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 No.685146[View All]

Castro had two rollexes stolen from Cuban bourgeois, including one in the Moscow time zone. It's so much based that i can't breath. A french rapper has made a song about it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_p0lGe5pJs all the album is fire tho, it's "la Fève ERRR"
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 No.685388

>>685369
>That wasn’t the argument you were making, but I can’t be assed to teach you when you

That is one of the arguments I was making.

>but I can’t be assed to teach you when you think communism is based on morals rather than logic to begin with

I actually don't think that, I just don't like when people try to use the fact that communism isn't a moralistic ideology to discourage actually moral activity. Communism is purely "economic".
I wanted to draw them out so they could properly explain why it isn't moralistic, but rather economic.
I also wanted to explain that while it is not a moralistic ideology, doing things that are typically "universally" immoral don't exactly help progress communism.

 No.685404

>>685388
Uh-huh, you were just pretending to be a retard

 No.685409

>>685404
>>685404
>Uh-huh, you were just pretending to be a retard
That's not retarded, that's being slightly misinformed. However, saying belongings are not property is very retarded.

 No.685413

>>685388
You can't cope from the fact that Fidel castro is a wholesome and based revolutionary pirate who flex with two rollex stolen from bourgeoisie.

 No.685415

>>685413
>that Fidel castro is a wholesome and based revolutionary

Fidel Castro was a bourgeoisie revisionist who who's biggest accomplishment was a full circle revolution.

 No.685420

>>685409
I explained why property and belongings are different, you actually can’t explain why I’m wrong and just keep insisting that it’s all property so you can make your point that despite all that Che and Castro liberated for the Cuban people, ackshually they’ve harmed the communist movement by acting immorally according to ‘universal’ morals by daring to keep even a single watch that was taken from some bourgeois slave owner, I mean fuck the farm right? Rolexes are the real shit, how dare they presume to keep the watch for themselves and only give the farm to the workers.. oh but of course if you just happened across a Rolex on the floor then finders keepers because whatever, it’s all just property right? You must realise how nonsensical you sound?

 No.685421

>>685415
bait again no fun to much first degreee

 No.685425

>>685415
After more and more i can see that you know nothing about the anti-imperialist struggle, the bureaucratic character of Cuba does not prevent this state from being at the forefront of the decolonial struggles in Africa whose actions were decisive in the fall of apartheid in South Africa. If theoretical purity interests you more than the real emancipation of humanity then fuck you.

 No.685428

>>685415
You are as stupid as the blissful apologists of Stalinism and the international bureaucracy, you see things in white and black.

 No.685433

>>685152
Castro was not really that different to Khrushchev in the Cuban model of socialism.

 No.685445

>>685433
Does khrushchev have two rollex and a cigar at a meeting ? no. The fundamental nature of their socialism is different.

 No.685451

>>685445
>communism is when no luxury
Christ people have really internalised capitalist projections of communism being some kind of primitivism cult

 No.685453

>>685451
it was a joke

 No.685454

>>685420
>I explained why property and belongings are different

You really didn't.

>you actually can’t explain why I’m wrong and just keep insisting that it’s all property

Possessions and property are the same thing. Both these words have the same meaning you fucking retard.
Do you need a fucking dictionary or something retard?

>ackshually they’ve harmed the communist movement by acting immorally according to ‘universal’ morals

I did not say anything about that being "universal morals" retard. If you had been paying attention, you'd know I used the words "universal morals" for the other argument, not this one.

>I mean fuck the farm right?
No one here said "fuck the farm". Now you are just arguing purely in bad faith.

>how dare they presume to keep the watch for themselves and only give the farm to the workers..
Give the watch to the workers too you fucker.

>but of course if you just happened across a Rolex on the floor then finders keepers because whatever
, it’s all just property right? You must realise how nonsensical you sound?

What a little cowardly bitch you are. I have already stated here that unless you can trace the origin of said watch found on the ground or if someone else can properly identify it, it's yours because no one else can legitimately claim it.

But for individuals like Castro or any other revolutionary leader, they already know what where that watch came from, the bourgeoisie. It is not theirs to take, it is for the people and the revolution to take.

>>685425
>After more and more i can see that you know nothing about the anti-imperialist struggle

Sure buddy, whatever you say.

>the bureaucratic character of Cuba does not prevent this state from being at the forefront of the decolonial struggles in Africa whose actions were decisive in the fall of apartheid in South Africa.

