Kazakhstan 5.0: I Want To Believe Edition Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:29:17 No. 680083 [Last 50 Posts]
A happening is happening in Kazakhstan.
I profess I do not know,
Where things may go,
And though things may just glow,
I want to believe.
(Embedded video will ve Kagarlitsky discussing the happening. Though I don't trust his judgement all too much, I once again admit I want to believe).
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>>>/leftypol_archive/489758 >>>/leftypol_archive/490907 >>>/leftypol_archive/491424 >>677933 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:36:35 No. 680102
>>680098 Also the last comment about ukraine is VERY TELLING of how usa views this
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:37:26 No. 680104
>>680096 VULGAR ANTI-IMPERIALISTS X THE US CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:37:30 No. 680105
Any spanish speaking anons itt waiting to see if Ahi les Va make any videos on this topic? I'm interested to see what their take is
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:40:57 No. 680108
>>680105 Ahi les Va is literally funded by RT, I can already guess what their take will be.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:42:05 No. 680111
>>680098 Anyone who says this is a color revolution is retarded.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:43:14 No. 680114
>>680108 Lool. Director of Spanish RT works for them.
Yeah surely they'll go against Russia
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inna_Afinogenova Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:43:50 No. 680116
>>680108 They probably will have the Russian narrative take but I'm still interested in seeing what they have to say. It's unfortunate though that these people unilaterally make claims like this, yes with cases such as Belarus and Cuba recently it's quite obvious but right now with Kazakhstan it's not.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 18:50:52 No. 680122
>>680120 What a hardened man, shame he won’t be on the side of socialism
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:01:37 No. 680135
>>680120 "If only you knew how bad things really are"
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:12:48 No. 680151
>>680116 It is very obvious what is happening in kazahkstan if you just decide to not be a retard. The riots started with workers protesting deteriorating conditions from the neoliberal comprador shit hole state and many conscripts and policemen even refused to fight the protestors. America denounced the "damage to property and livelihood" and they own most of the oil extraction which was the center of the woers striking. CSTO obviously is also opposed and invaded Kazahkstan to suprress the revolts. China denounced the protestors and called them a colour revolution, from who? Who fucking knows, all the capitalist powers have denounced them, have interests in line with the Kazahkstan comprador regime and are supporting the suppression of the protests, sometimes directly, such as CSTO invading to secure resource extraction.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:14:07 No. 680153
>>680111 You mean a Russian chauvinist?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:14:46 No. 680155
>>680096
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:15:37 No. 680158
>>680120 Has the face of someone who has seen some serious shit.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:15:40 No. 680159
>>680155 >>680096 tankies is a nonsense term used for many different things and it doesn't belong anywhere outside of breadtube
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:15:41 No. 680160
>>680151 Guys, what if this is a colour revolution coordinated not by America or China or Russia but the EU?
I mean, we know that, supposedly, the european bourgeoisie is getting off track with NATO, so this might be their way to say that they're relevant?
What has the EU say?
We haven't thought of them!
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:17:09 No. 680167
>>680098 LMFAO pathetic Burgers
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:17:17 No. 680169
>>680142 stfu uygha you don’t get into that position without being the soldier who gets radioed in
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:17:47 No. 680170
>>680163 >just making shit up lol
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:18:49 No. 680173
>>680169 Yes you do. It's about class background and connections motherfucker. This is the Russian Federation army we are discussing, not a socialist one.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:19:03 No. 680175
>>680163 >I was going to do what the protestors asked >But they turned violent so I fired all of my government wdhmbt
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:19:06 No. 680176
>>680168 >We are very concerned. Literally the same phrase for everything.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:19:09 No. 680177
>>680163 Yeonmi Park vibes
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:20:39 No. 680179
>>680163 LMFAO protect foreign investors oh no
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:24:11 No. 680185
>>680163 Lmao, could he be any less specific if he tried when describing these supposed "terrorist groups organized outside the country"?
"Some of them were speaking non-Kazakh languages" – in a country where half the population does?
Were they wearing pants as well?? Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:24:34 No. 680186
>>680120 >Sedov >Trotskyists among protesters Wtf is going on.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:30:45 No. 680195
>>680163 I am more and more confirming this is just to oust Nazarbayev's influence, but with a combined organized attack.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:32:22 No. 680198
>>680194 >foreign influence >outside force Name them
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:37:52 No. 680206
>>680198 Well, Russia is pointing to ISIL.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:38:49 No. 680209
>>680206 How can ISIS possibly be behind these protests if both israel and turkey support the kazakh government?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:40:25 No. 680213
It would be funny if China's take is a reverse Shay and claim the protesters are ISIS and other pro-Xinjiang separatism islamists
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:41:23 No. 680217
>>680209 ISIL is not exactly israli. They would allow to heal them instead the Hamaz (backed by Iran) forces, but they directly do not fund them, Turkey on the other hand funds some branches, some others are independent of direct turkey funding.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:41:38 No. 680219
West must stand up to Russia in Kazakhstan, opposition leader says https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-west-must-stand-up-russia-kazakhstan-dissident-former-banker-says-2022-01-07/ >Protests that began as a response to a fuel price rise swelled this week into a broad movement against Nursultan Nazarbayev, who stepped aside as president in 2019 after decades in office but has remained the real power in Kazakhstan. >President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, Nazarbayev's hand-picked successor, has called in forces from ally Russia as part of a Moscow-led alliance known as the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). read more >Mukhtar Ablyazov, a former banker and government minister who is leader of an opposition movement called Democratic Choice of Kazakhstan, said the West needed to enter the fray. >"If not, then Kazakhstan will turn into Belarus and (Russian President Vladimir) Putin will methodically impose his programme - the recreation of a structure like the Soviet Union," Ablyazov told Reuters in Russian from Paris. "The West should tear Kazakhstan away from Russia." >"Russia has already entered, sent in troops. CSTO is Russia. This is an occupation by Russia," he said. >He did not say how the West should pull Kazakhstan out of Russia's orbit, or whether it should use force. >Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic, is wedged between Russia, China, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. >China would stand aside in Kazakhstan and simply observe events, Ablyazov said. >He served as energy minister in the 1990s under Nazarbayev but relations soured. Kazakh authorities say Ablyazov instigated and bankrolled protests in 2016 that forced Nazarbayev to delay unpopular land-ownership reforms. >Ablyazov cast Nazarbayev, who was Kazakh Communist Party chief before becoming president, as a dictator who had led Kazakhstan's people into a geopolitical dead-end while enriching a venal elite. >"Nazarbayev - he is not in the country right now - but it doesn't mean anything because he has telephone and communications - and everyone in power including Tokayev will do what he orders," he said, describing Tokayev as the former president's "furniture". >"I see myself as the leader of the opposition," Ablyazov said. "Every day the protesters call me and ask: 'What should we do? We are standing here: What should we do?'" >He said he was ready to go to Kazakhstan to head a provisional government if the protests escalated. >"I would not only return - people keep on asking when I will return and blame me for not returning to lead the protests - but people don't understand how difficult it would be for me to return as Russia has sentenced me to 15 years and Kazakhstan to life," he said. >Ablyazov dismissed suggestions that the West had financed the protests as an attempt to distract attention from the fact that the roots of the protests were domestic. >"I know the Soviet cliche of a Western spy, but I would be happy to be an American or European spy because then we would live like the people in America or Europe - and everyone would laugh," he said. "Sadly the West doesn't help me; the West hinders me." Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:43:38 No. 680222
>>680219 Bruh, if anything, they're standing FOR Russia lmao
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:44:05 No. 680223
>>680217 I meant to say Hezbollah* I fucking mix them up frequently, despite they are different.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:44:13 No. 680225
>>680219 It's just an opportunity to hand wring about Russia. CSTO probably will give American firms back their oil rigs and they will stop whining once it gets stale
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:44:35 No. 680227
>>680219 This guy is an opportunist trying to take advantage of real conflict and turmoil within people for himself. Which is fine to acknowledge and how bad he is for it
People like Ben Norton are using this though to slander the protestors and imply they are doing it themselves to get this man in power and they are controlled by him. Which is entirely dishonest
It's like when people on the right in the usa called "antifa" DNC soldiers or Biden voters etc when you know all of them hate him when speak to them
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:45:01 No. 680230
>>680219 This is just standard US-imperialist tripe from Reuters
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:46:02 No. 680231
>>680227 fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:47:09 No. 680233
>>680225 >>680227 Real needs tried to be co-opted by the west? Belarus 2.0
>>680219 >"I know the Soviet cliche of a Western spy, but I would be happy to be an American or European spy because then we would live like the people in America or Europe - and everyone would laugh," he said. "Sadly the West doesn't help me; the West hinders me." cringe Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:50:13 No. 680236
Ok guys so I think I've figured it out.>Revolution is leaded by trotskyist. >Kazakhstan is supposedly where the capital of the NWO (the illuminati) is. >It isn't leaded by the China. >It isn't leaded by Russia. >It isn't leaded by America. >It isn't leaded by the EU. >Everyone else doesn't matter in the geopolitical scale. >Revolution leaded by trots. Juan Posadas. WELCOME YOUR NEW ALIEN OVERLORDS SAYING: AYY LMAO
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:51:25 No. 680238
https://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article7467 In the artcile shared by one of the anons here is something interesting:
>Liberal opposition activists hastened to declare that it is they who coordinate the movement. and the calls of CSTO happened
after >P.S. After the article was published, it became known that in Almaty and some other cities there are heavy clashes, the protestors have seized many key infrastructure buildings in Almaty and other cities. Under pressure from the protests, President Tokayev made unprecedented social concessions – he promised state regulation of gas, gasoline and socially important goods, a moratorium on raising utility bills, subsidized rents for housing for the poor, and the creation of a public fund to support health care and children. Protesters also demanded a return to the 1993 Constitution and a government made up of people outside the system. And they still demand lower food prices and a reduction of the retirement age to 58-60, higher wages, pensions, child benefits, and so on. Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:53:20 No. 680240
>>680236 It's the Posadas-Bogdanoff-Illuminati Holy alliance
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:54:10 No. 680242
>>680096
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:54:28 No. 680243
>>680236 Further proof that the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan are Posadists;
Anons on leftypol have been saying "i want to believe" since the protests started. "I want to believe" is a slogan of UFOlogists.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:56:28 No. 680246
>>680240 And Bogdanoff even faked it's death so we wouldn't figure out it was him.
Everything is connected.
And they picked Kazakhstan so it would lower the price of Bitcoin.
It fits so well.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:58:07 No. 680249
>>680241 KARA BOGA!! WE WILL REBUILD THE CALIPHATE!
-kazakhstan protestors according to RT
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 19:58:36 No. 680250
Reminder: Hungarian Worker's Party coming with the correct take.
Kazakhstan: popular discontent or external aggression? It seems it's both! The people are dissatisfied with the anti-people measures of the capitalist government. People are now beginning to understand that they have been deceived by the capitalist regime change. The masses are living worse than before, and the billionaires have become rich through exploitation. People have taken to the streets, but there is no revolutionary force to organize the masses, so there is no possibility for an anti-capitalist revolution yet.
The West is using the means of “color revolutions” to take control of the protests. The goal is for the West to take Kazakhstan and take another step towards the war against Russia. For the West, however, the main goal now is Ukraine.
https://munkaspart.hu/mi-ti-2/6416-kazahsztan-nepi-elegedetlenseg-vagy-kulso-agresszio Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:00:43 No. 680254
>>680236 As the op creator of 5.0, I am very pleased that you have posted in the "I want to believe" spirit of this edition.
❤️
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:02:37 No. 680256
>>680236 Idealism so advanced it's indistinguishable from materialism is what revived Posadas. Onwards workers, we shall establish contact with the space comrades.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:04:53 No. 680259
this man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtar_Ablyazov has connections with organised crime leaders in the country (which hold a lot of power, respect and influence) and it would be interesting to speculate on the impact he could have on the protests.
obviously working class rage is a big part of all this, but believing it's only that is just as naive as believing it's only "external influence"
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:05:00 No. 680260
>>680236 >>680246 You forgot that the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan (one of the busiest in the world) is effectively out of service with all this stuff. And we don't even get news
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:06:25 No. 680263
>>680243 So, it must be funded by another nation, but no nation is funding it.
But here is where we have a problem, we are looking solely to the countries that are in THIS planet. Recognize the first point?
>Revolution leaded by trots. You know who else was a trot?
Indeed, Juan Posadas.
This can only mean one thing, the guys who are leading in the shadows this colour revolution is none other that extraterrestial in nature, it's being composed by Aliens from outer space, as the Posadas texts said.
This is the start of our union with the Intergalactic Socialist Confederation, and of course, porkies from all the world are uniting against this proletarian menace from outer space. This is why every goverment (that matter geopolitically) is supporting the goverment.
>Further proof that the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan are Posadists; >Anons on leftypol have been saying "i want to believe" since the protests started. "I want to believe" is a slogan of UFOlogists. Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:07:17 No. 680265
So, foreign influence aside, are socialists at all influential here or is it just weird nationalists like the four in the video showing off their guns?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:09:06 No. 680270
since we're on a speculation spree, in what ways (if at all) could this spill out into other countries (inside or outside the region) ?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:11:02 No. 680272
>>680267 *throat-sings l'internationale*
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:11:09 No. 680273
>>680270 Union of Reborn Soviet Socialist Republics by 2035 of course.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:11:31 No. 680274
>>680242 Neither Gorbachev nor Xi are the vanguard and in fact instead serve capitalist imperialism first and foremost.
The proletariat is on its own across the globe. From time to time it gains rudimentary class consciousness and is able to make spontaneous actions, like the Kazakh workers and strike committees.
Of course it ends with social, eurasian and western imperialists momentarily uniting to pipe it down.
Glow on, "based" porky.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:13:01 No. 680276
>>680265 The Communist Party of Kazakhstan (Kazakh: Қазақстан Коммунистік партиясы, Qazaqstan Kommunistık Partiasy, QKP; Russian: Коммунистическая партия Казахстана) is a banned political party in Kazakhstan.[1]
The party was banned in 2015 by the Almaty city court because the number of party members was below the legal number of 40,000. The sentence was denounced as politically motivated by the party leaders, and was condemned by the Communist Party of Greece, the Russian Communist Workers' Party and the Communist Party (Turkey).[5] However, the legality of the sentence was defended by the Communist People's Party of Kazakhstan, whose leadership accused the QHP of ignorance of the law. Despite having previously protested against the ban on the Communist Party of Ukraine, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation released no official statement on the matter.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Kazakhstan The Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan[a] is a communist political organisation in Kazakhstan.
The Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan was established by Kazakh members of the Committee for a Workers International in 2002, during a conference held in neighbouring Russia. From its inception it came under attack by authorities, with one member detained en route to the conference establishing the organisation, and others reporting being attacked as they gathered for the conference.[3]
Prominent members of the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan include Ainur Kurmanov and Esenbek Ukteshbayev, leaders of the independent Kazakh trade union 'Zhanartu', currently in exile. Along with other members of the Socialist Movement Kazakhstan, both have been subject to arbitrary imprisonment and attempts on their lives when within Kazakhstan.
In June 2012, Takhir Narimanovich Mukhamedzyanov, leader of the Socialist Movement Kazakhstan, was found dead in his home under suspicious circumstances, after receiving a range of death threats from state-affiliated interests.[4]
The Socialist Movement Kazakhstan supported the strike and demonstration by Kazakh oil workers in December 2011 in Zhanaozen, and accuse the government and Nursultan Nazarbayev's National Democratic Party of initiating a massacre.[5]
The Movement has been playing an important role in the 2022 Kazakh protests over rising fuel prices, supporting strikes all across Kazakhstan.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Movement_of_Kazakhstan Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:14:02 No. 680278
>>680265 Well, there was a video
>>680265 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1bnyC6Ifxc With a gathering of some workers, but you don't see socialist allegory.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:16:39 No. 680283
>>680270 Color revolution or not, I'd go as far as saying that Russia itself will be next….
