Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:10:16 No. 686017
>>686013 I don’t care faggot
I know imperialism is the economic political and cultural domination of one state over another typically through armed force but id rather misuse the word as many times as I like to piss off American nationalist. Fuck ‘‘em all to death
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:11:48 No. 686022
>>686021 Ew state of Palestine must be established with all Jews gangec
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:12:09 No. 686023
>>686013 >>trade==imperialism No, unless youre a breadtube retard
>US not trading with cuba is imperialism No
>investment is imperialism Actually, yes
>chinese investment is not imperialism They are
>being defenisive allies with similar values and trade intrest is an empire Nah. But What you wrote doesnt describe NATO though, given the fact that europe is subservient to the USA and not on equal footing. "Empire" is a vague term anyway, its mostly symbolic.
>soviet block where countries get invaded when diviating too much from doctrine is not an empire It was cringe yea, but not "imperialism"
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:14:20 No. 686028
>>686023 Investment = imperialism is a bad metric because that would mean Soviet investment into the central Asia SSRs is "internal" imperialism, Soviet investment into Cuba is plain old imperialism.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:14:49 No. 686029
Read a fucking book. It's rather clear cut how this shit works if you actually just READ and understand how markets and international trade function. I bet you think it just works like magic.
READ IMPERIALISM: THE HIGHEST STAGE OF CAPITALISM https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/imperialism.pdf This goes for everybody else who hasn't read it yet, too. This is fundamental shit we all should know.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:19:58 No. 686038
>>686028 Investment in the capitalist sense is by definition imperialism
The soviets didn't "invest" in this sense in kazakstan or whatever, they didnt buy shares in their companies for a capital injection, they just dumped a load of money into it because it was all the same thing.
Similarly, a capitalist investing his own profits into his own company isnt imperialism either.
Imperialism is the export of capital abroad. Buying up resources, buying and building control.
Theres really two entirely different meanings of investing:
>Buying up shares in exchange for capital >Putting effort into it in the hope that it becomes better, with no ownership transfer The latter would be:
>investing in relationships >investing in yourself >investing in your mental health >investing your time in your community >the government investing in public education >the government investing in better infrastructure >the soviet union investing money into its own underdeveloped regions In this latter case, there are of course "returns", but no ownership, like capitalist investment.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:20:27 No. 686039
>>686038 cont
also yea read this book, its all in here
>>686029 Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:23:32 No. 686046
>>686029 Why should I read a red fascist
(bad faith, low effort sectarianism) Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:24:28 No. 686048
>>686046 Kill yourself
If you dont want to read the best analysis of capitalist imperialism that exists then you shouldnt make posts like this in the first place.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:27:22 No. 686052
>>686048 >>686029 Reminder that Lenin didn't knew how exactly the african economy worked and just guessed and made massive assumption (in bad faith) and used those to analyse a strawman.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:27:36 No. 686054
>>686013 Imperialism is the subjugation of one country by another more stronger power. As in the case of Britain and India.
For Chinese issues it's a highly ambiguous topic for it is subject to information wars, with opposing sides parroting what they view them as and claim that such is the truth (independent observers will therefore have a hard time deciding which is which)
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:28:29 No. 686057
>>686052 No he didnt
>>686054 Not exactly
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:30:27 No. 686058
>>686046 >red fascist cope and seethe retard.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:39:06 No. 686081
>>686048 What makes a red fascists's analysis the best? Thought slime and vowsh's videos are far more extensive and relatable in 2022
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:42:11 No. 686089
>>686081 Include me in the screencap
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 01:57:58 No. 686137
>>686038 >>Buying up shares in exchange for capital >>Putting effort into it in the hope that it becomes better, with no ownership transfer That's not what China is doing.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 02:15:14 No. 686166
>>686137 Which one? You quoted two contradictory things
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 03:04:08 No. 686261
>>686013 >Can you guys just form coherent definitions for once? If only there was a book you could read about this topic.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 04:48:31 No. 686352
>>686166 >Inb4 china doesn't own shares or resources in the places they invest in In what proportion and under which conditions, tho? China was willing to invest into Bolivia's lithium battery production with that production remaining in Bolivia's hands, while the West only agreed if Bolivia handed over the ownership of the place and production wholesale, going as far as trying to coup Bolivia in order to make it happen. There's a huge difference hidden here, don't you think?
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:07:59 No. 686365
>>686029 This. And read Kwame Nkrumah's "Neo-Colonialism: The Final Stage of Imperialism" once you're finished. It expands on Lenin from an African perspective.
>>686052 He didn't, but Nkrumah is good for applying Lenin's analysis to the material circumstances of Africa and the global South, if that's what you're looking for.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:10:29 No. 686367
>>686352 >China was willing to invest into Bolivia's lithium battery production with that production remaining in Bolivia's hands, Source?
