If anything I would say that even tankie shit is more libertarian in nature than capitalism is.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:18:40 No. 678682
Who /revcel/ here?
We should start a movement dedicated to improving ourselves and others for the sake of the revolution, twist the right's obsession with self-help on its head.
>>678677 Man you sound like a caricature of a communist from a 1950s comic book, are you even real?
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:21:25 No. 678685
>>678679 >>678680 >>678682 >You disagree with my belief that Communism is about individuality so you must not actually be a Communist This is why High Communism will never be realized. Communists will always be led astray by bourgeoisie intellectuals masquerading as Communists.
Imagine being opportunists just seeking to use Communist Rhetoric to further your own individual desires.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:21:32 No. 678686
>>678518 >Individuality is antagonistic with Communism. Anything that sets you apart from the collective, sets you against the collective. you talk like a parody of communism dreamed up by the west. nothing in that post mentioned individual
ism only improving individuals as parts of the collective.
>>678594 self improvement only implies that a more-developed
you is better than your old self. the only way to see competition with others in it is to read that into it yourself (projection)
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:27:18 No. 678695
>>678691 >>678686 >Everything that is against my view of Communism is a parody Ok, comrade.
>>678691 The irony of an opportunist, the cause of counter-revolutionary defeatism, projecting onto someone else.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:29:13 No. 678698
>>678695 Now you're just being an insufferable asshole, fuck off back to /pol/ or Langley or wherever else you came from
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:31:39 No. 678702
I don't even really get how people can even see capitalism as being particularly individualistic in practice. If anything it enforces conformity more stringently than communism. You will just die out in the streets if you don't believe in what the liberals tell you, and if you're an actual threat to them (even if you don't use your power against them). It's not just thinking they suck ass, they hate people who think they suck ass and think communism is better. That is why they try to stifle communism in whatever means necessary, including trying to make it seem to the right that they are communists when they are actually as right as your most vicious arch-conservative.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:32:38 No. 678704
>>678698 Leftists discussing getting swole would probably attract them since that is objectively a threat.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:35:34 No. 678714
>>678698 >Everyone that disagrees with me is from /pol/ or is a fed. Ok, comrade.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:39:59 No. 678723
Like, I'm no puritan, but if I was my enemy then encouraging you guys to waste your bodies away or destroy them with drugs and alcohol would be one thing I'd do. Letting your enemies kill themselves is easier than doing it yourself. Trying to be disruptive and encouraging either revisionism or dogmatism would be another thing I'd do to attack the mind.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:48:30 No. 678740
Just admit that you call yourself a Communist because it is currently en vogue and gets you pussy.
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:56:50 No. 678760
>>678740 >Just admit that you call yourself a Communist because it is currently en vogue and gets you pussy. Wrong, I'm revcel
And I'm going to continue to commit thought crimes just to spite you
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:04:48 No. 678769
>>678371 There is a difference between body building and lifting though.
Do the big lifts, squats, deadlifts, bench, OHP, rows, and also work on cardio fitness, running/ swimming, and do some yoga or something if you want to be flexible. Ideally also a martial art
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:13:00 No. 678778
>>678341 >Why are so many members of the left Anti-self improvement Healthy people understand you can't steal someone else's fitness you have to earn it yourself. It is then a small step to apply that to everything else in your life including economics.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:14:49 No. 678783
>>678778 so nobody should be bourgeoisie eh?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:28:25 No. 678809
I'm here to shill and remind you of the fitness, martial arts and self-improvement threads on /hobby/
>>>/hobby/15840 >>>/hobby/5237 >>>/hobby/3525 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:13:44 No. 679009
>>678793 This.
It's all about le gains and body aesthetics with you fuckers, hardly anything about going full health mode.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:28:01 No. 679032
>>678341 All perceived 'ills' of leftism are caused by radlibs
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:52:57 No. 679058
>>679009 Problem is being real healthy requires resources or time many cant afford. It's between hiring a dietician and nutritionist or spending hours every day reading about proper nutrition. Between buying expensive health food or growing it yourself. Between drinking lead contaminated water and microplastic contaminated bottled water or an expensive filter system that has to be replaced every few months.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:02:45 No. 679070
>>678793 Weight classes exist for a reason. The bigger you are the more likely you are to beat someone in a fight. Also aesthetics are important. You don't want to be the frail skinny but good cardio 110 pound Communist. It's not good optics
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:22:02 No. 679087
>>679058 Then let’s not pretend self improvement is possible via weightlifting in such an environment and shame others for not doing so.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 03:23:47 No. 679089
>>679070 The revolution isn’t going to be boiled down to a fist fight with people on the street but about strategy, tactics and teamwork that one usually gains from playing sports.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:08:58 No. 679131
>>679058 >>679087 You're saying it as if proletarians don't have the income necessary for basic goods such as food. Also you don't need doctors advice to do some situps and pushups wtf are you on.
Most advice in regards to this is good enough with a search engine (basic fitness routines, basic nutritional facts)
>spending hours every day reading come on now lmao
>Between drinking lead contaminated water and microplastic contaminated bottled water or an expensive filter system yeah it's better to let these workers just not find out about them being poisoned by their atrocious bourgeois government instead of pointing to possible solutions?
Next your gonna tell me to check my literary privilege and moralize about the virtues of not giving a shit about people
>>679089 Moronic reductionistic thinking. It's not either or.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:15:05 No. 679137
You can literally use trash for weight lifting. This has nothing to do with income for the retarded moralizers ITT implying that you have to own a business to do some reps in your shoddy rented apartment every morning
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:18:28 No. 679141
>>679131 >It's not either or. Yes you fucking idiots ITT always reduce physical fitness to le gains all the time every time. Reduce revolutions to fist fights and revolutionary toweight classes yet cry about reductionism. The
homo fascist cries as he strikes you.
