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6th Edition: 新年快乐！ SEA edition.
Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Elections, open orgs, Ongoing war in Myanmar or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! South Asia and Oceania posters can come in to discuss their regional politics too!
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how to volunteer for the maoists in myanmar?
why are people of Singapore literally allergic to anything disruptive and revolutionary? Are they the ideal capitalist nation where nobody voices dissent?
singapore is a shithole dictatorship of the middle class, which also answers the other anon's question
It's a wealthy city-state and perhaps the closest example to Aristotle's politeia
that exists today. They have a large and competently staffed bureaucracy with a distributed power structure. The state repressive institutions use mass surveillance and raids to eliminate any threats to the status quo.
Probably just taking a flight to southern China before walking into Myanmar. I heard most of their strongholds exist in that region.>>718121
Decades of the Li family and PAP buttfucking.
The reasons why Singapore isn't revolutionary is the same why all First World countries aren't revolutionary. A defanged labour movement (a literal ex-general is the head of the trade union congress), manufactured consent and cultural hegemony (The only state owned media empire has so much investments into other that they don't even need to sell their trademark newspaper to survive), a white collar labour aristocracy (bulk of workers are so-called PMETs) that isn't even unionized, delusions of meritocracy (I wrote about it in https://newmultitude.org/singapore-let-they-who-reject-meritocracy-cast-the-first-stone/
).People do voice out their dissent, in fact 39% of the population voted against PAP in an election that the latter rigged to maximize their chances (also pic related).
Singapore is unique but not special. I find discussions around Singapore to be rather cringe inducing because not only does these discussions lack nuance in Singapore's position in history and politics, but also the people holding them lacking nuances in their own political outlook. I desperately want change in this country, even if it is a lukewarn pink tide, if it means the narratives that so many use Singapore for will be shattered.
The one thing that is uniquely Singaporean is its lack of a left wing or even any intelligentsia. It is the one thing I resent Westerners and envy Latin America. Without a functional left wing intelligentsia or bohemians, this country doesn't have basic theoretical understanding of politics, let alone shit like socialism and marxism. As much as people in this website love to whine and moan about the antics of the so called middle class leftists, they are the only ones even willing to understand socialism and anarchism, holding the theoretical bedrock that any left wing movements need to rely on. We don't have such a luxury in here since Operation Spectrum. New Naratif, Wake Up Singapore and their adjacents could be the intelligentsia I am seeking, but even ITT I hear my countrymen criticize and nitpick their rather admittedly radlib tendencies (shout out to Khan for killing this well btw). It also doesn't help that most potential intelligentsia are either subsumed into the new aristocracy (see tje NM article) or they just leave the country and never come back.
What this brain drain and chilling effect ensures that no new cultural, intellectual or artistic movement or trends will ever come out of Singapore. I have lamented to anyone who would listen this island is a graveyard, a scrapyard, an asylum. People, ideas, things come here to die. That isn't to say that there are things here worth exporting (like Singlish and its fusion cuisine and arts), but the people capable of doing so either left the country or look down on native culture. I suspect the whole of SEA is the same with their hollowed out intelligentsia. This region is truly the dustbin of the Earth.
How was everyone's Chinese New Year?
The Qing should've rejected opium.
The Qing committed suicide. Nothing of value was lost with their death.
I'm flattered but are we really relevant to SEA discussion?
West Papua/Papua border is literally a straight line in the middle of nowhere and is the boundary between SEA and Oceania.
Besides that West Papuan guerrillas fighting against Indonesia have some backing from Papua new Guinea (people residing in there, not the government).
Indonesia is as much of a multi-regional country as any colonial powers before it. West Papua is a colony for the mining magnates of Australia and Indonesia. Timor Leste would be in the same position if they got their way and wiped out the natives in the late 90s early 00s.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, I was just saying that Paupa, geographically, isn't part of SEA.
i remember when jbj earnt enough money, say x dollars from his law practice, ah kong used to sue him for x+1 dollars and send him lim kopi
and this happened regularly
wonder what kenneth jeya is upto now
Are the Philippines Asia or Oceania? They are an Austronesian people.
Wtf happened again? Was it another idpol drama? I swear they really can’t do anything grassroots with so much restrictions.>>738822
If we’re following genetics or anthropology SEA as a region is a mix of everything surrounding it. From the pacific austronesian to the East Asian. Maybe that’s what makes us unique. We’re a bit of everything, yet a whole different category on our own.
It’s also served historically as a buffer region for other world and regional powers. With no empire powerful enough to fully subjugate the region without stretching themselves too thinly.
philiphino seem to mostly lack the north east asian genes
vietnam meanvvhile seems to be in the middle
this is some really important shit
>>740701>Wtf happened again? Was it another idpol drama?
It is from the same saga but now it is escalated since people must to go to court about it.
wp was never dem cen, because they were scared the pap would call them commies
unlike the pap which itself IS demcen with a proper vanguard structure and party cadres and front orgs and calls its members comrades
>>740706>dat genetic diversity in the malacca straits
Very interesting graph. Sauce?
Vietnamese is in that weird region of the south of east Asia, but not in the cultural region of Southeast Asia. In human terms it was due to the millennium of northern domination and the blood rivalries with Champa.>>741210
Yeah calling them anyway near democratic centralism is a big stretch. They’re in theory a grassroots opposition to PAP but in organizing praxis is more like PAP than they want to admit
So, it's food magick?
But WP also have party cadres too. People can't really join as members, they have to be invited in after volunteering. Even then members have to voted to be cadres by other members (or cadres, I am not so sure.)>>742270
It is like tossing a salad together with people.
That’s such a complicated salad. Must be fun to prepare with friends and family. Although it has not as much meat or protein for my preference.>>742349
Isn’t that just normal inner party politics? You can’t just subscribe into a party easily except for being a donor or lobbyist.
You can add raw salmon or abalone for the protein.
> Isn’t that just normal inner party politics?
Aren’t other parties start with dues-paying members who vote in others in higher positions?
Castro was a really cool guy. He visited the south even during the time when the fighting was fierce. >>743991
Abalone is good but so so overpriced for what it essentially is. A mollusk with some distinctive flavor profiles.>Aren’t other parties start with dues-paying members who vote in others in higher positions?
That’s kinda how a lot of communist party functions including the CPV. You have a training and vetting period by some low level party recruiter. At the point of joining you commit about 1% of your wage income for party fees. To rise in rank it’s up to the local level of party org (Soviet/council) to vet for you in votes.
The election in the Philippines is so chaotic.>>744541
Unless you’re a full time paid employee of the imperialist intelligence agencies, doing this type of sectarian suicide is hilariously idiotic. Just why? What do one hope to gain from this type of shit?
this is why we must reject Burgers
X-post from Newsanonhttps://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/thai-royalists-call-government-expel-amnesty-international-country
Lol this won’t happen because Amnesty international’s branch in Thailand is made to attack Vietnam and China. It’s basically another mouthpiece for the region blacksite. Yellow shirts are seriously retarded. It’s literally a shot in their own foot.
Nothing is permanent
Being schizo is worse in America tbh, I've read Africans and Indians don't really suffer from the voices as much as they have a friendlier disposition. The delusions of American schizophrenia tend to be violent and evil.
STERVEN STERVEN STERVEN STERVEN STERVEN STERVEN, COMMIS! SCHROEF JULLIE ALLEMAAL! JE BENT AL DOOD!
Lol imagine accusing people of being a commie because they reveal corruption and has the name Castro. Clown world.>>757136
It’s the drugs they use like opioids that make outbursts more sporadic.
jesus christ, where the hell do i find an actual map of the new capital project in Kalimantan?
Whenever I hear about this Ukrainian intervention, I always get reminded of Timor/Seroja. Where and how does it differ?
Also what are your stances? I back Russia.
You mean Ons sal lewe ons sal sterwe, lad?
Don’t jokowi and the government site post anything about that? Weird.>>778824
The first is that it doesn’t involve as much genocide as in Timor. However it was similar in that both were attempts to create political stability with a good old war to unite the population behind nationalism.
Well classic ML will always back Russia. I critically supported it just because Ukraine is somehow even more corrupt than Russia.
Putinshills and Tankies can get free ropes. Here Junta gov is killing everyone who don't agree to them, and cause refugee flooding Thail border.https://www.voanews.com/a/myanmar-s-military-council-supports-russia-s-invasion-0f-ukraine/6458527.html
Mehhh, I am full on 'no war but the class war' but I will echo whatever the Russian and Ukrainian Left decide.
Not likely our critical support matters anyway.
>Singapore to impose sanctions on Russia, including bank transactions https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1498222779673497600?s=20&t=9Y5wTbFHisciLWg1rYTS3A
Is Singapore the first SEA country to not be neutral about this?
Thai democracy activists sign up to fight 'tyranny' in Ukrainehttps://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2273375/thai-activists-sign-up-to-fight-tyranny-in-ukraine>Far-off Thailand might not seem an obvious place for recruits to Ukraine's efforts to raise an international volunteer force to defend against Russia's invasion.
>But for former Thai Air Force conscript turned political activist Chanaphong "Ball" Phongpai, the cause is a natural fit for members of the pro-democracy movement that emerged in 2020 to protest a military-backed government in the Southeast Asian country.
>Chanaphong, 28, said he felt upset for the Ukrainian people, particularly after reports of Russian attacks on civilians.
>"I have been involved in demanding democracy in my country … and opposing tyranny," Chanaphong told Reuters in an interview.
>"They (Ukrainians) are also fighting for democracy and are now invaded by a superpower and a tyrant, so I asked myself what I can do for them," he said.
>Chanaphong and five friends visited the Ukrainian embassy in Bangkok on Wednesday (March 2) and met with a staff member there after registering on a site gathering information on potential recruits.
Libs are fucking stupid to a suicidal degree. My god. At least finish fighting your own country’s actually existing right wing military dictatorship first before going abroad to simp for nazis!
Reminder not to criticize the thai crown.
Reminder we got DDOSed for hosting thai content during the protests.
>>818615>willing to fight against a foreign oppressor>unwilling to fight against a domestic one
>>818615>fight for your ideals abroad because you can't win at home
not rare at all from a historical perspective desu, socialists did and do likewise
Super fucked up what he did earlier in life (though he probably didn't know exactly what was coming, naive student + Indonesia was legit worse than anything else the CIA pulled) but I don't really see how it should change my evaluation of his scholarly work one way or the other.
That makes it even better. We should shit on that gay retard that lives in Germany and his general handler more.>>818962>willing to fight against a foreign oppressor<Thailand is going to be invaded by Russia any day now
This is your brain on liberalism.
Hello SEAsian, do you guys see revolutionary potential in Myanmar/Burma? I saw that even the Comunist Party there took up arms and declared a protracted people's war.
Singapore is autistic. More news at 7.
But seriously though, the war doesn’t have much effect on the region in general except for the increase in oil prices. Most Russian corporations that dealt with Asia has already secured underhanded tactics to circumvent traditional US sanctions using local shell companies.
That’s not even mentioning the fact that Vietnam and Laos are low key pro Russia out of soviet nostalgia. Cambodia, Thailand and Myanmar are outwardly following China’s direction. With Indonesia and Brunei being a partner to both major powers mentioned. It’s best in the short term for these countries to wait for the war to end to continue business as usual with the victor.>>846826>first pic
I think he’s talking about the future warming scenario in which Siberia will become the breadbasket of the entire planet as Asian and African agriculture collapsed because of the heat and unpredictable extreme weather events.
>>846826>only Russia can feed the Global South
BASED. Keep your EST. 1917 legacy up!
We are just more vulnerable victims to international trends honestly.
dumbest fucking thing i’ve ever seen
Absolutely not. If anything China is a prime example of how not to do soft power.
Being antagonistic towards everyone for your “ancestral clay” is a retarded way to do soft power. Especially with neighbors that basically mirror you politically. Hell even India would have better standing with China if they had find a better way through diplomacy rather than just illegally building infrastructure to goal the dumbass modist hinduvas into a fight.
