Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:37:57 No. 678721
I swear by this point this is a psy op to cry wolf on an actual general strike
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:38:09 No. 678722
lmao disc-ord changes to fbi.gov
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:40:43 No. 678725
>uncommon flag choice >here to advertise some subreddit for an event four months from now >doesnt know about the wordfilters
Anonymous 2022-01-06 (Thu) 23:54:47 No. 678756
>>678725 i don't personally have a voice in this movement whatsoever but however i do support it. i used to use leftypol more frequently a couple months ago but i left for regular pol once more because this site is less active
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:02:39 No. 678766
Are there any unions involved besides the IWW? If not then good luck. Even the IWW probably wouldn’t be involved in something like this
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:08:21 No. 678772
For fucks sake, why not sooner? Burgers keep on doing this shit, it shows they don't understand the burger culture of flaking out when you schedule events too far in the future for our ADHD addled brains to comprehend.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 00:43:48 No. 678843
>>678772 Or they do understand and it's glowshit intended to demoralize people. Pretty sure Sage is right and they are trying to turn "general strike" into a meme the same way "video game boycott" is.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 02:18:47 No. 679017
>>678772 Preparing is bad why get ready when you can be spontaneous right?
>>678843 Why would glowies gain from memeing general strikes in what way is it "demoralizing"?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:15:43 No. 679138
>>679017 it's most likely not feds, just people new to the left who don't understand how labor organizing works or what strike planning entails.
this happens every six months and will happen every six months for the rest of your life
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:19:49 No. 679144
>>678766 wobs are not involved in this at all, it's just detached internet people who don't know what else to do than try to call for a strike on the internet
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:38:28 No. 679175
>>679017 >Why would glowies gain from memeing general strikes in what way is it "demoralizing"? People keep calling for general strikes and nothing happens? the public associates "general strike" with fizzle and in a situation where it might be possible to build up and do one, they just disregard it from pas bad experiences.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:41:39 No. 679178
>>679144 It's not that bad of an idea, either way it gains traction and ends up happening or it fizzles out and nothing is lost. 1st may is not a bad choice because it's the actual worker's day.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:47:04 No. 679184
stop trying to do a general strike for no real reason through the fucking internet oh my god
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 04:53:38 No. 679204
>>679178 it's definitely a bad idea and people should stop trying to do it.
these online calls for general strikes have by my count happened every few months since at least 2014 (same with "womens strike!!" etc), and they never do anything other than convince people that meaningful labor action isn't possible (and get the handful of people who walked out on their own fired)
it's draining for people to be involved in projects that fail and it just confuses people as to what the labor movement even is, people really need to stop doing this stuff
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:17:47 No. 679462
>>678721 >the general strike is a psyop against general strikes What?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:17:50 No. 679463
>>679138 >>679138 >it's most likely not feds, just people new to the left who don't understand how labor organizing works or what strike planning entails. Leftists (elsewhere) were saying the same thing about the october strike. I'll abstain my judgement until later. If other orgs pick it up, then nice. Otherwise no harm.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:37:05 No. 679472
>>679463 Old school leftists act like the internet isn't real and terminally online zoomers think it's everything. The truth is internet can be a formidable tool to trigger already brooding grievances into real struggles and amplify them into full blown movements. The Kazakh government didn't shut it down to prank bitcoin miners after all.
The window for that is closing though with the increasingly obscure algorithms used by tech giants monopolizing the internet, the state actors having more and more sophisticated tools to shape or censor discourses and the splinternet effect.
Nevertheless even if it didn't work (yet), it's ultimately a good thing to try to engineer a strike for worker's day trough decentralized means online, maybe the material conditions will align for this to work, who knows, and the context is a little bit "better" now with r/antiwork blowing up and the economy going down the drain
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:40:19 No. 679474
>>679472 >now with r/antiwork blowing up m8 not that I disagree with your post, but who is reddits userbase? Western middle class douchebags and upper middle class third worlders. They don't represent shit in the grand scale of things, because its mostly aesthetics for them
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:45:42 No. 679480
>>679474 It doesn't really matter who the reddit userbase is, if you have a forum of millions of people pushing for a general strike it will have some effect and resonate on all the other social media websites, and everybody use internet nowadays.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 09:57:43 No. 679494
>>679472 Agreed. It also makes porky get scared shitless and sometimes that works in our favor.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:19:23 No. 679510
>general strike >Coordinated through Reddit >With no demands >14k members on a 300 plus million population
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:42:32 No. 679524
>>679510 It's 16k now and not bad for a sub that was created two days ago.
