Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:44:25 No. 680896
Because they don't really matter anyways.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:47:41 No. 680903
Operation Peter Pan, the CIA evacuated most of the domestic opposition by taking kids from boujee families and shipping them to Miami
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:53:57 No. 680912
Certain parts of the US-aligned bloc have in fact refused to participate in the American campaign to destroy Cuba. The European Union and Canada have a lot of trade with Cuba and have for a long time.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 01:57:43 No. 680918
Well, the eternal science of marxism, obviously.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:30:01 No. 681059
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Nice
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 03:51:42 No. 681080
>>681056 damn bro that's dark
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:10:25 No. 681099
>fending off a bunch of drugged up mafiosos and gusano paramilitaries and their weary spook handlers with a baseline competent military and counter-intelligence
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:35:51 No. 681130
>>680889 It would take the US no effort to bomb every inch of Cuban soil and every person within
to ash . They could terrorize Cuba with drones. The US can do this whenever they please, the only thing stopping them is that there is nothing to gain from destroying Cuba but they are useful as an example to others, of what it looks to be
under the boot . Cuba is but another wedge issue in the US political circus and their inmiseration just another knob to turn for right wing politicians or foreign policy aims.
Cuba has no say in this.
If the facade of liberal democracy ever fumbles in the US, Cuba will be made an example of and all the doctor diplomacy and solidarity in the world couldn't stop it.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:43:01 No. 681145
>>681130 >It would take the US no effort to bomb every inch of Cuban soil and every person within to ash It would take Cuba no effort whatsoever to shoot down all the American bombers. Vietnameses could do that, Cubans can totally do the same. Americans fly on overpriced retarded crap metal, they don't have any tactics that work against peers, only against people with no anti-air whatsoever, and such.
Cuba murdered the last CIA attempt to smuggle in anti-revolutionaries en masse (bay of pigs, eh), and kept on "intervening" into Africa and Asia to thwart American attempts there. So no, Cuba has very much say in this, as they have shown time and time again that USA sucks at war.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:47:13 No. 681155
>Leftypol genuinely believes the US couldn’t invade Cuba if it actually wanted to
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:53:31 No. 681167
>>681155 >buhh if i wanted to!!!! lol, strategical victory is 90% of victory anyways
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 04:55:01 No. 681170
>>681155 It’s not that the USA can’t, it’s that the USA has a low probability of overthrowing the central Cuban government.
The American army relies on technology to win most of its battles because American army generals are bad at strategizing and handling supply line issues. Because of this most American wars are often related to minor skirmishes between rebel groups or intervention in states already in conflict.
The American army is not equipped nor disciplined enough to handle a conventional invasion or being invaded by another state.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 05:07:13 No. 681194
>>681170 The American military is very much equipped to do another Iraq or Afghanistan-style invasion. The real problem is you can't win against an insurgency.
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:03:51 No. 681323
>>680959 Somebody (it might've been AusJuche, maybe not though) previously speculated something along these lines with regards to Cuba and the DPRK.
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:04:45 No. 681326
>>681323 More specifically I think it was something about them being a product of an aggressive national liberation war
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:10:20 No. 681334
>>680889 Soviet Union prevented an invasion until 1990. Americans stopped caring as much about Cuba after 1990 because communist superpower threat was gone.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:13:14 No. 681337
>>681334 Cuba from decades of constant sanctions and the real threat of american invasion became self-sufficient in defense, food production and energy. By 1990, Cuba fell down on the list of priorities for the US. Now its barely relevant other than GITMO.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:15:43 No. 681340
>>681337 Americans don't want to invade Cuba especially now. You can't stir up ambition in congress to invade Cuba like you could with a muslim country. Nobody sees cubans as threats.
Cuba lasted thru the worst and now its smooth sailing. They were formed thru bloody revolution and still retain that mentality. Always on alert for americans.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:44:28 No. 681366
>>681340 >now its smooth sailing. Aren't they still fucked economically because of the sanctions and lack of support from the USSR
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 07:59:53 No. 681379
Revolutionary Nationalism
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 08:02:40 No. 681380
>>681155 No, actually it could, this is obvious, but imagine what the world would say.