As is just bribing everyone with your money without changing their political stances at all. All China want to do is trade, sometimes for their private sector rather than the SOEs. Which led them to shaking hands with tons of pro US ultra reactionary assholes. Someone with deeper pockets or stronger economic incentives can outbid you.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/thai-airlines-april-fools-tweet-prompts-royal-insult-complaint-to-police>Thai Vietjet's official account tweeted on April 1 that the airline was launching a new international route between the Thai province of Nan and Munich in Germany, which stirred online anger and threats of boycotts among ultra-royalists.
Thai people really have no chill.
bumping my favorite regional
There's no vanguard around here region. There's only bunch of hypocrites SEA monke niqqas. They should shill for China than root for rotten anglos envoys.
In short, this is nothingburger region where the maoists failed & underground left wing movements got btfo outsmarted by feds anti guerillas measures. You'll see nothing around this part. Asia Balkans won't affect anything whatsoever.
>>913634>Asia Balkans won't affect anything whatsoever.
1st island chain? The US will be extremely eager to manipulate local politics just like what they have done over the past decades… to serve for its own benefit ofc
Do you guys still have proper opium fields or have the militias all switched to synthetic fentanyl like they have in the western hemisphere?
very good analysis, comrade. want to lim kopi?
>>913634>There's no vanguard around here region.
Basically. We should’ve invaded and occupied everything down to Singapore when we had the chance in the 80s. Fuck the economy. Fuck the contras. And fuck China for sucking Nixon’s cock.>They should shill for China than root for rotten anglos envoys.
That’s like choosing breast cancer to brain cancer. Then again it was the Qing’s negligence and later RoC/PRC complete failure in doing any good foreign relations that caused sinophobia to be entrenched in the region.>Asia Balkans won't affect anything whatsoever.
Hey we’re less racist and fearful of gaysex than balkucks.
You jest but I do worry if and when they make me lim kopi.>>913634>They should shill for China than root for rotten anglos envoys.
I am on Team 'Both Sides Bad'. Honestly we should form an united bloc that is like EU if it means our region won't be pushover. As for the strength of the Left I do think there is a rising pink tide in the region coming soon. Malaysia had their first liberal(ish) government, while Indonesia is being ruled by succdem-lite party.
Hey, we represent a very important part of the world. Naval trade goes through us, we collectively have the 3rd population of the world and fertile land.
Is there any reason Vietnam should remain a sovereign state instead of joining with China in a federation? The political systems of the two countries are identical and it would solve all the territorial disputes. Laos and Cambodia can become autonomous regions of Vietnam too.
The last time they ruled Vietnam a few hundred years ago they caused a genocide. Today they still act like racist pompous fuckwads to everyone not them. See the fact that cried about their missile frigate being “bullied” by tiny wooden fish vessels. They never wanted anything other than complete and utter domination. Under Hu Jintao the chance of friendship was possible but that ship has sailed.
Xi is all about “national revivalism” now. Which historically translated to Tang and Ming dynasty level of colonialism.
Chinaboos in the SEA thread is my favorite thing.
Half the enterprises in Vietnam are just Chinese companies evading sanctions.
Yeah yeah I heard it often we literally Afghanistan in Asia. We defeated the French, the Americans, & the Chinese. And don't forget we Yuon also colonized Cambodia instead turning entire Indochina region into something similar like Yugoslavia, but we failed to do so.
And now majority of Vietnoys simping for Russia where their economy's just as big as Texas. It's not even worth to support anymore. They failed to conquer Ukraine by soft power (cuz Russia is not the master of soft power like China). They should've try to turning Ukrainians into their allies, not waging war at them.Not to mention we got so many connections of trades from Ukraine cuz the West whether you like it or not still got stable economy than the rest of the world>>924792
Who the hell you gonna choose between Anglos & China? Anglos are failing, meanwhile China's the leading forces of both economically & soon military through its modern technology. If Taiwan got annexed, you bunch of bureaucrats better start to adopt China's system than others irrelevant system (such as Vinfast or the Chaebols in South Korea). >>925459>Half the enterprises in Vietnam are just Chinese companies evading sanctions.
Yeah cuz fuck sanctions, nobody fucking wants it unless goddamn NATO & the Great Satan. Hell China also could be the next NATO in Asia & persuade those European NATO into joining us against the Americans. Cuz screw with irredentism & revanchism, especially among us entire Vietnoys population who simp for Russia.
Bla-bla-bla, no we're purely neutral, we don't pick a side, at least we better than Indogs scums or Malays scums or Singapore retard or Pinoys scums or or or [REDACTED].
>>918884>Basically. We should’ve invaded and occupied everything down to Singapore when we had the chance in the 80s. Fuck the economy. Fuck the contras. And fuck China for sucking Nixon’s cock.
Yeah sure let's do that, an awesome blunder we made in Cambodia. No wonder they hate us Yuon so much. >>800692>>846822
Least sane Singapore post
You know what Lee Kuan Yew is just a benevolent dictator that tried to leverage economy's of their own cuz every sane people knows that it's useless against the Americans & Europeans. Cuz we failed everywhere & got btfo by the Sino-Soviet split.
We either adopt like Vinfast, the Chaebols in SK, or try learn a thing or two from China. We must. You can't have democracy in Asia, especially in SEA region where full of SEA monkeys should've realize that China will save their asses. And no war in Ukraine, screw with Vietnoys stupid attitude & their irredentism revanchism characteristics.
Holy mother of cope
Sharts just pushed all of Eurasia closer together with their trying to police China and India from buying Russian oil.
What do they gain for it? A bombed out shithole that was already a shithole before the war.
>>925584>You know what Lee Kuan Yew is just a benevolent dictator that tried to leverage economy's of their own cuz every sane people knows that it's useless against the Americans & Europeans
Bullshit, the independence movement was running on an anti-colonial high. LKY sabotaged the left wing of his party because they simply didn't want to play along with his every whims and demands. He actively sought British cooperation in all manners even before his left wing faction went off to form their own party.
The Sino-Soviet didn't even affect SEA geopolitics that much anyway, wtf? SEA geopolitics is constantly made worse precisely because they didn't resist the Americans and Europeans enough, now China is stepping in to split the region (and ethnics) apart.
>>925567>Who the hell you gonna choose between Anglos & China? Anglos are failing, meanwhile China's the leading forces of both economically & soon military through its modern technology. <muh Anglos
Never like the Americans or British but your /pol/tism is showing. Choosing sides in an inter imperialist conflict always end badly for the one that do so. All those countries that did so during WW1 are now in the dust bin of history. Hell all the movements China supported in the Cold War and currently are largely extremely right wing like the Hungarians and the Polish. It’s better to just wait it out and leverage both sides for your own benefits.>If Taiwan got annexed, you bunch of bureaucrats better start to adopt China's system than others irrelevant system (such as Vinfast or the Chaebols in South Korea).
You literally don’t know shit about Vietnam and it’s economy you dumb faggot. Vinfast and other local corporations are in essence the same bullshit as Chinese corporations like Evergrande which makes the majority of their profits from monopolizations of housing development and the real estate rush of the 90s. They never got out of it despite so many attempts at diversification. Vietnam as it currently is is just China but slightly less pushy policy wise due to possessing a smaller sphere of influence. Red capitalism doesn’t get along well with each other.
It’s literally the main reason why china would prefer a right wing ultranationalist regime taking power here because they’re easier to bribe with money.>>925459
I would say 30%. During the autistic Trump economic wars, Vietnamese business found that its was better to just move out of 3rd Party China proxy and take western contracts for their own because it was more profitable.
Tracking this using FDI stats both Singapore and South Korea have more investment stakes in Vietnam.https://www.statista.com/statistics/1208420/vietnam-number-of-fdi-projects-by-country-and-territory/>>925837
It didn’t resist Americans enough because almost all SEA communist insurgents turned to Maoism in the 60s then failed spectacularly. This is the direct result of the sino soviet split, if you failed to realize this you would be incredibly naive. Indonesia was even dumber than that when the PKI tried to jumped on the Sukarno neutralist bandwagon and was annihilated for it.
In the end it wasn’t guerrilla warfare that won against the imperialists but combined arms and espionage. >>925584>Blunder in Cambodia
You mean the war when China directly funded a genocide and a dollar store lebensraum at the behest of Jimmy Carter? Yeah that’s our fault because reasons. Kys.>LKY worship
Peak dengoid cringe
>>925932>All the communists here turned to Maoism if you don't count the biggest one in existence
Also idk about the others, but Malaya communists were already fighting the Japanese with guerrilla warfare and were mainly chinese so the transition to Maoism seems seamless.
And the Singapore socialists went the democratic struggle route and failed too.
>>925951>Malaya communists were already fighting the Japanese with guerrilla warfare and were mainly chinese so the transition to Maoism seems seamless.
The more you read up on the Malayan emergency the more tragic it got. The MCP guerrilla was destroyed by the Achilles’ heel of that strategy. Infiltration a cointerpro. During ww2 the entire leadership of the MCP was wiped out due to them trusting their GS Lai Tek.>being Chinese tying with Maoism
Yeah I don’t think there’s a clear connection between it. The Malayan socialist movement started with Chinese diaspora but latter through trade unions spread out further. The only direct policy that Mao took in that same timeframe was to further create a wedge between the Chinese and Malay working class.
I am desperate for news updates on the Communist Party of Burma comrades
Shit's fucked. What's more is there to say?
Invade which country exactly? Whichever the case, it would suck for the Chinese diaspora here that will have their allegiance questioned even more than usual.
What leads you to say that?
Yeah shit like pogroms or deportation could be on the table again. But that’s usually for China’s own benefit.>>929098
Depends on who they attack but I’ll always lead to either a dragged out inconclusive blood bath or a lopsided victory. Both will not be in both parties’ benefits.
I live here. "Shit's fucked" captures the SEA Left's mood.
Shit seems to be popping off in Burma, literally teeming with national liberation fronts, clandestine China-backed communist party…
These are excellent conditions for proletarian revolution for that populace.
You just sound generally depressed and disinterested.
Not to mention the already existing people's state (within a state): Wa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wa_State
The Communist Party of Burma which was stationed in Yunnan, China before last year's right-wing military coup entered civil-war struck Myanmar, has with the aid of the Kachin Independence Army in Kachin State (which border of China) entered Myanmar and are presently, presumably deploying clandestine operations via the CPB's army - the People's Liberation Army: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachin_Independence_Army#2021-presenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_(Myanmar)#2021_reemergence
In February 2022 alone Kachin Independence Army killed 200 junta soldiers. All across Myanmar regional people's liberation fronts are doing the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%932022_Myanmar_insurgency
This is far from a depressing situation and I wish for more people in here to follow these developments closer.
But those guerilla movements in Myanmar/Bruma have been fighting the same war for 60 years only to stalemate, what's different now?
What's different is that pretty much the whole country is against it's government (a far-right military junta which was previously represented by only a handful of seats in parliament).
Sounds amazing. >>933348>This is far from a depressing situation and I wish for more people in here to follow these developments closer.
Yes please! I know nothing of this area and it is really nice that shit is popping.
Wars and events like this don't get covered much here because almost nothing about it is written in English, anyone that can speak the language can't be bothered, and even using translators nobody has the first clue of what's trustworthy.
This guy is from Myanmar and posts a load of footage from there, to the point I added him as a friend just so his posts are highlighted for me. Some are also using 3D printed guns which is kinda cool although their first run used the short barrels that are fashionable which was unfortunate as you can squeeze a few more inches out of them before you're wasting length, though they listened when someone pointed this out which was cool.
