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 No.689700

At what point do you say it's better to just live for yourself and spend the short amount of time you have left until eternal nothingness on enjoying life instead of trying to change the world?

 No.689702

I don't organize or do anything, I just read about Marxism and politics like I do philosophy. No goal of changing the world, but no goal of not changing it either. Just trying to be content.

 No.689704

Meaningless when porky made a shit world to live in where suffering is constant
Consume products in your suburb if you want, pasty, as far as I'm concerned you and every white suburbanoid like you are irrelevant

 No.689705

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>>689700
I don't think it's either/or. I like what Vishay Prashad said here about the point of joining projects or organizations is that you don't feel like you're individually trying to save the world.

 No.689706

>>689704
>suffering is constant
That's literally human existence, not just human existence under capitalism.

 No.689707

>>689700
>at what point
when you mature into a functioning adult. Most people can't get there anymore

 No.689709

>>689704
My plan is to save enough money to find a small shack somewhere in the world cheap and then just live in it full time and do nothing but go to the local library and walk around

 No.689710

>>689707
The concept of "adult" is what porky propagandizes you into believing so you accept your place as a wage slave to save until retirement at 70 which you will then die at 71. Unless you have a family which was the first mistake you ever made but you can throw it all away right now and wander the earth like Christ

 No.689719

>>689704
There's a reason modern consumerism is reliant on cause messaging. People are no longer capable of enjoying consumerism for consumerism's sake. The white suburbanites won't buy a thing if it's not billed as being eco-sustainable, black-owned, gender-revolutionary, crypto etc.

>>689710
Can't remember the last time I saw porky propagandize being an adult. Eternally unsatisfied adolescents are more profitable and pliable.

 No.689720

Never. There won't be a future to live for yourself if shit continues as it is.

 No.689723

>>689720
Nothing is collapsing anytime soon but even if it did why would I care. I move as I please until death

 No.689724

>>689719
>Can't remember the last time I saw porky propagandize being an adult. Eternally unsatisfied adolescents are more profitable and pliable.

Being an adult means settling down buying a house, working hard at a stable job, saving for retirement. That's what they need is labor. If everyone became minimalists or ascetics they would have no workforce

 No.689733

>>689724
That's completely wrong. Adulthood is about complete development of the personality rather than living out a specific lifestyle. Minimalists and ascetics make great workers and consumers. The profitable subscription service model is reliant on these nomads. The service and gig-workforce economy in general is reliant on having a permanently uprooted nomadic workforce.

 No.689734

>>689733
Rent is the only thing keeping you work. If you lived in a Van why would you need to wrok

 No.689739

Consumerism is infantalizing.
Overthrowing capitalism is your rite of passage into adulthood.

 No.689742

>>689739
No one said anything about consumerism I said to throw away your possessions and wander the world like Christ but really it's just follow your passions and whatever moves you

 No.689743

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>>689700
>short amount of time you have left until eternal nothingness
nihilistic cope
you're not getting off the wheel that easy

 No.689745

>>689743
Don't Buddhists or whatever say your consciousness is gone which means your in eternal nothingness anyways

 No.689746

>>689745
no

 No.689817

>>689700
When you realize that you’re not someone who is going to engage in socialist politics by joining a movement advancing your material interests, but as an exercise in entertaining your utopian ideals.
>>68972
>Implying this minimalist “asceticism” doesn’t rely on other people’s hard labor

 No.689818

>>689817
>Implying this minimalist “asceticism” doesn’t rely on other people’s hard labor
How?

 No.689822

>>689818
just does

 No.689829

I can't "just live for myself", my life and life of everyone around me sucks and it will not stop sucking until the world is changed.

 No.689831

>>689700
I’d rather try to delay or prevent capitalist states from inevitably becoming fascist to save myself and my loved ones from the mess of constant need of industrial expansion and hedonistic consumption that capitalism promotes at the loss of human life through voting for regulations and striking. Better than being a little shit trying to avoid problems and thinking they’ll just go away when I do nothing

 No.689833

>>689706
How would you know if you never even saw a life in a country that is not capitalist?

I remember a little bit of USSR. It was much better.

 No.689835

>>689833
>I remember a little bit of USSR
either lying or a boomer

 No.689837

>>689743
>nihilistic cope
Buddhism is a nihilist cope

 No.689845

>>689700
This everything or nothing attitude is normal for young people but you can do your share AND enjoy life.

 No.689848

>>689835
Born in '77, so not a boomer, unless you use that terms to describe anyone older than 35.

 No.689849

>>689700
>give on a better world
no

 No.689850

>>689837
>Buddhism is a nihilist cope

.t your ass

 No.689852

>>689849
>give up on a better world
NO

typo

 No.689866

>>689745
No, your consciousness is not gone, your previous personality is gone
It would be like losing all your memories, your mind is still there, you will still be experiencing things, you’d just be someone new
The previous personality would be gone, but not the actual consciousness
>>689743
Based, nihilioids tryna cope their way out of samsara will fail every time, no matter how many times they try this

Do you think nihilists get banished to the animal realm upon reincarnation?

 No.689869

>>689833
>I remember a little bit of USSR
How was it different than capitalism ?

 No.689870

>>689866
animal realm or even ghost realm where they can truly be nothing(non embodied) yet constantly hungry

 No.689879

>>689869
Is this a serious question even?

I will not boggle with every little bit of detail like eating good food, having almost every hobby you want being accessible for you, feeling safe on the streets and so on, since it would be insanely long post otherwise. Let me just say that it took slighly more than 5 years of living in capitalism for me to never expect anything good out of the future ever again and loose my trust in people.