They just can't justify that, it would enrage china and russia, not because of Cuba itself, but because that would be the start of another arms race.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 08:15:11 No. 681387
>>681366 They don't have to worry about being invaded as much as they did in the 1980s. Smooth sailing is relative and might have been a bad phrase to use here. The threat of invasion is less and their government is less likely to be overthrown.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 09:33:53 No. 681477
>>680896 This. They mattered during the Cold War because they could have been a forward base for the USSR. Now they are nothing.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 09:59:28 No. 681496
>>680911 It's a pedo thing
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 10:06:09 No. 681502
>>680896 >>681477 If that were true the US would've dropped the blockade decades ago
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 11:13:02 No. 681557
>>680889 Socialism.
That's how.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 15:53:39 No. 681774
>>680889 Strong central planning under socialism
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 16:03:51 No. 681794
>>681155 >Flagfag reinforces the narrative of USA stronk Huh
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:46:18 No. 682017
>>680896 >>680896 Clearly not the case since they’re still trying to psyop it today
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 18:48:13 No. 682023
>>682017 American inferiority
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 23:21:01 No. 682390
Cuba managing to have a presence in Africa and the rest of LatAm during the Cold War was great. Wish that the USSR was backing that more when it’s still alive and kicking.
Anonymous 2022-01-08 (Sat) 23:50:06 No. 682417
>>682390 >Cuba managing to have a presence in Africa and the rest of LatAm during the Cold War was great yeah, exploiting the oil and other natural resources of colonized ppl is great as long as you're in the right geopolitical bloc
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 01:45:52 No. 682521
>>682417 >exploiting the oil and other natural resources of colonized ppl cuba was fighting apartheid pretty much for free retard
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 03:44:21 No. 682653
>>682521 >cuba was fighting apartheid source
>pretty much for free source
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 03:52:51 No. 682662
>>682653 Google the Angolan Civil War, Cuba fought alongside MPLA and ANC fighters against the South African Army
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 04:04:59 No. 682668
Subjugation to the soviet economy through sugar exports and internal markets managed by the state
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 04:08:02 No. 682671
>>682662 they were there to protect oil drilling operations which were threatened by the ongoing fighting and extract subsidies for themselves in exchange for their mercenary services
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 04:16:24 No. 682678
>>682662 That's Angola, not South Africa. It's a more accurate to say that they were fighting against factions backed by apartheid South Africa and the CIA. Of course the Cubans fighting in Angola contributed to Nelson Mandela's victory, but it's not like the Cubans actually liberated Southern Africa from capitalism.
kind off topic, but I'd reccomend the documentary The CIA and the Angolan Revolution on YouTube. Southern Africa is a criminally underdiscussed front of the Cold War today.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 04:21:44 No. 682679
>>682678 Because the only thing that occurred there was power tripping boers blasting government budgets on pointless imperial war like all the other eurofaggot shitholes run by imperialist shitbags. What actually mattered in the Cold War was SEA Central America and east Africa as those regions had actual ML states form and can thrive without being puppets of NATO
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 04:48:28 No. 682707
>>682671 Cite your sources
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 05:01:21 No. 682722
>>682719
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 05:52:40 No. 682792
>>682777
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 05:55:15 No. 682797
>>681155 If it'd happened Cuba is now a shithole and not a, AES, fuckwad.
>>682417 >yeah, exploiting the oil and other natural resources of colonized ppl is great as long as you're in the right geopolitical bloc Dropped your flag, huh, anprim faggot?
>>682671 [citation needed], retard
>>682777 until the day comes and the US went unstable and so does other anglo havens
>>682668 cope and seethe more
>>682719 >America was never defeated militarially. Answer these questions retard:
8-15-2021 = ?
4-30-1975 = ?
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:15:14 No. 682830
>>682417 >>682671 where are proofs retard
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:18:02 No. 682838
>>682813 >Massive losses <but the DoD would never lie!