Unrelated but I got banned from combatfootage for bullying some suspiciously pro-Ukraine and Nazi denialist Canadian kek
Any news would be good. I don't know as much because I can't read their language/
"They feel like hip-hop is a platform for them to speak from their hearts…"
★Rapper and community activist “Eleven Finger” aka “Book” has been arrested after he allegedly threw 2 home-made bombs over the gates of the 1st Infantry Regiment in Bangkok, Thailand; which houses the residence of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha. Both bombs ignited, but no injuries were reported. He is from the Khlong Toey 'ghetto' area of Bangkok and has been attempting to bring the people of the area together via Hip-Hop.
★Eleven Fingers: 17-year-old-rapper uniting Khlong Toey through hip-hop and talking about mutual aid in poor communities. 4.00mins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6txKpQ0glEM
★KLONGTOEY my City - Elevenfinger (Prod. Dj.Henri): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7bePpBrvSw
good, solidarity i guess>>933335
sounds too good to be true natlib is a waste of time
yangon is too deindustrialised to have a robust working class burma will continue to have retarded army guys arresting london educated neolib PMCs till the heat death of the sun
do we have a burna thread? :00000
>>937792>monarchy apologia channel
Lol fuck off contrarian lib. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtaFY4Ybm-4
Yo wtf, just found out that the christian guitarist is a Singaporean. God I fucking hate the local Christians so much. They always invade public space with their bullshit.
Oh the nostalgia. That song don’t get sung much anymore but I always hear the instrumental early in the morning. A lot of songs are kinda forgotten because they’re “politically inconvenient”.
Just got so blasted in the unification/May Day celebration lol>>941914
Never thought to see Jokowi do a full pro Ukraine. So much for that neutrality I guess. Once a western puppet always a western puppet.
Happy Hari Raya Puasa guys. Thanks for the 4 day weekend.
Minal aidin wal faidzin!
Discussion around immigration on this website and many online political spaces always confuse me, because of the magnitude of immigrants within the country. Like how much immigrants comprise of your society? 5%? 10%? Singapore has 39% of the whole population being non-citizens, 30% if you exclude permanent residents. And that's not even considering the naturalized/first generation citizens over the born and raised citizens (and tbf some permanent residents). And yet, discussions about immigration isn't that high a priority since 2010, nor is it being used to constantly feed radicalization on the Right while browbeating the Left. But why? Why don't my country has its own Nagle shaming the leftists for their positions on immigration and migrant rights, and why does my very not left or even centre left PAP keep inviting people in with such a open borders policy?
A few reasons. One is that the majority of this country are diaspora from China and India. Especially for the former, chinese migration to SEA was due to war and economics, similar to the Irish immigration wave to America. Unlike white people in Americas and AUSNZ, the diaspora can't pretend to be indigenous to this island, especially when the very real and alive native Malay population in Singapore and Malaysia have inclination of such chauvinism themselves. Therefore, any blood and soil nationalism and nativism can't ferment in Singapore to denounce the current migrants since a) the bulk of this country's ancestors were these migrants and b) the right wing nationalists in Malaysia are welcome to appropriate such rhetoric for their own ends.
Another reason is people's hypocritical approach to foreign labour. In Singapore, there is a term called bifactured labour to demostrate how we treat two types of labour, skilled and unskilled labour. The usually white, university educated 'foreign talent' are very free to form their own enclaves, working high paying jobs, gentrifying the area around them, raise property prices while the usually bangladesh 'foreign labour' live in dormitories (locked up during pandemic) work the low level jobs. India and Chinese migrants are usually in-between. The natives here usually criticize the 'foreign talent' for undercutting wages and raising living costs and seek laws to undermine them, while willfully ignoring the later despite their similar effect on the economy and jobs. This is because the bulk of Singapore workers already are labour aristocrats (Professionals, Managers, Executives and Technicians make up 57% of the workplace in 2018) who are only protecting their own interests, rather than protecting Singapore workers in general. Despite their fire and brimestone in here or in the West, I doubt these declining labour aristocrats are willing to do the jobs the foreign 'labour' are already doing, only the jobs the 'foreign talent' are. Of course, the Singapore Left does critique both forms, so they are more appealing than these nationalists and nativists.
Which brings me to the most essential point, is that the economics of the globalized capitalism simply demands massive immigration. Even attempts to curb foreigners in the local labour markets are rifle with abuses. Too many 'trainees' waiters and service workers, too many HR departments overrun with foreign talents. Porkies, local or foreign, will always need immigrants to do things either locals can't do or can't afford to do. I personally know a piglet who says that he hires foreigners for his blue collar jobs because no locals are applying, so when I found out his offered pay is really low, I accused him of using foreigners to cheat the hand of the free market. It should be obvious to anyone looking in the foreign labour situation in Singapore that porkies can and always easily circumvent the barriers put up to stop them from hiring cheap labour. Especially in a bourgeois democracy where they make the rules anyway.
That isn't to say the Singapore Left (or what counts as it) is perfect on the position on immigration. The local succdem leader basically went to the chamber of commerce (national porky central) last year to shame the state for signing unfair FTAs and corporations abusing local labour laws for fostering nativism and xenophobia. I personally feel it was too conciliatory to these people. Too little discussion around how to protect workers interests and how to prevent immigration from undercutting wages from all sectors of work, but tbf with the state of trade unions, I can understand their reluctance to do so.
Anyway the main takeway I want to make is that 'politicizing' this immigration issue is stupid. Call it globalhomo, neoliberalism, replacement theory, open borders etc etc, if you have captialists operating on the profit motive, the cheap labour must flow. Harping on the finer policies a bourgeois democracy can curb immigrants is pointless, one must curb the ability of the bourgeoisie to profit from immigration itself in order to disincentivize it. 釜底抽薪
Also slightly unrelated, but speaking as a 4th gen 'yes, this is my grandfather's road' Chinese diaspora (one person even accuse my lineage as aristocratic), I have to say 1st gen and 2nd gen citizens have wildly cringe and retarded views on national politics. I was on a blind date with a 2nd gen citizen who complains about china expats, only to unironically change the subject and ask me if her Malaysian father would be upset for being so xenophobic. I almost did a spit take before I said yes. Another was a conversation on a facebook page where a 1st gen citizen (born in China) told a malay that Malay shouldn't be the national language and be replaced with English. It feels like these people are trying too hard (or not at all) to be Singaporean like it is a performance.
Idk maybe my interaction with these people is rather limited, but I am genuinely wary and dismissive of new and 2nd gen citizens lately.
Based. Good effortpost
Or maybe because Asians aren't nearly half as racist as whypp
Euroids love to pose as this cosmopolitan liberal democratic people but they're by far the most racist ones. I'm Arab diaspora in Europe and even lost count the amount of times I was discriminated, Eastern Europe is basically a no-go zone for ppl who look like me (including even Italians, Greeks and Spanish)
>>952821>Or maybe because Asians aren't nearly half as racist as whypp
It kinda depends. Like Latin Americans and Balkans, Asians are way more racist towards their close neighbors than outsiders. Hell every single East Asian countries within the Sinosphere bitterly hate each other.>>951754
The spectacle of nationalism. None of it truly makes sense. Take the Vietnamese creation myth for instance. The stories of Hùng kings that lasted 2000 years with each Kong’s somehow living for more than 200 years. It’s a complete ripoff of Chinese ethnic oral stories and a patchwork of other ancient novels stuck together using a bunch of duck tape by Lý and Trần dynastic historians. Yet they hold huge significance culturally while being completely inaccurate.
It’s because most of our real history got wiped out in the millennium of Chinese colonialism and assimilation. Even the written language had to be rebuilt from scratch. The myth was made to later emboldened nationalism and independence.>>951741>Anyway the main takeway I want to make is that 'politicizing' this immigration issue is stupid.
In the end it’s a very Eurocentric issue stemming from the cultural intolerance of Europe throughout their history of imperialism. Rarely did they ever take the subjects from their colonies to live in the home country. For your case The British always kept the Malayan people at arms length with a leash. So with the advent of neoliberalism and it’s necessitation of an ever increasing influx of globalized labor, or even the very direct results of warhawk imperialism, the Eurocentric and racist heritage got stuck behind. The closest approximation I can draw from the western migrant question in our area might be Japan.
Japan knows it needs more migrant workers else its population will collapse. Yet it still hesitant due to cultural baggage of being an ex-genocidal imperialist power.
Jesus christ you live in the actual philippines? My condolences. How christian brained are people over there?
It's not Christian brained that's the problem. Everyone's Western, neoliberal, colonized brainrot. Everyone here wants to be white. There's literally not a country more cucked from colonization and politics than this region and this country. All the major leftist forces are basically RELYING on the electoral system for power, despite it cheating against them every single time. It's a hellhole.
I would say a Maoist insurgency is pretty non-electoral
what does SEA thinks of Japan? Based or cringe? can they go back to their old nationalist retarded ways or is anime and nuclear bomb changed them forever?
The NPA has, unfortunately to the dismay of many, has an increasingly weakening presence in the country. It's also in shambles and splintering into many groups. It is very weak right now and the majority are convinced they are just terrorists. Not glowing here, just saying what I have observed and listened from my other leftist friends.
The NPA hasn’t been relevant since the 1990s honestly. The only people still pinning hopes on their sporadic attacks are foreign Maoists thinking a contained forever war is something equal to victory. People’s war as a tactic is woefully outdated by this point it’s not even funny. The neoliberals have perfected counter guerrilla with urbanization ever since the early 70s.>>963429>Everyone's Western, neoliberal, colonized brainrot.
Wow that’s even worse than I thought. Turns out you guys have the same issue as Latin America (which is not much of surprise considering both were Spanish colonies before turning into American colonies).>Everyone here wants to be white.
Wait what? Like they want to copy western culture and aesthetics? This is completely new to me since all this time I would think that Filipino nationalism still exist somewhat and not be diminished to this extent.> All the major leftist forces are basically RELYING on the electoral system for power, despite it cheating against them every single time.
Currently which party is the most far left?
>>964935>People’s war as a tactic is woefully outdated by this point it’s not even funny. The neoliberals have perfected counter guerrilla with urbanization ever since the early 70s.
Bullshit. Even the DoD disagrees with this. If a protracted people's war fails it is becaus eit was applied incorrectly.
>>964942>it’s always true, unless when it isn’t, then it’s your fault!!!!!
There comes a time when you realize literally the only success people’s war had was half a decade ago and 99% of it is failure. When any theory is proven to fail whenever turned into praxis 99% of the time then it’s wrong dude. Coping about your 1k group in the back woods fighting a war that lasted a billion years isn’t healthy.
Come back to me when you read all about the Tet Offensive and the Phoenix program. Hell the legacy it left behind in Latin America or the ending of the Malaya emergency. Tactics and strategy evolved, Maoism was left behind in the dustbin of history. Very much like propaganda of the deed.
I meant the strategy in general. I'm not even a maoist specifically. Clearly they fucked up.
>>964935>This is completely new to me since all this time I would think that Filipino nationalism still exist somewhat and not be diminished to this extent.
Filipino nationalism is, like many nationalisms that's used by the ruling classes in other colonized countries, just an excuse to cuck out to Westerners. It's never about the country or the people's traditions as you would see in the First World countries, it's more about "being more like the US", "the UK", or other first world countries. You get the reactionary people who want to be more like the USA because they're powerful and civilized, and you have the liberals who want to be more like the USA because they're democratic and progressive.
As for the splinter groups, you're better off asking others, all I know it isn't as a tight group as most people say. The most far left party in the mainstream is Ka Leody's party, but I guess Sison's CPP is the farthest left for obvious reasons. There are too many parties in this country, all the leftist parties are in one big alphabet soup.
>>965276>all the leftist parties are in one big alphabet soup.
This is why I have so much hatred against liberal multi party politics. In the end it's always the divide between the haves and the havenots. With then parties backed by bourgeoisie having a gigantic coalition of multiple major parties while the leftist position is isolated between hundreds of squabbling minor literalwhos. It's a problem that only got worse over time as more the more vanguard party split happened.>You get the reactionary people who want to be more like the USA because they're powerful and civilized, and you have the liberals who want to be more like the USA because they're democratic and progressive.