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:20:05 No. 680289
Two MPs from the ruling party and members of the “State Commission for Rehabilitation”, the cadres to whom the government has entrusted the implementation of this unhistorical and dangerous task, proposed the criminal prosecution of those who “offend” Mustafa Shokai, the founder of the Turkestan Legion, i.e. parts of the Wehrmacht and Muslim SS battalions.
The Nazi “Turkestan Legion” operated in various European countries to suppress the partisan movements. It also conducted fascist cleansing operations against anti-fascists and civilians in Belarus, Poland, Greece, Italy, and Yugoslavia. The 789th battalion of the Turkestan Legion, after being “retrained” in Germany, was sent to Greece in 1943, where it fought against the EAM–ELAS partisans.
We condemn all immoral attempts to justify the Nazi criminals and their collaborators, as in the case of Kazakhstan, to erase the memory of the Soviet peoples and the Red Army that suffered huge losses in the struggle for the liberation of the USSR and Eastern Europe in the Great Patriotic War, crushing the Hitlerite military machine. We condemn any plan to criminalize all those who want to preserve the historical memory and the real history written by the people of Kazakhstan, as well as the collaborators of the Nazis and their activities.
https://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/The-authorities-are-historically-rehabilitating-the-Turkestan-Legion-of-the-Wehrmacht-and-the-SS-in-Kazakhstan/ Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:24:22 No. 680302
>>680163 <That last tweet You know (at least most of) the protesters are /ourguys/ just from the fact he felt COMPELLED to reassure Porkies.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:27:57 No. 680311
>>680297 >>680297 Marxist.org vs. Marxists.org 🤔
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:28:46 No. 680313
i was listening to some albums from this list a few weeks back and the random sentence "The next great spiritual and cultural Awakening will come from Central Asia" stuck with me. i think they had a point
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/Phallus_Dei/siberian-mongolian-shamanic-psychedelic-music_s/ Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:29:31 No. 680316
>>680311 Marxist.com is apparently IMT
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:33:11 No. 680319
>>680313 Turanic Juche 2022.
I. Want. To. Believe.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:35:51 No. 680324
Thread theme:
https://youtu.be/70cceChvgzQ?t=1383 Strikkeklubben - Current Concerns (23:03)
Big problems
Big solutions
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:38:00 No. 680327
"Solidarity with the workers and youth of Kazakhstan!"
This paper is supporting the protestors. Yo guys I'm kind of a newfag but i am more agreeable to Trotsky people position on these protest seems like than the people telling me the protestors being beat is based and Russian troops are just getting things in order
https://workerspower.uk/solidarity-with-the-workers-and-youth-of-kazakhstan/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers'_Power_(UK) Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:46:43 No. 680348
>>680344 >Afghan trap <In a country mostly made out of plains, with 20%+ native Russian population Beyond parody
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:47:00 No. 680349
>>680327 Trotskyites would tell you arabs springs were going to lead to something marvelous and socialism in the middle east.
I haev my hard skepticism, but yeah, it might happen the real needs could be co-opted, so either ends up as Bel 2.0 or euromaidan 2.0
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:52:21 No. 680355
>>680344 Those "socialists" that denounce the protestors as a colour revolution show their true colours.
Thia is incredibly generous of Caleb to show his true allegiances like this
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:54:44 No. 680356
>>680297 Ended up reading. What I don't like is the constant use of Twitter accounts western-based citing they are workers making claims they are all workers united or something.
In any case, the two writers are two Trotskyites outside of Kazhak with 0 in-ground infromation.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:56:29 No. 680358
>>680236 <Revolution leaded by trots <leaded Not sure if ESL, or a consequence of using book depositories to stage assassination scenarios instead of reading the books therein…
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:00:01 No. 680361
>>680344 Good old Caleb, never fails to amuse
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:10:57 No. 680370
>>680369 This is mr flying house who told Caleb Maupin that
Wew
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:12:39 No. 680371
>>680344 Very cool how he's denying Russia sending the troops is "invasion" and "aggression" when literally nobody says their are. NATO is cool with it. Like bro, who are you arguing with.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:12:42 No. 680373
>>680370 >Technological Promethianism Jesse, the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:13:21 No. 680374
Was it really all about the bitcoin?
>implying The Guardian is news https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/06/kazakhstan-bitcoin-internet-shutdown >>680250 Why does "ThE wEsT" even want Ukraine? It's full of Azov-nazi LARPers(the black sun culties) and Sexy Russian Separatists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaiden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya_(confederation) Same question for Pazzakstan
We have Trumples, Yellow Vests, BLM, members of the Keir Starmer wing of the labour party, and other political dissidents at home already. Why acquire more miles into inland Asia where your logistics overstretch and crap-out? To 'stabilize' our overextended eMpIrE of EvOrPa? My ego's huge but I'm feeling like Bismark insisting we not turn Austria/Hungary into a permanent enemy by taking territory. We (da' West) will at least need the neutrality of Russia if we wanted to oppose China or operate in the Middle East without meddling. Long term, global warming will provide a great deal of temperate arable land in Russia and their rare metals in the far east will be essential for battery and solar panel production. Why piss off the rising power you yourself are creating with your own incompetence?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:15:10 No. 680377
>>680370 The line between socdem and tankie is so porous that it has come down to a cultural difference
Am I wrong?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:15:45 No. 680379
>>680375 Gonna be honest didn't think that guy would have the right take lmao.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:16:42 No. 680381
>>680369 >>680370 hahahahqhhahqhqhqhqhahahahaha
he really has gone and jumped the shark huh?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:16:59 No. 680382
It's possible the riots are simply an internal power struggle between Tokaev (current president) and Nazarbaev (ex-president, who created a special post for himself called "Elbasy" which was essentially "above" president). Nazarbaev fled the country as soon as the riots in Almaty began, and Tokaev assumed the position as the head of the security council, cementing his power. Nazarbaev's loyalists in the military and police tried to obstruct Tokaev, which explains why Kazakhstan's security forces were not doing anything at the start and even went as far as to "surrender" while giving away the weapons to rioters. That is the reason why Tokaev went to CSTO to gain support and legitimacy from other countries. Seems that this has worked out well for him as rioters are getting pushed back now. Most of the shooting was between those two parties. If all of this is true, then we can expect the purges soon after the whole mess is finished as it looks like Tokaev won and basically ousted Nazarbaev & his family from power.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:18:03 No. 680384
>>680374 It's funny how they fly the orange/black St George colors against the Ukrop fashoid stuff. It reminds me how far we haven't come, where the ghosts of the past still haunt us. It's a similar situation in Asia, where the CPC/KMT are united against the Taiwanese mainly on the basis of shared historical struggle against the Japanese and the Taiwanese end up with Imperial Japan fanboys/worshippers. I can't wait for this period of history to go into the dustbin.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:18:03 No. 680385
>>680371 >Like bro, who are you arguing with. Reality
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:18:17 No. 680386
>>680369 >>680370 We have a gathering of minds here
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:20:14 No. 680394
>>680382 This is probably true, but this thing never go 100% smoothly.
If Kazakh comrades move well they could capitalize on inter elite fighting.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:21:12 No. 680395
>>680393 The ones saying it is a revolution are also westerners.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:22:09 No. 680396
>>680395 I'm not talking about westerners.
I'm talking specifically about them being exclusively burgers.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:22:28 No. 680398
>>680369 >prevent it being productively developed by China Russia Lol
China and US has the equal amount of investment in the region and the firms owned by either are absolutely indistinguishable in how much they (don't) develop.
They just extracting shit and export it, that's it.
There's not even anything to privatize for quick buck like in Belarus, you just can buy shares of "state" companies if you want a piece but otherwise it's already sold out.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:25:15 No. 680399
>>680395 The ones speaking English are all westerners because they live in the western spiral arm of the milky way.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/54481-far-out-in-the-uncharted-backwaters-of-the-unfashionable-end CHECKMATE! eastern spiral arm people who worship funny gods in silly clothes and have bad opinions because of the locations their parents once fucked and didn't move away from.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:25:37 No. 680400
>>680395 Most have maintained that it was/is a spontaneous uprising by immiserated Kazakh workers. You people repeatedly smearing about "oh it's not really a
ReVoLuTioN is it??" is missing the point by quite a large margin to then step back into the "grace" of some Eurasian/Asian bourgeoisie.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:29:19 No. 680406
>>680400 Because I have seen this plot tirelessly, I am don't jump to conclusions where there's no direct evidence that the violence is directed by workers organized to take the power.
>>680399 Now you are being silly.
>>680396 you got jason urunhe, there you go.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:30:33 No. 680408
>>680406 Not saying that all americans say that this is a colour revolution, I said that everyone who is saying this is a colour revolution are all americans.
Also isn't Jason Unruhe canadian or some shit?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:32:40 No. 680410
>>680406 >I don't jump to conclusions But this is a fair rational position to just wait. That is NOT what is being done by Ben Norton and his cadre and it's downstreams to their fans who take them as gospel. They'll say immediately this is CIA color revolution going against your recommendation of waiting and not concluding
The point of contention isn't if tomorrow a new president will take over and communism is here it is if the protest are by popular support and organic not propagated and planned by NGOs. That is where the discussion is to be had
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:33:06 No. 680412
China
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:33:12 No. 680413
>>680408 I myself, not anglo, not westerner, hold my skepticism.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:33:26 No. 680415
>>680394 If what we saw was a power struggle, that explains why the organized militant rioting was in the capital, the goal was for Nazarbaev's side to coup Tokaev. The protests in the smaller cities have been peaceful and less organized so those are probably angry workers protesting about the economy and unrelated to the power struggles going on in the capital. Perhaps it is wrong to speak of a single protest movement but rather there are several different enevts happening in parallel.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:33:38 No. 680416
>>680408 >everyone who is saying this is a colour revolution are all americans Pretty of nationalists here in russia take the "color revolution" line, since it's the official one.
All the communist orgs support the protesters though, this event is a pretty good shit test to determine who's based and who's a dumbass.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:35:54 No. 680421
>>680416 >Pretty of nationalists here in russia take the "color revolution" line, since it's the official one. I said:
>It's curious how all the communist Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:39:48 No. 680434
>>680373 Does he want a technocratic Intermarium or something?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:40:55 No. 680439
TL;DR is it a colour revolution or not?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:41:41 No. 680442
>>680406 'The first requirement for any revolutionary is a sense of humor' -Dr. Alexander Helphand
Fall of Eagles Ep.12
https://youtu.be/PGmGpGmXlLU?list=PLeeHYMdsfWkL2lEk8hHYoO9WHNfP_9fe2&t=1264 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:44:23 No. 680447
China, Russia, and the Zionist Empire have all come out in favor of the Kazakh government and against the protests and riots, which goes a long way to convince me that this is the real deal more than anything else
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:44:47 No. 680449
>>680439 Give it some more days
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:45:04 No. 680450
>>680439 Not conclussive, both sides claiming it is or it is not don't have conclussive proofs of anything.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:45:24 No. 680451
>>680447 For me is the Kazakh president literally telling Porkies "NOOOOOOO KEEP INVESTING NOOOOOOOOO IT'S ALL SAFE"
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:46:56 No. 680458
>>680451 That said I feel some episodes (the decapitations especially) signal that there's something shady that is trying to coopt the popular anger.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:48:49 No. 680460
>>680458 No shit there's actors trying to co-opt this but it's way more real than generated.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:54:00 No. 680466
>>680460 How can you be sure of that? Is what you claim even knowable?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:59:51 No. 680479
I'm not going to rule anything out okay I'll be charitable but a key indicator of west supporting some shit like this they have politicians, celebs and entertainers speak out about the abuse and brutality
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:17:33 No. 680509
>>680504
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:18:39 No. 680512
Is this event similar to the yellow vest movement?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:20:41 No. 680516
>>680412 Why are you doing this all the time? Why do you just post random words in threads?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:25:59 No. 680526
>>680519 >The fight for Kazakhstan promises a fat prize to the winner What the fuck do you mean? If you mean privatization then it's already done.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:27:26 No. 680530
>>680527 >But it is encouraging the attacks on govt buildings in Kazakhstan
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:28:21 No. 680532
>>680519 I mean the people already did win some concessions from rhe state
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:30:16 No. 680537
>>680449 >>680450 >>680439 It can't be a colour revolution if all sides are calling it a colour revolution and want the protests to be supressed
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:32:40 No. 680546
>>680466 If an energy price hike in the middle of winter during the second year of economic troubles while brownouts become more common because shitcoinners sucked up all the electricity isn't likely to cause massive unrest, please, tell me what will
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:33:13 No. 680547
>>680537 It can be if we are all colour blind.
Really though, do we have any interviews on the ground or just rando press footage and the old 2011 strike/murders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhanaozen_massacre .
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:33:14 No. 680548
>>680091 >>680098 kad se bratska srca slože… porky internationalism
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:33:38 No. 680549
>>680520 because russia bad
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:37:31 No. 680553
>>680547 There was people from the Kazahkstan socialist movement and various communist parties that seem to know about it. Kazahkstan keeps shutting off the internet so it's hard to get info, there was some stuff being shared on telegram apparently
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 22:54:30 No. 680579
>>680519 >2nd in asbestos wait a minute…
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:11:55 No. 680616
>>680591 Evil ambitions (higher wage and lower retirement age)
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:14:15 No. 680621
From these threads I have deduced these things
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:14:26 No. 680623
>>680236 Color Out Of Space Revolution
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:15:29 No. 680624
>>680591 Defend this dengoids.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:17:24 No. 680629
>>680624 Kazakhstan's productive forces aren't developed enough.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:19:53 No. 680634
>>680629 True, China and Russia didn't develop them enough.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:21:31 No. 680640
>>680637 This is your brain on idpol
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:23:27 No. 680647
>>680637 Pretty good Hu erotica fanfic I read once, can't rember what it was called
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:25:07 No. 680651
>>680624 DUde, you are a coping westoid baizuo and u don't udnertsand dialectics with chinese characteristics!!! >:C
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:34:43 No. 680677
Has Hakim given his take yet?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:34:57 No. 680679
>>680637 The difference is that Hu Jintao worked to prevent China from being bourgeoise
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:37:11 No. 680689
>>680677 Supports an initiative by al Qaeda to send islamists to start a civil war and create a caliphate in Kazakhstan
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:37:13 No. 680690
Requesting that future OPs state the one question every newcomer to this thread asks: are the protests popular or not?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:37:22 No. 680691
>>680458 How can there never be opportunists in a scenario like this?
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:45:38 No. 680711
>>680690 It bears repeating that,
Should the protests glow,
Popular or no,
I want to believe.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 23:51:04 No. 680724
LMAO these RT shills are now blaming turkey special forces for protest in Kazakhstan
This is a Twitter account that George Galloway keeps Retweeting over and over because posting so favorably to Russia
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1479599095501185024?s=20 Meanwhile in real life Erdogan has put out multiple statements supporting Kazakhstan on his own and with Turkic states
https://mobile.twitter.com/georgegalloway?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor https://twitter.com/trpresidency/status/1479144102381993987?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:06:10 No. 680759
What does mr. communist turned putinesque illiberal Nazarbayev think about this? Why do you think people like him exist? Just a careerist? Was he a theorylet or never a genuine communist? Or is it possible he was legit but the collapse changed him forever?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:08:35 No. 680761
>>680724 Haha this guy deleted the tweet
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:27:36 No. 680779
>>680769 I'm more interested in what "islamist thing" is being done in Kazakhstan.
Haven't seen any religious stuff at all.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:29:01 No. 680782
>>680769 Oh my goodness please yes: Judeo-Bolshevik Asiatic Hordes.
