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 No.681672

We should stop with the insane dogmatic shit and adopt more realistic goals and policies that actually improve material conditions for the working class instead of defending Thirdworld-dictator#75 which alienates both the western working class and the people suffering under those regimes.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.681673

>>681672
I think Agent Kochinskies beard is fuck ugly

 No.681675

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MonBol or death.

 No.681679

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>>681672
I hope for your sanity that this is satire,

 No.681682

>>681672
I agree, and the first step is to defeat the fascists at home - the Republican party. As long as they exist we have no choice but to critically support the most realistically progressive - yes even democratically socialist - political movement in the US, the Democratic party. The same obviously applies to the UK, where it's critical to support Labour's new realistic, non-antisemitic leadership against both the Tories, but more importantly antisemites like Jeremy Corbyn.

Right, comrades?

 No.681683

>Doesthe bidding for the democratic party and their euro counterparts for free
Have some selflove anon
Or GTFO

 No.681684

The reason why you are fucking wrong dipshit wrecker who everyone hates is simple. At this point the wiring is ripped out from the state apparatus so much that it LITERALLY isn't possible to do anything that you propose. Even if "pushing da DNC left and making blessed Green New Deal" sounds more sane and plausable than, I don't know, BURNING IT ALL THE FUCK DOWN STORMING THE CONGRESS AND MAKING BIDEN FLEE THE COUNTRY LIKE THE BRAVE PEOPLE OF KAZAKHSTAN JUST FUCKING DID TO THEIR GOVERNMENT, but in truth the later option is both more likely, more helpful and makes you more sane as a human being than being some dipshit DNC stan who "must chooze da leser ebul", even while Biden completely scrapps all his infrastructure budget plans and your country edges ever closer to infrastructural collapse.

 No.681686

>>681684
Name

 No.681690

>>681682
NOOOOOOO
THEY ALREADY THINK THAT
THINK ABOUT THE COUNTERBALANCE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY MEANS
WE CAN'T LOSE A VALUABLE PART OF OUR DEMOKKKRACY
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/04/trump-republican-party-democracy

 No.681693

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>>681672
>anti imperialism / anti war is dogma
>supporting regime change is realistic
>political leaders the imperial bourgeoisie doesn't' like are dictators
>the proletariat likes to send their children to die for profit-wars

propaganda drumbeat

 No.681705

>>681672
kochinski sucks

 No.681711

>>681693
>>anti imperialism / anti war is dogma
If most people think your definition of Imperialism is retarded, then yes, it makes no sense to keep going with it.
>>supporting regime change is realistic
>>political leaders the imperial bourgeoisie doesn't' like are dictators
>communism is when you defend Assad and Putin
>when people rise up against dictators it's "LE CIA"
>>the proletariat likes to send their children to die for profit-wars
The west is using professional armies and mercs online.

 No.681712

>>681711
>online
*only

 No.681722

>>681711
>couping governments for their resources, submission as well as total economic domination in only benefit of the the imperial power that did it are too hard to understand
Agent Kochinskiuyghoids are not sapient.

 No.681724

>>681722
>couping governments for their resources, submission as well as total economic domination
Give 1 Examble in the last 15 years

 No.681729

>>681724
Bolivia, Libya, Haiti, Brazil, Ukraine

 No.681731

>We should stop with the insane dogmatic shit and adopt more realistic goals and policies that actually improve material conditions
Meaningless sentence that doesnt propose anything new, and only decries a strawman. Nobody is persuing a "policy of defeind third world dictators" you fucking retard. Stop watching Agent Kochinski and get into the real world.

 No.681735

Actually, everyone should back the Republicans, because they at least can accept some level of populism in their ranks and also probably never would expect Marxists to do entryism and hijack the organization. Democrats also don't have as many weapons. Furthermore, the neoconfederate cause is better poised under, ironically, the GOP's cover.

 No.681739

>>681729
>Bolivia
Nothing to do with imperialism, just Evo bending/breaking laws, the "coupers" did a election and gave power up. So no idea what you even believe happened
>Libya
Shithole dictator got killed by his own people
>Haiti
Seems like literally the opposite, unless you mean something else, elaborate
>Brazil
No idea what you mean in the last 15 years
>Ukraine
Are you denying that ukrainians wanted to join the EU? People have agency.