No wonder Sison came up with National Democracy as the mainline "Maoism". Then again most of the west nationalism is not even about their culture but more to do with their inherent belief in chauvinism and the "white man's burden of civilization".
In other note, how does labor unions over there function?>>964974
People's war specifically is the name for Maoist guerrilla tactics though. The Cuban Che Guevarra model is very different, as well as the Vietnamese model of guerrilas supported by professional combined arms warfare. Both had their time in the sun battling people's war tactics fighting the UNITA and pol pot respectively.
How are you gonna have a president whose name is fucking Bong Bong preside over the drug war? Smh
Stop with the autistic position taking, anon. You have no sway in any of these things past or present.
guys why is the singapore drug bust a big deal?
i don't understand anything about that place
is it like duerte where the pigs just kill the people instead of giving them treatment?
They give the death penalty to drug trafficking very freely. Even drug mules get the death penalty.
They have no chill, I guess.
Because nothing else really happens on this little red dot, even police officers (of whom many are conscripts) are utterly bored most days.
A drug bust like this is about as exciting as life gets.
is economy good at least? are the living conditions of the people good
are there people without homes there
Well last month was this crazy guy that was slashing people in Bugis and the police shot him.
Like everywhere else, inflation is biting hard, I've been watching prices of foodstuffs increase by up to 20% over the last 6+ months.
Yes there are homeless, though they are relatively few compared to the population, roughly a thousand odd. The government has special rental flats and apartments for those on the low SES, so the country is able to keep homeless rates down to a minimum.
Happy Vesak Day everyone.
How's the gas price though? Here it's been skyrocketting.> The government has special rental flats and apartments for those on the low SES<When a socdem country can deal with homelessness better than red socdem where landlords just buy all affordable housing
Fuck this sucks so hard.
Not sure admittedly, it's been increasing for years though, I'm not sure if there has been a surge recently like for food however.>socdem country
I'm surprised, why do think SG is socdem?
It has been up by at least 15%. Not as bad as the other countries, but most people use public transport anyway>>972691
Tripartitism plus a rather low key welfare state. Huge public sector as well.
It's basically a welfare state funded by port exclusivity and tax haven. A political system with a one party state backing a big public sector.
Funnily enough Singapore is the biggest investment benefactor for Vietnam believe it or not. However the libs here like you guys not because of the welfare but the right wing part of the PAP as well as the harboring of Vietnamese terrorists.
>mfw dry season is here. 36 Celsius.
God I fucking hate the heat.>>982757
Singapore portion checks out. People romanticize our government too much without really knowing how it works
I assume dry season in SEA is less dry and more of a muggy humidity with mosquitos everywhere?
Here it’s still the rainy season. You remember that raining scene in Forrest Gump? Just like that, sometimes the water got knee deep even on the streets. But somehow it’s still hot as hell.>mosquitoes
They’re the size of flies and can go through even blankets. I hate those fuckers so much. Luckily I basically got every diseases transmittable by mosquitoes already from dengue to malaria.
It is always humid with mosquitos but I doubt these fuckers are still around when it won't rain much till September, I literally get woken up by the sheer heat these few days.
it's dry as in NO FUCKING RAINS, also means it's very hot, i hate it here so much, somehow mosquitos are still a problem without rains.
Also an Indonesian high ranking politician just expressed his support of a draft that includes criminalising being lgbtq, this reactionary shit hole keeps on giving
It's amazing how fundamentalism just rots your brain like that. And it's not like the Indonesian lgbt community has any prominence, they are still in hiding, fearing for their life because of the lynch mobs and paramilitary deathsquads still existing since the New Order era.
I once read a medical review about her case. Too bad she got Stockholm syndrom after that.
Her name is Phan Thi Kim Phuc, could at least name her.
I cannot help but thnk if she was a western woman with a western name her name would not have been ignored in this way..
Also, fun fact, this incident was a friendly fire incident.
>>1008780>Her name is Phan Thi Kim Phuc, could at least name her.
was in the file name
Not exactly. Phúc and her family belonged to a sect of highly religious cult called the Cao Đài religion which have deep embeded ties with the south vietnamese puppet regime. Then she made it even worse by converting to an evangelical of the American variety. Like all gusanos, they will be happy to be tortured and murdered by their masters no problem.
>>964935>Wow that’s even worse than I thought. Turns out you guys have the same issue as Latin America (which is not much of surprise considering both were Spanish colonies before turning into American colonies).
LatAm here, i felt his description on a spiritual level.
Also, this thread is very nice. Kinda innactive, but nice still.
wtffff that's grim
If you think that’s grim wait till you read about how the boat people (Vietnamese gusanos) get to America. It’s hilariously classcucked as they were ready to endure absolutely everything from rape to murder just go to Orange county to own a nail polishing/massage parlors. It’s fucking stupid.https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Vietnamese-Memories
Even this comic written from their anti communist perspectives revealed how utterly nonsensical their motivations are.>be famous and well off national volleyball athlete>try to escape anyway >get pregnant for no reason blame the government for it>leave the US to live with rightoids while brainwashing your own kid
Honestly the best of the would be successors. Was the one pushing for gibsmedat in the pandemic. Probably in the left wing of the party.
I pity the Westerners who have to tolerate the gusanos from here. The worst kinds of immigrants there is.
>whines a lot>harps for their original country>don't integrate>probably very conservative>labour aristocrat or petite-bourgois
Hey Vietanon, why is your country opening up again? COVID is still so bad. Isn't it risky?
Oops, I saw "gusanos" and assumed a different origin.
Well most people already got the vaccine shots so the numbers of cases had decreased tremendously. Plus it has more to do with the economy than anything else. Because to market reformists Line go up = Good.
>>1013982>China <Not racist
I would say they are way more intolerant of foreigners than the DPRK.
chiang kai shek would unironically attempt to make china something that resembles the modern ccp
and then utterly fail because the landlords, still surviving warlords, upper classes back the kmt would sabotage any and all of chiangs attempts to the point china would have ended up like INDIA
>>1014040>chiang kai shek
Was a fucking nazi collaborator.
and how does that relate to my argument?
Way fucking worse. Chiang treat the Chinese peasants like cannon fodder. Reminder that he deliberately killed hundreds of thousands of civilians just to slow down the CCP advanced for a few days. He even did worse to the native Taiwanese by ethnically cleansing them. The KMT even occupied the north of Vietnam for a short while towing with them the puppet VKMT.
Also have you seen the territorial claims he made up? Like taking over the Korean Peninsula, taking Mongolia, and North India. Dude is insane. A lot that is bad about Mao and the PRC but the KMT is way worse. They only stopped being a fascist military dictatorship in the 90s because their master America told them to.
>>1014080>Also have you seen the territorial claims he made up? Like taking over the Korean Peninsula, taking Mongolia, and North India. Dude is insane. A lot that is bad about Mao and the PRC but the KMT is way worse. They only stopped being a fascist military dictatorship in the 90s because their master America told them to.
its kinda complicated for one i dont see him doing the economic retardation which caused the great leap forward and cultural revolution. But i do see him strangling the north korean and Vietnamese revolutions. (though he might support the vietnamiese version of the kmt, which existed)
in terms of overall economic development tho lol i predict that he will attempt to follow sun yat sens idea of a modern economy which the ccp did but fail miserably. Since chiang after all relied on the upper class, landlords, and etc for his support and these classes would fuck up any of chiangs economic policies if it goes against them. Not only that while i do see chiang attempting to stop the opium and relatively cultural mess that was 1930s china, i dont see him succeding since a kmt china would be filled with corruption, decentralization and etc
I dont really see him attacking mongolia tho since that would be incredibly stupid. Nor do i think he will attack north india since he would probably rely on the us a lot to dsevelop china and thus wouldnt want to piss of the usa by attacking india
>>1014095>its kinda complicated for one i dont see him doing the economic retardation which caused the great leap forward and cultural revolution.
True. Mao was a good general but a terrible peace time politician. But the again teh Taiwanese economy wasn't doing so hot until the whole 1 country, 2 system with the mainland was re-established which introduced Taiwan (and more specifically their tech manufacturing to the plentiful supply of cheap labor).>But i do see him strangling the north korean and Vietnamese revolutions. (though he might support the vietnamiese version of the kmt, which existed)
No doubt about it. The original VKMT died the the moment the Yen Bai uprising was crushed and Nguyen Thai Hoc got shot out of a cannon. The VKTM that Chiang dragged back into Vietnam was a complete sham made to be a puppet. >while i do see chiang attempting to stop the opium and relatively cultural mess that was 1930s china, i dont see him succeding
Fun fact, the KMT remnant in Burma built the Golden Triangle - the meth and cocain capitital of the world.
>>1014108>teh Taiwanese economy
i mean the taiwaniese economy was massively developing even before that with massive gdp rise, the ten national projects(i think), the taiwaniese version of heavy chemical industrailization and the rural modernization/land reform. Tho like you said i predict that kmt china would stagnate after the massive rise since the cheap labor would dry out eventually
>Fun fact, the KMT remnant in Burma built the Golden Triangle - the meth and cocain capitital of the world.
also i know this is wikiepdia but ehhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Taiwan
check gdp growth rate
The data only got collected in the 80s, where the Chiang government was caving under massive pressures to change. Also USAID like the Marshal plan helped a lot.https://web.archive.org/web/20100202032138/http://www.taiwan.com.au/Polieco/History/ROC/report04.html>It also, with the help of USAID, created a massive industrial infrastructure, communications, and developed the educational system. Several government bodies were created and four-year plans were also enacted. Between 1952 and 1982, economic growth was on average 8.7%, and between 1983 and 1986 at 6.9%. The gross national product grew by 360% between 1965 and 1986. The percentage of global exports was over 2% in 1986, over other recently industrialized countries, and the global industrial production output grew a further 680% between 1965 and 1986. The social gap between the rich and the poor fell (Gini: 0.558 in 1953, 0.303 in 1980), even lower than some Western European countries, but it grew a little in the 80's. Health care, education, and quality of life also improved.
They also get one benefit over Japan because they never got cut off from this investment support. In fact it's still on going. The moment the US cut them off they will face the same lost decade that killed Japan.>Golden Triangle
The history surrounding the area is fucking wild. You should look into it, From the involvement of the KMT using narco money to try and reinvade South China (without any success mind you) to the Ngo Dinh Diem fascist dynasty using it to launder their money.
>>1014121>The data only got collected in the 80s, where the Chiang government was caving under massive pressures to change. Also USAID like the Marshal plan helped a lot.
yeah but i expect the data to be some degree truthful these days especially after the "democratization" and 40 years since the chiang kmt dictatorship
>They also get one benefit over Japan because they never got cut off from this investment support. In fact it's still on going. The moment the US cut them off they will face the same lost decade that killed Japan.
yeah i expect the same thing would happen in kmt china. the initital investment would probably boost chnas economy to some degree but then would collapse badly due to the inherent corruption of any chiang regime. It would even end up like taiwan sk or japan really it would probably end in such a bad way that marcos and suharto did. After all suharto and marcos controlled countries initally had a good economy once the us investment and aid started. But then over time crash and then third party fail state
> The history surrounding the area is fucking wild. You should look into it, From the involvement of the KMT using narco money to try and reinvade South China (without any success mind you) to the Ngo Dinh Diem fascist dynasty using it to launder their money.
>>1014128> It would even end up like taiwan sk or japan really it
it wont even end up like taiwan sk or japan i mean
>>1014129>third party fail state
third world country i mean
>>1008780>was a western woman with a western name
Well obviously. That's basically why every mush brained westoid is all pray for muh Ukraine. If only west Ukrainians weren't white. Putin could legit nuke them like 4 times and there'd be not a peep.
Stuff like this always weird me out immensely. Why does a large percentage of asians in the west take up a westernized naming convensions? This is largely not the case for Africans and Middle Easterners.
