I uphold Christman Thought Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 08:44:13 No. 688018 [View All]
>Capitalism is the Demiurge, a system whose very essence is antithetical to all spiritual ways of thinking preceding it, yet is nevertheless deeply cultic in its demands on humans and ultimate way of operating in the world, it is a Real God that destroyed all other gods then denied its own existence >The ultimate end state of capitalism can be theorized scientifically as global warming, a sixth mass extinction, and mass social struggle over the entire world; it can only be understood spiritually, as ushering in the apocalypse and Hell on Earth <The end stage of capitalism is literally Hell on Earth >The struggle of the proletariat for communism is akin to the struggle of the original protestants to “live like Christians” in opposition to the feudal ruling classes and the ideological pomp of the Church, the true meaning of early protestantism was challenging feudal authority by challenging the Church which upheld it <Communism is a spiritualist struggle for an age where God is dead and technology is advanced, communists effectively are fighting for heaven on Earth and the transcending of people’s alienation from Nature and each other, because this is now technologically possible >The struggle for socialism was most intense and most popular in the colonized world because for the colonized, they were compelled not through treats, but by a rifle at the head and just enough food to survive but barely
64 posts and 2 image replies omitted. Click reply to view. Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:19:10 No. 688274
ultimately this is just what most communists understand but with schizo-religious phrases. I literally don't care but good that he maintains the class struggle.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:20:12 No. 688276
>>688271 Except he also states that identity struggles will never lead anywhere because they aren’t based in things that are real in the way class is real
If anything his statement isn’t that workers
shouldn’t organize based on class, his point is examining why they don’t, why they frequently haven’t, and why they’ve continually chosen identity struggles over class struggle. Like, have you really even listened to this guy?
I know it’s probably more fun to just be somewhat naively optimistic and focus on how things will just work out the way you want them to because….you want them to, but it seems to me that Christman is more interested in thinking about why things are the way they are and likely finds it more useful to explain broader societal factors making people choose things like idpol over class struggle, instead of a very easy retreat into conspiracy where, actually it’s all just state actors and that’s it
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:23:34 No. 688282
>>688052 Lmao, you don't think there has ever been any different interpretations of Darwin?
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:26:48 No. 688284
>>688272 I knew all of this already
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:29:05 No. 688285
I listened to some of his ramblings and all I understood is that you HAVE to be an american to give a shit about anything he says.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:31:00 No. 688286
>>688282 Uh
Yes?
The theory has at least moved past Darwin, AFAIK much of what Darwin had seen was correct, but his theory has been heavily built upon due to the growth of paleontology as a study and genetics
>>688284 Then why do you despise Christman if you don’t even disagree with him?
>>688285 Well he is producing his videos for at least an english speaking audience
Like, what, are you supposed to be so filled with self-hatred as an American that you refuse to even analyze the conditions in your own country?
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:33:43 No. 688288
>>688286 I don’t despise him, I despise you, some prick with a terminal case of stemlord brain who thinks that “‘muh natural sciences” will show us how the world works. News flash: you’ve got more in common with liberal mechanical materialists who thought you could chart the history from the first molecule that bumped against the others like they were dominoes.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:34:50 No. 688289
Innumerate brainlet who spouts verbal diarrhea. New age mumbo jumbo repackaged for postironic millennial political dropouts. He should drop more acid and fry his tiny brain some more.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:37:11 No. 688291
>>688288 Damn dude, sorry you hate me, such an important, likable, and well known individual as you are
Didn’t realize there was a better tool for understanding the physical universe than the natural sciences, damn dude, you is right, why don’t you tell me the Marxist theory explaining black holes because I’m such a liberal dumbass? Is it that they don’t exist? It’s totally that they don’t exist, right?
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:38:38 No. 688293
>>688289 nice buzzwords bro
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:39:40 No. 688294
>>688288 >News flash: you’ve got more in common with liberal mechanical materialists who thought you could chart the history from the first molecule that bumped against the others like they were dominoes. I mean if you had sufficient information about each molecule and near-infinite processing power you could literally do that
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:40:09 No. 688296
>>688291 Tell me what the fuck black holes have to do with class society, I’ll wait.