I WANT TO BELIEVE.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:31:18 No. 680787
>>680779 She just makes shit up lol
When Iran shot down a Ukrainian plane she kept blaming the usa
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:37:04 No. 680798
Lol, the larpy video about the "kazakh liberation front" is a fake shot in Ukraine by fbi.gov nazis
https://t.me/stranaua/22523 Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:43:10 No. 680807
To me, this seems like a authentic movement if the people. It is not western backed from inception however this will not stop CIA/glow from attempting to capture the movement and attempt to install a pro west puppet state. Russia recognises this and will attempt to install their own puppet first before the west have a chance.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:44:10 No. 680811
>>680759 It's the same old story as elsewhere. Some of you seem to have a very naive view of the political bureaucracy in the 80s, like they were genuine/legit believers that fought against the reactionary masses. Most of them became compradors during the transition, or oligarchs if they had the chance. The suggested reason by some westoids here is that more theory should have been read lol.
The only particularity that I see here is that you have one long-term leader yet no formation of national bourgeoisie unlike in Russia - turning Kazakhstan into a bigger periphery than was probably necessary from the standpoint of political power, he just played the role of a comprador for Western capital instead. In any case there are other reasons than lack of faith or lack of book club membership on his part, I'm pretty sure of that at least.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:50:27 No. 680822
>>680813 >>680816 Listen man if we don't watch out we will be have a rojava built in the usa! Also that guy screaming ACAB on the street? He was highly trained in Syria
Also be sure to tune in and watch her on RT for top tier analysis on American conflicts
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:53:57 No. 680825
>>680822 >That guy screaming ACAB on the street? He was highly trained in Syria. WTF, I didn't know everyone else on this board, including myself, was trained in Syria! That is incredible!
bloodgasm 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:55:00 No. 680826
>>680822 Dude Rojava just flew over my house!
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:58:55 No. 680832
>>680822 KEK
Does she have a manifesto or something? I need more of this shit.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:01:37 No. 680838
>>680832 >A manifesto >A girl who knows perfect english. >Who supposedly is in Syria. Did she make it there?!
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:01:45 No. 680839
>>680833 More like Syrian glowie girl
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:03:02 No. 680841
>>680838 She actually left Syria and lives in Australia lol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maram_Susli junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:03:36 No. 680842
WHY IS LITERALLY NO ONE ON THE SIDE OF THE PROTESTERS WHAT HTE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:03:50 No. 680843
Can someone give me a rundown on what exactly is happening?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:04:43 No. 680844
>>680841 So she made a university final paper using the finnishbolshevik as a source, got expelled, went to syria and then she chicken out and went to Australia?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:05:31 No. 680847
>>680843 Gas prices went up, people are angry at gov't. Superpowers try to instrumentalize the crisis in their favor.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:05:35 No. 680848
>>680845 Shit, meant for
>>680833 Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:06:39 No. 680849
>>680842 because it's not a glowie op for once… Real proletarian uprising. People talking about "guns handed out" are idiots, because we literally have videos of people busting in to armories after defeating police and taking the guns.
At the end of the day, it will be used by west/russia/china to achieve their aims, and the workers will suffer no matter what. If only french yellow vests weren't such cucks, we'd have had another paris commune.
Stand with chad kazakhstan
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:07:38 No. 680850
>>680839 Just a nationalist, you will find them in any country. Not as bad as being one of those """nationalists""" whose patriotism only extends to waving the flag, while they support right-wingers who prostitute their own country to foreign capital.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:09:40 No. 680853
>>680849 I guess that means Nursultan was secretly a communist and tried to coup the current government but failed. Or you know, it's an internal power struggle between different factions of Kazakh oligarchs.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:09:51 No. 680854
>>680807 They are failing so that others may learn. One of the few serious mass proletarian uprisings of our time that burst out of nothing in the span of 5 days.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:12:18 No. 680856
>>680842 The Western porky wants to keep stealing resources from Kazakhstan.
Russia and China want a stable government for geopolitical interests.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:13:22 No. 680858
>>680219 Ablyazov is an irrelevant opportunist
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:15:40 No. 680862
>>680151 If China calls them a color revolution then I believe them, no further arguments needed. I'll trust established socialism over a potential western puppet.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:18:33 No. 680867
>>680807 >They are pitifully pathetically failing God damn you happening fags are impatient.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:18:39 No. 680868
>>680853 internal power struggle doesn't preclude genuine discontent
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:18:50 No. 680870
>>680862 >established socialism Brainlet take
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:21:18 No. 680872
>>680870 Squatters aren't real socialism pal
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:23:18 No. 680874
>>680872 neither is larping as the cheka in 2022
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:27:22 No. 680878
The Communist Party of Workers of Spain expresses its support and solidarity with the workers' and popular mobilizations that are taking place in Kazakhstan and condemns the murders, arrests and attacks of all kinds that the police and military forces of the Kazakh Government are carrying out against protesters.
The strikes and mobilizations that have been taking place since January 2 are aimed at improving the living and working conditions of the Kazakh people, whose government has handed over a large part of the country's wealth to monopolies that benefit greatly from the absence of rights. trade unions and politicians of the country's working class.
We also denounce the intervention of foreign powers in the country, aimed both at repressing the protests and at trying to take advantage of them to aggravate the inter-imperialist confrontation.
For all this, we demand:
The immediate end to hostilities against the people and the withdrawal of troops from the cities
The release of all political prisoners and detainees
· The recovery of the right to create unions, political parties, carry out strikes and meetings
· The legalization of the activities of the outlawed Communist Party of Kazakhstan and the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan
Let us not allow bloc politics to cancel the class struggle.
Central Committee Press Office January 7, 2022
https://www.pcte.es/notas-de-prensa/el-pcte-en-solidaridad-con-la-lucha-del-pueblo-de-kazajistan/ https://twitter.com/prensaPCTE/status/1479445418517975042?s=20 Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:31:07 No. 680881
>>680862 >I'll trust established socialism over a potential western puppet. Kazakhstan gov is already subservient to Western porky for a long time, and Western representatives (USA, EU) have sided with the gov, shockingy.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:39:06 No. 680890
>>680862 Even though China has a long history of supporting anti communists and does so basically every time since the late Mao period…
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:45:18 No. 680898
>>680236 I yield. Take me on your ship and probe me while you launch the nukes
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:49:02 No. 680905
>>680890 What anti-communists has China ever supported in a non-realpolitik context?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:00:04 No. 680920
>>680905 >in a non-realpolitik context retarded qualifier and you don't even know what realpolitik means, it's just a buzz word to you
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:04:30 No. 680928
>>680769 she's a far right weirdo
of course they gave her a blue check lol Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:05:00 No. 680929
>>680920 You and the rest of your orthrodox marxist ilk are dead and forgotten in the annals of the 20th century
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:06:29 No. 680932
>>680782 The anGLOW fears the judeobolshevik horseman 🐴
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:06:49 No. 680933
>>680929 that doesn't mean anything
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:13:09 No. 680939
>>680869 >uhh, sweetie? >maybe, just maybe >maybe xyz bourgeois official knows more than you, pumpkin i remember when this is how Q tards coped
trump always knew more than you, was always planning something you cant see.
so just trust the plan!
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:14:45 No. 680942
>>680862 Look up who china has supported in their.foreign policy over the decades. It's always the reactionary or retarded side.
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:16:09 No. 680943
>>680905 >What anti-communists has China ever supported oh well i've got a list right here a mile lo-
>in a non-realpolitik context? Wtf i am dumbfounded now!
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:19:40 No. 680948
>>680624 China is trying to become the dominant world superpower and has no time to do things that will hinder that goal such as threaten the entire globe by funding disorganized and hopeless rioters trying to destabilize an important trading partner, before they are a global leader in both innovation and new forms of industrialization. You may not like it and in an ideal world it wouldn't be so, but in the long run when considering real material conditions China playing it safe up until they can safely push the world to socialism is bound to be more effective than idealistically trying to declare war against all of the world as of now. Such a large and populated country with so much potential like China being socialist is too valuable for an eventual global socialism to risk on rioters in Kazakhstan. China will eventually be able to spread their influence abroad, but until then due to their analysis of the material conditions they must uphold the principle of not exporting ideology for the sake of keeping their state alive first and foremost. Some socialists actually learned from the demise of the USSR and are not willing to repeat its mistakes. Again, in an ideal world it wouldn't be so, but as Marxists we should understand that idealism isn't what drives progress.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:21:30 No. 680950
>>680939 lmao good analogy
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:25:18 No. 680954
>>680948 >>680939 <TRUST THE PLAN God you are so fucking stupid. You say >as marxists but you simp for an imperialist capitalist regime that supports comprador regimes against communist revolutionaries. China is not a socialist nation and China is not a benevloent benefactor of world socialism and geopolitical relationships. China will imperialize your nation and kill any communists in it that stand in it's way. China is growing in power as the western imperialists such as America decay. In the future China will be a mich bigger obstacle to world socialism than America is.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:27:30 No. 680957
>>680948 Finally a reasonable take.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:32:33 No. 680964
>>680956 So you agree with everything I'm saying and can find no faults?
>>680957 >China will probably do socialism once they are the world superpower, don't get in their way >reasonable take Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:33:38 No. 680966
>>680956 also it's quiet not quite
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:34:23 No. 680967
>>680966 oops thanks for pointing that out
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:35:15 No. 680969
>>680965 How do I do this it only gives me Russian as language option
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:36:33 No. 680971
People have had their brains turned to mush by people calling everything a "colour revolution".
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:36:40 No. 680972
>>680967 no problem you servile cuck
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:37:56 No. 680973
>>680948 People in Kasachstan are dying in the streets, fighting for some crumbs, while comfy dengists on the internet tell them to just eat cake.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:38:17 No. 680975
>>680958 Yes, unironically, why is it so difficult for you retards to acknowledge that china is still developing its productive forces, and eventually when the conditions are just right it will embark in a socialist jihad to bring fully automated space gay communism.
Or in the worst case scenario, cheaper aliexpress prices.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:38:31 No. 680976
>>680972 Appreciate you looking out for me comrade, even if you're schizo.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:39:18 No. 680978
>>680973 We will honor their sacrifice when China wins. Reality is cruel.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:39:22 No. 680980
>>680969 You need to watch in a web browser in desktop mode. If you are on a phone I would recommend the brave browser.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:41:45 No. 680983
>>680980 Thank you! Had no idea could do this on YouTube
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:43:11 No. 680985
>>680978 This is easy to say, when its not about your own skin.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:44:08 No. 680987
>>680973 >comfy dengists on the internet There are almost 100 million members of the CPC who stand with the party while westerns reject their construction of socialism while not being able to influence anything themselves.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:44:47 No. 680988
>>680985 I know that, I'm lucky. But sacrifices are inevitable.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:45:05 No. 680989
https://youtu.be/lFIqig0p9-Y weird comment section full of copy paste replies, this can be see in othet related videos too
odd
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:46:16 No. 680990
>>680983 Oh my goodness are you in for a treat then! Russian communist youtube is incredible; Though it has a lot of flaws, its like the fucking garden of eden compared to westoid shit.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:46:44 No. 680991
>>680989 Youtube is full of bots. Probably most mainstream social media is.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:47:13 No. 680992
>>680973 There is every reason to be paranoid about any potential color revolutions tbh.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:47:38 No. 680993
>>680985 Reality is deadly no matter what, you sound like someone saying that we should peacefully vote in socialism because a revolution would be too deadly. Yes in an ideal world things would be so simple and peaceful, but by continuing pursuit of idealist means you are causing more suffering in the long run. In an ideal world the CPC could just wish everyone socialist, but in the material world they must understand that sacrifices are necessary.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:47:47 No. 680994
>>680988 Dengists are pure scum.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:49:58 No. 680997
>>680994 China has the most powerful communist party and one of the few communist parties with actual governing experience. It makes sense to consider their viewpoint on the protests in Kazakhstan.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:50:48 No. 680998
>>680987 The Chinese state apparatus arrests actual communists and if not ban then marginilizes communist organisations and media in the same fashion that the west does, through the bourgeois controlled superstructure. The proletariat needs to seize the state and economy in order to return to a socialist path. The CCP leadership has 0 interest in doing so themselves
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:51:33 No. 681001
>>680997 Please, just shut up you piece of dengist shit and suck socialist billionaire cock with chinese characteristics.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:52:05 No. 681002
So this is a "Prague Spring" moment?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:52:20 No. 681003
>>681001 The idealist cries in rage at material reality.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:52:22 No. 681004
>>680997 China isn't communist, the CCP is literally a fake communist party that through all it's actions is anticommunist and imperialist
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:52:45 No. 681005
>>681002 No, read the thread you moron.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:53:34 No. 681006
>>680999 Nice job backing the Ned retard
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:53:44 No. 681007
>>680990 I watched the whole video. Man that guy explained that so well regarding their demands and difference in other places.
I will definitely be watching his stuff from now on
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:53:57 No. 681008
>>681001 You're letting support for some protest movement which you know almost nothing about become a part of your identity. This too is a form of identity politics. Take a step back and try to be stoic. Focus on learning the truth not jumping on a hype train.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:54:15 No. 681010
Just a note that this is a thread about kazakhstan; Debates about the nature of the cpc don't belong here.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:55:28 No. 681013
>>680948 How big of a risk does it pose to China if Western plundering of Kazakhstan is interrupted and there's potentially a leftist regime change down the line? Wouldn't it make more sense for China to create their own (red) "color revolution" in Kazakhstan and support the socialist party there? Think of the resources that could be sold to China instead even.
IMO China simply doesn't want to bother, it creates more nuisance for them and their focus is spread elsewhere, Beijing 2022 is also coming up, etc. It's not because they're thinking of the future Kazakh socialism in 100 years.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:55:59 No. 681015
>>681010 It is somewhat relevant given China's proclaiming support for the Kazahkstan government. Some troll pretended Russia was communist in the same fashion in a previous thread
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:57:49 No. 681016
>>681013 China will support whatever outcome results from the current situation in Kazakhstan. See their support for both the US puppet government in Afghanistan and also the new Taliban government.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:57:52 No. 681017
>>681013 >there's potentially a leftist regime change down the line? No. China's puppet governments are usually right wing anticommunists like in the philipines because that kind of authoritatian neoliberal regime is typical of a comprador regime that allows foreign capital to plunder it
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 02:59:17 No. 681019
>>681006 Provide proofs or pipe down.
Communists from Russia, Mexico, Spain have correctly perceived this as originated with protests over prices. And the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan is involved.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:00:16 No. 681022
>>681019 How did they "perceive" this fact, are communists clairvoyant now?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:03:30 No. 681026
>>681007 You are very welcome. Yulin is pretty solid as a marxist and historian. Have a look at his discussion on the Puchkov (Goblin) channel.
Also recommend following Rabkor (Kagarlitsky), Vestnik Buri (Rudoy/ kinda crinfey and halftrot but with some pretty solid vids), Konstantin Syomin (journalist), Klim Zhukov (historian), Tubus Show, hell even Den tv (Soviet Boomer channel).
If you are using the auto translate generally, I also recommend libtropiques, aymeric monville, loic chagneau and 902.gr the kne podcast (greek communist youth, ποντκαστ της κνε)
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:04:02 No. 681027
>>681025 These people have no real power, what will happen is that some liberal will get into power, become a dictator themselves but this time aligned with the US instead. The US has been doing color revolutions around China's periphery for quite a damn while. Such as the various coups and shit.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:05:30 No. 681030
>>681027 Kazakhstan is already aligned with the US.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:05:49 No. 681032
>>681025 Again, for the 100x time. None of that is "le support for the based protest". Is for the working struggle.
Fuck, I am making now a statement in favor of the U.S. working class. Am I in favor of a U.S. civil war? of fucking course not.