Some of the Chinese diaspora have their English name welded to the front of their Chinese name like John Tan Xiao Ming/林小明.
The worst version of that is keeping only one part of your name asian like a random suffix. For instance shit like Eric Wang or Johnny Chu.
What? That random suffix is their surname. Usually people with both names will only write their English portion of their name in English and Chinese portion in Chinese
So it will be ‘Hello, I am John Tan.’ Or ‘你好，我是林小明。’.
The real problematic part is when some don’t use their full name in an ‘official’ capacity like on Linkin, Facebook or video chats. Most people who only use their English name in Facebook always seem to have the worst takes.
>>1015918>write their English portion of their name in English
write or say their
As a Burger, it was always somewhat interesting to me that the large majority of East Asians I've met have used English given names (e.g. "John Wang" or "Mary Kim"), but almost all the South Asians I've met use names of Hindu or Muslim origin. I don't think it has anything to do with a desire to be "Westernized." Also, my mother teaches international students at a university, and at least some of the Chinese ones use Western names. My working theory is that in Chinese culture (and maybe in the other cultures of the Sinosphere), it's long been common for people to use different names in different contexts (a birth name with family, an adult name with strangers, a pen name in writings, etc.), so East Asians don't feel uncomfortable adopting a different name that's easier for Americans to pronounce. Religion may also play a role, since very few South Asian immigrants in this country are Christians but many East Asian immigrants are, but I know a Chinese guy from a Muslim family who uses an English given name, so religion isn't the whole story.
Funny you mention the flexibility in naming - I use whatever fucking name I want over here. Very often, I have made the mistake of using an alias and it's given me headaches down the road, actually.
It's fun - I highly recommend it, especially for illegal shit.
DPP historiography loves to attribute this to Japanese Colonialism. Basically they say that Japanese built everything and that Chiang was just a free rider.
When will Indonesia collapsing or bankrupt?Seriously Aceh Free Movement & Papua Free Movement won't enough. If anything I rather see China or Australia annex Indonesia into two different territory. Ngl this is the most worst 3rd world country in the SEA region.
If any China glowies or Aussie glowies saw this post, please in upcoming battle for your hegemony just take control full of Indonesia islands cuz they're ruled by assholes & scums natives.>>754156
Schizonesia should've gone into oblivion
haphazardly redraw maps you say?PAGING DR. SHAY
wow this is some next level cope
>>754156>All countries from SEA
Holy shit now I know what the S in SEA stands for!
That's kinda funny, yet also miserable. Really shows what a hellworld America is, it's an inherently evil society
Justice chief, anti-communist task force lock horns over red-tagging practices
THE GOVERNMENT’S anti-communist task force on Thursday hit Justice Secretary Menardo I. Guevara for standing up against communist tagging practices in the Philippines. Lorraine Marie T. Badoy, the task force’s spokesperson, said they “do not agree” with Mr. Guevarra’s statement that identifying members of the Maoist movement would endanger people’s lives. https://www.bworldonline.com/the-nation/2022/06/16/455667/justice-chief-anti-communist-task-force-lock-horns-over-red-tagging-practices/Año warns CPP-NPA, ‘cohorts’ may have intent to ‘embarrass’ Bongbong Marcos
Interior Secretary Eduardo Año on Thursday said the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) and its armed wing the New People’s Army (NPA) may have an intention to “cause embarrassment” to President-elect Ferdinand “Bongbong Marcos Jr. Año made the remark when asked to react to former Sen. Juan Ponce Enrile’s claim alleging that some groups from the United States and in the country are supposedly hatching a plot to discredit Marcos.https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1611882/ano-warns-cpp-npa-cohorts-may-have-intent-to-embarrass-bongbong-MacOS
Why is the Philippines so fucked rn? Also Deng moments.https://nitter.net/bongbongmarcos/status/950879087458791424
Bump for the durian season. Finally some good food.
I don't get it when people say durian stinks
durian is kinoooo
Had a ton of durian last month. The season came quite early here.>>1024810
Try hauling 30 of the things inside an air conditioned car like I had. You will get it.
Hey Vietanon, are there Viet public interest groups or outspoken adovocates within the party who advocate for Palestinian liberation instead of this two-state stuff? Feels kinda disingenuous to call for the same huffing and puffing about what a tragedy things are when Viet business and even defense keeps strengthening with Israel. Thx.
The Israeli Palestinian conflict is the least of Vietnam’s issues right now to be honest. The whole territorial disputes with China had made both countries closer to Israel than ever. Mostly because of arms sale.
Another thing is that after being blockaded by almost the entire world in the 80s and 90s the government is hellbent on keeping with the “friends with everyone” line of diplomacy, which in many cases is extremely problematic when the 2 parties you want to be friends with are bitter enemies.
if anything leave us chindos alone :,( we don't want genocide
>>1026684>Another thing is that after being blockaded by almost the entire world in the 80s and 90s the government is hellbent on keeping with the “friends with everyone” line of diplomacy, which in many cases is extremely problematic when the 2 parties you want to be friends with are bitter enemies.
That's honestly disappointing. I hope in the future tVietnam's complacency will not be a footnote of shame in the history books.
Are there any books you recommend for history of the golden triangle, vietanon?
Not him but The Politics of Heroin
>>1035590>Not him but The Politics of Heroin
Thanks anon. on googling did you mean The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia?
Attached for any other interested anons.
Is Indonesian neutrality (through the policy of "bebas aktif") just a cover to silently shill for Washington, or a true declaration of neutrality?
It was originally sukarno's idea so he can engage with america because like the other non bloc countries, they thought america would sympathise with their circumstances, well they're proven wrong of course and sukarno is couped by a pro-us dude. Bebas aktif is not much of a thing really, since the us becomes harder to cooperate with, sukarno puts indonesia to lean to beijing and moscow, after suharto took power, we lean to washington, in post-reformation its still western tinged but toned down, indonesia is still a western ally but prefers to be neutral most of the time when it doesnt really concern indonesia. Basically bebas aktif never really got implemented properly because how the fuck would you implement it properly.
It is basically a separate imperialist political entity as it is now. The New Order was made due to a large combined efforts of the MI6 and CIA to remove the PKI, however with Suharto's passing and the expansionism of Indonesia to subjugate Timor Leste and West Papua, the Indonesian goverment is still the largest and most influencial in the regional stage.>>1037822
Good enough, especially when you consider all of SEA.
Death to the Thai Royal Family.
They doing good things and communist?
Why has Vietnam / The CPV chosen to take such a much more 'moderate' stance in regards to internet things compared to China / DPRK (Making their own intranet) and even Cuba?
Perhaps they're less afraid of Western subversion because the Vietnamese people, more than most, had its flesh burnt with the West real face?
>>1038051>They doing good things and communist?
Still reformist red social democracy I'm afraid. But at least the government still see the current state as building towards socialism rather than just socialist off the bat.>Why has Vietnam / The CPV chosen to take such a much more 'moderate' stance in regards to internet things compared to China / DPRK (Making their own intranet) and even Cuba?
Fun fact but China also did the same until 2010 when a mistake in firewall codes basically crippled the ability to use google within the country. So they bit the bullet to ban the whole thing soon after. It's basically less hassle than inviting google in to fix the problem.
There's also the history of Vietnam not really that admicable with China to copy them wholesale. Fighting them in a hot war for 20 years after they had suck up to the US would do that to you. The land reforms was an attempt to do just that and it was a dumb shitshow that had to be reverted following the Soviet method.
Why didn't the communists in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia unify those countries after they achieved independence? My understanding is that there was a single Indochinese Communist Party when they were under French rule. I know that those countries have different cultures and pre-colonial histories, but was that the only reason?
There were multiple reasons behind it. The first was that the history behind how the Indochina under the French was created. It was the expansion of the already existed domain of the Nguyễn dynasty which was already colonialist by the time the French defeated them. And how the Nguyễn dynasty achieved this was so to say extremely brutal. There rule was a kinh (the Vietnamese majority ethnic group) supremacist one that openly tried to destroy Khmer and Laotian culture down to banning their language and moving loads of kinh into settling inside Laos and Cambodia. Minh Mạng was a backward imperialist piece of shit trying to emulate the Han expansion and assimilation tactics of China.
So when the French arrived they basically just took over the already imperial administration to ran their businesses. Which caused even more frictions between the three. The Kinh people was basically seen as imperial stooges. The best western comparison I can give is Yugoslavia.
Because of that Ho saw the only way to mitigate this friction while following Leninism is to return to a looser form of the federation where the CPI has to be dissolved. Which using some hindsight with the collapse of both the USSR and Yugoslavia was correct. However I would say that the CPV should’ve taken a more active role with the CPK like with the LRPP rather than doing realpolitik with Sihanouk, but that’s also was the direct results of PRC intervention into the Geneva Convention of 1954.
The second reason was a practical one. The CPI at the time was dominated by Vietnamese people. Which made the agitation and recruitment of Cambodians and Laotians into the cause nearly impossible as the CPI was a completely alien entity that would be seen as social imperialism.
Happy Idul Adha lads! (although it's a week late)
The old man seemed to think that Tianmen protestors were opposing Deng’s liberal reforms and being friendly to America. FWIW he approves of the Cultural Revolution.
I do get the vibe that he was an old school radlib but didn’t want to debate him about it.
Older Singaporeans are always a funny lot, you never know when you'll dig up a firebrand opposition man like you did. My maternal grandfather used to be a teacher, and he always derided LKY as a tyrant, on the other hand lots of other elderly people really love LKY and there was quite a bit of crying at the funeral in 2015. I get the sense a lot of Singaporeans just don't want to rock the boat when it comes to politics, too fucking fucked from working to live and living to work unfortunately.>but because they forgotten what even is socialism anymore.
Socialism isn't even really any part of the WP platform anymore, like a minimum wage (their 2020 manifesto) ought to just be the standard for civilization, but then they go and abolish the retirement age and have some other BS involving training teachers for both education and social work.
>>1075703>a lot of Singaporeans just don't want to rock the boat when it comes to politics, too fucking fucked from working to live and living to work unfortunately.
It’s a general trend in most Asian tiger countries and also the ones outside of it like Vietnam and China. The grind of profit for porkies and wagie slaving is never ending. People don’t want major change because it have a chance of fucking up and destroying everything including the social security net that most SEA politics of “give me that” revolves around. I think a lot of people in Singapore are simply worried that if the Lees get sidelined, someone more neoliberal would take the reigns.
Even though everyone silently knows that by not rocking the boat the system will become more and more market oriented anyway. A quiet resignation to the doomed trends out of lesser-evilism.
>>1075703>Socialism isn't even really any part of the WP platform anymore, like a minimum wage (their 2020 manifesto)
tbf, putting socialism in their manifesto at this stage is really hard since you gotta actually write down the policies to implement socialism instead of saying you want it.
But I do agree their manifesto is very basic bitch. They come out supporting for 4 day workweek though so that is pretty radical.
>>1076486> you gotta actually write down the policies to implement socialism instead of saying you want it.
And the writing of specific policies is another huge can of worm where people will just argue for either PAP but red to full-on communist revolution. Plus the glowies will get attracted to it like moths to a lightbulb.>4 day workweek
Is that manageable for a service heavy economy like Singapore?
>>1077007>And the writing of specific policies is another huge can of worm where people will just argue for either PAP but red to full-on communist revolution.
Yea so I can understand why they are so hesitant. The Clause IV moment I fear is when they remove Value number 3 from their constitution.
>Is that manageable for a service heavy economy like Singapore?
It needs to be coz the workers need reduced work hours!
>>1079183>Hey wtf is this? Another censorship of dissent? Why tf every SEA countries start embracing authoritarianism?
Yes, cuz this is what we choose. Curse democracy, we already fuse communism & fascism. So there we go, we got this region. Even Vietnoys (aka Vietnam govt simps soys) also suffer from this revisionism disease.>>1079189>Also this stuff, so many censorship going in here and there. What are we? China? USA?