The fact that you think the social sciences aren’t “real” science because they don’t adhere to some idealized version of it without understanding WHY or even if it CAN adhere to that model is peak midwit brainrot.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:40:18 No. 688297
>>688288 > News flash: you’ve got more in common with liberal mechanical materialists who thought you could chart the history from the first molecule that bumped against the others like they were dominoes. t. Person who believes in a definite and pre-determined end to history
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:41:39 No. 688298
>>688294 >Mechanical Idealism Congratulations for treating the universe like an elaborate rube goldberg machine where the parts don’t evolve into something else over the millenia.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:43:16 No. 688300
>>688018 Based,
bourgeois = archons
Pneumatics = class conscious vanguardists
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:43:22 No. 688301
>>688289 maybe if we banned one-liners we could have nice threads again
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:44:07 No. 688302
>>688296 Oh so the only things that are real are things that relate to Marxist theory and nothing exists outside of it?
I’m just trying to figure out the meaning of you railing against the natural sciences which don’t attempt to explain away society and instead focus on the material universe (largely) outside of human subjectivity
> The fact that you think the social sciences aren’t “real” science because they don’t adhere to some idealized version of it without understanding WHY or even if it CAN adhere to that model is peak midwit brainrot. Lmao I just think it’s funny how arrogant Marxists are, that’s all
They have absolutely no shame speaking down to anarchists, directly calling them children, claiming anarchism isn’t scientific but actually Marxism somehow is, or at least much moreso than whatever anarchists believe
Yet the second you criticize Marxism for lacking the rigor that the natural sciences have, the only response I ever see, honestly, is to cry and call their critic a liberal
And remember, this was all started by you trying to be conceited and arrogant regarding Matt Christman, who, if nothing else, possesses self-awareness
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:46:20 No. 688304
>>688297 Predetermined? In the socialism or barbarism sense, but I’m not some moron who thinks that you can sit on your ass to make society magically transform from capitalism into socialism into communism. Rather, current class society, specifically the revolutionary subject, the proletariat, has the possibility of doing so, because they have the unique capability of establishing their class dictatorship and thereon out abolish class society as a whole. This has the same batshit logic as:
>I’m hungry >A sandwich will satiate my hunger <Therefore, a sandwich will magically manifest in my stomach Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:47:08 No. 688305
>>688298 Well they do evolve into other things, but that all happens by the mechanism of single molecules interacting with others. If you have 100% of the information about a situation then the past as well as the future is 100% predictable.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:49:23 No. 688306
>>688302 Simple, it doesn’t determine how I can pay my rent or health insurance premiums.
And oh my, are you some butthurt anarchist who can’t understand why their utopianism is detached from reality?
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:51:10 No. 688308
>>688306 >What is stoichiometry Fam, there’s a degree of probability and chance even in the outcome of chemical reactions, forget the complexities of biology, sociology, etc.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:54:21 No. 688313
>>688306 So you’re full of shit and worthless, thanks for playing
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:55:15 No. 688314
>>688313 >Can’t provide counterpoint <proceeds to mald Many such cases
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 14:56:24 No. 688316
>>688314 A counterpoint to what?
You being proud of being ignorant on a subject? You countered yourself with your reply.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 15:07:57 No. 688325
>>688319 No, more like funny that you expected me to counter you being proudly ignorant on a subject
Why would I care to counter you admitting to being a moron?
