/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

It's called workerism and yes it sucks, but too many people on here have never read anything so they adopt it

We don’t
Socialists advocate socialism is simply more resource efficient and productive than capitalism

>>682096
>don't understand communism
>project what the motivations of communists might be for their stated goals
Literally every reactionary does it.

>>682096
Same as the mud pies argument. They don't actually seek discourse on the merits of theory, but instead simply seek to keep those that might grant support from doing so.

>I've never met a Marxist who's pretended that proles can't be reactionary or just generally dumb as fuck
This place is full of them and what's worse is that they will uncritically adopt any position they believe le proles supposedly have as a majority.

sloganeering and populism

>>682101
My point is that reactionaries always keep whining about how communists supposedly adopt an idealized version of the proletariat yet are unwilling to work with them, when communists never whitewash the proletariat as an inherently benevolent, progressive and moral mass (and also do work with proles all the fucking time).

>>682112
What, you can't sniff out reactionaries wearing red among us?

>>682117
If anything I usually just see US conservatives valorize the working class (While being more effeminate and posh than NYC/LA libs)

>>682117
That's a good point. Reactionaries tend to say that. A principled communist is able to refute it though on the grounds that they reject workerism and its implications

>>682117
Reactionaries are creatures of pure projection. Their strawman adversaries are just themselves reflected in a mirror.

>>682120
>conservatives are more more effeminate and posh than NYC/LA libs
what

>>682096
It's a mix of noble savage mentality, workerism, and a vulgar understanding of Marxism.

I think it has its origins in Sorel

There is nothing wrong with veneration of the working class, it's a morale booster and good propaganda. So to answer your question, it came from working class propaganda and that lead to people believing that we moralize shit. But fucking morals are important to your everyday person, unless they're a misanthrope that wants to see every one die, but not everyone is like that. Things like family, loyalty, brotherhood, are important values to most people and so working class propaganda that pushed this as a quality befitting the working class is good for morale. Other than that anyone, even if they are right wing espouses garbage like morals don't matter should be looked at nihilist psychopaths that must be purged from society, call it "moral justice" if you will. If your morals are hostile to the majority of human beings then you should be purged. Anti-morality has no place for any movement, even right wing ones. The only anti-moralists are bourgeois capitalists sitting at the tippy top of society, and even they like to "market" their own "morality" to the masses. Morality is extremely important.

Pretending that Marx was concerned about morals and not class interest is beneficial because it paints him as an idealist and makes it easier to sell the "great in theory but toooo utopian" meme.

>>682096
The majority of people are very moralistic, and morality is a very natural lens for them to see everything through, so when they hear about someone doing something, they often just assume they are doing it for moralistic reasons.

>>682096
Workerism is a proper sentiment but it's just a sentiment, no one applies it to each and every individual personality of the working rabble.
>Of all the classes that stand face to face with the bourgeoisie today, the proletariat alone is a really revolutionary class.

>>682096
is there anything wrong with workerism? I look up to my parents

>>682096
We don't even think so.
Also why can proles be reactionary? Education, propaganda, and society.

>>682546
Engels said that when anyone asked Marx about ethics he laughed until he shit hiimself

>>682793
ethics and morals rather

>>682734
You don't know what workerism is (and neither does most of this thread tbf)

>>682793
Where did he say this? Anti Durhing is basically a massive dab on moralists but i don't remeber anything mentioning Marx personal life

>>682768
Literally Slave morality, no offence to your parents

It is the manichean logic of identity politics applies to class warfare.

Just look at how most users hysterically screech whenever the anti-work part of the left is brought up.

>>682768
Sometimes the working class of a country is too reactionary as in the case of Indonesia's. Education plays a role on shaping a person's mindset, and because the working class is in such position (where most of them can't afford high education due to economical circumstances) they will mostly end up such, especially when religious doctrines are extremely rife.

>>682832
How is it slave morality? Point which part of workerism is slave morality.

>>682840
Are you joking? All of it. Unless by workerism you mean the ultra left movment in italy.