Beyond that, numero uno campeão do mundo!https://kominfod.angelo.fyi/https://kominfu.com/
You know, Indonesia is one of the most conservative nations on the Earth. No wonder the government wants Big Tech to respect local laws. They would risk extreme backlash if refusing to do so (especially if more and more liberals take over Twitter and start posting "propaganda contrary to what religion teaches" - e.g., queer material)
>>1079189>>1077073>It needs to be coz the workers need reduced work hours!
Agreed. Office crunching and exploitation of essential services needs to end. Speaking of that these days the local medical service is being hit hard by post covid 19 exhaustion. Doctors are leavin in droves.>>1079183
My dude. Almost all of SEA are somewhat "authoritarian", especially Indonesia, which wiped out their communist party and is currently still waging a war on occupied West Papua.
>>1080764>occupied West Papua.
Are they to be supported? Or opposed, just like the Hong Kong protesters and "Xinjiang detainees?" Also, are they legit or some BIN fedop?
>>1080764>Office crunching and exploitation of essential services needs to end.
God you just reminded me of how during the pandemic, every other week there was some new article praising the passion and commitment of health services. It was the most nauseating fucking thing ever that the government just kept making these ludicrous symbolic gestures but did nothing to really improve lives or workloads.>>1080775
They're a very bog-standard (if there is such a thing) nationalist/independence/separatist movement. That said, they recently came out in favor of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, so make of it what you will.
Speaking of Papua, last month they just split up Papua (province) into 3: Papua Utara, Papua Pegunungan, and Papua Selatan. Opinions welcome
From the outside it looks like good old fashioned divide and conquer
Why is Ausfalia so shit?
Also ask the same to /auspol/
Divide and conquer. It’s reminiscent of what the French did here with separating the country into Cochinchina, Anam and Tonkin.>>1080775
Fedops in that Australian intelligence and the CIA directly training Indonesian commandos in assassinating Papua leaders. The CIA had direct involvement in getting Indonesia to annex the region because of the massive mineral reserves underneath.>>1080854>symbolic gestures but did nothing to really improve lives or workloads.
The workloads of the dengue fever combined with covid is making shit loads of urban health service people quitting. Just give them better wages while taxing the private health sector to death already! Nobody need those cunts except the rich.
Speaking of which…
Living as a Papuan, in my opinion, is bad due to those geopolitical realities. First, even if they freed themselves from Indonesia, but still they wouldn't escape from Australia's grip. It's like Xinjiang: when that region frees themselves from Beijing, America will soon step in and plunder their oil and gas reserves while cultivating Wahhabism with the help of Saudi Arabia. Second, Indonesia has already made countless HR abuses on the region, so no point on being a part of Indonesia, because abuses are going to be even more commonplace. Third, they cannot become a leftist worker's state to counter Australian influence of Indonesia's; do so and congrats - you're Seroja'd (with Western help ofc).
This is your region on 0 liberalism/conscious working class>>1084067
Yea, most SEA have this similar problem where we fall victim to outside influence even if we escape the current one we are under.
Even if we go the ASEAN route, we still have to answer the Indonesia question, and not let ASEAN just be an extension of Indonesia.
To this day I always see the east/west partitioning of the Papua island as the continuation of colonialism but under new masters. So the only way out now is a United papua state that is fully independent from both Indonesia and the british commonwealth. but in order for that to be a reality ASEAN must be a way stronger political coalition that it is now, enough to stand independent in the China/US cold war as well as being able to enforce some kind ofleverage for Indonesia to back off.
The biggest western threats to Papua (and to an even bigger extent to Timor Leste) rn is its close proximity to Australia, nowadays a glorified US base. That and the huge flow of Chinese investment into the country that basically owns made xenophobia worse.>>1084139>not let ASEAN just be an extension of Indonesia.
I don't think Indonesia will ever be a leader. Its hand are tied on so many internal issues that taking over east Papua is already a handful. Their capital moving project is not doing well at all which in time will lead to a massive disaster when global warming come in full force. Then comes the huge sway of the islamic lobby in the country despite the country's effort to stay secular. Also the bubbling left that has to be stamped down constantly.
Hell Indonesia is bad even as a team player. If they can't even be a good sport in AFF, I really don't see them going far in regional politics.
>>1085280>Then comes the huge sway of the islamic lobby in the country despite the country's effort to stay secular.
This in fact is the worst, but can be attributed to Suharto, which caused these things to happen first place.
Suharto is a pro-West capitalist, which means that government policies are aimed towards businessmen, not the common populace. This includes education. Since education is not free, the majority of the Indonesian populace (which is also poor) couldn't afford adequate education.
This gives rise to a population less informed and religiously fanatical, and given that the first sila refers to monotheism, these people took this literally and proceed to mistake Indonesia for a theocracy.
Combine this with the death of leftism on July 5, 1966, and a very willing group of rich people willing to exploit the Indonesian populace by starting culture wars like such, the local equivalent of America's January 6 and progressive/conservative issue war, and you get a country that is more like a victim of Western idiocracy rather than "barbarism" (something White supremacists parrot).
>>1084139>This is your region on 0 liberalism/conscious working class
In fact it feels like as if Southeast Asia is going to be the largest consumer market in the world. Maphilindo's middle class are highly Westernized, while those in Indochina are either China's properties or just as pro-US as Maphilindo.
Yeah and also the use of islamic fundamentalists as unofficial military sanctioned deathsquads under Suharto. In many parts of the countryside they still exist to terrorize the populace to scare them into towing the line.>Islamic extremists often paraded severed heads on spikes.>>1085371>In fact it feels like as if Southeast Asia is going to be the largest consumer market in the world.
Only behind China in many parts.>while those in Indochina are either China's properties or just as pro-US as Maphilindo.
Well it is way more complicated than just that. "The middle class" (something i refrained in using because it's liberal woo nonsense) are just small business people and workers that have very varied oppinion on both countries. The US and China are only good when they pay them money essentially. Both in Laos and Vietnam the memories of being tag-teamed byboth countries and their contras are still there.
I don’t understand what you meant. If you are saying that SEA always adopt outside trends and influence then yea it is pretty true. But SEA has never adopted and implemented the ideology of liberalism and its effects really shows like such causal wrongthink bans in Indonesia.
With no conscious working classmen or other progressive movements people will just stick to the status quo - that is, consumerism, hedonism, and other forms of shilling to capitalism.
thoughts on the institution of judicial flogging in SG and Malaysia and the lack of pushback to it? Id really like to learn more.
>>1086005>Ngl this is the most worst 3rd world country in the SEA region.
Ah, good old Bebas Aktif. That neutralist position again…
Is it actually a good thing? Especially when in regards to comparing this with Switzerland
>>1086770>How is it different from Sukarno collaborating with the Japanese?
Bandera died along with all ukrops traitors, & Ukrainian SSR survived.
Meanwhile Sukarno used Japs occupation as an opportunity for Indonesian guerillas to learn about modern military since Japs Pan-Asian motto saw every Asians as their own little brothers & sisters that need guidance to destroy the West. Because previously Dutch imperialist simply won't developing Indonesian military whatsoever despite existence of KNIL & such. Even until this day, the Dutch royals & its citizens won't recognize Indonesia independence nor they agreed with paying for reparations unless they're left wing opposition which only a few dissent in Netherlands.
However, Jugun Ianfu (comfort women for the Japs) still became a problem until this day. Well thanks that for Japs hypocrisy. I'm glad their ex-PM died by their own guy.
>>1086762>Ngl this is the most worst 3rd world country in the SEA region>Elaborate reasons
350 years of Dutch imperialism, 3 years of Japs imperialism, & 32 years of Suharto reign won't suffice for you?
The left here are dead, the right infighting worsening the country & its citizens. The only way for redemption is the collapse of Indonesia Republic whether by itself or outside influence. Its already copied of US in Eastern hemisphere, although serve as US puppet in SEA since Sukarno fall.
If China or Australia (as US allies) interested, they'll probably involved with the next management of that shithole. Whether directly or indirectly dividing the country into 2 region, where China controlling the western islands & Australia gaining territory over eastern islands.
Maybe there'll be some referendum until it happen.
Worse things to happen? Indonesia balkanization similar like Yugoslavia. Where each of ethnicities wage war against one another. But it seems unlikely, since each of nowadays superpowers won't satisfied with that result.>embed
>Ah, good old Bebas Aktif. That neutralist position again…>Is it actually a good thing? Especially when in regards to comparing this with Switzerland
Switzerland neutrality itself shouldn't be trusted since its benefiting imperialists counterparts & neolibs. Let alone Indonesia fake neutrality.
If only Sukarno would use more than his solely charisma to avoid this, then we surely got multipolarity world earlier or even better Australia become allies of Jakarta-Pyongyang-Beijing-Phnom Penh-Hanoi Axis powers of commies in SEA before. But shit happened, so there's no going back.
Well let despair strengthen us
No, just a section break.
Whats the right thread
Fuck I just realized
I have two questions
1) What is the opinion of the Vietnamese population about Stalin and Mao?
2) How do Asian Maoists (Filipinos and others) feel about Vietnam?
3) Is there any cooperation with the DPRK?
Japanese relationship with SEA isn’t exactly black and white like Japanese relationships with east Asia. They were monsters but they fought under the banner of anti-white colonialism. Which led to plenty of nationalists at the time to use them to kick out the west before fighting them. Hell long after ww2 there’s still random battalions on imperial Japanese troops running around like ronins fighting alongside anti imperialist revolutionaries. Some were there during Điện Biên Phủ.>>1087158>>1087161
1) Opinions on both are mixed. Stalin is generally seen as the guy who beat the Japanese and the Nazis, but also the guy who many times refused to help due to realpolitik with the UK. Mao is seen way more negatively because him and Zhou fucked over Indochina thrice in 1954, 1973 and 1976.
3) It used to be pretty rocky before but a lot better now. Vietnam and the DPRK used to do emergency mutual support following the collapse of the Soviet Union and Comecon. Kim Jong Un is a better leader than his dad for sure.
>>1086920>350 years of Dutch imperialism, 3 years of Japs imperialism, & 32 years of Suharto reign won't suffice for you?
How does it make it the worst? Sometimes countries with a rough history has a good present, like that of China's, and vice-versa: countries like Venezuela had its currency value deplete despite during the 20th century it prospered of oil.>If China or Australia (as US allies) interested, they'll probably involved with the next management of that shithole.
Why is colonialism "management?" VOC based because subjugating natives? Isn't that national self-determination against any forms of imperialism shall be stressed?>Maybe there'll be some referendum until it happen.
No, not gonna happen. We Indos should not support the subjugation of our people. Because we have worth too. Do you want an Indonesia that greatly resembles today's Palestine, where apartheid Jerusalem rules?
Any good readings about China-Viet 20th century relations?
Not him, but I can recommend
"Building Ho’s Army: Chinese Military Assistance To North Vietnam" by Li Xiao Bing.
Basically details the start of the PAVN from its humble beginnings to the start of the US Intervention in Vietnam, a lot of it is about the training and indoctrination of the PAVN, there's quite a but inside about how the PAVN organized itself in the run-up, during and the final confrontation at Dien Bien Phu. There's also a bit about the discussions between Ho, Mao and Stalin with regards to the Revolution in SEA. The book doesn't really cover the US intervention in Vietnam, but tries to make a point about how the USSR and the PRC basically competed for Vietnam's attention in the later period.
Ultimately, the book is written by a chinese general and that bias should be taken into account, particularly when the book makes a claim that Chinese assistance was ultimately more effective since the Chinese were providing effective AAA while the Soviet SAMs weren't as effective (technically true, US aircraft overwhelming fell victim to AAA, but it was the SAMs that claimed the dozen or so B-52s shot down). Its still nice though, and offers great lessons on how to organize an actual insurgency that can progress into open confrontation.