There you go. Don't read beyond the lines, because it is all a gesture: If the outcome is good, they can say "here, we declared in favor for you".
Can you not be so deliriant?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:06:30 No. 681034
>>681020 Thanks for posting this. This line is very important:
>The factories where the strikes began, said Kurmanov, are predominantly owned by U.S. and British capital. “The factories where the strikes began are factories of Kazakh oligarchs and western partners, led by the Nazarbayev family” he added. That line supports the hypothesis that the protests are being used as part of an intra-oligarch power struggle between Nazarbayev and Tokaev. Tokaev faction is looking to purge Nazarbayev and take his assets.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:07:31 No. 681035
>>681032 Lmao, protests are part of class struggle. Demonstration rouses the will to fight.
And if you're not in favour of civil war between the classes, you aren't a communist.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:08:21 No. 681037
>>681035 >protests are part of class struggle Name one in the 21st century being violent and being favorable for socialists struglle, go on, faggot.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:11:35 No. 681039
>>681037 >fulfill very easy request you faggot Ok. India
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:12:53 No. 681040
>>681039 le wut? the very socialist state of India.
Is this some sort of infantile disorder?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:14:15 No. 681042
>>681037 Anti-austerity protests.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:15:41 No. 681044
>>681040 (me)
Also, the violent struggles you see with communists in the 21st century are full of red allegory, red aesthetics, red chant, Marx, Lenin appearing everywhere.
THERE'S NONE OF THAT Just wait till things evolve, ffs.
I still remember, too, when everyone laughed at Gadaffi when he said Al-Qaeda was behind much of the attacks in Lybia.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:17:12 No. 681047
>>681026 Thank you for recommendations
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:17:55 No. 681048
>>681044 The communist party in Kazakhstan is banned by the Russian-American comprador regime.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:17:58 No. 681049
>>681040 I'm referring to the farmers strike and also millions of communists that protested in India
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:18:38 No. 681050
>>681016 If they support the current gov then you can't really say they support whatever outcome. In effect they support the status quo against the worker protests. I'm not saying they don't have good reasons in the larger context, but you can't pretend it's a neutral stance.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:20:19 No. 681053
>>681050 Sure, I agree it's not a neutral stance. But it's a rational stance since a victorious Red Kazakhstan would natrually seek economic aid from China even if China didn't support their struggle for power.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:24:23 No. 681055
>>681054 Its often all the above in different proportions.
Though not nietzschean supermen; Rather just nietzschean men (also known as fembois)
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:27:50 No. 681057
>>681049 That just delayed the inevitable continuation of more capitalist policies. Not one single change of the capitalist nature of the state. They achieve a victory under capitalism, not to build socialism.
I do agree is correct what they did, but at least you can see the social figures, the union flags. You don't see any of that.
That's why the outcome is unknown and lenin hat is being as stupid as Norton or Maupin predicting immediately an eruomaidan.
Yesterday my idea is that it was, but I am still skeptical of all of that.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:32:28 No. 681062
>>681034 I read that as "factories are managed by Nazarbayev family". Doubt Nazarbayev's family could organize such massive strikes, nor are they a first-time occurrence. Khazakh workers already have experience in organizing from what I've read, so they wouldn't need some comprador they hate to manipulate them, and I doubt they could be so easily manipulated either - by this clique of all people.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:33:41 No. 681063
>>681057 >That just No. wtf liberal? Every time mass demonstrations like this happen it captures the attention and interest of the proletariat and helps to embolden the communist cause. Events don't exist isolated from one another. Even colour revolutions weaponize mass demonstrations for regime change
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:33:47 No. 681064
>>681062 Kazakhs have been protesting and striking for years. Look at Janaozen.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:36:54 No. 681065
>>681064 Yes, that's my point. This is not an "intra-oligarch power struggle".
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:45:42 No. 681075
>>681063 >>681063 >thinks small concessions are forever and retroactively nourishes the path to socialism If that were the case, the massive strikes in the past on the U.S. in the 20th century, as violent as seen in India, would imply that evolved into socialism. That's not the case.
Again, if the violent process does not overthrow the capitalist state with a majority of the political representation in such state, you are not overthrowing capitalism.
This is a non-sensical debate. Violence hasn't brought a socialist state into power in the 21st century, period.
Contempt Patience* before running like random trotskyites believing the middle east was going to be a socialist revolution all over again, and hope for the best outcome.
*My wrong, I thought contempt meant something like patience.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:47:54 No. 681076
>>681068 >Violence hasn't brought a socialist state into power in the 21st century,
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:54:32 No. 681081
>>681076 It has. WTF is Rojava?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:55:57 No. 681083
>>681081 Rojava is cool but not socialist and not really a state
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:02:29 No. 681087
>>681075 >Violence hasn't brought a socialist state into power in the 21st century, period I never claimed it did. You claimed
>Name one in the 21st century being violent and being favorable for socialists struglle To which I answered the protests in India. Then you shifted goal posts to an entirely new question. It seems to me that you are just picking a fight for no reason. Why don't you go shit up somewhere else?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:03:03 No. 681088
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/01/what-kazakhstan-isnt/ Surprised by Craig Murray who is a regular on RT and part of the whole Russia crew dissent from others and say that the protest is real and not caused by western people or CIA.
Should give it a read
This is him
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Murray Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:05:57 No. 681092
>>681090 lmao I mean it would be more like British investors claiming the same thing but the anology is still apt
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:06:42 No. 681093
>>681027 >become a dictator themselves but this time aligned with the US instead This already happened under current leadership
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:07:03 No. 681094
i actually have to wonder, what is the source of the chinese actually helping the kazahkstan government?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:08:38 No. 681096
>>681090 The tsar is working towards socialism by 1950. These OSS beligerantes are trying to coup us with one of their men like they did in Hawaii, Samoa and Cuba
Do not fall for this foolishness!
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:09:37 No. 681097
Friendly reminder all of the bourgeoisie's interests are behind the Kazahkstan government suppresing the protestors
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:14:51 No. 681103
>>681094 They announced their support publically
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:16:06 No. 681105
>>681102 Use chinas preferred pronouns you bigot!
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:16:13 No. 681106
>>681102 Okay I stand corrected, I misremebered the correct acronym.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:18:23 No. 681110
>>681097 Tbh I rejoice now that Ben Norton, Max Blumenthal, Caleb Maupin and the whole patriotic conservative anti imperialist crowd is exposed as capitalist assets. Never liked those guys and they had way too much clout here
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:18:35 No. 681111
>>681103 A press release is not material support.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:21:21 No. 681112
>>681110 This protest has been so illuminating to see what people's values really are. Literally check the Twitter feed of anyone who has been employed by RT or a regular guest and what their opinions are on this event.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:21:27 No. 681113
>>681110 This is poor logic, it's like saying the USSR was a capitalist puppet due to being allied with the US during WWII.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:22:30 No. 681114
this will turn out like rojava and you idiot will look like fools in the end, I can already smell it.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:23:23 No. 681115
>>681114 Hopefully we don't get another board split.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:24:23 No. 681116
>>681110 >>681112 Exactly
>>681113 I don't see the connection, wdym?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:25:27 No. 681118
>>681114 Elaborate on what you are saying. Fools because it won't lead to a full on revolution? (Yeah nearly everyone knows this) or fools because you think the protestors are secretly controlled by CIA and that will be proven?
What is your reasoning lay it out
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:26:43 No. 681119
>>681112 They have an incentive to be reactionary I guess, because RT is part of their livelihood, kinda like the grifters on youtube who inevitably become radlibs. Goes with the job
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:28:02 No. 681120
>>681118 The fact of the matter is that there is no part of the proletariat nowadays that isn't totally brainwashed with ned propaganda, they will eventually turn into US dicksuckers like Agent Kochinski and people like Maupin and his gang already know shit about that kind of shit y'know? I feel like anything that is pro Nato should be opposed even if it throws "proles" under the bus. At this point my politics is mostly about hating america.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:29:17 No. 681123
>>681120 Sounds like you're just a paranoid doomer that is projecting
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:30:22 No. 681126
>>681123 Also wven if that were true, these protests are hurting American capital, the strikes started at American majority owned factories
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:33:39 No. 681128
>>681114 i personally think supporting a worker's movement against a neoliberal regime is worth the risk of looking like a fool on a kyrgyzstani yurt building forum, but YMMV, especially if you have your money tied up in the moscow or shanghai exchange
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:38:37 No. 681135
>>681129 Unreliable info. But to be fair not more unreliable than Aynur Kurmanov.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:40:10 No. 681139
>>680954 Same logic pointed out by Agent Kochinski except Agent Kochinski hates China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2q-JJ8p3Ls Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:41:10 No. 681140
>>681135 but in all seriousness I think that just waiting is about the only thing you can actually do. Jumping on a bandwagon is cringe but you can already see the shit forming up right now, I can totally understand china's motivation here tbh.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:43:14 No. 681146
>>680624 China doesn't want to fuck up the relationship with Russia.
Burgerstan must be socialist because they supported Rojava.
Alex Jones must be communist because he supports the Zapatistas.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:44:08 No. 681149
>>681140 Well said. We are not in any position to affect the situation over there. Getting emotionally invested and attacking each other for different viewpoints accomplishes nothing. Observe and learn is the best course of action.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:44:19 No. 681150
>>681139 1.I have never watched Agent Kochinski
2.I do not "hate" China
3.I understand that China is an imperialist capitalist nation and it poses a greater threat to world socialism than the waning American empire does
I don't see what your point is at all
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:48:08 No. 681157
>>681140 >I can totally understand china's motivation here tbh. Yeah to secure the capital they have invested in Kazahkstan
You say wait but it's obvious what's going on. What is there to wait about? I think it's important to have an accurate analysis of these events and what various actor's responses mean. However aside from that no decisions are being made, there is no need to call to slow down or whatever
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:51:13 No. 681160
>>681157 It's not obvious. How much support do status-quo, communists, liberals, and islamists each have?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:51:23 No. 681161
>b-b-but the West supports the Kazakh government!!1
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:52:24 No. 681164
>>681150 >I understand that China is an imperialist capitalist nation and it poses a greater threat to world socialism than the waning American empire does Those agents Kochinsky's need to be put down
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:52:33 No. 681165
>>681140 That is why the thread is called "I want to believe." and not "I believe."
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:54:40 No. 681168
>>681115 It’s been a hot minute since we had one
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:54:59 No. 681169
>>680384 orange/black ribbon was originally called guard ribbon. Orthodox church tried to get into on the fun by smuggling in St George.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:55:09 No. 681171
>>680942 Realpolitik is a thing
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:55:37 No. 681172
>>681114 Rojava as in a successful revolution or Rojava as in a servant to US interests?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:56:41 No. 681175
>>680999 >fighting as a class <without a communist party <with protesters' leaders asking the West for help <with demands having nothing about the workers, just the usual "make it all good again" slogans liberals and fascists and everyone else use Yeah, nah.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:58:20 No. 681176
>>681160 This isn't hearts of iron
The protestors are not supported by any bourgeoisie government, who basically coexist peacefully as stakeholders in Kazahkstan already
The halted production is hurting them every day
The protestors demands were things like forming independent unions and lifting restrictions on political organizing. They were even forming protest and workers councils, much like the soviets. Are the communists leading? I don't know, I don't think so. It appears more like a spontaneous uprising. It is however very clear that the protestors stand on their own and are opposed by all bourgeois powers and their apparatus. What will be the conclusion? Who knows. But the people here squawking about colour revolution and ignoring all evidence and arguments to the contrary are being slanderous.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:59:57 No. 681178
>>681171 Cunt you cannot be a communist and engage in "realpolitik". You keep repeating this term as if it means pragmatism or something but the definition includes a specific rejection of all ideology.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:00:59 No. 681179
Radio Free Kazakhstan:
https://rus.azattyq.org/a/kazakhstan-zhanaozen-anti-chinese-protest/30144860.html In 2019, Zhanaozen protests were against Chinese factories.
https://www.currenttime.tv/a/zhanaozen-china-protest/30148516.html Workers and locals were protesting half a hundred new factories Chinese were building there. Yep, workers were protesting new jobs. Think about it.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:04:48 No. 681187
>>681176 >The protestors are not supported by any bourgeoisie government Check the protests' map, you blind fuck.
Protesters' own map from twitter was different, though. They were drawing violent revolts in all the China border regions and in the West. That pic was in one of previous threads, haven't saved back then. Quite fucking obvious what's it all about
Also, check where's Almaty/Алмата is located. It's basically on Chinese border, eh? Check Uyghur population of Almaty.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:06:05 No. 681192
>>681184 Prove it, you glowed shit. Nazi Party (before Hitler) came out of one factory's owner controlled trade union on his own factory. Why the fuck do you think they won't organize plausible deniability for themselves?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:07:25 No. 681195
>>680841 wait does she live in my state? i knew she was in australia but not WA
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:08:36 No. 681197
>>681184 >>681192 Oh, and all supposed pro-government support from the EU and US can be explained by specifically this - US having companies there. Kazakhstan was trying to create it's own Gasprom, the ambition that got thwarted by - SURPRISE! - 2011 Zhanaozen protests, with Nazarbayev sacking his own nephew and stalling the gas/oil company advancement. If US or EU interfere too openly, Kazakhstan will pull a Putin on them and seize the property.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:12:14 No. 681200
>>681187 this doesn't say anything schizo
>>681192 If you read the fucking thread you would see people discussing how the protests were sparked by oil workers striking at American owned companies. And they did the same thing back in 2010 I believe, taking over a local city and were brutally repressed by the state.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:12:15 No. 681201
>>681199 >Goals >Ban on the sale of land to foreigners Kazakhstan literally has American-owned companies there. Clear fucking protests against competition for Americans.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:12:20 No. 681202
>>681199 In 2016 they literally protested because their government wanted to sell their land to foreigners lmao
The RT people would tell you to side with the government on this 100%
On 20 April, in Astana, civil activist Galymbek Akulbekov held a single picket against the sale of land to foreigners, but he was soon detained by police. On 22 April, in Almaty, around three dozen group of citizens called for the permission of the rally to be held on 21 May.[4]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Protests_against_land_reforms_in_Kazakhstan Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:14:07 No. 681205
>>681199 >>681201 >>681202 On April 29, a coverage was shown on the First Channel, which stated that the organizers of the protests received monetary rewards in the amount of 50 to 150 dollars from foreign nations to each person who came to the rally. Two weeks later, another story came out about the evidence of the paid-up mass protests.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:14:42 No. 681207
>>681201 >Kazakhstan literally has American-owned companies there. Yes. That is why they want these protests shut down.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:15:04 No. 681208
>>681200 >If you read the fucking thread you would see people discussing how the protests were sparked by oil workers striking at American owned companies. How curious that American companies don't leave or get nationalized by those protests, huh. And almost immediately all the protest power goes to fight Chyna.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:16:32 No. 681209
>>681207 Protests don't target American companies, they target Chinese ones. All the violent protests happened either in oil fields or on the Chinese border. They "support" Kazakh government merely because American companies don't want to get nationalized by Kazakhstan as a retaliation.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:16:51 No. 681210
>>681208 No. You are a schizo. You aren't being paid for your shilling or trying to confuse the situation (unconvincingly).
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:18:49 No. 681213
>>681210 >say things how they actually are <y-you are a schizo! Protests are the real grassroots movements (despite there being no communist party to lead them), they want to make Kazakhstan socialst and are class action by the Kazakh proletariat! No, you are a schizo. My take is pretty sane compared to your's.
(False pretensions rule) Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:20:26 No. 681217
>>681212 Results of those protests against American owned companies, post them. Again, Nazis came to be from a controlled trade union from one factory, where factory owner created a trade union specifically to prevent communists from opposing him. Do you fucking think that guy didn't orchestrate protests against himself ever to push for his interests?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:22:18 No. 681220
>>681213 No you are a schizo 100 percent for thinking these protests by workers against deteriorating living conditions and their government are a nefarious American plot against China.
