Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:17:48 No. 692644
Picture as only source and a red herring
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:19:10 No. 692645
>>692644 If you dismiss it instead of responding to the argument, then this serves to reinforce their belief that communists deny history and are incapable of discussion
🍀 Shay 🍀 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:19:55 No. 692647
Kulaks burned and hoarded grain during collectivization leading to the famines. Kulak literally means "closed fist"
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:20:13 No. 692650
>>692640 What should the bolsheviks have done differently? It was a near on unwinnable situation. Ofcourse it was a tragedy, but the heavy language of yours by claiming it was artificial when most famines by this metric are artificial, indicates you are a anti-communist wanting to play the blame-game
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:21:23 No. 692654
>>692645 I did respond to it by pointing out that your logic is flawed. You might not like the deliverance, but it's there.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:21:39 No. 692655
>>692647 This is 1921 not the 30s you dumb retard. He is referring to war communism
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:22:33 No. 692657
>>692647 >kulaks >1921 shut your mouth with another cock
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:23:42 No. 692660
>>692657 They were a thing since the time of tzar. So was prodrazverstka. You are just an uneducated retard.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:25:31 No. 692662
>>692655 So? They still did it. Or rather they mostly hide it and speculated on a market making a bank. Same with '27.
It's the regular capitalist shit. Remember what happened with prices of masks at the start of the pandemic.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:25:50 No. 692663
Russian empire suffered from multiple famines and so did the Soviet Union after the civil war until Stalin fixed their agriculture.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:26:45 No. 692664
>>692650 >heavy language of yours by claiming it was artificial The government had the food seized from those people. There was flooding, yes, but it was mostly the government seizing the food for war effort. Only after The NEP was introduced in 1921 by Lenin that ended grain seizures from peasants. And only in 1922 the famine dialled down.
>>692660 >They were a thing since the time of tzar Then how come we don't blame them for the 1921 famine too? We marxists always like to blame kulpaks. Pic related is a starving kid from 1921
Source:
https://www.nb.no/hva-skjer/famine-in-ukraine-and-norwegian-aid-academic-seminar/ Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:26:55 No. 692665
>>692640 SCP personnel are coming to wipe all of your memories after seeing this picture
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:27:14 No. 692666
>>692660 NTA, but they weren't called kulak by that time yet indicating that they still were on the pro-bolshevik train. You know, peace, land and bread? By 1921 the bolsheviks didn't even talk about collectivization so the kulaks had no reason to become the shitheads they later became
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:27:35 No. 692668
>>692640 But this particular famine can be blamed on the coalition of 21 entente allies invading the Soviet Union. Without these forces the civil war would have been much less detrimental to the civilian population.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:28:05 No. 692669
Nobody owes you an argument, smelly poltard.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:28:59 No. 692670
>>692664 >There was flooding, yes, but it was mostly the government seizing the food for war effort I know that's my point. But if you look back, every famine is mostly political and thus artificially created. The irish potato famine, bengal famine etc. By saying
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:29:31 No. 692671
>>692664 >Then how come we don't blame them for the 1921 famine too? You need to read more.
>We marxists Kek. You glow like fukushima, faggot.
You do know that most of the Ukraine in '21 belong to Poland, right?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:31:32 No. 692672
>>692666 >they weren't called kulak FFS
Open Dal's dictionary from XIX century and look up the definition. They were pretty much a thing and they were called kulaks.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:33:29 No. 692673
>>692670 >The irish potato famine, bengal famine etc The irish brought it upon themselves for relying too much on a single crop.
The indians also brought it upon themselves because ghandi refused food aid shipments because he didn't like Churchill
On the other hand, the 1921 famine was caused by the Bolshevik party selling confiscated crop abroad in order to get western equipment and technologies regardless of the hunger of soviet people.