>>1088934> like that of China's
China didn't go through that long of imperialism fyi.
Indonesia sucks for many reasons, people are too spooked to even want to build an effective nation-state, it is pretty corrupt and illiberal in all the wrong ways.
I have a bunch but most are in Vietnamese. Le Duan’s autobiography was a pretty good account in that front. His hardline approach and willingness to defy Chinese orders against unification was one of the contributing factors for souring relationships.
He full on raged at Zhou Enlai after the Nixon trip to China, calling it the ultimate betrayal.>>1089002
The PLA’s assistance to Vietnam (in essence also Laos and Cambodia) was really significant during the first indochinese war. Most notable was the shipments of artillery that took a decisive role in the victory at Điện Biên Phủ. Here’s a pretty good source from the PAVN on the matter:https://web.archive.org/web/20131202043712/http://www.qdnd.vn/qdndsite/vi-VN/61/43/3/3/32/75212/Default.aspxhttps://www.qdnd.vn/ho-so-su-kien/dai-tuong-vo-nguyen-giap/vien-tro-cua-trung-quoc-doi-voi-cuoc-khang-chien-chong-phap-cua-viet-nam-260871https://www.qdnd.vn/phong-chong-dien-bien-hoa-binh/ky-niem-mot-chuyen-di-tiep-nhan-tau-do-trung-quoc-vien-tro-448292
However a lot of that good will collapsed on the table at Geneva where Zhou and the PRC delegation repeatedly made near impossible concessions to the French to ensure a Chinese buffer zone. This included giving up both Hà Nội and Hải Phòng to the French legionnaires similar to Hong Kong and Macau. Giving the Vietminh’s control to only the 5 provinces nearing the Chinese borders. This was insane to the Vietminh, the Khmer Lao Issarak because by the time of 1954 most of Indochina was completely liberated with the French only hanging on to the big cities.>The book doesn't really cover the US intervention in Vietnam, but tries to make a point about how the USSR and the PRC basically competed for Vietnam's attention in the later period.
Well it’s not much of a competition when the Vietnamese politburo can see very clearly what China did at the time, between supporting anti communists in Africa and accusing Cuba of all people as imperialist lackey for the Soviet Union (which Mao called as bad as Nazi Germany). That and the constant betrayal made the Soviet approach inevitable.
>>1089006>China didn't go through that long of imperialism fyi.
Century of humiliation?
>>1088934>No, not gonna happen. We Indos should not support the subjugation of our people. Because we have worth too.
Who knows. Its true that there was Reformation era, however it didn't last & ended up filled with New Order Suharto cronies again.
>Do you want an Indonesia that greatly resembles today's Palestine, where apartheid Jerusalem rules?
Apartheid regime consisting of Javanese centralism over everything already existed.
Its merely a puppet of both superpowers that try to clinging its own power to them but face dissent & problems from everywhere. Aceh Free Movement, Free Papua Organization, Islamic fundamentalists, Christians fundamentalists, Zionists sympathizers, foreigners descendants, conflicts between ethnicities, conflicts between the army & police, even those govt officials (oligarchies got different alignment to China or US).
Even if there some kind of underground movement that shall defend its sovereignty oneday, it'll takes time to unite the people & free itself from FUBAR circumstances from outside influences. That if its still exist or not depends on the existence of US itself in upcoming election like 2024. If its delay the election, then its citizens got no longer patience left.
Well good luck
That's 10 years fam…
I mean 1900s to 1930s were pretty shit but it isn't Indonesia or even Philippines-tier.
A century is 100 years fam. But the time China was under western rule was no way near as bad as the absolute genocide under Japanese occupation.
It’s way way worse in the Chinese context where only Unit 731 alone had killed millions through, mass murder/rape, human experiments and bio weapons. Stuff in Nanking made a lot of stuff in SEA tame in comparison. And I’m saying this from a perspective critical to China.
>>1089517>between supporting anti communists in Africa and accusing Cuba of all people as imperialist lackey for the Soviet Union (which Mao called as bad as Nazi Germany
I still don't understand why the fuck the PRC flew so goddamn off the handle when Khrushchev denounced Stalin, the amount of practically personal vendetta PRC leaders had for the USSR is mindboggling. Can you imagine if twitter had existed back in the day? Bluecheck Mao would be screaming about how Khrushchev was literally Hitler.
If being brought into today's politics.
Would the US support the newly-formed USSR (the one planned by Shoygu) in its fight against China? And China claims EVEN MORE territory just as what Westoid cope is?
It’s always been an excuse. The betrayal would’ve come whether Stalin is alive or dead. Even if the anti party group got into power instead of Khrushchev, Mao would’ve denounced them as chauvinist or some dumb shit of the sorts.
The cracks started as early as the 30s with the Comintern refusal to let the cpc the separate from the kmt when sun yatsen died. Then widened even more when the Soviet Union under Stalin demanded the full military support of China into the Korean War with minuscule support on their own part. That and the fact that Mao and by extension the CPC were tolerated the national capitalists and harbored delusions of leading the socialist bloc stemming from their chauvinism.>>1090874
Probably at first similar to the German Empire. Then going along with China to crush it if they poses a genuine threat.
I haven't seen anything to indicate that China is claiming even more territory in Siberia, practically all border claims with the USSR were settled in the Cold War. Realists would insist that the USA support one side against the other as it did during the Cold War, but for now the Liberal ideologues run the show.
One would fucking hope that both the nu-USSR and the PRC would learn from history and actually present a united Comintern against the bougie democracies, one which would helpfully include Vietnam and Korea. One would hope that they would recognize that they need each other (Soviet resources + Chinese tech) to survive. One would hope that they wouldn't allow aimless realpolitik to pull them apart, and by Marx and Lenin one would hope that they wouldn't engage in the same bullshitfuckery interventions for the sake of ideology, causing horrible overreach and wasting precious resources.
I personally have no hopes even if the tiny chance of nu-USSR comes to pass. Someone is going to get jealous, someone is going to insist that they're the ones who should be in charge, there's going to be a debate about who is the important one and then someone is going to complain that the other side "isn't real communism" and then its going to fall apart in the same way that >>1091366
said it with nonsensical chauvinist mindsets causing the whole thing to go poof.
Some form of competition is already happening in the 'traditional' Russian sphere of Central Asia, so who the fuck knows?
>>1092863>I haven't seen anything to indicate that China is claiming even more territory in Siberia
2 years ago Republic World reported on China's territorial claims in the Russian Far East:https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/china/china-border-ambitions-reach-russian-city-vladivostok.html
Is it true?
Did you even read the article my dude? >Although these claims weren't officially endorsed or acknowledged by China and Russia's foreign ministries, it raised a few eyebrows when the Russian Embassy in China posted a video on Weibo as a tribute to the foundation day of Vladivostok, and several diplomats and journalists including Shen m Shiwei a popular reporter with CGTN, one of China's mouthpieces, lambasted Russia for the insensitive act.
It’s not officially endorsed by the Chinese government. Just one of those idiot Han chauvinists CGTN got on their payroll, which is a dime a dozen nowadays.>Shiwei stated that an unequal treaty was signed with Beijing after Russia forcefully annexed the Haishwewai territory and built a harbour there. And topped it up with a loaded, "Russian embassy's tweet isn't welcome on Weibo".
Speaking of which even though the government doesn’t support this kind of shit. But Han chauvinist are really tolerated online mostly because they’re considered “patriotic” to Chinese public security apparatuses.>Zhang Heqing, a Chinese diplomat working in the embassy in Pakistan, also commented “isn’t this what in the past was our Haishenwai?”, referring to the Chinese name for the area before its annexation.
Especially the diplomats. These parasitic nationalist ticks really make diplomacy with China extremely difficult and make a bad rap for the CPC.>As the news quickly exploded after Shiwei's tweet, Indian media was quick to grab the opportunity and react to unfounded Chinese claims. Some lambasted Beijing for having an insatiable appetite for territory, inadvertently forcing the journalist to issue a clarification. Russia has so far neither acknowledged nor reacted to China's claims.
India media once again made mountains out of molehills.>>1092863>I personally have no hopes even if the tiny chance of nu-USSR comes to pass.
I share your sentiment. There must be a complete reversal of Chinese chauvinistic superstructure to eliminate all the scum above for that to work. That and the Soviet Union wouldn’t repeat the same heavy-handed approach to their allies, treating them more or less as a part of the kgb rather than people.
>Islam Nusantara saved Indonesia’s Muslims from ISIS. It can help India toohttps://www.msn.com/en-in/news/opinion/islam-nusantara-saved-indonesia-s-muslims-from-isis-it-can-help-india-too/ar-AAZiEGj
What d'ya think about this article?>>1093017
It's probably from earlier days. Have they spent? Also can Balikpapan be used as a temporary capital if Nusantara isn't done yet?
And, is Nusantara a developer (e.g., Sinarmas, Ciputra, Lippo) magnet?
The problem with the plan for Nusantara is that it was drew up even when the money and resources to build it up as the new capital weren’t there. Now the clock is ticking even faster with Jakarta literally sinking under water as we speak.
The national kulaks are self gulaging
Kominfo is in a blocking spree now through the OSE regulations. Thoughts? And, which countries would you anons suggest me to flee to? I personally choose either Norway or Switzerland.
Wtf is that?
Flee to Singapore lmao.
Islam Nusantara is still not Islam Abangan which is a more syncretic Islam and historically has been shown to support the communist party, Islam Nusantara is most likely the nationalist establishment trying to reign in radical political Islam by cooperating with already existing moderate and pro-establishment Islamic institution(s), it will help only so that political Islam will be almost entirely subservient to the state, this could also lead to more effective populism tactics, irrelevant irrelevant as both political Islam and the nationalist establishment is cancer. I hate Indonesia's political discourse it's literally all about Islam and religion and corruption(!), I hope they all fucking die.>>1096535
Ministry of Communication and Information.
Flee to somewhere near dumbass. Norway has a Nazi problem and Switzerland is shit for anyone not rich.
Hmm… given that.
Is Cuba good? How about Chile?
Can you even speak Spanish? Why not Singapore? All the Indonesia Chinese fled here during the ethnic violence.
>anti-FOSS DRM platform
>elon finance shit
Based as fuck if true. Now go away.
Actually retard, Indonesia banning sites like PayPal & Steam is one of the dumbest ways to hurt their economy. Indonesian game developers, youtubers, website designers, freelance artists, etc are all using PayPal for payment, since they mostly get their income outside Indonesia. Their effort is appreciated and people pay with USD.
I never cease to be amazed at the amount of human rights violations that are just okay for governments to do. Why are companies so desperate for money that they are just ok with this? I agree that it sucks if you lose access to a service, but its better to not have that service used against you because someone interprits the law in some absurd way.
is leftypol banned in Indonesia yet
>>1098655>noooo think about the indo petty porkies aaaaaaa
Hello SEA anons. Quick question, what is your opinion on moving not necessarily leftypol-type SEA content to this general? Such as: >>>/leftypol/1098647
It should be done anyway because most popular threads like the recent one on Singapore only get decent to medium attention. Also helps to not clog stuff with slide threads that would be forgotten.
Ok thanks. Merged.
Hilarious but typical of Indonesian governance.
The country has been shit with it's rights management, people only care about """rights""" when its interesting, they won't care about repression of labour movement, persecution of west papuan independence activists, or communism still being a thoughtcrime. It's not even that urgent you could just use a non-ISP resolver to bypass it, but people went "woahh, it's a severe violation of human rights innit!!!">>1098651>>1098714
actual retard + they ban everything unregistered not just le heckin soy proprietary
Not yet, and will never be because they fall under the radar. There's just too many chans out there
Ok doomer, why are you keeping the same remarks over and over again?
implies herd stupidity
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Love to see this. Surprised to see the government finally doing something this good, to be honest.
And quite frankly, the booklet whining about it makes it even funnier.
>>1098647>Thoughts on Steam and Paypal being banned from Indonesia?
good. i wish my country did that.