Also you are entirely misrepresenting what I stated, quite clearly and repeatedly. I stated myself that I don't think the protestors are led by socialists and yet you "quote me" as if I did. So you are both being a schizo conspiracist and outright lying.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:23:47 No. 681221
>>681214 >ENTIRE country revolted against propaganda! They even sued them! Yeah, how the sueing went? Western glowies claim that the enemy lies all the time. So fucking what, lol? Fact is, there was a claim opposition being paid, and they showed some kind of proof - which opposition couldn't even punish and undo in response. What does it say in the end?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:27:58 No. 681227
>>681176 You speak of a single protestor movement, where is the evidence that there is a common goal? Clearly there are different tactics being used among protest groups some peaceful some not so much. This implies different organizations behind various protests. It's more accurate to say there are several interest groups involved in the protests and I want to know how many of the groups are communists and how many are reactionary.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:36:35 No. 681241
>>681221 >Western glowies claim that the enemy lies all the time. So could the Chinese be lying about their "support" for the Kazakhistan government?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:37:46 No. 681242
>>681241 It doesn't matter what is said. What matters is actual material aid.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:43:06 No. 681247
>>681242 Where is the evidence for material aid?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:51:21 No. 681259
>>681247 No idea, so far the only material aid we know of is from Russia and Tajikistan sending troops. But this also implies there is no known material aid from the CIA either, if you discount the $1 million NED money spent in Kazakhstan over the past years. To be fair, $1 million is a tiny amount.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 06:00:07 No. 681266
>>681259 >if you discount the $1 million NED money spent in Kazakhstan over the past years. To be fair, $1 million is a tiny amount Why would that be going to the protestors? Where is the connection? Where are you getting that figure anyways?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 06:06:14 No. 681276
>>681266 I don't think that $1 million has a meaningful impact on the protests. The NED spends money into every country for nefarious purposes but it takes time and significant money to set up an operation, $1 million is too little.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 06:15:42 No. 681279
Granma has published an article about color revolution in general. Kazakhstan is mentioned in the 2nd half. Overall the article presents a balanced view acknowledging both legitimate economic issues causing the protests but also mentions foreign interference, specifically naming the US. Overall they don't take sides but oppose CIA regime change.
https://www.granma.cu/mundo/2022-01-06/caos-otro-metodo-de-agresion-contra-los-pueblos-06-01-2022-21-01-55 According to machine translation
>Pareciera que algo similar experimenta Kazajistán, con disturbios que representan una amenaza para la seguridad nacional y la soberanía del país, y que han derivado en la quema de edificios gubernamentales, la toma del aeropuerto, el apedreamiento a vidrieras, el bloqueo de calles y otras acciones. Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 06:20:43 No. 681282
>>680948 Hopelessly cringe.
Also by doing this they're not even "biding their time" anymore as they did in the 90s/00s, they're just helping reaction stay alive for some more.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 06:34:37 No. 681300
>>681299
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:04:13 No. 681325
>>681272 Jackson Hinkle and Max Blumenthal now support the Trots
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:06:41 No. 681328
>>680999 Trips can only confirm.
Dengists literally guard dogs of capitalist realism.
Fuck them.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:07:12 No. 681330
Does anyone else have a better OSINT regarding Kazakhstan?
This one hasn’t been updated in two days.
https://centralasia.liveuamap.com/en/2022/6-january-according-to-russian-media-in-the-morning-troops Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:15:47 No. 681341
>>681020 Why are all of the protestors' demands and signs in Russian?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:20:10 No. 681347
>>681201 >Kazakhstan literally has American-owned companies there. Clear fucking protests against competition for Americans. Yeah, the country is already half sold out, so obviously it's in the people's utmost interest to sell the remaining half as well. Any attempt by local protests to stop further privatizations to foreigners is imperialism. How fucking retarded can you be? Either burger or b8.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:28:07 No. 681357
>>681341 So that Americans can translate them with Google Translate. It's clearly an American color revolution funded by Google.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:32:06 No. 681360
>>681357 Ты вправду не веришь, что в Казахстане свободно владеют русским? Ты че, ебанут, что ли?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:36:39 No. 681361
>>681241 Why would they be lying? Unlike you, I actually trust socialism
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 09:11:17 No. 681453
>>681298 >people's revolutionary troops <oligarch neoliberal troops FTFY
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 09:13:17 No. 681455
>>681218 Because Russian neoliberalism is better neoliberalism than American neoliberalism.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 09:17:03 No. 681461
>>681458 They are Turkic and Russia and China are allies of the regime.
Belarus Electric Boogaloo Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 09:37:06 No. 681481
>So is that much fear and loathing all about gas? Not really. > >Kazakhstan was rocked into chaos virtually overnight, in principle, because of the doubling of prices for liquefied gas, which reached the (Russian) equivalent of 20 rubles per liter (compare it to an average of 30 rubles in Russia itself). > >That was the spark for nationwide protests spanning every latitude from top business hub Almaty to the Caspian Sea ports of Aktau and Atyrau and even the capital Nur-Sultan, formerly Astana. > >The central government was forced to roll back the gas price to the equivalent of 8 rubles a liter. Yet that only prompted the next stage of the protests, demanding lower food prices, an end of the vaccination campaign, a lower retirement age for mothers with many children and – last but not least – regime change, complete with its own slogan: Shal, ket! (“Down with the old man.”) > >The “old man” is none other than national leader Nursultan Nazarbayev, 81, who even as he stepped down from the presidency after 29 years in power, in 2019, for all practical purposes remains the Kazakh gray eminence as head of the Security Council and the arbiter of domestic and foreign policy. > >The prospect of yet another color revolution inevitably comes to mind: perhaps Turquoise-Yellow – reflecting the colors of the Kazakh national flag. Especially because right on cue, sharp observers found out that the usual suspects – the American embassy – was already “warning” about mass protests as early as in December 16, 2021. > >Maidan in Almaty? Oh yeah. But it’s complicated. > >The reason is – what else – unbridled neoliberalism and the proverbial free market shenanigans. Since 2019 liquefied gas is electronically traded in Kazakhstan. So keeping price caps – a decades-long custom – soon became impossible, as producers were constantly faced with selling their product below cost as consumption skyrocketed. > >Everybody in Kazakhstan was expecting a price hike, as much as everybody in Kazakhstan uses liquefied gas, especially in their converted cars. And everybody in Kazakhstan has a car, as I was told, ruefully, during my last visit to Almaty, in late 2019, when I was trying in vain to find a taxi to head downtown. > >It’s quite telling that the protests started in the city of Zhanaozen, smack into the oil/gas hub of Mangystau. And it’s also telling that Unrest Central immediately turned to car-addicted Almaty, the nation’s real business hub, and not the isolated, government infrastructure-heavy capital in the middle of the steppes. > >At first President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev seemed to have been caught in a deer facing the headlights situation. He promised the return of price caps, installed a state of emergency/curfew both in Almaty and Mangystau (then nationwide) while accepting the current government’s resignation en masse and appointing a faceless Deputy Prime Minister, Alikhan Smailov, as interim PM until the formation of a new cabinet. > >Yet that could not possibly contain the unrest. In lightning fast succession, we had the storming of the Almaty Akimat (mayor’s office); protesters shooting at the Army; a Nazarbayev monument demolished in Taldykorgan; his former residence in Almaty taken over; Kazakhtelecom disconnecting the whole country from the internet; several members of the National Guard – armored vehicles included – joining the protesters in Aktau; ATMs gone dead. > >And then Almaty, plunged into complete chaos, was virtually seized by the protesters, including its international airport, which on Wednesday morning was under extra security, and in the evening had become occupied territory. > >Kazakh airspace, meanwhile, had to contend with an extended traffic jam of private jets leaving to Moscow and Western Europe. Even though the Kremlin noted that Nur-Sultan had not asked for any Russian help, a “special delegation” was soon flying out of Moscow. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov cautiously stressed, “we are convinced that our Kazakh friends can independently solve their internal problems”, adding, “it is important that no one interferes from the outside.” > >Geostrategy talks > >How could it all derail so fast? > >Up to now, the succession game in Kazakhstan had been seen mostly as a hit across Northern Eurasia. Local honchos, oligarchs and the comprador elites all kept their fiefdoms and sources of income. And yet, off the record, I was told in Nur-Sultan in late 2019 there would be serious problems ahead when some regional clans would come to collect – as in confronting “the old man” Nazarbayev and the system he put in place. > >Tokayev did issue the proverbial call “not to succumb to internal and external provocations” – which makes sense – yet also assured that the government “will not fall”. Well, it was already falling, even after an emergency meeting trying to address the tangled web of socioeconomic problems with a promise that all “legitimate demands” by the protesters will be met. > >This did not play out as a classic regime change scenario – at least initially. The configuration was of a fluid, amorphous state of chaos, as the – fragile – Kazakh institutions of power were simply incapable of comprehending the wider social malaise. A competent political opposition is non-existent: there’s no political exchange. Civil society has no channels to express itself. > >So yes: there’s a riot goin’ on – to quote American rhythm’n blues. And everyone is a loser. What is still not exactly clear is which conflicting clans are flaming the protests – and what is their agenda in case they’d have a shot at power. After all, no “spontaneous” protests can pop up simultaneously all over this vast nation virtually overnight. > >Kazakhstan was the last republic to leave the collapsing USSR over three decades ago, in December 1991. Under Nazarbayev, it immediately engaged in a self-described “multi-vector” foreign policy. Up to now, Nur-Sultan was skillfully positioning itself as a prime diplomatic mediator – from discussions on the Iranian nuclear program as early as 2013 to the war in/on Syria from 2016. The target: to solidify itself as the quintessential bridge between Europe and Asia. > >The Chinese-driven New Silk Roads, or BRI, were officially launched by Xi Jinping at Nazarbayev University in September 2013. That happened to swiftly dovetail with the Kazakh concept of Eurasian economic integration, crafted after Nazarbayev’s own government spending project, Nurly Zhol (“Bright Path”), designed to turbo-charge the economy after the 2008-9 financial crisis. > >In September 2015, in Beijing, Nazarbayev aligned Nurly Zhol with BRI, de facto propelling Kazakhstan to the heart of the new Eurasian integration order. Geostrategically, the largest landlocked nation on the planet became the prime interplay territory of the Chinese and Russian visions, BRI and the Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU). > >A diversionary tactic > >For Russia, Kazakhstan is even more strategic than for China. Nur-Sultan signed the CSTO treaty in 2003. It’s a key member of the EAEU. Both nations have massive military-technical ties and conduct strategic space cooperation in Baikonur. Russian has the status of an official language, spoken by 51% of the republic’s citizens. > >At least 3.5 million Russians live in Kazakhstan. It’s still early to speculate about a possible “revolution” tinged with national liberation colors were the old system to eventually collapse. And even if that happened, Moscow will never lose all of its considerable political influence. > >So the immediate problem is to assure Kazakhstan’s stability. The protests must be dispersed. There will be plenty of economic concessions. Permanent destabilizing chaos simply cannot be tolerated – and Moscow knows it by heart. Another – rolling – Maidan is out of the question. > >The Belarus equation has shown how a strong hand can operate miracles. Still, the CSTO agreements do not cover assistance in case of internal political crises – and Tokayev did not seem to be inclined to make such a request. > >Until he did. He called for the CSTO to intervene to restore order. There will be a military enforced curfew. And Nur-Sultan may even confiscate the assets of US and UK companies which are allegedly sponsoring the protests. > >This is how Nikol Pashinyan, chairman of the CSTO Collective Security Council and Prime Minister of Armenia, framed it: Tokayev invoked a “threat to national security” and the “sovereignty” of Kazakhstan, “caused, inter alia, by outside interference.” So the CSTO “decided to send peacekeeping forces” to normalize the situation, “for a limited period of time”. > >The usual destabilizing suspects are well known. They may not have the reach, the political influence, and the necessary amount of Trojan horses to keep Kazakhstan on fire indefinitely. > >At least the Trojan horses themselves are being very explicit. They want an immediate release of all political prisoners; regime change; a provisional government of “reputable” citizens; and – what else – “withdrawal of all alliances with Russia.” > >And then it all gets down to the level of ridiculous farce, as the EU starts calling on Kazakh authorities to “respect the right to peaceful protests.” As in allowing total anarchy, robbery, looting, hundreds of vehicles destroyed, attacks with assault rifles, ATMs and even the Duty Free at Almaty airport completely plundered. > >This analysis (in Russian) covers some key points, mentioning, “the internet is full of pre-arranged propaganda posters and memos to the rebels” and the fact that “the authorities are not cleaning up the mess, as Lukashenko did in Belarus.” > >Slogans so far seem to originate from plenty of sources – extolling everything from a “western path” to Kazakhstan to polygamy and Sharia law: “There is no single goal yet, it has not been identified. The result will come later. It is usually the same. The elimination of sovereignty, external management and, finally, as a rule, the formation of an anti-Russian political party.” > >Putin, Lukashenko and Tokayev spent a long time over the phone, at the initiative of Lukashenko. The leaders of all CSTO members are in close contact. A master game plan – as in a massive “anti-terrorist operation” – has already been hatched. Gen. Gerasimov will personally supervise it. > >Now compare it to what I learned from two different, high-ranking intel sources. > >The first source was explicit: the whole Kazakh adventure is being sponsored by MI6 to create a new Maidan right before the Russia/US-NATO talks in Geneva and Brussels next week, to prevent any kind of agreement. Significantly, the “rebels” maintained their national coordination even after the internet was disconnected. > >The second source is more nuanced: the usual suspects are trying to force Russia to back down against the collective West by creating a major distraction in their Eastern front, as part of a rolling strategy of chaos all along Russia’s borders. That may be a clever diversionary tactic, but Russian military intel is watching. Closely. And for the sake of the usual suspects, this better may not be interpreted – ominously – as a war provocation. >http://thesaker.is/steppe-on-fire-kazakhstans-color-revolution/ Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 11:26:32 No. 681565
>No mention to the fact that socialist opposition is banned >Workers struggling to get by only mentioned en passant as an irrelevant detail >All the attention on the Us despite all Western powers explicitly stating they want peace (they already have plundered the country after all so they just need stability for the looting to continue)
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 11:39:01 No. 681572
>Head of national security commission charged with high treason
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 11:52:02 No. 681578
>>681175 >with protesters' leaders asking the West for help >leaders Lmao. "opposition" in parliament doesn't necessarily mean they are the leaders of discontent
>with demands having nothing about the workers, just the usual "make it all good again" slogans liberals and fascists and everyone else use Another lie. They want better pay, reduction in gas prices, and more.
>Without a communist party Disputed, and also expressions of proletarian discontent does not have to take the form of a party. Of course that is ideal, but clearly it does not have to be the case e.g Paris Commune.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 12:44:29 No. 681602
>All these posts <For something which had fizzled out yesterday
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 13:15:58 No. 681623
>>681565 Turns out you can't trust journalists who work for bourgeois state media agencies to consistently take the side of the working class
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 13:20:10 No. 681624
>>680905 Providing 400 million to Islamists in Afghanistan was literally nothing to do with real politik, those same Islamists became part of the network which casued serious problems for China in Xinjang. Whats more, it provided a huge boost the herion trade, which is a big problem in the region and China.
It also massively boosted Chinas "enemy" the united states, providing them with yet another beach head and massively destabilising the middle east.
Aside from that, "real politik" doesn't excuse being an anti communist. The USA does "real politik" but we don't support that do we.