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:20:41 No. 686375
>>686352 Just to clarify, is it like seed money?
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:38:40 No. 686393
>>686013 >trade==imperialism who says this
who says this
true read lenin foreign direct investments are literally exportation of capital and leads to the division of the world
who says this
yes
who says this
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:41:33 No. 686396
>>686013 Imperialism is when the US is involved, and the more involved it is, the more imperialist that action is.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 05:41:59 No. 686397
the economics understander has logged on
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 06:39:07 No. 686435
>>686013 Neither trade nor investment is imperialism. Nearly all countries, communities and individuals seek out investment, and investment is one of the best ways to for nations to develop and move their economies forward.
International investment gets a bad rap because of the World Bank and IMF's practice of "structural adjustment", which forced entire economies to seize unrelated national assets and privatize them to pay off loans that were hopelessly misguided. Many of those loans were targeting the development of so-called "human capital" which often failed to generate economic returns.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 11:04:17 No. 686616
>>686367 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bolivia-lithium-china-idUSKCN1PV2F7 49% Chinese ownership in a consortium.
Can't find the details of other deals.
https://dialogochino.net/en/extractive-industries/35423-bolivia-rethinks-how-industrialize-lithium-amid-political-transition/ Regardless, local councils forced Morales to abandon deals with Germany, and then during Anez "presidency" they kept resisting Anez. I don't remember where (I think it was a piece either from Morales or one of their politicians) but I've read that Western (Germany's, apparently?) deal had the ownership of the extraction be given to the Western company entirely, with that company merely paying taxes to Bolivia, as opposed to Chinese deal, which was letting Bolivia maintain ownership over the company.
Don't get scared by 49% stake owned by China, btw. They had similar deals in Africa, say, they were building some TV broadcasting company with majority ownership, which they are going to abandon after IIRC 20 years or so.
>>686375 No, China is creating and managing companies they build overseas. Basically, they SELL companies and their infrastructure and personnel and such. So, in order for that company to be working properly, they need to maintain them for quite a while until locals get the experience required to run them themselves.
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 22:03:51 No. 687294
True
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 22:32:17 No. 687358
If the United States had brought in 3000 soldiers to quell protest in Colombia people would lose their shit and call it imperialist
Anonymous 2022-01-11 (Tue) 23:54:02 No. 687452
>>686029 Leftists don't want to read Lenin, they want to use the popular conception of imperialism a la
>>686017 because that that way they don't have to jump through 50 different hoops to justify why Chinese investment capital dominating Sub-Saharan African states is actually anti-imperialist and socialist.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 15:54:08 No. 688359
>>686013 >Is "imperialism" just based on bad faith vs the west or something? It's a bad faith attack against white countries
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 18:21:03 No. 688540
>>687358 That isn't what imperialism means. Kazakhstan's president asked for Russian troops. Regardless of this action, Russia is or isn't imperialist in Kazakhstan. I don't know enough to tell you for sure.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 18:44:07 No. 688567
>>687452 This is a dirty secret but the world is obviously not on the cusp of worldwide proletariat revolution and there is no inevitable process at work right now that is going to unite countries into a single global community under the cause of socialism. In Lenin’s time this idea was actually refuted in the harshest way by history.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 07:47:15 No. 689445
>>688540 Good, and the south vietnamese president asked the US to supress a rebellion and repell a north vietnamese invasion.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 08:42:55 No. 689464
>>689445 What are the odds you know anything about Kazakhstan or what happened there? What are the sides in this conflict bud? Why was it seemingly collapsing into violent chaos?
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 09:51:34 No. 689501
>>689464 What are the odds that you do?
Pretty funny how quickly you sided with two capitalist nation states in the name of this warped, dogshit game of “realpolitik” tankies do when they side with people that would riddle them with bullets just as quickly as the US government would
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 11:55:59 No. 689546
>>688359 Whenever I feel down, I remember that I have existed longer than the Reich
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 11:58:47 No. 689550
>>689546 Based, if you’re 13 years old you’re more successful than Hitler’s Germany was
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 12:01:00 No. 689555
>>687452 >Chinese investment capital dominating Sub-Saharan African states Never happens, win-win cooperation on an equal basis is not domination.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 12:02:08 No. 689557
>>689555 And yet libs say the exact same thing regarding “globalization” and “free trade”
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 12:05:15 No. 689562
>>689557 and they would be lying
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 12:05:23 No. 689563
>>689557 The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Africans are very happy with Chinese investment. If they are not, the deals are renegotiated. If Chinese companies misbehave they are disciplined.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 12:06:25 No. 689564
>>688567 This is obvious to anyone not completely deluded.
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