This is why they groomed Nazis at early stages (they wanted Nazis to get in war with Europe and then to "free"/occupy Europe themselves). This one was partially successful after WW2
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:34:11 No. 692675
Food production and distribution collapsed because of WWI and the civil war. It only recovered by 27-28 to pre-war levels (which themselves were still vulnerable to hunger)
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:34:26 No. 692676
>>692672 They weren't the political enemy in 1921 they went to became during the period of collectivization
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:35:07 No. 692677
>>692673 >The indians also brought it upon themselves because ghandi refused food aid shipments because he didn't like Churchill Ghandi was never even the actual ruler of India and it was still part of the British Empire in 1943 lmao. You're clearly full of shit.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:35:37 No. 692679
>>692675 >Food production and distribution collapsed because of WWI and the civil war Yes, but also because of the volga drought and ALSO because of Bolsheviks seizing and exporting food.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:35:48 No. 692680
>>692672 (me)
Also, kulak is simply put a village capitalist. He came to ownership of other peasant's lands usually through means of usury of grain and money, making other landless peasants work for them for cheap. Since the middle of XIX century pettit bourg peasant class started to divide between kulaks (capitalists), batraks (proletariat) and srednyaks (pettit porkies, who still owned their land and worked on them).
They were just as much the cause of hunger is say 1891-92 as they were for hunger in USSR, not because they were especially bad people but because they were capitalists and they looked for profit.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:36:16 No. 692682
>>692673 lmao, you guys are clearly not sending your best
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:36:27 No. 692683
>>692640 I'm really sorry the Bolsheviks failed to prevent WWI and its consequences,
I wish they had too.
If it makes you feel any better, OP, lots of other horrible stuff happened as a consequence too. This is only the tip of the iceberg.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:36:29 No. 692684
>>692676 They were capitalist, you idiot, they always were a political enemy. Goddammit.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:38:19 No. 692686
>>692683 >I'm really sorry You better also be sorry for famine from 1932 to 1933 and the Great Leap Forward crisis from 1959 to 1961
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:38:42 No. 692688
>>692682 Unfortunately, it is their best.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:38:45 No. 692689
>>692684 You 12 or something?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:39:40 No. 692691
>>692686 Industrialisation sucked ass for every country that did industrialise, but you wouldn't since you are a midwit from america and your education is lacking
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:40:28 No. 692693
>>692689 So you have no more arguments, you backpedalling faggot?
Read a fucking book at least.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:40:35 No. 692694
>>692680 >They were just as much the cause of hunger is say 1891-92 as they were for hunger in USSR, not because they were especially bad people but because they were capitalists and they looked for profit. How about the batraks and srednyaks just work harder and put in overtime hours, then the famine would never have happened and there would be food for everyone.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:41:30 No. 692697
>>692691 >Industrialisation sucked ass for every country that did industrialise Only the communist and third world ones it seems. It worked great for the first world and west that saw an explosive growth of population and economic development. Why?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:42:41 No. 692700
>>692693 What argument are you making though? Giving the kulaks the same importance they had in the 30s is just objectively wrong, but you insist that it isn't?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:43:04 No. 692701
>>692697 >It worked great for the first world Yeah, to the point of bringing life expectancy below that of middle ages.
Sheep eat men.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:43:34 No. 692703
>>692697 Nope. Even in the west you eurocentric faggot. You're literally pulling shit out your ass
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:44:16 No. 692706
>>692701 >Yeah, to the point of bringing life expectancy below that of middle ages Do you have a source for that?
>>692703 >Nope. Even in the west You haven't demonstrated that
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:44:59 No. 692709
>>692679 Actually they had food aid come in from abroad. Even Herbert Hoover was in favor of it.
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During 33, Grain exports also were heavily reduced (from 2.6 million tons to 700k tons if memory serves)
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Your trolling is low quality.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:45:09 No. 692710
>>692697 >Only the communist and third world ones it seems Please open a history book, go to the late 18th century/early 19th century lmao
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:45:50 No. 692713
>>692686 Why are you doing this? Just simply saying sorry would fix jack shit.
Shouldn't you asking apology from Stalin and Mao? What present day commies have relevance to those, aside merely being commies?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:46:04 No. 692714
>>692700 >Giving the kulaks the same importance they had in the 30s is just objectively wrong You literally made no argument to support that position and you made several claims that shows that you are objectively don't know shit what you are talking about. You are literally trying to tell that capitalists who are in control of the food production are not important before collectivization. You don't know what you are talking about. Educate yourself.