You lot have gone from: China supporting anti communists? Didn't happen! Then been faced with a mountain of proof, so now you're like "oh well actually it was good"
In the Phillpines, China has done nothing but back up US puppets, so now one of its biggest nieghbours is doing US military drills and his daughter is about to go into govt with the son of Marcos. I mean sure, if you mean real-retarded real- anti communist politik its all good bro
>>680948 a cult paragraph. Are you whipping yourself as you say this?
literally
dengism is like a Chinese national movement for people that don't live in China. Its fucking weird bro. Makes me realise just quite the state of the western male. Beaten down by sissy hypno and video games, bereft of any formative experiences, this is what they resort to.
they have been doing this for a long time, just not on the side you think. By the way, so far China is building a port in Haifa, and standing by Israels most prized oil supplier. Belt and Road looks set to massively benefit Israel.
>>680973 This is the thing, its just plain fucking autism, it completely and utterly disregards how real working people are, what they want, how they think, what is going through there minds on a daily basis.
You really think any of them at all, any mass base, is ever going to listen to you if your line is: well we are all suffering now, but trust in Xi and in 50 years he may or may not decide to do socialism after taking over the entire world first, you will suffer that entire time, but after that it will all be chill my peoples, just get your head down and remember, in China life is good.
Essentially demoting the rest of the world to Chinese pay pigs for the greater good. Its a completely and utterly warped burgerfied mindset where you think people have no pride, no self respect, and will obviously see how greatly superior your nation of peace and plenty is and therefore simply cannot understand why they want to get in the way of that. Of course, they can't feed themselves or their families, in a culture where being able to feed your family is central to a sense of masculinity and satisfaction, but forget all that, think about chinese socialism by 2050!!!!!
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 13:26:38 No. 681628
>>681347 >Yeah, the country is already half sold out, so obviously it's in the people's utmost interest to sell the remaining half as well. where is your evidence they are trying to sell the other half? The only stuff I have seen is for price controls which will hurt these foreign companies, and nationalisations, with every single foreign power who is invested there, America, China, Russia, Turkey, etc kvetching about muh dead cops. I have seen not one piece of direct evidence to back what you say that isn't sheer reach like "well America has plans to destalbise the region and world in general look here is documents where they say so" as if that isn't something we've known for nearly 100 years
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 13:27:49 No. 681630
>>680973 Remember normative claim =/= prescriptive claim
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 13:28:07 No. 681631
>>681624 Man that was brilliant.
And brutal.
More posts like this please.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 13:28:28 No. 681632
>>680988 these are the people calling you an anglo on leftypol btw, who "sacrifice" by spending every day browsing genzong on daddies money, and assume the brown people will just have to die to secure the international denglord plan
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 13:31:46 No. 681633
>>681630 (I meant descriptive but who gives a shit what a totally useless, stupid discussion again)
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 13:42:25 No. 681638
>>681631 Thanks anon, I will do my best
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 13:56:15 No. 681644
>>681624 Mucho texto
Read about realpolitik and come back
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 14:38:51 No. 681676
Anyone care to explain why the yellow vests in France were cucked?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 14:50:13 No. 681692
https://web.archive.org/web/20220108144428/https://www.vox.com/2022/1/8/22872642/kazakhstan-protests-russia-troops-putin >But that is now mixed in with looters and opportunists who may just be taking advantage of the chaos, along with rioters, bandits, and organized gangs, though no one knows where they came from. >opportunists LMAO they're stealing our lingo
anyway judging off of this piece, the West appears to be playing both sides, on one hand supporting the "peaceful protests" and on the other MUH LAW AND ORDER
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 14:56:59 No. 681698
>>681676 They weren't.
>>681692 The west isn't playing both sides, they don't want protests, if they did there would be a consequent media campaign in favor of protestors and a firm condemnation of Russian intervention
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 14:59:32 No. 681701
>>681644 >mucho texto best stick to twitter where you belong then eh
>read about real politik isn't an answer to any of this.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:17:04 No. 681730
>>681710 Unlikely, people in Kazakhstan don't give that much of a shit about islam.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:24:34 No. 681736
Reminder to retards that the US literally helped train and fund Kazakhstan's army, and they participate in joint-training exercises.
<Kazakhstan’s security forces receive funds from the U.S. International Military Education and Training program, the Foreign Military Financing program, the Overseas Humanitarian Disaster and Civic Aid program, the Wales Initiative Fund, the Global Peace Operations Initiative, and the Building Partner Capacity program. Kazakhstan’s military participates in U.S.-funded military exercises like Steppe Eagle, Viking, Eager Lion, and Shanti Prayas. https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-kazakhstan/ The country seems to successfully occupy a geopolitical niche as a neutral zone which has proven favorable to both Western as well as Russian/Chinese investment, maintaining close cooperation with both camps. This is why global capital on all sides has lined up behind Kazakhstan's comprador regime.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:29:06 No. 681742
>>681736 Good find.
look at this:
https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/kazakhstans-land-reforms/ Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:32:13 No. 681746
>>681742 >Land reform is an extremely sensitive topic in Kazakhstan. In 2003, when the Land Code was introduced, legalizing the notion of private property for the first time in Kazakhstan, people protested and the controversy forced Prime Minister Imangali Tasmagambetov to resign. With 43 percent of the workforce residing in rural regions and 18 percent of the workforce engaged in agriculture, modifications to the Land Code directly impacts a significant portion of the population. Plus, Kazakhs possess an intimate relationship with land; they fought against warring, nomadic tribes for hundreds of years to secure the territory, and view land as the source of all life. There is a Kazakh saying, “land is mother, and you do not rent out your mother.” It appears, that the presidents mother is for rent, a whore
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:35:06 No. 681750
>>681746 >There is a Kazakh saying, “land is mother, and you do not rent out your mother.” HOLY BASED
I WANT TO BELIEVE
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:35:17 No. 681751
what is the end game of these riots? do people here really believe that if protesters "win" somehow they're going to overthrow the whole system and establish socialist kazakhstan? i haven't seen any evidence for this aside from some demand for a few soc-dem reforms. there doesn't seem to be any coherent socialist direction, so this looks a lot like thinking blm riots were somehow going to turn the US socialist.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:39:04 No. 681757
>>681742 >>681746 In the interests of neutrality, i will post the dubious partnerships of this paper, the diplomat,
"The Diplomat has entered into formal partnerships with influential public policy and news organizations. One of the most prominent is the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). Through a partnership with CSIS's Pacific Forum Young Leaders Programme, The Diplomat provides insights and analysis from its staff and collaborators.[citation needed] The Diplomat also maintains partnerships with RealClearWorld, ENN Environmental News Network, the Foreign Policy Centre, The Interpreter, Danwei, ChinaHush, Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, Global Radio News, International Affairs Forum, the Atlantic Sentinel, China Talking Points, War Is Boring, East–West Center, Foreword, and the Vivekananda International Foundation."
however, they also said in that article
"Dossayev’s announcement of supposedly sweeping land reforms took the country by surprise, prompting individuals in major metropolitan to gather in the streets to protest the bill.
They (falsely) claimed that the law that would grant foreigners the right to purchase land. The backlash ultimately forced Dossayev and Agricultural Minister Asylzhan Mamytbekov to resign."
so again, although this has washington think tank fingerprints, it doesn't really come down on the side of the protestors, and the actual facts it talks about, land reform and so on, are repeated in other source
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:42:04 No. 681761
>>681751 >do people here really believe that if protesters "win" somehow they're going to overthrow the whole system and establish socialist kazakhstan? Of course not, and that isn't the point. Class struggle takes on more and less advanced forms, and it develops into more advanced forms by doing battle with the bourgeoisie, winning concessions, suffering defeats, experimenting with various forms of organization, etc. As communists our duty is to support and encourage this process, and that means supporting outbreaks of popular worker discontent in an effort to guide them towards more advanced forms which actually threaten the ruling order. Remember the Communist Manifesto:
<Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever expanding union of the workers. This union is helped on by the improved means of communication that are created by modern industry, and that place the workers of different localities in contact with one another. It was just this contact that was needed to centralise the numerous local struggles, all of the same character, into one national struggle between classes… <This organisation of the proletarians into a class, and, consequently into a political party, is continually being upset again by the competition between the workers themselves. But it ever rises up again, stronger, firmer, mightier… Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:44:27 No. 681765
>>681757 https://thediplomat.com/2021/04/kazakhstan-moves-toward-ban-on-sale-rental-of-agricultural-lands-by-foreigners/ here is also a more up to date article from this year, it appears that the president has bowed to protests, and the moratorium on selling of land to foriegners has been expanded indefinitely, it is worth noting the author of the article in the diplomat appears to be against this decision, favouring privatisation. Although it says a bill has had its first reading, it does not say if it passed
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:50:34 No. 681769
CHINA
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:54:47 No. 681775
>>681110 100% this.
Frauds working for RT
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:56:59 No. 681779
https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/kazakhstan.aspx this is an article which details of the international relationships of Kazakhstans uranium mining, which include Russia, China, Japan, the USA, Canada, France, India and Iran
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:58:40 No. 681781
>>681779 "In April 2017 Kazatomprom announced the formation of a Swiss-based trading subsidiary TH Kazatom, to bring greater liquidity to the uranium market from late in the year. It will buy and sell on the spot market as part of its corporate transformation to align its pricing mechanism with “the way our customers want to buy”, especially in European and US markets."
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:00:14 No. 681783
>>681761 so, if everything goes the protesters way and they have total victory, they will institute capitalism with new rulers and a few minor reforms.
got it.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:11:11 No. 681803
>>681788 God fucking damn
>Kazakhstan’s cooperation with NATO is mutually beneficial and includes: >Kazakhstan plays an active role in both hosting and participating in PfP training and exercises. Since 2006, in cooperation with NATO Allies and regional partners, >Kazakhstan has hosted annual military exercises called “Steppe Eagle”. >Kazakhstan’s PfP Training Centre (KAZCENT) was accredited by NATO as a Partnership Training and Education Centre in December 2010. KAZCENT offers annual courses open to Allies and partner countries on military English and NATO staff procedures, and a familiarisation course on the history, economy and culture of Central Asia and Afghanistan. Moreover, two United Nations courses were certified in 2018. >NATO’s Defence Education Enhancement Programme (DEEP) began working in Kazakhstan in 2007 with the Kazakhstan National Defence University, helping ensure that programmes and methodologies meet international standards. Cooperation was later expanded to include KAZCENT, the Non-Commissioned Officer Training Centre and the Army Defence Institute. DEEP programmes in support of KAZCENT, the Non-Commissioned Officer Training Centre, and the Army Defence Institute have all successfully concluded, while support for the National Defence University remains ongoing. >Since 2014, under the Partnership Interoperability Initiative, Kazakhstan has participated in the Interoperability Platform, which brings Allies together with 23 selected partners that are active contributors to NATO’s operations. >Wider cooperation >Kazakhstan is enhancing its national civil preparedness and disaster management capabilities in cooperation with NATO, and through participation in activities organised by the Euro-Atlantic Disaster Response Coordination Centre (EADRCC). Kazakhstan participated in five consequence management field exercises (2003-2012) and the country hosted the EADRCC’s “ZHETSYU” exercise near Almaty in 2009. Kazakhstan also offered assistance to Allies and partner countries affected by natural and man-made disasters, following eight urgent EADRCC requests for international assistance. >Kazakhstan has been actively engaged within the framework of the NATO Science for Peace and Security (SPS) Programme since 1993. At present, the leading areas for cooperation include environmental security and defence against chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear agents. Increasing public awareness of NATO and the benefits of its relations with Kazakhstan is also an important area of cooperation.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:13:36 No. 681807
>Since the domestic oil and gas field equipment industry is still in the early stages of development, companies from the U.S., Western Europe, Russia, Japan and recently China, have been able to secure market share, securing much of the 90% of oil and gas field equipment Kazakhstan now imports. The UK and Russia are the most active equipment suppliers and service providers, while U.S. firms seem to be concentrating on markets in the western hemisphere.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:13:39 No. 681808
No one replied to this ultra based get before the thread got archived, so check it out now here, it deserves the attention
>>677777 Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:15:54 No. 681810
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/israel-kazakhstan-celebrating-30-years-of-cooperation-opinion-688968 On this occasion, Israel is also celebrating 30 years of diplomatic relations between the two countries. freindship with USSR ended, now Israel is my new best friend
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:18:41 No. 681813
>>681644 People under 18 should not post here
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:19:00 No. 681814
>>681175 <without a communist party Its banned but it still exists, plus the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan which is in the IMCWP. Revisionist it may be, but that's better than nothing.
The protests started over fuel price rises among proletarians.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:19:54 No. 681816
>>681810 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehud_Olmert the author of this article i.e. former israeli prime minister
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:20:00 No. 681817
>>681810 Really depressing reading shit like this
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:20:17 No. 681818
>>681817 mate wait till you realise who wrote it
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:21:46 No. 681820
>>681175 >protesters' leaders asking the West for help Where
>demands having nothing about the workers There's quite a bit of very worker specific stuff in the demands
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:22:02 No. 681822
>>681803 Truth is that capitalists of the world are united when it comes to fighting the proletariat.
Always have been, always will be.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:22:23 No. 681823
https://www.jpost.com/Business/Kazakhstan-seeks-to-increase-oil-exports-to-Israel okay, i am done for now, I will probably be back to do more digging from this cursory digging in the morning. I am particularly going to be looking for up to date israel/kazahk oil info, also, has anyone looked into what israel is saying about the protests?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:36:35 No. 681837
>>681788 Support for our NATO comrades in their anti imperialist struggle against the color revolution
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:38:12 No. 681838
>>681351 You are not getting the question, the question is why, despite the alphabet being Latinized, the demands are in Cyrillic.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:43:53 No. 681841
>>681838 What the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:53:19 No. 681852
>>681841 Read the question (NTA), read my reply to
>>681351 Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:58:19 No. 681857
>>680998 >The Chinese state apparatus arrests actual communists and if not ban then marginilizes communist organisations and media in the same fashion that the west does t.
Look slowly this thread shifting blame on
CHYNAH Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:58:27 No. 681858
Any Kazakh comrades itt?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:58:41 No. 681859
Interview of Red Yurt by the Communist Worker's Party of Finland. Originally It was done in 2 parts that were published in July and September of last year. Here is the re-published and translated interview with DeepL in its entirety:
https://www.ktpkom.fi/yleinen/punainen-jurtta-ja-kazakstan-osa-1/ 1/? Red Yurt and Kazakhstan (Part 1) Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:59:32 No. 681861
>>681857 DID I HEAR CHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:59:51 No. 681862
>>681455 Who says the Russian economy is neoliberalized? Everything is state-owned.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:02:00 No. 681864
>>681859 1/2
This is how the capital of the United States, Great Britain, Turkey, India, Denmark and then China appeared on our territory . In the streamlined language of modern politicians and economists, Kazakhstan is increasingly involved in the world economy. In fact, we have become the periphery of Europe, the United States and China, the raw material of the developed world. Red Yurt and Kazakhstan (Part 2) Red Text is my own
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:03:08 No. 681867
>>681862 лол
Westoids really don't know shit about Russia.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:03:13 No. 681869
>>681857 It’s two seperate but related discussions happening side by side but you can’t into reading comprehension. Who is blaming China for what?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:03:57 No. 681870
>>681087 >To which I answered the protests in India And I told you that not necessary is "favorable" (quoting me) to revolutionary struggle. Read the question read your answer, read mine.
I didn't shift the goal, I explained none of that is completely true, or else countries like the U.S. by now would be communists.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:05:30 No. 681871
China
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:06:35 No. 681873
>>681867 >>681867 >implying I am a westerner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_Russia Compare to other countries like Spain, Portugal, Iltaly, Germany, France, etc. All of them neoliberalized
The "Neoliberal of Putin" surely loves to have them under government rule.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:06:45 No. 681874
>>681871 Chai? No thank you I'm good.
Nah.
