Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 00:45:12 No. 684262
immigration is just a tool for controlled management of the labour market by capitalists
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 00:56:13 No. 684278
>>684257 Fewer legal barriers to traveling across countries in a socialist bloc, but also less immigration in general because economic issues that were previously answered with encouraging immigrant labor would be answered by domestic and international development.
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-10 (Mon) 01:04:05 No. 684292
A confederate, EU-like border system. You have to be a citizen of one of the communist countries in order to pass from one state to another, but you dont need a passport or anything
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 05:56:03 No. 684759
>>684257 We have no fucking idea, and it's useless to speculate. I like to think that you would be able to travel the world as you see fit, but who knows if that would actually be viable.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 20:52:23 No. 685633
>>684257 Non-existent borders.
Capitalism is the cause of all ethnic conflict, of "nationalism" (there's really no such thing as a "nation" outside of Porky's mind) and the various -isms and -phobias at the root of black reaction.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 21:08:38 No. 685657
Global hukou system, and poverty alleviation and development in situ. The end goal should be global development, while current migration patterns only encourage brain-drain and underdevelopment of emigrant nations.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 21:17:23 No. 685672
Borders eventually will disappear and the free movement of people will happen. But this is a long way off. Europe has basically already achieved a near borderless existence but the eventual result is that there will be no distinction between one state and the next except language and geography. Nations will still exist, but not states are we understand them. The best way I can explain the future is look at the US or Europe now expand that ease of movement between states to the entire world. Border security becomes toll stations so it becomes near indistinguishable one border to the next.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 21:36:43 No. 685698
>>685657 I agree with this, but with that said, I imagine concurrent decriminalization or at least less penalization of migrant labor as it currently exists, which seeks to marginalize this stratum of laborer.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 23:44:36 No. 685868
>>684257 >Assuming global socialism makes things more stable and lifts up poorer countries and ends imperialist exploitation so that there is no longer a huge difference between the global south and north, would immigration slow down? Yes. People immigrate to other countries for purely economic reasons. And it is definitely caused by capitalism. So with the gradual dismantling of capitalism one can argue that immigration rates can drop due to the fact that most people who were poor right now are going to fare much better.
>And what should the rules be? The latter (one world government). The world's governed directly from Moscow.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 23:45:07 No. 685871
>>684292 Based commie schengen you've got there
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 23:51:30 No. 685883
>>684257 Just make sure that immigrant groups don’t create ethnic enclaves. Those things are annoying.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 23:52:10 No. 685886
>>685883 based assimilationist
"le cultural genocide" is a meme
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 00:04:35 No. 685908
>>685886 It’s a meme because the immigrating culture is intact in their original country. Besides the point modern immigration only exist beyond wage disparities. It is dumb to assume that it will occur in a world without unequal development.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 16:04:29 No. 686852
>>685868 >Yes. People immigrate to other countries for purely economic reasons. And it is definitely caused by capitalism. So with the gradual dismantling of capitalism one can argue that immigration rates can drop due to the fact that most people who were poor right now are going to fare much better. Not necessarily because at the same time people would not be nailed down to saem place due to economic reasons and have much more economic freedom to move around. Migration will remain but it would not be directed along the vector from periphery to imperial core. In USSR people moved around, but it wasn't a strict direction from provices to capital (and 2-3 other big cities) like it is now. People migrated due to the fact that somewhere was an interesting job, climate they liked more, maybe a girl or a boy they wanted to get with etc. So it would probably look like this when we achieve global communism too.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 16:08:48 No. 686856
>would immigration slow down?
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 16:13:21 No. 686857
>>685883 It's gonna happen no matter what. Moving to a new country with a strange language and culture is obviously a stressful and unsettling experience, people are inevitably going to congregate with others who speak the same language as them, have the same customs, eat the same food, practice the same faith, etc. It's not necessarily a bad thing provided over time the entire community becomes integrated into society at large, which also happens inevitably as immigrants have children to which the culture of the host country is not alien.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 16:17:19 No. 686860
Material conditions need to be similar for open borders not to harm both nations.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 17:37:45 No. 686977
NO BORDERS
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 03:58:36 No. 687788
even with socialism in every country the young will move from their podunk towns to the fun big cities that have historically been beneficiaries of imperialism. there would need to be some safegaurds in place to prevent culture generation just coalescing in the major cities. im thinking the way new york, melbourne, auckland, shanghai, lagos and paris do for their countries/regions
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 04:00:55 No. 687796
>>687788 wont they just move back in middle age?
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 04:08:34 No. 687806
>>687788 >even with socialism in every country the young will move from their podunk towns to the fun big cities Actually not what happened in USSR. While some certainly did, a lot of yout moved from big cities into undevelopeed lands or provincial cities to build new cities there, help develop the land etc.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 04:12:58 No. 687810
We need to abolish all borders asap for the workers while preventing the bourgeois from traveling and migrating.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 04:18:17 No. 687816
>>686857 Ethnic enclaves are not just that, but are created with the intention to preserve their own ways without adopting or mutating to the host culture (and vice versa)
Someone clearly doesn’t live in a place that has been a site of effective and organic cultural assimilation that is being eroded by Westerners and their gentrification.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 04:18:50 No. 687818
>>686857 What else did your crystal ball say
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 11:32:03 No. 688163
>>684257 >>684257 There would be little incentive to immigrate anywhere
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 11:44:12 No. 688174
all open borders except the eternal a*glos should be forbidden
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