<proofs >kulaks were not kulaks before bolsheviks <proofs >Reeee they were not important and you are objectively wrong Fucking dumbass
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:46:09 No. 692715
>>692710 >Please open a history book "History books" propaganda that paint us in a bad light? Yeah no thanks.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:46:54 No. 692720
>>692715 >"History books" propaganda that paint us in a bad light? Of course history would paint porkies and fashoids in the bad light.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:47:05 No. 692721
>>692697 >explosive growth of population In the west you had an explosive growth of workers who died in their younger twenties. In Communist societies, you had an explosive growth of workers who had their life expectancy doubled overtime.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:47:07 No. 692722
>>692716 It did work great, we gave children meaningful work and that kept them out of trouble, street gangs, crime, suffering, etc.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:47:41 No. 692724
>>692716 There are pictures with aftermath of children working on such machinery. Post them too.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:48:42 No. 692728
>>692727 Good for keeping them away from crime, trouble and street gangs.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:48:44 No. 692730
>>692727 fake propaganda drawings created by bolshevik apparatchiks
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:48:54 No. 692732
>>692697 Was this before or after capitalism impoverished the people of africa, asia and latin america
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:50:23 No. 692734
>>692728 >Good for keeping them away from crime, trouble and street gangs. Thats because that was the reality at the time. It was either street urchin gang war life, or a life where they could actually produce money and get paid so they could get off the streets. If child labor didn't exist, there would be millions of starving homeless children suffering for no reason. It was for their own good.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:52:54 No. 692739
>>692735 It's just a stupid troll.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:52:55 No. 692740
>>692722 The people's
People's child labor
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:54:25 No. 692745
>>692726 >Read No thanks commie, written language was invented by (((them))) to destroy the Hyperborean white race with degeneracy
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:54:41 No. 692746
>>692742 >opensocietyfoundations.org You are not even trying
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:57:13 No. 692751
>>692742 They voluntold them to spend their summers doing farm work? That’s it?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:58:39 No. 692756
>>692752 >Books are propaganda Well they are books that expose me, so I don't like them and they hurt my fee fees, and I dismiss it.
Just like the OSF article that exposes you, so you don't like it and it hurts your fee fees, and you dismiss it.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 17:59:43 No. 692757
>>692751 >They voluntold them to spend their summers doing farm work? That’s it? That's not just it. Stalin copulated with a 13 year old girl. Don't forget that too
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:01:16 No. 692759
>>692757 >Switching goalposts Proofs plz
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:02:07 No. 692760
>>692756 >>>article It's literally 2 paragraphs with not a source or reference in sight from a site that glows harder than the fucking sun lmfao
Here's the book bro, have fun
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:08:59 No. 692765
>>692763 This…Ain’t it. A tabloid piece who says that Khrushchev retrieved a document and “this is implied in the memoirs” doesn't really fit the bill as evidence
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:10:49 No. 692768
>>692750 There's a pretty big difference between an un-cited article from a political foundation owned by a billionaire, and one of the most widely acclaimed works of historical scholarship that cites hundreds of primary sources.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:10:59 No. 692769
>>692763 >YOUNG STALIN by Simon Sebag Montefiore Not this shit again lmfao
The proof the guy uses in the book is Soviet intelligence archives and the girl's personal diary, except if you actually read both of those things you find that she doesn't write literally anything about their encounter, and the archives just note they "met eachother". The entire thing is Montefiore writing pedo fiction because he literally began his career writing terrible erotica lmao
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:14:25 No. 692772
>>692769 Do those documents even exist?
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:16:34 No. 692775
>>692769 >The proof the guy uses in the book is Soviet intelligence archives and the girl's personal diary, except if you actually read both of those things you find that she doesn't write literally anything about their encounter, If you don't trust that book you have the DNA test
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:19:41 No. 692781
>>692775 >If you don't trust that book you have the DNA test Links to the actual test please. Not to the tabloid article, but to the actual test where it says who and when and how performed it.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 18:43:14 No. 692823
Easy, there was not alot of food to go around. Let me ask you something, what would happen to the people who are starving in the cities if there was a famine? They rely on the farmers in the countryside to make them their food but because there was a famine there wasn't enough food for both the city and country and so in order to keep their society from collapsing they had to militarize the collection of grain.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 19:01:27 No. 692847
>>692769 Bolsheviks ended famine in Russia.
>>692769 reminder Montefiore is in Epstein's book.
Anonymous 2022-01-15 (Sat) 19:50:20 No. 692883
The goal of communism is no mcdonalds.
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