I don't drink that shit uygha.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:07:22 No. 681876
What are uyghurs saying about the protests?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:13:34 No. 681887
There ain't no uyghas in kazakhstan
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:14:35 No. 681888
>>681458 Looks like they wanted to be in good terms with everyone, and that's a no-no.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:14:39 No. 681890
>>681857 Paranoia is a bitch anon
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:16:37 No. 681894
I want jason to put out a video on this
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:16:51 No. 681895
>>681873 Yep, that's everything.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:20:49 No. 681901
>>681895 t. sour my ass
>inb4 brings the number of private companies and says look reeee much more private companies but gets ass-blasted when I counter bring the $ revenue compared by the Wikipedia page vs the revenue of the list of private entities t. "some westerner"
Russia is not neoliberal. Capitalist? yes, of course. Highly interconnected with neoliberalism? oh-ho-ho, of course, even worst, they are neighborhoods of the neoliberal hellscape.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:22:39 No. 681904
Thank God I left Twitter long ago. I don't think I wanted to see the drama of the nobodies about how they view the Kazakhstan situation I followed on there kek.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:23:41 No. 681905
>>681894 Has he said anything on Twitter about what he thinks?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:31:13 No. 681915
>>681279 Yep, this is more or less what I have in mind what's going on.
It's a shame.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:32:48 No. 681918
>>681915 (me)
Also, based Cubans, as always.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:39:30 No. 681932
>>681565 I don't know how it is overplayed the role that the communist party is banned in that analysis but at the same time this same thread overplays the role of undergorund socialist movement
without further evidence .
>>681761 To begin with, there's no evidence of a socialist struggle in the violent side.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:40:06 No. 681933
>>681921 Something missing from that translation, the post in Spanish says "desestabilizar al gobierno constitucional de ese pais amigo" meaning destabilize the constitutional government of that friendly country". The English translation omits that part, so the Cubans see Kazakhstan as a country they hold friendly relations with, so they probably fear the worst if a pro-West regime change occurs. Also is that comment something said by the Ministery of Foreign Affairs of Cuba or a similar position?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:42:55 No. 681936
>>681932 This is leftypol, after all. Rightoid internet spaces are declaring the protests an epic victory for the anti-vaccine/mandate movement, and I'm sure 4/pol/ has already sparked some furious debates over what percentage of Kazakhs should be considered Honorary Aryans as to justify supporting a side. Behind the spectacle is probably an intra-elite conflict, the least we can say is that the initial protestors had legitimate grievances and were an expression of working class anger.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:54:17 No. 681946
>>681933 Canel is the president.
>>681936 Yep, seems to me Biel v.2.0 but with the same risk of taking the government of an allied ruling class that have helped to counter NATO imperialism.
>>681921 Based Cubans.
>inb4 morons here accuse Cuba of neoliberal imperialist suppressing the struggle of socialist gressroots movements. Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:55:12 No. 681949
>>681946 Did Canel make that statement?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:58:30 No. 681953
>>681949 No.
In fact he hasn't said anything about Kazakhstan.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:58:47 No. 681954
Oleg Matveychev of Russia state duma wished businessmen, who were in solidarity with the kazakhstan protesters, "wives be raped" and said that they "must suffer." He recalled "morons" who "overthrew the tsar" in 1917, and then "worked as prostitutes in Paris or died in the civil war."
https://news-ru.translate.goog/society/dolzhny-stradat-deputat-gd-rezko-vyskazalsya-o-protestuyushih-v-kazahstane/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=mobile&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 17:59:23 No. 681955
>>681949 Woops, sorry, my mind read Canel. No, that's the cancellor.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:01:58 No. 681959
>>681921 So it's not an official statement from Cuba it's some guy?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:02:53 No. 681960
>>681959 He's the foreign relations minister of Cuba
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:03:27 No. 681961
>>681960 Give me an actual source
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:09:36 No. 681968
>>681946 Noone is calling Cuba neoliberal. It's that if a country comes out and says "this is color revolution" free of any evidence or proof it does not in anyway diminish if there ACTUALLY IS angry workers there fighting for better conditions
To ignore the trouble of having to analyze the reality of the situation if legitimate anger and organic popular support and defer to press release statements by countries to decide your position is laziness.
Many things can cloud how countries vote and side including economic agreements, military allyship and past relations.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:09:47 No. 681969
>>681954 Tsarist apologists having a normal one
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:10:29 No. 681970
>>681279 So it’s arguably the same level as China.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:10:54 No. 681972
>>681954 Kek, this is the kind of brilliant minds allowed in the United Russia.
Well, there are some news?
Last thing I read is that the capital has been regained by the government and the interior security minister has been charges with hight treason (The Guardian)
Also now we can put Cuba with the CPUSA -Virginia branch- and the CPC in the line of supporting Kazhakstan government.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:11:04 No. 681974
>>681963 Sure enough that's what he said on twitter.
We condemn the recent acts of violence that occurred in the Republic of # Kazakhstan instigated from abroad to subvert the internal order and destabilize the constitutional government of that friendly country.
Translated on google
Eat a bag of dicks you opportunist dog cunt. At the least he could have condemned specifically the violence in Kazahkstan and casted doubt about agent provacateurs but no. He went and complained about law and order, claimed the violence was "instigated from abroad", and called the Kazahkstan comprador state very cynically a "friendly regime". May he and all other revisionists be torn apart by savage dogs.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:12:43 No. 681976
>>681974 Looks the maotists are now here.
Good, the conversation will be more productive now kek
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:13:16 No. 681977
>>681968 Yes it is cynical opportunism. It's like if they supported "the war on terror" right before the Americans invaded Iraq. It ignores completely the plight of the protesters and working class of Cuba and handwaves them as colour revolutionaries
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:13:19 No. 681978
Why can't retards understand diplomacy?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:14:32 No. 681979
>>681976 Not an argument. Use your big boy words useless cuuuuuunt.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:17:35 No. 681983
This is a watershed moment to tell who is a real communist and who is an opportunist
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:22:04 No. 681989
>>681946 >Yep, seems to me Biel v.2.0 but with the same risk of taking the government of an allied ruling class that have helped to counter NATO imperialism. >the government of an allied ruling class that have helped to counter NATO imperialism. Cunt they are more an ally of NATO imperialism than they are of Cuba
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:27:18 No. 681996
>>681894 And Maupin should also give a statement
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:35:16 No. 682004
>>681979 >Use your big boy words Kek, you already put all the ones you know
How difficult is to observe that Kazakhstan was a friend of everyone in the global stage and seeing now thorn apart in less than a week makes everyone shudder from Brussels to Havana?
That's why I ask if anyone has some fresh news
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:38:20 No. 682010
>>682004 >seeing now thorn apart in less than a week makes everyone shudder from Brussels to Havana? What are you talking about. Elaborate. I'm not the person you replied to btw
Because Kazakhstan is absolutely still just as friendly with all western countries
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:46:23 No. 682018
The protests have now been condemned by USA, Israel, EU, Russia, China AND Cuba.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:49:15 No. 682025
>>682010 Khazhakstan has good relations with all the superpowers.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:51:09 No. 682029
>>682025 Euphemism for being ruled by bourgeois compradors!
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:51:16 No. 682030
>>682018 Cuba forging policy has always been a mixed bag due to the blockade. This doesn't absolve them, but it give us a reason why they do this.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:58:37 No. 682042
>>682029 Not gonna lie, that is true.
Every country
really Turkey hasn't condemned them? Is this gonna end up being put as a turkish operation lmao is trying to play it safe.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:07:11 No. 682051
> libleft CIA cunts stomped by based Russians
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:10:50 No. 682055
>>682042 Certain elements of Russian politics are blaming Turkey and ISIL for the protests, claiming they are sympathetic to Islamic Theocracy.
However, ErDOGan supports the kazakh government. Furthermore, Turkey and Israel usually align in political goals, wanting to partition syria etc. Israel, which funds and arms ISIL with mossad cash, also supports Kazakhstan.
Israel and Turkey also support the East Turkestan Uyghur Islamists. So this should tell you all you need to know about Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan is at the very least promoting Uyghur Islamism in China under the table, and recently wanted to criminalize criticism of the Nazi Turkestan Legion. The New World Order, whose capital is Nur-Sultan, and who has Rothschild world banks in all major powers around the globe, clearly wants Kazakhstan to win. China, though officially supporting Nur-Otan, the ruling party of Kazakhstan, is clearly attempting regime change against the NWO.
Trump antivaxxers, alongside communist parties in russia, greece, mexico, and the Communist Party of China, are resisting the New World Order's attempts to Islamize Central Asia with a pro-Kazakh government Color Revolution. East Turkestan is supported by the NWO, NATO and CSTO.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:12:24 No. 682059
>>682018 So maybe the protests is ISIS after all
I'm joking please don't go apeshit Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:12:55 No. 682062
>>682051 Harvard WASP students of Gehlen and Vlasovites don't fight each other.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:25:29 No. 682079
>>681783 Yes Anon, because socialist revolutions don't materialize out of nothing. The real gains as Marx said come from the strengthening of the worker's movement, the development of higher forms of consciousness, more robust organization, etc. You might as well say we shouldn't support strikes because they generally don't demand the collectivization of the means of production.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:25:45 No. 682080
>>682069 So as of now it seems the only ones siding with the protestors are a few communist parties and no one else.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:54:23 No. 682121
Muh Muslim savages who want to kill Christians!!!
This guy from Claremont Institute thread (Clint ehrlich) got thousands of retweets (paleoconservative american think)
https://twitter.com/b_nishanov/status/1479876899753050125?s=20 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_Institute https://mobile.twitter.com/clintehrlich 🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:57:44 No. 682130
>>682121 >The Claremont Institute has published an essay by a fellow calling for a "counter-revolution" against the "majority of people living in the United States today [who] can no longer be considered fellow citizens". They DO realize that it costs 2500 dollars to voluntarily stop being an american citizen, right? If it was free, people would probably voluntarily renounce their citizenship on a massive scale. 40% of americans support secession.
The only way to lose american citizenship for free is to be guilty of treason
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:58:15 No. 682131
>>681945 If the EU wanted to overthrow the Kazakh government then they wouldn't have been selling them weapons to begin with.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:00:10 No. 682137
>>682130 Well the punishment for Treason is death. At least spelled out in the Slave Owner's Constitution.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:17:42 No. 682154
>>681963 It will be very funny seeing Jason saying "ugh, no akchtually they are legit socialist struggle, and like CHYNAH, they are trying to co-opt things"
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:24:21 No. 682161
>>682121 Twitteroids are something else. It's really amusing seeing people like these crawling out of their caves with their atrocious takes when an event like this happens.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:40:32 No. 682173
>>682168 The Claremont Institute, not even once. I hate these fuckers, they're a small group but responsible for steering online discourse in the most infuriating way. Aimee Terese and the Red Scare Pod wouldn't be shit without Claremont and Peter Think, just to name a couple of "leftists" propped up to legitimize right wing burger populism. This Russia ethnic conflict is just more bullshit to rile up their white Christian grievance base.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:42:47 No. 682175
>>682131 I am incresasingly realizing that a full third of this board have taken the fedpill in a different direction: Literally nothing is genuine or not controlled by the CIA anymore.
After all.
>>681120 >The fact of the matter is that there is no part of the proletariat nowadays that isn't totally brainwashed with ned propaganda…anything that is pro Nato should be opposed even if it throws "proles" under the bus There is no proletariat, literally the entire planet are NED drones, this is a color revolution because there exists no movements outside of liberal color revolts.
This board is filled with nothing but paranoid schizo retards at this point.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:43:46 No. 682177
>>682173 Yeah completely correct. They disguise their agenda/culture war shit with legitimate grievances and problems to be able to propagate their ideas further and popularize them.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:47:29 No. 682181
So /leftypol/ is against to local communist party now because they are CIA operatives and Russia is "le based"?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:48:32 No. 682182
This is a good lesson in how the bourgeoisie of all nationalities close ranks when threatened.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:48:52 No. 682184
>>682181 No, because Cuba supports the Kazhak government.
>inb4 reeeeeee Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:49:02 No. 682185
>>682181 Well the frauds among us.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:51:15 No. 682186
>>681572 Looks more and more like a power struggle between different factions of Kazakhstan's ruling class. They opportunistically used the protesters as cannon fodder. The military and police were ordered to back down in Almaty and had their weapons taken. Weapon seizures did not happen in other parts of Kazakhstan since the goal was to take control of the government and detain officials.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:52:36 No. 682188
>>682185 Marxism isn't a religion, dogmatically clinging orthodoxy makes you the fraud.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 20:54:19 No. 682191
>>682186 >Weapon seizures did not happen in other parts of Kazakhstan since the goal was to take control of the government and detain officials. Almaty is not where the government is located, but yeah, that's why my hunch is more and more pointing it me, I am about 70% sure of this now.
Still no internet in Kazhak.
>>682185 Your imaginary revolutions in your brain don't count as based.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:01:14 No. 682196
I'm starting to think we are being raided by pro-Russia /pol/yps.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:07:13 No. 682204
>>682188 Lmao, only orthodoxy here is the dogs barking out "colour revolution!".
If the October Revolution happened today cretins on here would be yapping like Kerensky about spies.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:08:59 No. 682206
>>682196 They've always been here, the thing is that they may be pro-Russia but they're also pro-Cuba, pro-China, pro-Belarus, etc. so when actual color revolutions occur in those countries they correctly side with the government, however when it's a case like this one where it's not as obvious they instinctively choose to support the government unconditionally and uncritically because Kazakhstan is a country in the geopolitical sphere of Russia. Really intelligent and analytical thought process tbh.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:10:51 No. 682208
>>681954 Least deranged anti-USSR Russian nationalist.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:32:41 No. 682254
>>682204 No one is barking "color revolution" anymore in here, brit, but indeed is rejected now the violence against the government because Cuba is not supporting it.
Image, that now you are losing ground on your reasoning you have to compare the revolution of 1927 with what is happening in Kazhak, and that's somehow DiaMat.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:38:03 No. 682261
>>682206 Unfortunately, is much better than what has happened from the western left in the whole 21st century that started to praise some random revolution and not only arrived a more rihgt+winger country but also served for NATO gains.
Grillpilled Schizo 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:40:09 No. 682267
Am I the only one fucking horrified by the fact that Russia and Kazakh government has been doing Tianmen square times 10 and actually real this time for the last three days and literally all media is silent about it, or at best saying "dang these pictures sure are chaotic bro". This is literal mass murder. This 1905 Bloody Sunday on a modern scale. This is fucking inhuman god fucking damn it.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:43:10 No. 682275
An interesting article from the Cuba´s webpage on diplomatic representations that might help us understand a little why is it that the Cuban government is backing the Kazakh government. The article is only found in Spanish, but basically it states that back in May the Cuban ambassador to Kazakhstan and the vice-minister of their Ministry of Economy held conversations back in May where they talked about expanding cooperation in several areas: commercial, scientific, bio-tech, fight against Covid, agriculture, energy and mining. So it seems clear that Cuba has a very real interest on backing Kazakhstan´s gov and not the people protesting:
http://misiones.minrex.gob.cu/es/articulo/cuba-y-kazajstan-analizan-las-vias-para-incrementar-el-intercambio-economico-comercial 🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:43:36 No. 682277
>>682267 Every NATO, EU, CSTO, Israeli and Turkish rat justifying the crackdowns is a traitor to the Socialist movement and an enemy of the proletariat.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:44:46 No. 682279
>>682258 I have seen all of his work, tbh, he contradicts in some key points:
>The government did do concessions before the violence started. >Reduced the price of gas to prices below the increase >Was willing to talk >told to add more control to other prices And anyhow, violence erupted.
How can you explain the violence ,
if the government was willing to reduce the violence ,
before asking help to the CSTO , and
before ordering to fire before asking .