 No.681740

>>681735
>populism
>back the republicans
>probably never would expect Marxists to do entryism and hijack the organization.
retard, the only thing people shold support happening to liberal parties is them being bombarded with White Phosphorus

 No.681741

>>681711
>The west is using professional armies and mercs online.
>The armies of western powers arent made up of working class people, with foot soldiers at the highest risk often from poor background.

 No.681748

>>681741
The US military forces and PMC-fighters are effectively a warrior class tho, they are seperate from the workers.

 No.681767

>>681739
>Nothing to do with imperialism, just Evo bending/breaking laws, the "coupers" did a election and gave power up. So no idea what you even believe happened
openly ignores how the dictator that got in power oppenly got support by the US, tried to pull IMF loans to destroy the bolivian state as well as receiving weapon hidden as human aid by the US
>Shithole dictator got killed by his own people
said "people" was terrorists that reinstated slavery on the country, as well as being "moderate rebels" trained by the US just like al-qaeda
>Seems like literally the opposite, unless you mean something else, elaborate
the man that killed the haitian president last year where trained by the US anti trafic police, these same group where to go to bolivia to kill Luis arce, the current bolivian President
>No idea what you mean in the last 15 years
Operation Carwash, wish helped elect the most US like president brazil ever had, Bolsonaro, had members of the FBI working on it, moro openly enjoyed assistance of the US gov and when shit got hard for this terrorist he fled to the US like every US sponsored terrorist and criminal in the world.
>Are you denying that ukrainians wanted to join the EU? People have agency.
joining the EU is the same as the US putting an neonazi puppet government in power to wage proxi a war with russia is the same thing for you ?
you know, this shit makes me happy for trumpists and /pol/, they do the same shit but they don't pretend to be leftists.

 No.681772

>>681672
I feel like this is a false flag because no actual socialist (even a reformist one) would hold up Agent Kochinski as an example of anything

 No.681790

>>681767
>openly ignores how the dictator that got in power oppenly got support by the US, tried to pull IMF loans to destroy the bolivian state as well as receiving weapon hidden as human aid by the US
So? Where is proof that outside forces were doing anything? Does China supporting the Taliban mean that they threw afghanistan back to medieval times?
>said "people" was terrorists that reinstated slavery on the country, as well as being "moderate rebels" trained by the US just like al-qaeda
It were tribes that rebelled against Gaddafis tribe and allied tribes. The Corruption didn't help either. And al-quida wasn't trained by the US.
>the man that killed the haitian president last year
Why would the US even assasinate him? It makes no sense, they literally tried to save him by flying him to the US for treatment.
>operation carwash
So brazillian police outing a corrupt regime as corrupt is bad? What has this even to do with imperialism?
>US putting an neonazi puppet government in power
The US had nothing to dowith it, it is a natural reaction to being under a corrupt russian puppet dictator for 2 decades.

 No.681793

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>>681772
Agent Kochinski is the most popular "leftist" figure in the entire west. Self proclaimed socialists/communists hold up Agent Kochinski all the time.

 No.681821

>>681672
https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revolution/index.htm

just read it, liberal

 No.681829

>>681739
Not even the pretense of not glowing.

 No.681831

>>681793
so you see how anglos are incapable of self criticims and accept what they do so they follow some woke neocon that dindus everything the US does.

 No.681832

>"Dogmatic"
Funny, that's exactly what Marxist-Leninists were called by the Khrushchevoids.

 No.681836

https://youtu.be/oQ_Qs96gFYM

 No.681845

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>>681739
>>681790
Kek, those posts are just mirrors of the mind of a "democrat"
Great b8it, but to prevent someone to fall into that snake talk let's put just a tip of response.
>Bolivia
>Foreign backers
https://theintercept.com/2021/06/17/bolivia-coup-plot-mercenaries/
>Lybia
https://archive.is/DUE76
>Haiti
>Use of US trained troops by US based merc companies doesn't make the US responsable
>Use of US boots to overthrow Aristide is not imperialism
>Ukraine
>It is a natural reaction to put a neonazi puppet goverment when you overthrow a corrupt one

 No.681860

>>681845
Try answering this question:

At one point does an anti-american regime become corrupt, tyrannical and impoverishing enough that you wouldn't label a revolution by the people against it as "muh CIA"?

 No.681865

>>681860
when it does not involve US backed or US brainwashed forces like the moderate rebels (ISIS) at Syria.

