Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:12:52 No. 685127
>>685124 Yeah a lot of it is true but it is also over used and abused. This is done by people as a lazy method to not need to research difficult topics and have a simple answer at hand as to what is happening in an event
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:13:59 No. 685129
It shouldnt be that hard.>any rebellion against countries that call themselves communist, or ruling communist parties, is a color revolution <any rebellion to countries that dont call themselves communist or have a ruling communist party are okay
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:17:17 No. 685138
>>685122 it's just /pol/aks importing their conspiratorial thinking patterns
structurally analyzing things is hard because that means you actually have some kind of background knowledge about the topic at hand
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:20:19 No. 685142
>>685133 Lmao this is great
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:28:44 No. 685149
Thing is, a lot of it IS the CIA, and hand waving everything by saying "oh you're a skitzo/conspiracist/ etc" is much less accurate and more damaging most of the time.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:29:56 No. 685151
>>685133 Literally had a venezuelan gusano in the comments if you want to know the actual quality of the discourse.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:32:33 No. 685153
>>685149 I wouldn't hand wave anything away. I'd ask for proof
The problem with grayzone types is they find a funding group in a country and that's it end of discussion. You are a CIA shill if you disagree or you want usa to topple the government.
When you have events in other countries that you find leaders tied to groups in other countries backing them or them participating in organizations actively trying to cause destabilization you have evidence and a sold case for your claim. Which that is when these grayzone types do Good work when they piece puzzle together.
When they are dog shit is when the puzzle doesn't exist and they are trying to give you random pieces to make you agree with them
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:34:47 No. 685157
>>685153 Yeh for sure. I think part of the problem is twitter culture. I haven't seen anything by the Grayzone on Kazakhstan or anything yet. Just tweets, but obviously people look to his twitter account for takes, and to stay relevant he has to have takes, and immediately. The internet will also be very unforgiving if they are wrong, so likely hes gonna double down.
Also he's a snarky cunt
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:36:41 No. 685161
>>685157 Here is Ben Norton Twitter. Scroll thru. He's been covering this event from start as passionate defender of Kazakhstan government. Make of it what you will of his evidence
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenjaminNorton?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:45:51 No. 685168
>>685153 >When you have events in other countries that you find leaders tied to groups in other countries backing them or them participating in organizations actively trying to cause destabilization you have evidence and a sold case for your claim Even then, the mere presence of such groups doesn't really tell you the extent to which they are actually guiding the course of events or determining the character of the movement. Spontaneous protests are often very eclectic affairs, involving a range of different actors and interests, sometimes with contradictory goals. Even if some NED-funded glowing NGO is backing a movement this doesn't mean that the majority of people involved are listening to them or following their lead. But like some have already pointed out, grappling with reality's nuances and complexities is hard, vulgar cheerleading for one side or the other is easy.
Sage !61KGLATVW. 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:55:08 No. 685175
>>685161 Sorry that was a typo, I meant to say "i haven't seen anything lengthy all i've seen is tweets" yeh, he really hasn't given much solid evidence in the tweets but is happy to be posting emoji faces like a weird smug zoomer
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 13:59:10 No. 685178
>The problem with grayzone types is they find a funding group in a country and that's it end of discussion. You are a CIA shill if you disagree or you want usa to topple the government.
NameCom 2022-01-10 (Mon) 14:40:44 No. 685202
>>685122 >Is this a trend that is going to become stale and old over time Yeah
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 15:02:27 No. 685215
>>685122 >stating facts is a trend and will it always be
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 15:45:31 No. 685263
>>685178 Their criteria to be free of glow looks to be "don't accept funding from USA/NATO/billionaires/megacorporations , their associates, think-tanks or cutouts." which seems easy enough no?
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 15:46:57 No. 685266
Communists being paranoid and calling everything and everyone CIA is exactly what the CIA wants.
Somewhat relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoHPA0HzmjQ Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 15:47:51 No. 685269
>>685263 If you show up to the same protests as some glowie funded NGOs, does that make you and the entire protest movement glowies?
