Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:31:27 No. 680318
>But I hread information that contradicts his words like the Polish People's republic
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:33:36 No. 680321
>>680318 Thank for telling
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:34:34 No. 680323
>>680318 So your saying that my father is correct
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:37:07 No. 680325
>>680321 >>680323 i'm saying that primary sources from someone who experienced it first hand are more reliable then something you read online
but it sounds like you'll flip that because you want one to be true and the other not
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:39:27 No. 680329
>>680325 TBH I have denied a lot of things my parents said to me about socialism
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:40:04 No. 680330
>>680329 seems like you have a case of feels > reels
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:41:46 No. 680332
Your dad's stories could easily be true, but that doesn't mean his opinion/memory of the PPR as a whole properly reflects reality.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:43:13 No. 680337
All of these things happen in capitalist countries, so they are not problems inherent to socialism. Either way, past mistakes on the part of former socialist countries can be avoided. Form your own beliefs; don't end up like one of those people who are exact clones of their reactionary parents.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:43:25 No. 680339
>>680325 The reason why I stopped believing in my parents is because all of the things they said sounds like anti-communist propaganda that would used by the VOC
that is why I stopped trusting them
And because they were all so well controversial political especially my dad with and his hate of Russians and jews
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:44:37 No. 680341
>>680339 >The reason why I stopped believing in my parents is because all of the things they said sounds like anti-communist propaganda that would used by the VOC sounds like you got your feelings hurt so instead of listening to the reality of the situation you just pretended it didn't happen
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:45:22 No. 680343
>>680304 eastern europe has always been a shithole regardless of economic system. that can be chalked up not to socialism but to poland
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:46:41 No. 680347
>>680337 I already knew that and thank you guys you are some of the best people I've ever met I mean in general leftypol are people that understand most of my beliefs
if it's ok if I call the leftypol community my friends and comrades in arms >>680337 Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:47:59 No. 680350
sounds like you're just a child whining about mommy and daddy
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:48:43 No. 680351
whats so confusing? Even as a communist Poland wasn't a good place to be
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:48:50 No. 680352
>>680341 TBH yes that is exactly what I do because my parents experienced very horrible things that scarred them today especially my father I mean he says he was beaten up by the police martial law police and that is the reason why can't walk you know I take care of him all of the time because he is disabled and has problems walking in streets
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:51:10 No. 680354
>>680352 >TBH yes that is exactly what I do because my parents experienced very horrible things that scarred them today especially my father I mean he says he was beaten up by the police martial law police and that is the reason why can't walk you know I take care of him all of the time because he is disabled and has problems walking in streets do you have ptsd and afraid to look at things critically?
(IP range and post history congruent with nazi ban evader) (Glowing) Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 20:59:39 No. 680360
Communist Poland was a much better place to be than capitalist Poland before or after the Polish People's Republic. Just look at how the quality of life compared
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:01:52 No. 680363
Poland as a satellite state was doomed due to mismanagement and arguably geographic determinism, primarily with the lack of an agriculture sector. The PRL government was heavily focused on industrialization and modernization projects, which were largely successful, but all of that is meaningless if you have no agriculture, the rest of the Warsaw Pact countries had no agriculture either to provide Poland and the countries that actually have agriculture aren't willing to trade with you under the the threat of US sanctions and you're forced to increase food prices more than your citizens are willing to tolerate. Venezueula fell into a similar trap but the PSUV is lucky their opposition is nowhere near as as competent and appealing as Solidarność was. As soon as Poland left the Soviets and joined the West removing all their trade restrictions their economic problems quickly went away.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:03:26 No. 680365
>He said he had to serve the military >Was beaten by the Polish martial law police
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:12:40 No. 680372
You shouldn't blindly have faith in anyone. Neither your parents or the posters on an Albanian bunker-building forum. Make your own research. Read books etc. You might want to talk to your other relatives that live in Poland. Just know that under every system of government there will be dissidents that don't feel at home.
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:16:11 No. 680380
>>680304 My parents also lived in the eastern bloc, Romania to be precise, and they hated it as well. Mostly because at that time, sentiments were very strong to compare themselves with the west, without taking int account the history of capialism, imperialism, unequal development etc. It just was perceived through a lense of "they have stuff and we don't, so let's try their system". I think in hindsight they know that they have been sold a false deal.