People don't go out of anywhere go to assault military bases.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:47:53 No. 682284
>>682279 Because the proletariat cannot always be "controlled" by concessions and scraps, nor should we. That is a basic communist truth.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:48:16 No. 682285
>>682267 I understand your concern but comparing to Tiananmen (as of now) doesn't seem very accurate. "Only" ~200 protesters were killed there, as of now at least according to what has been reported around 40 people have been killed here. Don't get me wrong, if this escalated or goes on for a while it will probably surpass the Tiananmen death toll eventually but it hasn't been as deadly so far.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:49:52 No. 682287
>>682275 Based Kazhak breaking NATO blockade.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:51:04 No. 682289
>>682284 >Because the proletariat cannot always be "controlled" by concessions and scraps, nor should we Oh-ho-ho-ho, and HOOOO
lmao, where you living under a rock in the last 20 years?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:58:17 No. 682296
>>682289 Nepal had a revolution within that time. 20 years is a blip in history really.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:59:56 No. 682298
>>682279 >How can you explain the violence, if the government was willing to reduce the violence, before asking help to the CSTO, and before ordering to fire before asking These things were accumulating for a looong time. They don't trust the political establishment and for a good reason. Similar thing happened in my own country a decade earlier. The sad thing is people could easily get seduced by a "new face" if the left doesn't get its shit together.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:02:22 No. 682303
RUSSIAN MAOIST PERSPECTIVE (translated)
http://maoism.ru/20292 The unrest that broke out in the west of Kazakhstan and quickly engulfed the entire country became a natural result of the long-term policy of the oligarchic dictatorship. The Nazarbayev-Tokayev regime, which became a consequence of the decay of Soviet state-monopoly capitalism, has been holding on to police truncheons for three decades and pursuing a tough neoliberal policy of shock therapy, most seriously from which the most vulnerable sections of the working people suffer. The trigger for the January events was a twofold increase in gas prices, and at first the petty bourgeois strata of car owners apparently participated in the protests, but the urban poor and the working class, tired of poverty, lawlessness and corruption, quickly joined the unrest.
The protesters, in particular, demand the departure of Nazarbayev and the complete resignation of the government, the return of the 1993 Constitution, the release of political prisoners, lower prices for food and fuel, lower retirement age, higher wages and pensions, and other measures.
Due to the mass and organization of the protests, and especially because of the radical mood of the masses (the seizure of administrations and the fight against the army and the police), caused by the active participation of the working class in protest, which continues thanks to the declaration of the strike, the regime was forced to make concessions: to partially cancel “ gas "innovations (initially it was about the return of the previous prices for hydrocarbon products only in the Mangistau region), and then to make gas prices lower than the pre-reform ones, to dismiss the government and even to deprive the" Elbasy "of Nursultan Nazarbayev of his lifelong post of head of the Security Council, as well as promising re-election of parliament. But these measures seemed insufficient and cosmetic to the Kazakh masses, and people remained on the streets of cities in all regions of the republic. The response to the escalation of protests was the habitual move of the elites,symbolically "returning" gas to the people in the form of a tear mixture to disperse the demonstrators, as well as flooding the streets with military equipment and disconnecting the Internet and telephony. Judging by the incoming news, this did not stop the rebels, who in a number of cities repulsed punitive units and disarmed them, seized administrative buildings and destroyed the offices of the ruling bourgeois Nur Otan party. This was followed by reports of the departure of representatives of the elite from the country, but quite expectedly, the country's President Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev promised to crack down on the rebels, whom he called “banditry elements” and “financially motivated” “conspirators”, introducing a state of emergency in the country. According to partially confirmed information, Russian security forces allegedly also went to Kazakhstan, although the Kremlin officialdom claimswhich considers what is happening as an internal affair of the neighboring state. However, it can be assumed that the fall of the Nazarbayev dictatorship could hit Russian imperialism, so it is possible that the results of secret diplomacy may be measures to save the fraternal regime connected with Moscow both politically and economically. Even the cosmonauts of the Republic of Kazakhstan with serious faces are asking the Russian military to save the frightened Kazakh people, but in fact the oligarchy of Kazakhstan worried about their power.Even the cosmonauts of the Republic of Kazakhstan with serious faces are asking the Russian military to save the frightened Kazakh people, but in fact the oligarchy of Kazakhstan worried about their power.Even the cosmonauts of the Republic of Kazakhstan with serious faces are asking the Russian military to save the frightened Kazakh people, but in fact the oligarchy of Kazakhstan worried about their power.
An important point of the current protests and a lesson for all subsequent ones is that the protesters were organized by the support of the labor collectives of some enterprises, which not only participate in street protests, but also organize political strikes and economic strikes, which largely unsettled the regime and forced it to serious, albeit formal, concessions. It is worth noting that Kazakhstani workers have accumulated a lot of strike experience and struggle against violation of their rights in recent years, and grapes of anger have ripened since at least 2011, when the authorities staged a bloody massacre of striking oil workers in Zhanaozen. By the way, this long-suffering city has become one of the epicenters of the January "gas" protests.
Now the future of Kazakhstan depends precisely on the working class, its awareness of its role in what is happening and its ability to rally around itself the working people of the country. If he manages to stand at the head of the protests and turn the often spontaneous riots of a desperate people into an organized movement for a truly democratic reconstruction of the country, there will be a chance that the uprising will not be crushed or turned into a formal transfer of power from one capitalist clan to another without changing the economic base.
The movement towards a new democracy - democracy in the interests of the majority of society - is possible only if the new government of the country is represented not by the next oligarchies, systemic or non-systemic politicians and bureaucratic clans, but by representatives of the working masses. The interests of the majority of workers can only be represented by political structures independent of the establishment, representing the working class and ready to become the communist vanguard of all the oppressed. And such forces in Kazakhstan, alas, are weak, although we dare to assume that this country, despite the 30-year capital-bureaucratic despotism, has the most vivid experience of the struggle of workers for their rights and freedoms in the entire post-Soviet space.
The movement of workers and the oppressed in Kazakhstan is represented by the Trotskyist tendency, which is relatively rooted in the country's large cities, despite the repressions of the regime, in places close to the working collectives, as well as by the retrograde communists of the Brezhnev persuasion, who have long been on the sidelines of the class struggle. It is clear that these forces are unlikely to automatically become the political vanguard of the lower classes.
There is still no powerful party of the working class and all oppressed groups in Kazakhstan, as well as in most of the republics of the former USSR due to the many years of domination of the revisionists and their direct heirs, who became the new tsars and beys. Therefore, alas, there is no need to talk about a socialist perspective for Kazakhstan in the near future. But if the working class manages to build its line in this element and show independence in its actions, this can be an important step towards the emergence of such a force that can become a compass of the movement towards socialism, and not a cog thrown from the working ship of our time, whose optics are disgusted any bursts of popular unrest in the ex-USSR as "external intrigues" or "wrong revolutions." After all, this is what, as a rule, the majority of post-Soviet and “red” guards are engaged in today, in the worst traditions of opportunism, in solidarity with rotten governments and seriously fearing that her majesty history will rock their cozy sectarian sofas.
We wish the proletariat, the oppressed masses and the people of Kazakhstan success in the struggle for their future and the future of their country!
From our side, the Russian Maoists, it is necessary to direct all our forces to provide class solidarity to the workers of Kazakhstan, to do everything possible to reveal and prevent the plans of the Russian and Kazakh capital to suppress the protests by the force of the tracks of Russian tanks. The fight continues!
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:04:52 No. 682307
>>682296 Ah, yes, the so accused of being Chinese puppet state in the ultras heads…
And you had to dig in… how many different countries? and resort to the last sentence using some sort of conformism…. using "blip".
No wonder why the west doesn't have socialist revolutions…
>>682298 >These things were accumulating for a looong time In Colombia things, too.
a) Duque didn't give shit nor concessions
b) People didn't go to take military bases weapons (especially hard to grasp if they were given some concessions, too)
>>682298 >They don't trust the political establishment and for a good reason Burgers don't trust their government to the point they fabricate conspiracy theories, yet they don't violently go to take weapons out of military bases.
Some organization was held underground, but I highly doubt it was socialist nor worker organized in nature.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:10:51 No. 682311
>>682307 I'm not an ultraleftist.
Anyway what's your point?
Concessions can't prevent revolution or even protests/strikes at a certain point.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:16:42 No. 682313
>>682311 >not an ultra leftist >bring a Maoist party of Russia post My point is that the violence in Kazhak doesn't seem communist, and your excuse of mixing up things like violence against the bourgeoisie is justifiable here without any evidence that the violence is exactly a win for the
uninexistent socialist movement. You want to believe what is not there.
I stand with Cuban's government statement, which knows two or three things more than you about upholding socialist revolutions and working-class struggles against imperialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:19:57 No. 682315
>>682313 Read the president of kazakhstan statement on protest
Tell me what is in anyway anti imperialist about his leadership or guidance. Literally protecting foreign business and open to all of them
This is not comparable to distinct south america leaders vocally against IMF or world bank etc
bloodgasm 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:29:29 No. 682326
>>682230 >American Pan-Turkism Sounds like a special entrée you'd find in a Turkish restaurant in the states.
>>682267 Yes, its fucking atrocious.
All this finger pointing is ridiculous. Doesn't fucking matter who the fuck started the shit when the shit already started flying. What does matter is building strong local networks beforehand (whether orgs or affinity groups) in order to weather the conflict because as we all see one's "foreign comrades" might as well let you die to the "peace keepers" than lend a helping hand and solidarity only goes so far when the bullets start flying.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:33:10 No. 682333
>>682315 This is a deflection point of my statement. Politicians be politicians not explaining stuff and doing broad statements that can be interpreted in multiple ways and I am not here to defend someone who hasn't deleted the communist suppression of his predecessor
not like he could do that alone when the country was controlled by Nazarbayev, in reality, and doesn't represent our interests in many areas.
What do you want me to say? that the violence is justifiable because he wants to defend international trade?
is now communism an isolationist ideology?
Yes, oil workers, protesters were protesting. Does that mean these guys (Tokayev's) can't be attacked by worst factions than theirs?
Fuck, if a fucking capitalist is in power, what do you expect to see?
Does that mean the Cuban government is wrong in supporting the government that was open to breaking the NATO blockade? Hell, no.
I still see this as an ousting process of Nazerbayevs ruling class by some external influence, but not a communist uprising
I really wish .
>>682326 This is a correct take in that last statement. It should be advisable to create multiple social international networks so we can point fingers at anyone fucking with workers, like, if in Kazhak happens a violation of workers' rights, it should be possible to communicate it to the world no matter if they are internet censored.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:38:01 No. 682342
>>682313 Ultraleftism is "left communism", the sort Lenin was attacking for their ridiculous attitudes of no compromise.
Kazakhstan does have a socialist movement, although like all others in the post-USSR it's repressed.
As for Cuba, it's not some godlike authority.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:40:27 No. 682346
>>682258 >>682279 (me)
Also, something yesterday I was wondering reviwing his YT channel, I would like to know how's communicating this to the outside if there's no internet from there. Is he out from Kazakh? This is important. If he's not in Kazakh his information loses reliability.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:42:48 No. 682349
>>682342 >it's not some godlike authority OH-HO-HO-HO
Talk to me when you achieve your revolution.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:46:11 No. 682352
>>682285 Reminds of Myanmar. A shitton of people have died there (more than Tiananmen by far), and yet, a defining silence is emitted from the media.
The only instances i remember shit is going down there is whenever i visit r/combatfootage.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:51:20 No. 682359
>>681453 He's obviously shitposting.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:54:45 No. 682361
>>682349 I'm not attacking Cuba, just saying that it doesn't have automatic authority on all world affairs.
Here's a thought: the ComParty of Cuba and Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan are both in the IMCWP.
http://www.solidnet.org/meetings-and-statements/imcwp/Extraordinary-TeleConference-of-the-International-Meeting-of-Communist-and-Workers-Parties/ Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 22:56:55 No. 682370
>>682333 >It should be advisable to create multiple social international networks <so we can point fingers at anyone fucking with workers, like, if in Kazhak happens a violation of workers' rights, it should be possible to communicate it to the world no matter if they are internet censored. yes, the most important goal of internationalism is providing enough info to leftypol so that impatient happening fags here can instantly have a correct take and provide symbolic support to the correct side
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 23:03:48 No. 682378
>>682370 I am not saying for us, we are an easy to co-opt board on the internet. But for real movements. kek. and from there, then we can just use this place as a beacon to retransmit the invaluable information, even if the internet is cut-off.
This is not my main source on-ground of the worldwide events but is one of them.
much appreciated mods Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 23:16:27 No. 682385
>>682315 Has NATO said anything regarding Kazakhstan?
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 23:50:30 No. 682418
>>682385 Not yet
AFAIK . But you should expect them to support the gov since they are on friendly relations.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49598.htm Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 00:09:40 No. 682443
>>682079 labor strikes don't commit beheadings or aim to overthrow governments. this is a political movement, not a strike. and by all indications, it's a capitalist political movement. i don't support capitalist political movements killing people or overthrowing governments without some really good reason. i haven't seen any good reason.
Also note the irony of the anarkiddies in here who hate "capitalist China" and "dengists" etc, saying we have to use and support capitalism indefinitely to hopefully build socialism somewhere down the road. socialist revolutions don't materialize out of nothing, after all!
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 00:17:24 No. 682450
>>682443 >labor strikes don't commit beheadings or aim to overthrow governments. Yea but thinking that the protests have just one common ideology would be stupid.
Kazakhstan is a country with a lot of muslims who might have been inspired by ISIS, at the same time that there are workers who are fed up with the goverment fucking them up everyday (and the times they went on strike the president straight out shot at them).
Reminder that during the russian civil war there were like, 50 factions (most of them contrary to soviet rule, some of them being like social-revolutionaries but ones being slighty more radical than the other…), or how in the civil war there were like 10 al-qaeda and radical islamist organizations which fought each other (and are probably fighting eachother as we speak) and against Assad (which btw the syrian civil war happened because of stuff like what's happening in Kazakhstan, mostly a drought and Assad behaving like a neoliberal, and although I don't know how the situation with NATO was like before the civil war, I mean Syria hates Israel since always, but they helped on the Iraq war, although that might have been real politik tbh).
The problem with non-organized protests, like the ones we're seeing, is that everyone is revolting at the same time.
Also you gotta recognize that after 30 years of being promised a better life, Kazakhstans must be fucking furious with their goverment.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 01:47:08 No. 682523
>>682385 Atlantic council did. Check his blogspot. (They like the propaganda arm of the NATO).
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 01:52:02 No. 682527
>>681644 I will take the opportunity that now the thread is full to comment on this. DO not pay attention to Sage and similar takes. He is a brit who is living under aristocracy rule, "godgiven by blood right" to decide how and what to utilize capitalism, not even a complete liberal revolution arrived at the U.K., and has no ground to attack China. His takes are pure idealism and rarely is right on matters that are alien to his U.K. immediate sphere.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 03:50:58 No. 682659
It's telling that the usual tinfoilers (Leninhat and Sage) actually have reasonable takes ITT
>>682254 Hot take: The Cuban communist party today is slowly becoming afflicted by the same revisionist petite bourgeois rot that affected all the other communist parties that have fallen so far, especially obvious if you've kept up with the developments there over the past few years
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 17:29:06 No. 683553
>>682659 >Hot take: The Cuban communist party today is slowly becoming afflicted by the same revisionist petite bourgeois rot that affected all the other communist parties that have fallen so far, especially obvious if you've kept up with the developments there over the past few years If westerners don't fucking start their socialist revolution, what do you want from the Cubans?
Also, Lenin admitted that the revolutions in their difficult days had to adjust daily their policies or else would go extinct. How's that revisionism?
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 00:35:38 No. 688992
>>682443 >labor strikes don't commit beheadings maybe in your country
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