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 15:54:25 No. 685273
>>685269 I'll have to check with RT on that one, I'd guess no.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 16:09:56 No. 685287
>>685153 Yes, you are a CIA shill if you want the USA to topple any governments, I fully agree.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 16:36:20 No. 685310
>>685287 Looks like i should have used better punctuation. What i meant is if you don't accept the NED argument immediately the person jumps to calling you CIA shill and accuses of wanting the usa to take over government.
Not that it is what you want
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 16:41:17 No. 685319
But the CIA actually is to blame for a lot of shit.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 16:43:25 No. 685321
>>685122 It’s true and it’s often difficult to tell if something is a glowop or not
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 16:49:16 No. 685327
>>685124 The CIA doesn't actually directly infiltrate anymore. We saw some documents leaked or released idr of that the CIA instead of having plants are instead planting seeds in different groups to break lines of solidarity. Basically make something as simple as a disagreement in theory lead to hostility. They learned that the biggest enemy of the left is not outside forces but each other.
Wanna know a phrase that destroys the glowies and wreckers? "I disagree with you but that's okay" or another "let's agree to disagree". Whenever you see one leftist group dissociate entirely with another group you can bet (in the modern day) its a glowie opp.
This is why I personally don't dissociate with breadtube or anarchos or whoever. I can just as easily convince any breadtube watcher that people like Agent Kochinski are wreckers just as much as Maupin and Haz are while giving them a broader view that isn't restricted by this or that sect.
I'm anti-sectarian to a T. I disagree with many leftists on different point issues but I won't break solidarity with the crowd. Which I remind you isn't about curtailing to any one community but rather drawing clear lines that they can understand.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 17:11:55 No. 685342
>>685327 >Wanna know a phrase that destroys the glowies and wreckers? "I disagree with you but that's okay" or another "let's agree to disagree" This.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 17:18:07 No. 685353
CIA is powerful and has networks going back to 1945 across the globe, but it isn't omnipotent.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 17:31:34 No. 685376
>>685122 CIA is basically leftist equivalent of Jooz.
The paranoia completely paralyzes any group.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 17:42:01 No. 685390
>>685327 >Wanna know a phrase that destroys the glowies and wreckers? "I disagree with you but that's okay" or another "let's agree to disagree". /leftypol/ needs to hear this sometimes holy shit.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 18:20:24 No. 685432
>>685327 OK, but breadtube does glow tho.
Maybe not the people watching, but I’m staying away from that cancer.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 18:24:42 No. 685436
>nooooo there are real clandestine popular revolts against the dictators in the third world! It's just improbable that USA wants to coup the whole world!!1
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 18:27:10 No. 685441
>Quit blaming the CIA FOR EVERYTHING! <cites 0 specific examples
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 18:28:20 No. 685443
/pol/ ""converts"" still need their eternal jew figure to pin the blame on things, hence this CIA boogeyman
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-10 (Mon) 18:38:58 No. 685460
>>685263 I'm reminded:
>We live in brutal Capitalism, and instead of paying for it, we should brutally use it. The problem isn't some idiot in power giving you money. Take the money! Take the money! But take it without moralistic feelings of guilt. >The next day, kill him, and if he says "But I gave you money," tell him, "You idiot, why did you give me the money?" Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 18:43:59 No. 685466
>>685432 >OK, but breadtube does glow tho. The running hypothesis has been that the CIA(or similar) just uses a Pavlovian reward based behavior conditioning strategy on breadtubers. They pose as donors and when ever a bread-tuber says something they want them to say they make small contributions. It has never been confirmed though.
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 23:11:16 No. 685795
>>685794 political compass memes
do yourself a favour and dont go there
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 23:30:13 No. 685836
hes right, the NSA and other orginzations are out there too
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 23:35:12 No. 685843
>>685823 So the Kazakh protests are blatant glowops??? or is it according to him
Anonymous 2022-01-10 (Mon) 23:38:44 No. 685852
>>685138 >it's just /pol/aks importing their conspiratorial thinking patterns but why Hong Kong and Cuba
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-10 (Mon) 23:51:55 No. 685885
>>685823 >>685843 He was straight-up lying in that tweet, see:
>>>/leftypol_archive/491544 Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 00:00:39 No. 685900
>>685852 Majority of /pol/ "converts" switch sides once they they stop being into nazi aesthetics - because they are into soviet aesthetics now.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:23:32 No. 686047
>>685138 this image is even more amusing when you realize the op is doing the same thing as the nuts that blame everything on jews, aliens, etc.
blame patriarchy or capitalism. 1 thing is the cause of all the worlds problems, nuance is cring
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:32:11 No. 686063
>>685122 >Blaming the CIA for everything that happens anywhere You're right 95% of the time though
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 02:07:52 No. 686153
>>686135 The Jews aren’t a monolith.