What are you even going on about here retard.

>If theoretical purity interests you more than the real emancipation of humanity then fuck you.

This argument would only work if going off the books actually does progress the real emancipation of humanity. It does not. It only creates revisionist bastards and regression.

I have yet to see anyone make actual good progress from going off theory.

>>685426
>We can think about history not white and black always you know.

Oh look, the projector is projecting.
>>685428
>You are as stupid as the blissful apologists of Stalinism and the international bureaucracy, you see things in white and black.

Oh yes, I'm the guy who goes " this nation good, this nation".

>>685451
Yes, yes they have.

 No.685457

>>685146
Did he ever say whose Rolex it was?

 No.685458

>>685454
>the people
I would've thought a leftcoom would know better than to talk about the "people" and not the proletariat.

 No.685462

>>685458
He is a new confused leftist or at worst a neo-kantian moralist who ignores himself. He is not at all a leftcommunist, he preached to us that communism was a moral project.

 No.685468

>>685458
>I would've thought a leftcoom would know
>Lenin hat

You wouldn't know anything Lenin hat.

>>685462
>he preached to us that communism was a moral project.

I'm really sorry you can't read. It must be very unfortunate to be illiterate.

 No.685470

>moralist shitting up another decent thread
I warned you all about morals, bruh.
I told you, dog

 No.685473

>>685470
>>685470
This guy barbeques dogs.

 No.685475

>>685468
Don't make us believe it is obvious that you don't know anything about materialist theory. Earlier you even laughed at the fact that there could exist "progressive capitalists" while Marx speaks explicitly of the progressive role of the bourgeoisie.

 No.685478

>>685454
I’m not making another reply to you after this one because I’m not going round and round in circles explaining the Marxist definition of property only for you to repeat “erm ackshually they mean the same thing outside of Marxist discussion” again. You’ve made a huge deal out of Castro wearing a watch because you still fundamentally believe it’s a stolen belonging, and in your mind that immoral act can only be reconciled by having it be donated to a museum or somehow shared with others because communism is supposed to be about 100% equality. That’s the only reason why there is that distinction for you about “finding” a watch, if it’s found then therefore it’s not stolen and you don’t need to share it. I mentioned the farm because as property, in the Marxist definition, it’s worth so much more than a watch and there was never any doubt who the farms of Cuba would belong to, so get the fuck over it already.

In all honesty you sound like an ancap rather than a communist.

 No.685479

>>685468
so assume your incompetence on the subject. It's ok to not know or even in opposition. But but to make believe that you are a leftcom while you neither know anything in marxism is stupid

 No.685488

>>685475
>Don't make us believe it is obvious that you don't know anything about materialist theory. Earlier you even laughed at the fact that there could exist "progressive capitalists" while Marx speaks explicitly of the progressive role of the bourgeoisie.

I already know of class traitors retard. I was fucking with you.

>>685478
>You’ve made a huge deal out of Castro wearing a watch because you still fundamentally believe it’s a stolen belonging

It is a stolen belonging though.

>your mind that immoral act can only be reconciled by having it be donated to a museum or somehow shared with others

Yes. Why do you have such a problem with this?

>That’s the only reason why there is that distinction for you about “finding” a watch, if it’s found then therefore it’s not stolen and you don’t need to share it

I mean, if you really want to, you can put it in lost and found. But if such a thing is not accessible, nor is the watch traceable or track by someone else, you can claim it yourself.

>there was never any doubt who the farms of Cuba would belong to
The proletariat. The people.
>so get the fuck over it already.
How about you get the fuck over it.
>I mentioned the farm because as property, in the Marxist definition, it’s worth so much more than a watch

No shit

>>685479
>so assume your incompetence on the subject. It's ok to not know or even in opposition. But but to make believe that you are a leftcom while you neither know anything in marxism is stupid

Okay illiterate fakecom, whatever you say.
>>685483
I don't believe you.

 No.685489

>>685473
But I love dogs, friend.

 No.685492

>>685489
I don't believe you

 No.685495

>>685488
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property
>In political/economic theory, notably socialist, Marxist, and most anarchist philosophies, the distinction between private and personal property is extremely important. Which items of property constitute which is open to debate. In some economic systems, such as capitalism, private and personal property are considered to be exactly equivalent.

 No.685496

>>685468
What wouldn't I know kid?