Demands are in picrel
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 10:49:59 No. 679529
>reddit has a run of people declaring "lets all strike xD" on random funny-looking days like 2/2/22 >nothing will happen >conspiracy theories that it's a demoralization psyop and bots like in /r/wallstreetbets after their 10 days of fame >high voted replies saying "stop doing this "we did it reddit!" shit, don't shill until you organize a series of orgs or unions to actually participate this shit"
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:13:42 No. 679543
>>679524 Shit demands.
What is "livable", how long is the "paid parental leave"? This is just a recipe for scummy slimybag sucdems to backstab the workers and accept a shitty fucking nothingburger consession in exchange for some cushy job.
For fucks sake comrade, FORMULATE HARD FUCKING DEMANDS, LOOK AT THE FUCKING PAST, THEY SAID SHIT LIKE "8 HOUR WORK DAY", NOT "WORKABLE WORK DAY". FIGHT THIS LEFT LIBERAL BULLSHIT, MAKE THE DEMANDS HARD SO THE WORKERS KNOW WHAT THE ARE FIGHTING FOR
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:22:53 No. 679553
>>679474 >because its mostly aesthetics for them you're describing 99.9% of /leftypol/
>>679543 >Shit demands. moving goalposts. first it was no demands, now they're shit demands.
>What is "livable" how old are you, kid? "living/livable wage" is something you calculate.
https://livingwage.mit.edu/ do a web search before you make a fool out of yourself.
>how long is the "paid parental leave" I'm guessing Americans would be happy with any amount, since they currently don't get any
>This is just a recipe for scummy slimybag sucdems to backstab the workers and accept a shitty fucking nothingburger consession in exchange for some cushy job. drivel
>THEY SAID SHIT LIKE "8 HOUR WORK DAY" and look at us now, 100 years later still working 8 hour days.
>MAKE THE DEMANDS HARD SO THE WORKERS KNOW WHAT THE ARE FIGHTING FOR I like how you let the third person plural slip. you didn't say so WE know what we're fighting for, but THE WORKERS. must be nice criticising everything from a place where all your meals are cooked by mommy.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:23:34 No. 679555
>>679543 4 hour work day
4 day work week
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:27:38 No. 679559
>>679553 and 100% of reddit, thus making reddit even more retarded
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 11:33:37 No. 679567
>>679553 >I like how you let the third person plural slip Because im not a burger you fucking retard
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 12:37:50 No. 679625
>>679175 Like you're doing now?
This has been building up from the antiwork movement which has grown over a million members in the past couple years. Maybe you should recognize reddit's value as a gateway to actual organizing and go direct the people there to more productive things if you don't like it.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:00:16 No. 679665
>>679625 >Maybe you should recognize reddit's value as a gateway to actual organizing NTA, but why should he? He can't recognize it, because reddit is in fact not a gateway to organizing. This chan sure isn't either, if that's your point
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:03:53 No. 679672
>>679665 There's a shitton of service workers and other assorted wagies that are getting tired of being disrespected and worked to death by their jobs, and they're gathering there by the hundreds of thousands.
If you think they don't have any direction and all they do is useless, seems to me like that's fertile ground for recruiting people to whatever you think does have merit.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:25:14 No. 679700
They're trying to engineer another CHAZ/CHOP type event to degrade leftism in the eyes of normies. Get a bunch of inexperienced college undergrads and liberal boomers in public and have rightoid-media photogs circle the event like vultures. This and that /r/antiwork subreddit are the most obvious psyops I've seen in years.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 13:27:46 No. 679702
>>679672 I don't think they shouldn't be organising, but simply that reddit is bourgeois terrain through and through, so the wreckers and glowies will be left and right and since most of reddits userbase are privileged westerners, these demands will essentially be reformist. That's how I see it. Everything that happens on this website is always tainted in these facts
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:00:43 No. 679734
>>679702 Demands from workers and unions are always, always boringly reformists. But in a mass movement those become irrelevant because the point of a general strike is to expose the class contradictions to all and to build the revolutionary force trough struggle. Because the government and the capitalist class will never give in at first, they'll fight it and put the struggle in motion. Universal healthcare is already something the rulling class won't implement.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:13:50 No. 679752
>>679457 its not about who leads it, its about the fact you clearly don't know shit about unions or striking. Lets say these 14 thousand redditors all walk out of work on the same day, these redditors, diffuse across many industries and work places, most of them probably without proper union representation or discipline.