The glowies are
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 02:13:37 No. 686165
I will blame the glowies for everything until proven otherwise.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 02:34:26 No. 686209
>>686063 The CIA fucked my wife
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 02:35:02 No. 686211
>>686204 Hahaha
Nice try, glow guy.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 02:38:55 No. 686222
>>686047 >blame patriarchy or capitalism. 1 thing is the cause of all the worlds problems, nuance is cring "Nuance" is a word in the mouth of every pseudo-intellectual cretin. The problem with "Jews" and "aliens" is that both require intentional coordination and collective agency (and actual existence in the case of aliens) to realize a goal. Capitalism doesn't require that. Not even most imaginings of patriarchy require that. Both of these are systems, not collective agents.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 02:40:45 No. 686225
>>686135 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>>686204 Nice try faggot
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 02:50:15 No. 686245
>>686047 >1 thing is the cause of all the worlds problems, nuance is cring One could also say that if one wishes to understand anything one must also simplify and reduce things to their essentials. We couldn't even start to understand any complex system if it always had to be done all at once, because everything is connected everything we would suffer information overload and would get nowhere.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 03:06:38 No. 686268
Hello, Agent Carl Ian Anderson here. I'm an actual CIA, ask me anything.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 03:08:41 No. 686271
>>686268 What is your favorite 4chan board
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 03:16:59 No. 686282
>>686268 Why did you make Chris Chan fuck his mom?
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 03:46:59 No. 686310
>>685129 >The kazakhstan situation was a color revolution by CSTO and NATO Nah, bruh. That shit's been brewing for a while. It may have actually averted war in Ukraine, though.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 03:58:20 No. 686317
>>685327 >The CIA doesn't actually directly infiltrate anymore t. CIA
Now, here, seriously, the CIA has a budget fairly greater than many countries around the world, sum that the pentagon, the NSA, and FBI, and you literally have a country of around 9 million people living good (or 50 million people living meh) dedicated for the sole purpose of destabilizing the world for the sakes of the U.S. benefit.
>>685327 >uses tags to identify some bad people >puts kochinsky to the level of Maupin >totally he's not wrecking Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 04:02:15 No. 686319
Are right wingers defending the CIA now?
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 04:03:22 No. 686321
>>685376 >CIA is basically leftist equivalent of Jooz. lol no it isn't. the CIA is a real thing proven to have infiltrated, killed, and harmed leftists/leftism. the jewish conspiracy isn't a real thing.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 04:10:21 No. 686325
>>685885 and I did mention by the time that the CIA/FEDs use that strategy to warn their pawns. Ask yourself why no other in the world issue alerts like that. Ask yourself why they didn't issue warnings on Chile, Colombia, etc.
CIA agents use encrypted messaging through safe spots, but their payroll agents, away from their encrypted system, use those warnings to get things done, to get the command when to act.
It's not about "muh citizen trapped in the protest" like if they care and they can't hide that stuff from public media. In Venezuela we still have U.S. mercenaries, born American, where are the media screeching for their safety? 0 mentions of them because they give 0 fucks
worth to read payrolled agent that lurks l/pol/, your agency doesn't give a shit about your life . The real target of those warnings is exactly that, to get their pawns in action.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 04:13:53 No. 686329
>>686271 4chan is just where I honeypot the users because it's so easy there so I don't have any one single favorite.
>>686282 As a Boomer, is the term "for the lulz" still relevant?
>>686298 I like maps, don't you like maps?
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 04:15:39 No. 686331
>>686317 >>puts kochinsky to the level of Maupin Yes.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 04:23:16 No. 686337
>>686331 totally, 100%, literally,
not wrecking aw lawl.
