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 No.689484

Interesting op ed on RT today. The writer argues that many countries today, especially Ukraine, would be unlikely to resist an occupation in the way the taliban, houthis, maquis, partisans etc. did, for structural reasons. So not "they are effeminate and don't have fighting spirit". He notes the following trends:
<Demographics
Straight forward, post industrial societies have fewer angry young men in them, who are typically the ones foolhardy enough to risk going up against superior odds.
<Electronics
People have become for their communication and organising fully dependent on easily monitored, blocked or traceable applications. Turn off what's app, and most people couldn't organise a pub visit let alone a resistance cell.
<Security technology
For those people that try to organise, they face a state armed with more technology to control them. CCTV cameras, modern crowd control weapons, surveillance tools linked to cell phones etc. The Okhrana can't hold a candle to a modern day police department.
<Apathy
This one is probably most fuzzy. People are apathic until they're not. Still, it does seem harder to motivate people for a singular cause in today's world of distractions.

All of these factors would hold for revolutionary movements as much as for Ukrainians. It explains why the few remaining Marxist insurgencies out there occur in countries that are still on the other side of the demographic shift. Not very hopeful though.
https://www.rt.com/russia/545831-could-ukraine-become-russias-new/

 No.689487

>post industrial societies have fewer angry young men in them
Damn that sucks. Who makes the food and clothing for the post industrial men tho

 No.689488

kremlin cope branded as "revolution is impossible", hahahahahah

 No.689489

>>689484
Cockshott already dealt with this
https://youtu.be/lepMdZuZiHo

 No.689493

>>689487
the third world

 No.689494

>>689484
Other factors
>Education
People with lower education (especially in capitalist shitholes) mean that they are susceptible to capitalist
>propaganda.
>Religion
The same case, but it also affects people with higher education and higher wages too. Especially when told that Jesus hates communism.

 No.689503

>RT
>revolution is impossible guise!
no one cares about russian glow propaganda

 No.689504

>>689494
Higher education is not a prophylactic against propaganda. To the contrary, higher level education consist of socialisation into the elite.

 No.689505

>>689493
What would happen to post industrial men when the "third world" people have their revolution?

 No.689506

>>689505
I dunno, I guess they'd have to desperately try to rebuild their national industry that previous generations sold off and scrapped

 No.689507

>>689489
When you say something like this, could you at the very least give a run-down of the argument you're refering to, instead of dropping a 43min video with shit audio? I'd be very interested in hearing what Paul has to say on this, but when you make a post like this I'm questioning whether he even tackles the issue at all.

 No.689559

>>689484
>Sees the people who wrote this article
>Sees the people who believe it, OP included
Дебилы, блядь

 No.689585

>>689484
>fewer angry young men
But isn't the exact opposite true in the developed world? Lots of underemployed, overqualified, and socially unfulfilled young guys in America in Europe. Which is supposedly one reason why non-liberal political movements are making a comeback

 No.689753

>crushing pussy
>picture of underage boys

Ok pedo

 No.689810

>>689484
Anon you understand that colonialism is a phase away from the end of capitalism when the wealthiest heads of capitalist institutions announce the total abolishment of private property within a state leading to fascism right? All of history has been related to revolutions that led humanity closer to a point where capitalists bureaucracy and proles can exist but now it’s only elites and proles in the coming years ever since covid gave the perfect excuse to atomize thousands to millions of buissnesses and force people closer to a rentier economy

 No.689811

>>689810
Even if we don’t see a socialist revolution capitalism is gonna fall under its own mode of production either way

 No.690980

>>689585
>But isn't the exact opposite true in the developed world? Lots of underemployed, overqualified, and socially unfulfilled young guys in America in Europe. Which is supposedly one reason why non-liberal political movements are making a comeback
for every 25year old who is unemployed and up to their head in debt, you have five boomers sitting in a McMansion with a 401k

 No.690981

>>689811
>under its own mode of production either way
their is no garentie that it will be socialism or will be better then what we have now

 No.691014

>>689484
>post industrial societies
Nice meme

 No.691018

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>>689484
Im more worried about the absolute ideological state of the left than revolutionary potential. Masses thirst for change but communists are unable to offer alternatives other than more leninist failure.

 No.691020

>>691014
Do you deny that 80% of the western workforce is in the service sector?

 No.691026

I dunno, I think people resist when they know whoever they're resisting is worse than the alternative. The Nazis let the French have Vichy and mingled with the Parisians, whereas in the East they embarked on a campaign of wholesale slaughter and genocide. It's not hard to guess from that which side had the stronger resistance.

Resistance movements are also often part of a larger conflict. The Taliban and Houthis are ultimately struggling against their own peoples who inhabit the same region. Westerners could easily be riled up to kill in huge numbers, provided they have been propagandized enough. The average white suburban American in 2022 would easily murder supposed SJWs, Chinese, blacks, without a single pang of guilt or apprehension.

Also, the MENA region is chockfull of these imbalanced demographics in favor of unemployed young men. Most of them don't do anything, and the ones that did recently just end up joining some weird Islamist fascist death cult like ISIS.

 No.691035

>>691020
You are retarded

 No.691039

>>691020
there's no good way to objectively measure a workforce and it's largely done according to biased references/samples

 No.691157

>>691026
>Also, the MENA region is chockfull of these imbalanced demographics in favor of unemployed young men. Most of them don't do anything
Arab Spring is only a decade old you know.

 No.691162

>>689489
Oh really, where is the revolution then?

 No.691192

>>690980
The boomers will eventually die, yet the 25yos will not suddenly become less angry

 No.691195

>>689484
This is all a bunch of "maybe" masquerading as "definitely"
Society today has less angry young men? Maybe. It specifically has less young men than what the threshold would be for revolution? Maybe. Angry young men are the only way to make a revolution? Maybe. How do you prove any of this?

 No.691495

>>691192
Who replaces them when they retire? The retirement of the boomers is a massive population bomb.

 No.692278

>>689488
This. Of course Vlasovites would try to demoralise the people.


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