Know what happens? They get fired, and they have no recourse, because it wasn't a balloted strike, they have very little leverage with their workplace, who will replace them easily, because they didn't even bother to organise with their co workers, which would mean their boss actually had to listen, there was no strike fund, no calculated demand, nothing.
>>679462 the none general strike that won't happen and at best will result in a bunch of people getting fired or looking silly in front of their co workers undermines a properly organised, disciplined general strike yes.
>>679463 the october strikes were all lead by unions???
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:20:32 No. 679763
>>679752 >properly organised, disciplined general strike It's not how it works, historically leftists parties and unions were more often than not the rearguard of the general strikes.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 14:25:54 No. 679771
>>678719 they try and do this every year, again internet users are retarded
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:16:57 No. 679862
>>679463 There wasn't an october general strike, by every measure the supposed strike wave was about an order of magnitude smaller than strike levels in 2018 and 2019
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:27:12 No. 679877
>>679763 right, and a bunch of redditors completely disconnected from the rest of society are of course the true vanguard
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 16:41:05 No. 679895
>>679672 It isn't fertile ground for recruiting people to anything. Fundamentally the people posting there are not drawn from a population that is in a position to organize at work- they're coming from hot shops where most workers are ready to either quit or stunt on their boss for tiktok fame, which is not a situation that can lead to any long term organizing.
People said the exact same thing about e.g. the bernie campaign subs/chapo sub/r_unemployment back when those were the clearinghouse areas for workers to complain online, a lot of people tried to recruit from those too and it never amounts to anything.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:37:44 No. 679965
>>678721 >I swear by this point this is a psy op to cry wolf on an actual general strike Head off a general strike on May 1, which no-one else is proposing, by staging a general strike on May 1. Ingenious!It Higher order 4-D chess psy ops indeed.
>>679204 >get the handful of people who walked out on their own fired My guess but most of the reddit strikers aren't going to be in traditional unions or employment.
If you're a gig economy worker you just switch your app off on May 1, and wear a (covid) mask to whatever demo or rally is organised that day if you're really worried about opsec.
If you're on an agency contract, whether it's zero hours, part, or full time, you usually put your availability in the week before . So you just don't apply for any work slots for May 1.
>>679474 Western middle class douchebags and upper middle class third worlders.
<muh metropolitan elite half of whose wages go on rent >>679543 >This is just a recipe for scummy slimybag sucdems to backstab the workers and accept a shitty fucking nothingburger consession in exchange for some cushy job. Unlike paid union organisers using the workers for cannon fodder as a springboard for a job in the Labour Party or a book deal.
>>679752 >without proper union representation or discipline. It doesn't always help. The IWGB has organised strikes in the past which have got people fired. There was a strike of deliveroo workers in North London a couple of years ago. I think it was in Finsbury Park. Only half a dozen people showed up, and they all got sacked. Or the Medical Couriers strike. They all got sacked.
The striking gorillas workers in Germany all got sacked recently as well, despite being well organised.
Or are you talking about the bigger TUC unions? The problem is a lot of them are shit, frankly. Uber did a deal with one of them. I forget which one. But the deal doesn't involve negotiating over pay. So what are they going to demand? Free air fresheners to hang from the rear view mirror? But no danger of getting sacked by being in the union bc they're officially recognised by Uber.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:40:16 No. 679970
OMG we did it reddit
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 17:51:45 No. 679998
>>679965 this is true, but unions have funds set aside to support workers fired for action and legal infrastructure to sue for reinstatement and back-wages. basically the one thing it's illegal to do to a private sector worker in the USA is to fire them for organizing, but individual workers can't avail themselves of their section 7 rights (in practice if not de jure) and the one unambiguously good thing unions here do is enforce those rights. whereas if you're an idiot who gets radicalized to walk out of work from a bunch of reddit posts and gets fired you're shit out of luck
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:51:53 No. 682292
>>679700 Antiwork isn't a "psyop", it's what happens when you have spontaneous class consciousness with zero theoretical guidance to teach it
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