Maupin not only is the opposite of kochinsky who has managed to say that Mao would vote for Biden and seriously discourages reading tacitly with all his shit mindset; Maupin has also amassed the anger of con artists all across the breatube community for exposing them for what they are.
Also, all the reads he do during his works are based, like critique of gotha programme, state, and the revolution, german ideolog, etc.
You are comparing the sun with the moon.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 04:42:49 No. 686350
>>685122 The CIA is responsible for a lot of propaganda and increasing animosity to any institution that could upset the influence of the USA as a hegemony. They will knowingly lie, obfuscate, sabotage and take advantage of any criticism lobbed at other governments and proceed to exaggerate it or knowingly lie.
On the other hand, that is not to say that people who are also anti-america can't knowingly lie to justify their own power grabs or increase their own hegemony through similar tactics. Russia does this, China does this.
In otherwords, if it's from the western media, I'd say disregard it, if it's from anti-western media take everything they say with a MASSIVE grain of salt.
We don't live in a world where content is all censored, but instead CONTEXT around events is created. I'm distrusting of what something from the global times has to say, and even RT but I sure as fuck am not going to be trusting of the CNN or Radio Free Asia.
Learning the truth of the matter involves a lot of cross examination- something that isn't encouraged by todays click-bait journalism that's more often than not used as a proxy of propaganda.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:07:18 No. 686364
>>686325 Also, this is why they cry every time when local governent shuts down the internet - it murders their pawns' ability to communicate both with pawnmasters and between each other. CIA is yet to think up a way to work around this blatant tactic, lol
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:18:02 No. 686373
>>686364 They aren't happy mainly because they use internet for mass intelligence gathering. For their actual operations they have a number of other channels and redundancies in case they can't use internet encrypted coms. Spooks aren't total retards.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:25:24 No. 686383
>>685127 >>685122 >Truth is no longer true, because I'm tired of hearing it Post-modernism and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:33:22 No. 686389
>>686383 Well you know on the other hand "crying wolf" and its consequences are a known phenomena since like 2500 years
junko !!9cfznBf./Q 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:37:26 No. 686392
>>686325 >and I did mention by the time that the CIA/FEDs use that strategy to warn their pawns. Ask yourself why no other in the world issue alerts like that. Ask yourself why they didn't issue warnings on Chile, Colombia, etc. Turkey, April 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/471206/turkey-us-embassy-issues-warning-for-demonstrations-nationwide-as-of-april-25-us-diplomatic-offices-to-be-closed-april-26-27 Haiti, May 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/479951/haiti-protests-may-occur-in-port-au-prince-may-18 Mali, September 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/525176/mali-activists-plan-to-protest-in-bamako-sept-17 Guinea, February 2020:
https://www.garda.com/fr/crisis24/alertes-de-securite/318061/guinea-us-embassy-issues-nation-wide-protest-alert-february-27-update-9 Cyprus, July 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/505641/cyprus-us-embassy-warns-of-protests-in-nicosia-july-24-25 Slovakia, May 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/484756/slovakia-us-embassy-issues-demonstration-alert-for-central-bratislava-may-29 Malawi, July 2019:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/246131/malawi-possible-nationwide-protests-july-8-update-11 Guatemala, June 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/493596/guatemala-us-embassy-warns-that-retired-soldiers-may-protest-in-guatemala-city-through-june-23 Russia, July 2020:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/355766/russia-us-embassy-moscow-issues-alert-for-potential-nationwide-political-protests-on-july-1 Bosnia, October 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/530811/bosnia-herzegovina-us-embassy-warns-of-protest-planned-for-banja-luka-oct-2 Peru, July 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/504396/peru-strike-underway-in-cusco-region-as-of-early-july-21 Nicaragua, April 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/468456/nicaragua-protests-commemorating-2018-civil-unrest-possible-in-managua-and-nationwide-april-17-19 Argentina, December 2017:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/82191/argentina-anti-wto-protests-continue-in-buenos-aires-dec-13-update-3 Albania, December 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/557821/albania-protest-in-tirana-dec-18 Venezuela, September 2017:
