junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-09 (Sun) 08:35:09 No. 682987
>>682984 >e-celen eceleb*, i.e. youtube, twitch, twitter, etc. clowns
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 08:40:04 No. 682992
Footnotes, which are in most editions of these books.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 08:43:18 No. 682995
>>682984 >>682984 >How is this best gotten around? Reductive comparisons to modern figures and movements more familiar? yep, when I was a theorylet I dove into WITBD and had to ask a comrade who the fuck people like the bernsteinests were and that worked fine for me.
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-09 (Sun) 08:46:01 No. 682999
>>682995 WITBD is specifically what got me thinking about this, it may be the epitome of it
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 08:47:24 No. 683000
>>682984 >This could sound silly, but when a friend of mine related all these random minor figures that Marx and Lenin sparred with to the modern e-celen, things made a lot more sense to me, or at least were more relatable. Sophistry and their practitioners have existed for a long time junko. You overthink it a bit too much imo, but yes your friend is kinda right in comparing them.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 08:55:27 No. 683005
>>682999 lmao yeah and the fact that the first chapter or so goes especially hard on it makes it quite a barrier. WITBD is pure lenin kino but I never recommend it to theorylets because they may feel too overwhelmed and give up altogether thinking that it's all going to be like that
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 08:57:29 No. 683007
>>682984 >This could sound silly, but when a friend of mine related all these random minor figures that Marx and Lenin sparred with to the modern e-celen, things made a lot more sense to me, or at least were more relatable. This is very silly. E celebs damaged your brain. Touch grass bro
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 09:00:28 No. 683009
Marx and Engels fought with abstract sophists at the end of the day, the names are just representations of the different kinds which you can still see today. It's like Plato's dialogues.
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-09 (Sun) 09:01:32 No. 683010
>>683007 Mainly in the sense that the printing press was the guerilla communications of yesterday, to an extent it still is but at least in part has now been superseded by the Internet. Now another similarity is how they're both full of ideologue personalities who gather a following. In this way it became possible to visualize a modern day Lenin unironically writing blogposts against large ecelebs, though the difference is that he would be doing so while pushing the party line of some particular irl group he is affiliated with I suppose, both now and then?
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 09:02:29 No. 683012
>>683010 printing presses are still guerilla communications
the internet can be shut down by nation states extremely easily
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 09:05:36 No. 683014
>>683012 >the ruling class controlls the means of communication So nothing has changed?
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 09:07:45 No. 683018
>>683014 The ruling class never controlled the communist papers.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 09:10:58 No. 683019
>>683018 They still were niche as fuck in illegality
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 09:33:34 No. 683045
>>683004 That's more because the socdems don't use any theory, they just constant reinvent the wheel of naiveté
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 09:40:35 No. 683053
>>683018 I mean the same can be true of using distributed networking for internet or doing pirate radio for the airwaves. It is impossible for the state to hold complete control over any medium of communication, it is more the efficacy of using said underground means.
Anonymous 2022-01-09 (Sun) 09:55:36 No. 683079
>>683053 Oh shit, stashing the stuff to have a radio network is an actual good idea.