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 15:23:32 No. 688337
Isn't portraying Marxism as an ideology or a religion basically as old as Marxism itself at this point. What is Matt bringing to the table here
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 15:34:14 No. 688348
>>688337 >Isn't portraying Marxism as an ideology anon, I…
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 15:34:54 No. 688350
>>688273 >I would like to hear audio of him saying that. he says it in this podcast linked by
>>688143 >I've listened to a lot of his schizo vlogs and the constant is that all that shit is cultural i have only listened to some of his vlogs ( like 5), and i agree that in the past he does oppose "cultural shit" but detected a slight shift towards reaction in this last one (that is linked in this thread)
>>688276 >Christman is more interested in thinking about why things are the way they are Marx would reply to that: "philosophers have so far only interpreted the world, the point howerver is to change it"
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 15:39:05 No. 688351
>>688350 This would be very poignant if people here were actually doing anything
But, like, they aren’t; at least Christman admits what he produces is effectively entertainment and doesn’t inflate his own importance
It’s not like the denizens of this imageboard are maoist guerrillas fighting a war with the west or something
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 15:41:18 No. 688353
>>688248 His China takes are pretty detached too, although he did talk himself into being a dengist through the course of a cushvlog
As it stands, I still adore Matt. It also helps that he is genuinely disabled and did work for a living in retail prior to chapo. If you have a solid ideological background (and can tolerate/enjoy the spiritual rants), cushvlogs are delightful. I hope he continues to do them until he's either 150 or bored.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 17:25:03 No. 688458
Matt is like doomers pill + hopium at the same time. Basically listening to him is like taking a downer and upper at the same time.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 17:28:53 No. 688464
>>688302 >Oh so the only things that are real are things that relate to Marxist theory and nothing exists outside of it? Ideally, yes, but the development of the sciences relates to the mode of production.
>Yet the second you criticize Marxism for lacking the rigor that the natural sciences have, the only response I ever see, honestly, is to cry and call their critic a liberal It wouldn't be like a "natural science" exactly. The sense of "Wissenschaft" in German isn't the same as "science" (or "natural science") in English, although the two did overlap more in the past. The criticism of anarchists and others on the left for being "unscientific" wasn't (originally) intended in the sense that they weren't empirical "natural" sciences.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 17:29:10 No. 688465
>>688445
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 17:30:01 No. 688468
>>688464 > Ideally, yes Fucking kek
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 17:36:38 No. 688480
>>688468 Obviously, not all Marxists actually try to integrate the sciences into their view, e.g. Leninhat, so it results in a bizarrely detached notion of science.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 18:07:44 No. 688529
>>688018 Christcom for White socialists
Islamocom for Brown socialists
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 20:15:56 No. 688623
>>688018 I basically agree, but with some mildly different aesthetics.
I agree with spaceanon that people are overly mad about the terminology of variations of gnostic marxism.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 20:27:41 No. 688630
Ian Wright has nicer theories IMO.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 20:28:44 No. 688631
>>688301 This is not a nice thread, it's barely coherent babbling. There is not one actionable insight in this dungheap. Matt Chistman is playing palliative wordgames for himself, he admits as much on the regular, and anyone who thinks they are deep insights that can be expanded upon is simply not seeing the forrest through the trees. This oaf knows not a whit about either Islam or China, yet he postulates chinese islamic synthesis as the way of the future with a straight face. He should stick to suburban American neuroses.
The reason he's not writing a book is not that he can only reason verbally, it's that once on paper the lack of coherent thread is laid bare. Which is not a problem if all you do is provide a constant stream of content pellets to your doped up audience, in one ear and out the next as they browse twitter threads.
Anonymous 2022-01-12 (Wed) 20:41:36 No. 688641
>>688302 >Yet the second you criticize Marxism for lacking the rigor that the natural sciences have, the only response I ever see, honestly, is to cry and call their critic a liberal No, if anything the number one response on this board is to respond with Cockshott, Shaikh, and/or a Victor Magariño video.
Anonymous 2022-01-13 (Thu) 23:50:23 No. 690266
I hope his book is more focused than his vlogs
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 01:22:15 No. 690337
>>688631 > yet he postulates chinese islamic synthesis as the way of the future with a straight face. Kek
You’ve never listened to his vlog
>>688630 Ian Wright is the true GOAT compared to Christman, yes
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 01:30:39 No. 690345
>>688018 Why does this mf look like an IRL Disco Elysium character?
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 17:09:48 No. 691099
>>690345 Fake cryptonazi leftists are fat, ugly, and look like hobos.
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 17:53:43 No. 691154
>>690337 >You’ve never listened to his vlog I got it verbatim from his last vlog you imbecile
Anonymous 2022-01-14 (Fri) 18:54:28 No. 691237
>>688270 I can tell you’re a burger because you think Luther was the only/first/most important Protestant figure
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:39:27 No. 692076
>>688270 >wealth accumulation wasn't invented before martin luther retard alert
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