https://www.garda.com/fr/crisis24/alertes-de-securite/73181/venezuela-us-embassy-restricts-movement-in-caracas-sep-25 Romania, August 2020:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/367671/romania-anti-government-protests-scheduled-to-be-held-in-bucharest-august-10 Haiti, September 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/521951/haiti-us-embassy-in-haiti-warns-of-protests-in-port-au-prince-sept-8 Czechia, June 2020:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/350326/czech-republic-protesters-to-gather-in-prague-june-13 Sudan, November 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/542121/sudan-activists-call-for-additional-protests-nov-7-8-following-nightly-protests-in-khartoum-nov-4-5-update-1 France, June 2020:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/348381/france-police-ban-planned-protests-at-us-embassy-in-paris-on-june-6-update-2 Chad, April 2021:
https://crisis24.garda.com/insights-intelligence/intelligence/risk-alerts/wip1001280771/chad-foreign-governments-issue-multiple-warnings-in-response-to-rebel-movements-in-the-north-of-the-country-as-of-april-18 Cyprus, July 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/502166/cyprus-protests-likely-july-15-20-to-denounce-visit-of-turkish-president Switzerland, June 2020:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/348526/switzerland-demonstrations-planned-in-geneva-on-june-8-9 Djibouti, February 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/445296/djibouti-us-embassy-issues-warning-over-possible-protests-in-djibouti-city-feb-19 Ethiopia, May 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/481251/ethiopia-activists-plan-demonstrations-at-several-foreign-diplomatic-missions-in-addis-ababa-may-21 South Africa, March 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/456241/south-africa-trade-union-members-plan-protest-outside-us-consulate-general-johannesburg-march-18 France, December 2021:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/552611/france-rival-activists-to-hold-multiple-demonstrations-in-paris-dec-5 Haiti, December 2019:
https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/300886/haiti-nationwide-anti-government-protests-possible-starting-january-1 Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 06:01:23 No. 686412
>maupinites stay seething cuz they're just as pathetic as Agent Kochinskiites
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 06:16:07 No. 686418
>>686415 This is not what evidence means.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 16:38:13 No. 686883
>>686392 >>686401 Ok, I was wrong up to some point, in Colombia and Chile, but FFS, only 15 warnings in a period of like 1 month? when the protests, even violent ones, persisted through 2 years? Same with Colombia with months of high levels of violence, and only some warnings.
And who knows if they deployed some agents on the field during those callings.
Either way, most of the countries you are citing are targets of CIA operatives, even Turkey (now that you are funny, use lenme google that for you check between 31/12/2015 - 31/12/2016 travel issue alerts to Turkey during the coups days, you'd see none, because they were besties by the time)
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 16:55:44 No. 686918
>>686883 Do you verify anything before you say it or you just trust than Ben Norton gave you the truth lol?
These are travel and security warnings from that exact time frame I'll keep adding more to this post from time frame you asked
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 16:56:42 No. 686921
>>686918 Ah, then google hides that information, then. Why? Don't know. I did the search.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 17:04:08 No. 686937
>>686921 Noone is hiding anything from you. Go to embassy website and it is searchable by month and year
Here is another 4 from time frame you asked. I've give you 11 screenshots that you said did not exist because you get lied to by people like Ben norton
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 17:26:33 No. 686966
>>686954 >He's just straight up lying To be fair he may be delusional.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 18:07:31 No. 687019
>>686921 Which I can theorize that the fact that Google hides that information is because that information is not used by the common public.
>>686918 >>686932 Listen, if you want to believe the CIA doesn't do public announcements to get their activities moving on, you haven't watched Phil Agee explaining how secrecy led to waste millions to un-avoiding the communists arriving at power in Bulgary in the 80s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAhIrpCmpY Complete interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abmu2Y3dqbw Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 18:13:22 No. 687029
>>686415 >>686918 >>686932 >>686954 >>687019 Nta but have people challenged him on twitter about this yet?
I remember he had to make a retraction about some snafu not that long ago as well.
It’s seems like a trend with him.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 18:45:24 No. 687068
>>685133 What fucking kind of a blog is this? Almost every post is about how Russia is literally the devil and NATO is innocent.
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