Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:16:49 No. 692055
I wonder if anyone from /leftypol/ is from the Caribbean nations.
Will it really have a socialist uprising? Would it team up with Cuba?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:19:53 No. 692058
Most likely yes Haiti is in the same situation Cuba was 3-2 years before it had a socialist revolution along with the fact that most revolutions in the global south arose due to the same conditions Haiti is in as a side effect of colonial expansion requiring the suppression of productive forces within developing economies for the purpose of minimal competition and handicraft labour.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:20:46 No. 692060
Simply put there’s 0 reasons for why any Haitian worker would show any support for anything that resembles capitalism for the rest of their lives
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:28:52 No. 692066
…unless the US just coups the socialists.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:31:00 No. 692068
The proletariat has more agency than the CIA
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:31:04 No. 692069
Ngga they failed to assasinate one pm with barely any men or future info that there was even an attempt to be made and failed at this point thousands of times to overthrow Cuba
Uncle Sam may be violent but he isn’t smart
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:32:23 No. 692070
Or do I have to remind you why my country is in a major inflation crisis after the cia decided getting federal governments of dems and reps to sanction China?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:32:39 No. 692071
Exactly, DR lapdogs are next door and Haiti has no military and no allies. They will just land some more Marines and butcher them until the living and un maimed comply.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:33:51 No. 692072
Actually Haiti brought its army back a while ago which is where the state security troops came from in that assasination video of the new pm
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:37:07 No. 692073 >>692069
And yet they did successfully coup the only good modern Haitian leader less than two decades ago.
>Uncle Sam may be violent but he isn’t smart
You're right about that, the problem is sometimes they don't need to be smart and violence alone is more than enough.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:39:20 No. 692075
Either way Haiti is headed towards genuine socialism considering the USA has done more to accelerate hatred for that system within Latin America within the past 5 years alone than the entirety of China within 100 thanks to the American governments constant need to export its degeneracy everywhere.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 05:52:19 No. 692083
I wanted to say that even though I realize that's exactly what I ended up doing, I really didn't mean to come into this thread just to be a downer. I want things to work out especially since the brief periods of good governance they had show that there really is hope. I guess I'm just trying to inoculate myself against further disappointment. But ultimately the Empire isn't at all perfect and there's room for things to work out. I guess we'll see.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 10:33:05 No. 692216
>Crucial to enforce blockade of Cuba >Crucial to enforce blockade of Venezuela >Extremely close to Puerto Rico >Supports Taiwan as the real China There's no way the Us will let a revolution happen in Haiti. They'd just launch an upscale version of the invasion of Grenada.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 12:15:57 No. 692299
Wouldn't the US just send troops in, like they've done so many times before?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 14:20:49 No. 692370
>>692299 >Wouldn't the US just send troops in, like they've done so many times before?
They did that with Cuba last I checked didn't end well
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 15:07:38 No. 692395
Or just do a more modern version and send the dogs of war again, like last year
Depends how the winds blow, Cuba managed to resist and later formed an alliance with the USSR, in this case they would have to appeal to the russians.
Or also it depends, there are minor nations in the caribbean who are close to Cuba by having labour in power and they haven't got invaded.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:18:29 No. 692495
national revolutions are cringe
like the thread said, even if they topple the government and some other booj opportunists don't replace them, US will come in anyways they should keep from military confrontations for now and organize
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:27:28 No. 692514
Tbh id rather not have socialism with Haitian characteristics.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:32:53 No. 692529
We all know you want communism under the western ideal of proletarian internationalism.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:34:11 No. 692535
there's no "west"
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:36:24 No. 692542
My fear is Haitian revolution 2.0 will look like Somalian socialist project in the 90's. Its just bad propaganda for us.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:38:35 No. 692548
It's an illusion, but the illusion still exists in the material.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:44:18 No. 692565
where? inb4 international orgs and treaties created after WWII that're basically irrelevant today
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:45:58 No. 692568
Would still be an improvement over capitalist Haiti
Haitian pirates raiding storeshittistahni shipping would be good
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:47:51 No. 692574
The fact there is even a concept of the west in the first place.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:50:22 No. 692579
This. I think anyone trying to topple the current Haitian government is gonna be
no matter the ideology.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:54:30 No. 692589
A Haitian revolution would be a gift from god, imagine what a Black Socialist Republic would do to the class consciousness of African Americans
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:57:02 No. 692596
>>692370 >They did that with Cuba last I checked didn't end well
They did just fine in Grenada despite the medical students fiasco
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:57:13 No. 692597
I mean, NATO is a good representation of the West™ existing in practice.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 16:58:32 No. 692601
This is something the Revolutionary government of the Slave Republic unironically used to do. They had ships block slave ships that were sailing towards Florida, and liberated all the slaves.
There was also a conspiracy being planned by the Haitian government to march into Florida to arm and Liberate all the slaves, igniting a national slave revolt in America.
These are a few reasons why the founding fathers of America hated Haiti so much, the revolutionary Haitian government were like the USSR, supporting national liberation movements
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:00:10 No. 692607
Impending development of capitalism in Africa is imo the better redpill for the future
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:01:04 No. 692609
not really, considering it extends way past what's considered the west and has more objectives than just protecting the interests of "western" governments
fantasies and lies existing doesn't prove anything
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:02:53 No. 692612
The confederate socialist states of america supports the communist vodou republic of haiti 👍
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:03:02 No. 692613
Little to nothing because African Americans and Haitian immigrants hate each other, there's no such thing as black solidarity or a coherent black liberation movement
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:04:23 No. 692617
It proves my point of illusion existing in the material.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:06:41 No. 692622
"The Cartel" is a better term than "the west" tbqh
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:08:36 No. 692624
The biggest problem for Haitians is the Dominican Republic even before the Us. Without stuff happening on a Hispaniola-wide scale there could be no change in Haiti.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:45:40 No. 692826
Come to think about it where do gusanos actually come from? How the fuck does an obviously exploited prole actually form any form of allegiance to the person that’s obviously stunting the economic development and security of the country they inhabit
Ffs Dominica somehow has a bigger homicide rate with more funding and aid from the USA while they get their infrastructure built by Haitians while the population instead of recognizing how fucked it is continues to blindfully support burger degeneracy despite receiving none of the benefits
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:59:24 No. 692844
Why did they use white or at least I think are white actors? Most Dominicans and hispanics in general are dark brown to just black
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:59:46 No. 692845
Not how that works. Just because two individuals don’t like each other don’t mean that the thought of a black socialist republic isn’t important for black people to think “hey, I could do that to”
Anonymous 2022-01-16 (Sun) 10:57:47 No. 693676
So acceleration works?
Anonymous 2022-01-16 (Sun) 11:01:06 No. 693681
>>692844 >why are the ruling classes european
Nobody knows anon.
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