My point being, what your parents has some merit as it was their experience, that doesn't mean they understand the socio-economic reasons behind their lived experience. Austerity was implemented in Romania by Ceausescu in the last years and it sucked exponentially for everyone involved, but my parents know jackshit as to why it was implemented in the first place.
Most people are not political and so they will say things sucked, if something objectively sucked without looking into the details. If the governement calls itself socialist, while things suck, and you're part part of a wider wave of anti-socialist hysteria amongst young people in the 80-90s, then guess what, you've taken a clear position
Anonymous 2022-01-07 (Fri) 21:34:50 No. 680419
Your dad should've been beaten to death tbh
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 00:55:00 No. 680827
>>680347 Thanks comrade <3
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:00:56 No. 680836
>>680304 >My farther lived in the Polish People's republic in the city of >Gdansk he said that socialism in Poland was a totalitarian hel hole Yea it was pretty shit at the end, we should do better.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:42:30 No. 680893
>>680304 Your parents’ experiences are probably not false, but certainly not the whole truth. There were problems and mismanagement in the PRL, but that’s not the whole truth. Whether or not they’re representative of the whole Polish population is another thing as well.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:44:24 No. 680895
>>680363 This happened because they barely collectivized their agriculture. Even the bulgarians knew what their problem was, as Paul Cockshott described in towards a new socialism
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:55:06 No. 680915
>>680304 Your father sounds like a liberal or reactionary.
>had to serve the military No shit, most socialist countries have conscription. My dad has a much more positive recollection of his time being conscripted in the JNA and doing youth work actions in Yugoslavia. Maybe he just hated commies or his family was bourgeois or something. ML countries were very harsh and many people didn't like that, but a lot of them are gusanos who got mad they couldn't just get rich running a business.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 08:30:03 No. 681402
>>680895 >you need to collectivize agriculture >cockshott says so Wow
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 08:49:06 No. 681425
>>681416 Sad. Can't think yourself so you reference Cockshott
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 08:53:33 No. 681429
>>681402 No, Cockshott was quoting a group of Bulgarians making that assertion.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 09:17:00 No. 681460
>>681402 Michael Ellman says this too (Socialist Planning, 3rd edition, chapter 3 I think). the Poles fucked up. this is where much of the "muh food lines" meme comes from. Bulgaria did a better job of collectivizing and mechanizing agriculture and thus they had more and better food than did Pooland
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 10:03:54 No. 681499
>>680887 >>680915 >>680915 >>680350 <<He says he is a liberal Conservative >>sounds like you're just a child whining about mommy and daddy >>I am no child I am aged 16 the reason why I sound like Child is because I have a case of autism.
Thanks comrade
junko for free copy of( blackshirts and Reds)
>(IP range and post history congruent with nazi ban evader) >(Glowing) I believe in the Labour theory of value and I do have some >>understanding of Marxist dialectics but it's pretty well pathetic but for a person in the United Kingdom it's better than nothing so no I'm no fascist I am just a non secular socialist
an English Republican as a person who wants a republic instead of a monarchy.
(you must be 18 years of age or older to use this site) Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:39:10 No. 682011
>>681499 come back when you're older kid
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:10:22 No. 682053
People that lives in Warsaw Pact/USSR are actually a terrible source of knowledge on those countries, they are often blinded by hatred and racism.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 19:13:59 No. 682065
>>682053 4/10 made me respond.
People who emigrated from former socialist bloc countries shouldn’t be listened to. Those who lived with the aftermath, OTOH…
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 21:21:54 No. 682238
>>680380 Only good posts ITT
>>680893 >>680915 Bitter faggot. definitely an ANGLO
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 18:32:39 No. 683608
>>682238 He’s a yugo, you catamite
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 18:57:37 No. 683646
My parents and older sister lived in socialism and liked it. And I must ask. Why are poolish people the worst people in the history of our species?
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 19:55:25 No. 683783
>>683608 diasporoid moment
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 00:15:48 No. 684205
>>683783 Imagine staying in a country with 40% unemployment and mafia everywhere.
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