 No.689904

>Camus discovers /leftypol/

 No.689907

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Fighting and desiring for a better world pleases the Ego.

 No.689937

>>689700
This way of thinking rests solely on the idea of the individual as the sole changer of the world. The thing is though, is that when things change it was not by one sole person but the many. One may resign themselves from action, but collectivism will always keep humanity marching onward. Whether it be to new heights or total destruction, it all depends on those who choose to act and how those actions affect those who come after them and their actions after that.
>At what point do you say it's better to just live for yourself
The thing is, how can one truly live for themselves under capitalism? You are not really doing that, in reality you are living under what the system put down over you. You are living off the exploitation of those economically below you and in turn exploited by those richer than you. That isn't living for yourself, that's accepting the chains and worse yet, justifying the system that makes us all suffer with your own compliance.

 No.690372

>>689700
Fighting capitalism is what I enjoy. It gives my life meaning.

 No.690375

>>689700
Oblivion hypothesis is its own issue of debate, so you've snuck in multiple premises of contention into your premise.

 No.690380

>>689704
based

 No.690381

>>689700
You got it backwards anon. Trying to live for yourself is what you do at first, then you realize you have no money, no free time, are constantly stressed and miserable and have no hope of escaping this. Then you try to change the world (shitpost online).

 No.690397

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>>689705
>tfw you understand that pretty much no matter what happens to you or what you do, we're gonna win
>you could get killed, turn class traitor, drop out and live innawoods, or just be a less than ideal comrade
>doesn't matter, we're still gonna win

 No.690406

>>689704
>concerned you and every white suburbanoid like you are irrelevant
Your idea that being politically active makes you relevant is unrealistic and narccisitic at its core

 No.690499

>>689700
Never because that's stupid and leaves me with dread. My life was unfair. I observe the lives around me and I rejoice in another's pleasure and my heart aches at another's pain. I want to do my part to leave a better world for other people when I am returned to the Earth.
>>689706
Nope lol there are multiple reasons for every misery.
>>690397
Hell yeah we will and future generations will thank us for our sacrifice, or take it for granted, and wonder how we ever lived this way…

 No.690500

>>690406
I think you are actually just a sad sack

 No.690511

>>690406
when they did ever say that? they just said suburbanoids are irrelevant anyways

 No.690514

ITT meaningless profound crap from LARPers

 No.690542

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Im a pessimist by nature, i dont see anything changing in america barring a bloody revolution, but thats not going to happen because everyone is too fat, stupid, lazy.

The far left is basically frozen out of American politics by the neoliberals. The mainstream left have been taken over by radlib woketards who use morality in order to control people. And the politicians themselves are neoliberals who encourage the idpol over class analysis because this pleases their financial backers.

There is no major difference between a mainstream republican or democrat besides cultural wedge issues.

Personally i have been getting into the philosophy of Schopenhauer and pessimism. Im focused on the idea of eternal suffering rather than anything political these days.
so yeah, this is basically hell and nothing can change, so focus on our suffering and how to relieve it.

 No.690565

>>689700
fighting to change the current state of things is what "enjoying life" means to me, so I don't really get, waht you're saying due?"

 No.690568

>>689879
Something I've been thinking about recently whenever i pass by old architecture from the communist era is, like it doesn't really make sense if you look at them from the standpoint a neoliberal nationalist country. But if you put them in the context of a society in which everyone believed they were building a new world, in which people didn't really have any economic anxiety and didn't have to worry about the future, the aesthetic kind of makes sense. And it reveals (i think) this sort of atmosphere of like… freedom it's kind of similar to the vibe you get from sovietwave. I wonder if thats what it felt like to live back then ? Idk maybe I'm just retarded tho

 No.690569

>>690568
Architecture and buildings*

 No.690573

>live for yourself
You mean self-destructive hedonism?

 No.690577

>>690397
That channels Lenin too:

>The second time I met Lenin was in 1906 at the Stockholm Congress of our Party. You know that the Bolsheviks were in the minority at this congress and suffered defeat. This was the first time I saw Lenin in the role of the vanquished. But he was not in the least like those leaders who whine and lose heart after a defeat. On the contrary, defeat transformed Lenin into a spring of compressed energy which inspired his supporters for new battles and for future victory. I said that Lenin was defeated. But what sort of defeat was it? You had only to look at his opponents, the victors at the Stockholm Congress—Plekhanov, Axelrod, Martov and the rest. They had little of the appearance of real victors, for Lenin’s merciless criticism of Menshevism had not left one whole bone in their body, so to speak. I remember that we, the Bolshevik delegates, huddled together in a group, gazing at Lenin and asking his advice. The speeches of some of the delegates betrayed a note of weariness and dejection. I recall that to these speeches Lenin bitingly replied through clenched teeth: “Don’t whine, comrades, we are bound to win, for we are right.” Hatred of the whining intellectual, faith in our own strength, confidence in victory—that is what Lenin impressed upon us. It was felt that the Bolsheviks’ defeat was temporary, that they were bound to win in the very near future.

>“No whining over defeat”—this was the feature of Lenin’s activities that helped him to rally around himself an army faithful to the end and confident in its strength.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/01/28.htm

With Prashad, though, I have to catch myself in the opposite direction from doomerism, which is excessive praise of the dude as the next Lenin… but if anyone is going to be Lenin right now, I think it'd be him. Now, realistically, he probably won't be. Buuuuut he's around the same as Lenin was when the revolution kicked off, and I think for older comrades who hit that age, they realize that and start to go for broke.

So it could happen. It's possible. You never know, right?


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