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:21:15 No. 682846
>>682813 >they stopped having any significance after >They didn't even fought against the US when resurging
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:24:15 No. 682851
>>682707 >>682797 >>682830 i asked for proofs first and got none
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1978/06/18/cuban-troops-in-angola-guard-gulf-oil-works/f984f26d-acfb-410b-add9-596b782487af/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-12-04-8603310808-story.html sonangol, angola's state owned petro company, made up the vast majority of the MPLA government's revenue, to the point where it's really just a glorified petro company
that was what cuba exchanged all of its doctors and soldiers for, not fighting a dying, isolated apartheid regime with increasingly fraying ties to the US government lol
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:27:40 No. 682858
>>682851 >that was what cuba exchanged all of its doctors and soldiers for, not fighting a dying, isolated apartheid regime with increasingly fraying ties to the US government lol Yes, but you know this organization called SWAPO?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War Don't forget to check its infobox!
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:28:10 No. 682859
>>682855 >barely civilized sanduyghurs.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:31:56 No. 682866
>>682858 wow, lemme look at this infobox of everyone marginally related to a 2 decade plus low-intensity conflict
>>682855 why are you here?
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:35:11 No. 682872
>>682868
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:37:07 No. 682874
>>682860 It implies that whites civilize every civilization they encounter with and not oppressing them.
>>682872 Read Killing Hope burger.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:42:07 No. 682884
>>682851 >angola bro cuba sent doctors to places more than angola…..
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 06:51:32 No. 682900
>>680889 Wouldn't Havana and at least a big chunk of the rest of Cuba be in artillery range from Florida? The US doesn't need planes or boats or drones or invasions to lay waste to Cuba. No need to use fancy expensive missiles or anything just good old canons and rockets. Ciudad de la Havana holds 2M of the 11M population.
Not that any of that is necessary when Cuba imports more than half of it's food. The US could starve them at any time, proper siege starvation not this politicking blockade with concerns for PR. Of course the US doesn't
want to wage a short war of extermination on Cuba>>680889
but the point is they
could do it with ease.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 13:09:06 No. 683275
>>680889 I always found it kinda funny that the USA still holds onto Gitmo inside an otherwise "communist" country. They even put their big scary terrorist prison there
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 16:07:51 No. 683458
>>680889 >waging wars in Africa >destroying old census records from the 1700s >goes from a authoritarian whorehouse for americans to a communist whorehouse for russians Ok, what was the great difference? :-/
Also:
>le bicycling meme man showing a stick into the front wheel Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 16:10:15 No. 683461
>>683458 >armchain falsifiying history to go against socialist coutries. truly the term chair Agent Kochinskiists fit them to a T
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 16:16:00 No. 683466
>>683275 >I always found it kinda funny that the USA still holds onto Gitmo inside an otherwise "communist" country. They even put their big scary terrorist prison there And, the US is paying their rent. And Cuba is every year tearing up the check.
Pity, it could be a huge boost to their economy.
>>682887 Haven't anyone told you that the republicans lost the war? But maybe you and big brain Kaczynski can draft a new society. You know, one built on intelligence and no personal interests. It will go perfectly this time.
>>683461 Before Castro: Cuba had a lower rate of infant mortality than France or Italy.
After Castro: Cuba has a lower rate of infant mortality than Laos or Fiji.
And in case anyone wonders. I am against sanctions towards Cuba. If anything, it only strengthens the party. USMC should do a landing operation where they bring american businessmen to Cuba. Maybe two marines for every businessman so he's brung properly to the shores.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 16:18:39 No. 683470
>>683466 >Pity, it could be a huge boost to their economy. Those checks are for like 200 usd, they wouldn't have made a big impact even in the Machado era
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 17:30:54 No. 683557
>>681477 >a Marxist-Leninist state in what the US considers their front porch doesn't matter lol
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-09 (Sun) 19:08:13 No. 683666
>>683466 >Haven't anyone told you that the republicans lost the war? But maybe you and big brain Kaczynski… The particulars about who said it do not matter. Lenin once said in the early days of the Bolsheviks that "we will win because we are right". Marx more or less said that workers have nothing to lose but their chains. To fuse these two, socialism will win because the alternative is exactly death for humanity and the Earth that sustains it. What that Spanish Republican said reflected historical materialism. What Mao said reflected it too. What Kaczynski said reflected previous history applied to current history. What Dean spoke about reflected current history echoing previous history and so on.