 No.681872

>>681865
>moderate rebels (ISIS)
ISIS was formed from 2 orgs, the insurrection remnants in iraq and an al-quida splinter group in syria, neither was ever supported by the US

 No.681878

>>681860
Only dengists do any of theese things

 No.681879

>>681872
>neither was ever supported by the US
that is false tough
https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-support-isis/245868/

 No.681880

>>681860
Also, Kazakhstan

 No.681881

>>681860
>Implying that this is how you determine whether an uprising has CIA backers
sage

 No.681883

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>>681672
>improve material conditions for the working class instead of defending Thirdworld-dictator#75 which alienates both the western working class and the people suffering under those regimes
But the ruling class has realized that improving living standards for the working class is a good way to bribe them not to revolt and delay revolution

 No.681885

>>681860
>tyrannical
Really? At this point "tyrannical" just means being against American interests.

>impoverishing
Yes, let's just ignore the fact that the US puts economic sanctions on many countries as a way to try to control them and to horde away needed resources.

 No.681889

>>681672
>Implying that principled communists don’t support economic struggle within those areas
Shut the fuck up, liberal.

 No.681891

What a cute couple, who do you think is the top? I'm putting my money on agent kochinski

 No.681893

Burgers should really be IP identified at this point. Arguing with a leftist is one thing, but arguing with an American who most likely already set their mind is a precious waste of time for the users of this site.

 No.681896

>>681885
I mean getting murdered or imprisoned for exposing corruption looks pretty tyrannical to me. Being a local russian journalist and not licking opigarch boots is pretty much a death sentence in russia.

 No.681898

>>681896
Literally no one here supports Russia

 No.681899

>>681896
>Implying US Allies aren’t like this, but the Americans just refuse to put them in the limelight
>Implying the US wasn’t the ultimate cause of these governments as well

 No.681900

>>681898
That's a lie, I saw the reactions in 2014.

 No.681902

>>681896
thats just the nature of governments. If you're looking for a state free of any wrong doing you'll just be disappointed

 No.681907

Good thread groid

 No.681908

>>681899
>whataboutism
>btw they have no agency and the US is the protagonist who choose the wrong route

 No.681910

Just repeat whatever talking points are on MSNBC. That seems to be what the left is about these days.

COVID hysteria…. Check
Praising faggotry and being a cucked numale…. Check
Orange Man bad…. Check
CIA good…. Check

More or less, the left are feds

 No.681911

>>681902
If they are worse than the west, why support them "critically" at all then?

 No.681912

>>681910
Get back in your containment thread burger

 No.681916

>>681911
what makes them worse then the west

 No.681919

>>681910
not repeatings msnbc?hating on dems and liberals??
MUST be pol

 No.681923

>>681916
The USA atleast keeps would-be conquerors and real imperialists like Putin at bay. Nations like china don't even pretend to care about human rights.

 No.681928

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>>681923
>He thinks the US cares about the welfare of other countries

 No.681930

>>681908
>I’m a historical illiterate who doesn’t geopolitics
Wew

 No.681931

>>681908
>can't show the hipocrisy or else you are doing a heckin whataboutism
>>681911
nothing in the world is worse that the west, infact everything that is bad in this earth started in the west, al qaeda ?, funded by the US, ISIS ? funded by Saudis, with support of the US, dictatorships ? every single right wing, Hitler loving got backed by the US in the 20th and 21th century, 73% of dictatorships on today's world are backed by the US, heck if the US did not exist Hitler would have ideas for nazi germany because the holocaust was based in what they did with the Indians and even the Gaz used against the jews came from something the US did in the Bath riots in 1917, there is a reason the US is called the greater satan and every country, with even the global propaganda against china, considers the US the enemy number one.

 No.681934

>>681928
They obviously do tho. They invested trillions into afghanistan without any expectations of a return.

 No.681935

>>681923
That's cute, the US doesn't care about Human Rights because they have American Expentionalism. Was murdering Iraqis under false pretense keeping conquerors at bay nah. It was a attempt to control the oil fields.

Hell just look at the human rights violations they do on their own citizens, what the fuck makes you think they care about other countries.