Instead of crying about individualism and shit, how about you take up some actual team sports. Maybe you might actually learn firsthand that revolutions and/or orgs need different people fulfilling different roles in order to complete one objective.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:22:31 No. 679149
>Why are so many members of the left Anti-self improvement if self improvement
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:27:06 No. 679155
I've been lifting for 10 years and don't feel like it has improved my life at all in any way whatsoever. I'm fact I've had a couple of minor injuries I wouldn't have had if I didn't lift.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:03:51 No. 679224
>>679070 >Muh aesthetics >Muh optics Working out is good, but this shit is autistic and always leads to the same insecure posturing from fags who are always going to be disappointed in whatever gains they or others make, to their own continual detriment. Work out for your health, get strong because it's useful to be so. Don't work out because you think it will make up for any "aesthetic failings" you have, because it won't, and "optics" is cope for political laziness. It was when I was on the right, and it is still cope when done by the left.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:07:33 No. 679235
>>679155 >it is still cope when done by the left. The (rad) left doesnt do thiz. Juat stupidpol fugees
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:14:06 No. 679242
>>678341 Exercise is fascist you fucking chinlet
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:14:17 No. 679243
>>679149 Yeah and I will still use it.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:16:36 No. 679248
>>679242 Obvious falseflag is obvious.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:22:54 No. 679259
>>679235 The thing is, I'm not even arguing against weight lifting. Doing so is healthy and should be incorporated in any exercise routine. Even after feeling blown out after lifting things all day at work, even I recognize that resting and then exercising with weights after can only help to keep me healthy and actually prevent injury later on. "Optics"fags though are retarded, and always have been.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 05:23:03 No. 679260
>>679243 Fair enough if u want to be more confident comrade. Just don't let it make you think k it'll make you a beast in the streets.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 08:54:49 No. 679436
You should do self-improvement, but it doesn't need to be the cookie cutter "lift and read theory" to become the ultimate commissar that can one punch kill the fash and dazzle the proles with easily understandable yet extremely convincing metaphors for communism.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:49:03 No. 679485
I lift weights and work out and all but I don't care for internet self improvement discourse. I especially dislike those rightoids that pin test for fraud gains and then spam imageboards and twitter with their "evropa degeneracy retvrn2tradcath orthodox soi test" bullshit.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:26:58 No. 679517
>>679131 The point is each individual has their limitations on what they can do and trying to shame them for it is how you create libs and fash.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:12:44 No. 679540
>>678341 Why do anything when the revolution is inevitable? Once we reach communism, we'll be able to lose weight quickly and become super fit, both in body and mind, thanks to the rapid technological advances the revolution will bring with it.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:37:41 No. 681929
Self development is anti-left because because you can't redistribute gains.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:46:05 No. 681938
>>681929 Oh yes you can son
Now if you want real gains get a physically rough job work hard at it and eat well Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:12:27 No. 682060
Fuck off, nazi retard.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:22:26 No. 682073
just workout it feels pretty good and even if its simple shit better than doing nothing
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:23:45 No. 682077
>>682060 There’s a fair share of socialist gyms in europe IIRC. Fitness is good for everyone, even if bodybuilding ain’t shit.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:58:25 No. 682132
>>678411 What movie is that clip from?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:02:48 No. 682142
>>682092 I still want to improve myself for me. I could do with chilling out more often but I really get a lot of enjoyment from improving myself and getting recognition from other people/meeting my own standards
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:03:32 No. 682143
>>682060 Apart from the underlying point that bodybuilding is retarded and muscle development isn't, your post is fucking stupid. Buzzwords!
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:10:35 No. 682149
>>682092 lifting makes me feel comfy tho
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 12:40:34 No. 683250
>>682149 I mean that’s fine, you do you, but treating bodybuilding as praxis is inherently fascist with ubermensch fantasy overtones which is why the alt-right suggests everyone lifts when their recruits inevitably talk about lacking self confidence, lacking a girlfriend, feeling scared when a black guy is in their vicinity, etc. for them it’s not a hobby, it’s praxis on the basis that it gives their followers dumb courage for violence at rallies if they’re conniving, or that they genuinely believe 300 supporters who lift will fend off thousands of lefties in an armed showdown with bullets bouncing off their pecs, if they’re dumb.
By all means lift, looking after your health is a great hobby, but it should never be an expectation of comrades because we need to be smarter than people lulling themselves into thinking revolution is just going full on gorilla mode while dressed like they’re private military contractors. We shouldn’t get drawn into the same mentality as that.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 14:25:22 No. 683330
>>678341 Nice home guillotine.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 14:26:30 No. 683332
>>683318 I think it depends on what you aim to get out of it, if it's Jordan Peterson idealism where you can solve your depression and alienation by tidying your room then yes. If it's some kind of militaristic larp about honing your body for war when you actually work in IT then also yes. Enjoying learning and doing new things for the hell of it, nah, although people who do this rarely refer to it as self-improvement.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 15:24:55 No. 683397
>>678341 Men really live like this.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 04:03:38 No. 684592
>>678594 >chubby >people Pick one
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 04:08:57 No. 684600
Ah yes a board filled with educated physically fit individuals that are constantly screeching each at each other to read and learn more about the world
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 04:14:47 No. 684607
>>678374 Stop browsing /fit/, then; lots of projection happening there.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 04:52:38 No. 684672
>>684592 You're right, chubby people aren't people; they're soft pillows to rest your head on. :)
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