The problem is a technical one and it will be figured out because of the immense amount of intellectual and other human resources dedicated to establishing socialism. The IRA said to the face of neoliberalism that "you have to get lucky each time, we only must get lucky once". The truth is more like that they must get lucky ten times as much as socialist parties, but in principle what they said is correct.
They can only propagandize and pay off people to work for death-capitalism. Socialism inspires without either of those, albeit they might help it gain numbers at critical moments.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 15:22:19 No. 685242
>>683470 >implying that Cuba's economy is so good that it doesn't need 200 USD Anon, I…
>>683666 >The particulars about who said it do not matter. Lenin once said in the early days of the Bolsheviks that "we will win because we are right". Marx *RECORD SCRATCH*
*FREEZE FRAME*
Yup, that's me. Now, you may wonder how I ended up in this situation. Well, let's just rewind some 70 years.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 00:48:26 No. 685971
>>685242 You cannot escape communism. Communism will haunt you as long as capitalism exists, as long as wage slavery exists, as long as the productive classes are divorced from the means of production that they use day in and day out, as long as the ownership is concentrated in a very small hand of people. Communism will haunt you as long as capitalism exists, and one day capitalism will perish. Just as the human body inevitably forms cancer cells past a certain age, capitalism will give birth to the conditions that allow socialism to grow in the first place and devour it from inside out. The USSR was just the beginning, but not the end. History did not end on December 26, 1991. We will haunt you, and we will bury you, if not today, but tomorrow - all you have done was dragging out the inevitable. Capitalism will go the way of feudalism - no economic mode of production can last forever.
AusJuche !ZXQDW3xEPE 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:06:10 No. 686006
>>680889 Cost/benefit.
During the Cold War, significant resources were thrown at fucking the country up because of the danger it posed as a missile/naval base for the USSR as another anon here said. On its own Cuba is a country with a small population & very few natural resources, it has no real potential to industrialize or practice any kind of autarky on its own (minimum for basic industrial autarky is probably land the size of Nigeria + a population of 80 million, DPRK is a weird exception to this at least in the medium term due to historical circumstances + lucking out with geography) and is too poor to go around sponsoring revolutions in Latin America. The cost of invasion or significant investment into into overthrowing the state (+ likely loss of geopolitical capital) vs benefit from seizing the market/privatizing its resources etc just doesn't make it worth it. The democrats & aligned factions of capital favoured a kind of rapprochement/soft power subjugation & we saw this process begin in Obama's 2nd term. Trump basically fucked that up though & after both that and the entire Libya debacle Cuba aren't going to take the bait or trust any US admin. The Colour revolution didn't really work but it's still not worth it to invade, unless Russia or China still places significant military assets on the Island it's likely the US is going to be content to just keep up the embargo and let the state continue its current long path of degeneration.
tl;dr - It survives purely because post-USSR collapse it's too insignificant for the US to justify investing anything into conquering it.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 03:28:28 No. 686293
>>686286 >Cuba cannot feed itself, not by a long stretch, right now
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 03:36:38 No. 686299
>>686293 Cuba imports like half their food if not more. They are not self sufficient in food or fuel or parts to keep the infrastructure running. If the US disregards the PR loss and squeezes the blockade, add a few strategic destruction of infrastructure and fields and the island nation of Cuba becomes unable to sustain most of it's population. Cuba may be resisting the US, but in a realpolitik way Cuba is
permitted to exist by the US because it could be destroyed at any time, if the will was there to do so.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 03:43:10 No. 686306
>>686299 So what if they import foods? This doesn't mean that they couldn't feed themselves if they wanted to. They probably reckoned it would be cheaper to import than to produce themselves. This isn't unique to Cuba.
Great "realpolitik" ideas you got there where you try to regime change a country via mass genocide, I wonder if that approach worked in the Korean War or anywhere else!
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:10:46 No. 686368
>>686299 Cuba has huge army and reserves and experience of murdering yankees in other countries during "interventions". Potentially speaking, USA is *permitted* to exist by Cuba not invading them.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:23:53 No. 686381
>>686299 Just because they are not doing it doesn’t mean they can’t do it.
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