 No.681937

>>681934
>Without any expectation in return
Except for mineral resources, and I’m not talking about oil. Not to mention enriching “defense” firms and military contractors

 No.681939

>>681935
You stupid uyghurs have no idea what the iraq invasion was about. The US was hyper aggressive at the time and Sadam had no chance to disprove the WMD accusations without letting inspectors searching every corner because he lost all trust in the first golf war, he probably would have if he knew how paranoid the post 9/11 USA was.

 No.681941

>>681937
Those were discovered a decade later and there were never any large scale tries to extract it.

 No.681942

>>681939
>Thinking that even the US didn’t know the WMD charge was fabricated

 No.681943

>>681942
>le conspiracy #23

 No.681947

>>681943
now you are just trolling or just lobotomised yourself into forgetting every evidence that the US state forged the WMD's

 No.681950

>>681947
No they didn't, give me 100% proof for it, no retarded speculations.

 No.681951

>>681941
This is false. There were many efforts to extract thise resources https://www.propublica.org/article/the-u.s.-spent-a-half-billion-on-mining-in-afghanistan-with-limited-progres

And the military contractors and defense companies?

 No.681952

>>681950
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/dec/08/45-minutes-wmd-taxi-driver

 No.681957

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>>681950

 No.681958

>>681952
You said "the US fabricated it" but your article says that bong inteligence gave the US bad information.

 No.681964

>>681951
Ohh, I thought you talked about US companies getting all the extraction rights. But it seems like you think just developing afghanistan is a return for the US, which means even you think they care about afghanistan.

>rest
Thats pure speculation on corruption. There is no real economic gain in military spending.

 No.681967

>>681964
>They aren’t developing it for Western Markets with the use of American business consultants
>Armaments and defense companies don’t make money off of USAF contracts
Kindly stop being willfully obtuse

 No.681973

>>681957
>Read this antivaxxer-schizoid's conspiracy fantasies!

 No.681980

>>681973
nice attempt to discredit this document with inrelevant shit to said document to dindu a genocide attempt by the US against another country based on lies.

 No.681982

>>681981
>How did wasting billions on weapons help the US economy?
government was able to pump money into the economy

 No.681984

>>681973
>simp for msnbc

 No.681985

>>681980
I mean he IS a antivaxxer, so he is obviously less attached to reality and truth but more to conspiracy, so why should I take anything he writes seriously?

 No.681986

>>681982
Why not pumb it into means of production that produce things instead of things that explode and destroy the effort you put into it?

 No.681987

>>681980
>genocide

 No.681990

>>681984
I am not even american, so I never watched or read anything from msnbc

 No.681991

>>681990
>Missing the point this hard
Sure you aren’t american

 No.681993

>>681973
>Can’t point to what in the document is false, proceeds to switch goalposts
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/06/lie-after-lie-what-colin-powell-knew-about-iraq-fifteen-years-ago-and-what-he-told-the-un/

 No.681997

>>681986
probably wouldn't help their reelection campaign as much

 No.682006

Everyone almost here is incorrect.

The Democrats and centrists are unpopular coastal elites who patronize minorities and detest large swathes of the country just because they didn't bend over for the globohomo tech capitalists and their plan for a Great Reset.

The Republicans, on the other side, might have a chance to take over the government this midterm election of this year, and their popular base has the balls to turn out en masse to push their agenda.

Therefore, to stop the Democratic Yankee vaccine fascism, the leftists should vote for the Republicans' slate of candidates.

And since the contradictions of the Democrats' organizations are less than that of the Republican organizations and their associated allied camps, it'd be more productive to work in the GOP and push them in more productive directions because their mass base is far more radical than their elites and knows to loudly lobby the demands against the reluctant GOP leadership.

The best chance for a Neo Confederacy are to plant the seeds of Dixie in the GOP that had ostensibly killed off the spirit of the South, so many years, before.

Accelerate.

 No.682009

>>682006
Accelerate into a wall man.

 No.682016

>>682006
i usually vote republican down ballot anyways

 No.682022

>>682006
Shay, I will vore you

 No.682050

>>681958
If an FBI agent reads this post where I say Hitler is still alive and has access to WMDs in Argentina, that is 'intelligence' that they can then pass on to their higher ups if they so choose. But is that really a reasonable thing to do? Why would you take the random claim of someone with no connection whatsoever to an actual hostile government unless they told you what you want to hear, which is good enough even if it's ludicrous to actually believe them?

 No.682388

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You glow harder than the sun.

Go shower in a pool of sulfuric acid, faggot.


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