 No.685497

>>685488
> In Marxist theory, the term private property typically refers to capital or the means of production, while personal property refers to consumer and non-capital goods and services.

 No.685499

>>685488
Habeeb it

 No.685500

>>685488
Putain mais ton ignorance crasse tu l'étale une fois de plus.

 No.685505

>>685181
>>685192
what the fuck does this have to do with moralism you triple uyghurs?
stop trying to appropriate egoist critiques of marxism when you can't even get the terminology right

 No.685507

>>685496
Anything
>>685495
>>685497
> In Marxist theory, the term private property typically refers to capital or the means of production, while personal property refers to consumer and non-capital goods and services.

Oh look, it's exactly what I've stated and been stating.

>>685499
Habeeb

 No.685515

>>685415
<Fidel Castro was a bourgeoisie revisionist
<bourgeoisie revisionist
Ostie d'Anglo minable,

 No.685522

>>685515
Your french

 No.685530

>>685507
No it isn’t, you kept saying that the difference between private and personal property is who already owns it and claimed it has nothing to do with what that property’s relation to production is.

 No.685535

>>685530
> you kept saying that the difference between private and personal property is who already owns it and claimed it has nothing to do with what that property’s relation to production is

That's isn't even close to what I've been saying you actual retard.

Personal property is personal belongings

Private property is property that is either apart of the means or capital.

 No.685540

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>>685413
>Fidel castro is a wholesome and based revolutionary
yes

 No.685541

>>685535
Oh fuck off you disingenuous cunt

 No.685544

>>685541
>Oh fuck off you disingenuous cunt
There literally nothing disingenuous about what I said, you are just extremely retarded.

 No.685553

>>685544
You made such a big deal out of the watch because “ITS PRIVATE PROPERTY RETARDS AND CASTRO TOOK IT FOR HIMSELF”, when it was explained to you that a watch is not private property in the Marxist sense and therefore entirely irrelevant and unnecessary to distribute to the proletariat, you said that was wrong. Now given that definition again in more formal terms, you’re claiming that has been your position the whole time. You’re pathetic mate.

 No.685563

>>685553
>You made such a big deal out of the watch because “ITS PRIVATE PROPERTY RETARDS AND CASTRO TOOK IT FOR HIMSELF

Who's being a disingenuous cunt now. I said multiple fucking times that the watch was personal property.

>when it was explained to you that a watch is not private property in the Marxist sense
I already stated it was personal property multiple times.
>and therefore entirely irrelevant and unnecessary to distribute to the proletariat, you said that was wrong.
Yeah, it is wrong. They WERE personal properties until their owners were killed. They should have become public property because it was seized by the revolution. Castro, without the approval of the proletariat, took these personal properties for himself and then uplifted himself into a unequal social status.

I argued that these personal properties should be seized by the public to avoid bourgeoisie like mentality and to keep leaders on equal footing with the proletariat.

>Now given that definition again in more formal terms, you’re claiming that has been your position the whole time.

That is exactly correct.

>You’re pathetic mate.
No u.

 No.685569

>>685152
Nikita doesn't look like a "soylet" at all in this pic, but yes severe autism should be treated. You proved that

 No.685586

>>685563
> They WERE personal properties until their owners were killed. They should have become public property because it was seized by the revolution.
You can change private property to public property, but personal belongings/property/possessions cannot because they don’t serve any purpose to anyone other than to the individual that possesses it. There’s no functional way to make a watch a publicly owned possession and for it to keep its functionality.

At the end of the day the watches were looted, I’ve already said that, but there’s no reason this example of looting is any worse than any other claim to the spoils of war, your moralising about it being uncommunist and setting communism back was entirely based on your own lack of understanding of property from a Marxist perspective

 No.685710

Whose body did they loot it off?

 No.685727

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>>685146
>stolen from Cuban bourgeois
BASED and redpilled, at least he didn't exploit any workers' labor to do it.
My man literally pirated because he knew purchasing would be unethical.

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>>685183
Based, the capitalists will sell us the ropes we use to hang them.
I can just imagine revolutionaries gathering in a basement to coordinate because one of them has a watch instead of going to the train station and getting picked up by the pigs.

 No.685741

I really enjoyed talking with all of you, it's gone in shitstorm but I love it so much

 No.685793

>>685710
Some geezer.

 No.685796

>>685205
>Buddy, communism is built on morals.
Lmfao


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