What country might that be anon
oh, he's satiring apparently
he's a foreigner right?
>You're in Cuba but Batista US regime survived, dipshit.
What? Castro’s Cuba has certain problems, but it is far different than what cam before.
>What? You got a pipe dream where Indogs shall be free? They won't & never be.
Why is it??? Why shouldn't we progress as people?
>Remember you're here forever, blah blah blah… implying ACCEPT THE TORTURE AND YOU SHALL ENJOY IT
Oh my God… say the same to a fucking immigrant!!!
>In fact, most of people here also agree that being rule by foreigners superpowers is a lot better than your own fellows scums that couldn't do nothing except worsening everything for eternity.
Oh, dus de Nederlandse overheersing is zo gebaseerd dat ik van de tijd hou! imagine unironically supporting for colonialism, say this to a fucking Palestinian
I know right? Indonesia berdasar is gone, it has died on 1965. Right at September 30. Just like how Counterpunch said.
Miss the times, let despair strengthen us. Kaum buruh, bersatulah… if only…
Sukarno should’ve never taken that deal with the west. Letting the military full reign in training with the CIA in exchange for West Papua wasn’t worth it at all. A pro Indonesia United Papua is a better alternative.>>1102473
Indonesia would work well as a socialist federation.
>>1102868>Indonesia would work well as a socialist federation.>A pro Indonesia United Papua is a better alternative.
Both are cool ideas! It's based to see both coexisting with one another
Funds for the Chinese HSR in Indonesia inflated. Per kilometer, it now appears to be $57M, the highest in the world even surpassing the CA HSR. Thoughts?
>>1096491>Kominfo is in a blocking spree now through the OSE regulations. Thoughts? And, which countries would you anons suggest me to flee to? I personally choose either Norway or Switzerland.
Don't even think about it. They'll come after you till the end, even if you renounce your citizenship. There's no escape, none of us can. Join the fray, faggot.>>1097139>Hmm… given that.>Is Cuba good? How about Chile?>>1102470
You are already in Cuba here but similar Batista US regime survived, dipshit. You're in Chile but the people here failed to get rid of similar Pinochet regime & its cronies, simpleton. Remember, you're here forever. This is your home. You have nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. Slowly, invisibly, your death will come upon you.>>1100057>Ok doomer, why are you keeping the same remarks over and over again?>>1102675>Why is it??? Why shouldn't we progress as people?
Because Indonesia is lost cause same like America, but in SEA region. But well keep trying, y'all eventually fail anyway.
Just like this one said >>1098919>The country has been shit with it's rights management, people only care about """rights""" when its interesting, they won't care about repression of labour movement, persecution of west papuan independence activists, or communism still being a thoughtcrime. It's not even that urgent you could just use a non-ISP resolver to bypass it, but people went "woahh, it's a severe violation of human rights innit!!!">>1016650>>1086920
Based>>1102473>socialist indonesia not balkanisation retard, also moving away from javanese & malay hegemony too
indonesia balkanization not socialist indonesia retard, also get sink from tsunami & get btfo by earthquakes too>>1102675
Idc if you called it something-something inferiority complex or colonial mentality bla-bla-bla. Third world people would've been a lot better if they're under rule of foreigners superpowers, sucker.>Oh, dus de Nederlandse overheersing is zo gebaseerd dat ik van de tijd hou!
Ja, als Sneevliet & Tan Malaka maar eerder slagen. Jammer dat ze gefaald hebben.imagine unironically supporting for colonialism, say this to a fucking Acehnese, Papuans, & Timor Timur>>1102678>>1102868>>1102870>I know right? Indonesia berdasar is gone, it has died on 1965. Right at September 30. Just like how Counterpunch said.>Miss the times, let despair strengthen us. Kaum buruh, bersatulah… if only…
Keep coping, seething, whining, & malding about it. Y'all full of fantasy & pipe dream, larpers.(lExcessive doomerism and flaming)
You guys should have gone the Bangladesh route. Just fund it yourself. It’s not like the literally largest economy of SEA is lacking in money.>>1103559
I don’t get this kind of autism. If everything is hopeless then why not just end it all?
>>1103791>I don’t get this kind of autism
He spams anti-Indonesia propaganda as usual. Has been doing it for ages (several times posted in the now-nuked thread). Like there is still hope for Indonesia, just that the citizens are so into New Order propa. It will slowly but surely evolve into a very quality nation, once local zoomers take the spotlight, something he doesn't realize. I bet he is Malaysian judging from that Indonesia Raya parody
>>1103559>Third world people would've been a lot better if they're under rule of foreigners superpowers, sucker.>Third world people are meant for Westerners to exploit, because they have no fucking mind!
are you a crypto white supremacist anon
you clearly have no fucking mind>Keep coping, seething, whining, & malding about it. Y'all full of fantasy & pipe dream, larpers.
take meds schizo
Why can Doomposter be on this board first place? Old posts also scream the same rhetoric of anti-Indonesianism, anti-progressivism, and general doomer unmotivating bullshit.
>I'm just telling you the truth, hoe
But bitch, you ain't motivating anyone nor you give fucking hope to us. At least give us some fucking hope.
>You think I happy with Bumiputera sultan puppets, Anglos, & Chinks ruling over us? Whose fault is it?
Masked off to be a Malingsialan. Kill yourself, doomposter. You bring no life to this thread, just dread. You motivate no one either. You just want us to be subjugated because you are so envy of us. Higher GDP, part of G20, neutral (unlike you), able to host Zelensky, influential in ASEAN. You?
>Foreigners superpowers shouldn't mean its always westoid, dipshit.
Who is dominant over the past few fucking centuries? Read some fucking history you illiterate
>That's what shall happen, Vietnoy. I hope Pol Poters slaughter all Yuon noobs & get their own territory back.
Outed as a xenophobe too. You hate this board? Go away. Fuck off anticom, you just promote capitalism here on the guise of doomerism. By doing nothing and die we get what? Children who have to pay $9.99 per moth just to breathe in fucking oxygen tanks!!!
Ngl got it from /PRC/, but just how foolish those burgers?
>But bitch, you ain't motivating anyone nor you give fucking hope to us. At least give us some fucking hope.
Why should I? If Indognesial collapse then there's some fucking hope
>Higher GDP, part of G20, neutral (unlike you), able to host Zelensky, influential in ASEAN. You?
Lmao, you just nothing more than US puppet for decades & got so many debt trap from China, asshole. Colonized East Timur & Papua just like they said >>1084067 >Speaking of which…>Living as a Papuan, in my opinion, is bad due to those geopolitical realities. First, even if they freed themselves from Indonesia, but still they wouldn't escape from Australia's grip. It's like Xinjiang: when that region frees themselves from Beijing, America will soon step in and plunder their oil and gas reserves while cultivating Wahhabism with the help of Saudi Arabia. Second, Indonesia has already made countless HR abuses on the region, so no point on being a part of Indonesia, because abuses are going to be even more commonplace. Third, they cannot become a leftist worker's state to counter Australian influence of Indonesia's; do so and congrats - you're Seroja'd (with Western help ofc).>>1084139>Even if we go the ASEAN route, we still have to answer the Indonesia question, and not let ASEAN just be an extension of Indonesia.
>How about Malay?
Sure screw with Bumiputeras, chinks, & anglos. But at least, we didn't make anti-imperialism manifesto opening in its Constitution & then violated it by colonizing small neighbor states.>>1104256>Who is dominant over the past few fucking centuries? Read some fucking history you illiterate
Go figure it out, braindead. Or you so blind with current geopolitical conditions?>>1104263>Outed as a xenophobe too. You hate this board? Go away. Fuck off anticom, you just promote capitalism here on the guise of doomerism. By doing nothing and die we get what? Children who have to pay $9.99 per month just to breathe in fucking oxygen tanks!!!
Why so offended with a word, Yuon? You think you're the most benevolent & so righteous than most of us?
Everyone still remember your warcrimes, sicko.
>>1104304>Muh deep state
Why are Americans like this? Their brain are bellow the cattle that they stuffed in their mouths. It’s both comical and pathetic.>>1103805
There’s always hope. That’s why you never should go to despair route in anything, politics or otherwise.
>>1104385>If Indognesial collapse then there's some fucking hope
Why must the whole country and its political system collapse? Why not the capitalist government only? Balkanization has proven itself from time to time again to be a cringe option. You screaming this because your country is internally balkanized? Are you envy because we don't have SJKC/SJKT and some Dong Jiao Zong-like shit?>& got so many debt trap from China, asshole.top kek
imagine still believing in the debt trap myth
IMF loans are loans and they do not prey upon impoverished
developing countries, huh?>But at least, we didn't make anti-imperialism manifesto opening in its Constitution & then violated it by colonizing small neighbor states.
Read fucking history bitch ass, it's Sukarno who wrote the fucking constitution fuckwad, the reason the Indonesian state colonized East Timor is because Indonesia in 1975 is under fucking Suharto, who had been a US ally even before Supersemar. Suharto also came to crush Fretilin, which was formerly a leftist org operating in Timor. The fears of communism led to him with the help of the West invading East Timor. Good thing Habibie freed the country of its shackles.>Go figure it out, braindead. Or you so blind with current geopolitical conditions?
Have China had any Chinese speaking countries in Africa or any other continent? Also Japan is a small player that emulated the West after the Restoration. If you wish upon Japanese colonialism in Indonesia again, it's also cringe because romusha and jugun ianfu. Bet yours are also colonized by Japan briefly right? Do you stand behind them?>Or you so blind with current geopolitical conditions?
No, because when you sum up from 1492 to 2022 there are more years of Western subjugation by Western European nations than any imperialist action committed by even the Japanese (50 years).>Lmao, you just nothing more than US puppet for decades
Nope, it's since 1965 that we got our 1st Western puppet. Your country also crushed communists to the point of them signing Hat Yai. But where the fuck is PKM now? Is it on your local elections? Indonesia's once the based anti-imperialist island nation the world knows, the shining star of the Southern Hemisphere. Now we got only the remnants of what was once previously described. This is no excuse to just sit back and relax, and doom until death doing nothing.>Also even if I despise the US and wanted it to fall, but I only want the capitalists to lose its grip on the American populace, and let the latter regain power. Same case for Indonesia. Why would you instead choose an Indonesia that is colonized by foreign powers after being Balkanized (TM), instead of a unitary socialist state? If you despise the country, you despise the government. You want it to change. Of which I do. An Indonesia that is self-sufficient and important globally is better than the splitting into 2+ parts by foreign powers and having the local populace (includes the other 1200++ ethnic groups) genocided à la what Western media say about Xinjiang and Tibet.
>>1104538>Why are Americans like this
Consume too much HFCS, and become stupid.>There’s always hope. That’s why you never should go to despair route in anything, politics or otherwise.
Based take Bogger
t. your old friend 302
Good news for Indobros, bad news for this site:>Kominfo may lift bans on Reddit, Vimeo if they register as PSEshttps://coconuts.co/jakarta/news/indonesias-it-ministry-may-lift-bans-on-reddit-vimeo-if-they-register-as-pses/
Now that these age-old bans that are in effect since 2014 have come to an end by the time they register, we indobros can finally access reddit (including me). However, this is a bad sign because now indobros are able to see f2f with liboid degeneracy there. As of vimeo, no problems whatsoever found.
Happy 7th month guys. Don't spook the ghosts.
>>1110239>Fucking kominfo getting triggered over a photoshop
They do not fear the PSD, they fear another 1998 if the PSD moralizes the masses to revolt against Jokowi. So yeah, "appropriate measures" as usual.
It is said to operate next year. Great job Jokowi despite flaws…
>>1113809>It is said to operate next year.
Yes>Great job Jokowi despite flaws…
No. Great job workers despite flaws…
>>1113816>No. Great job workers despite flaws…
forgot that too>>1115401
I hope Indostan stays neutral for the coming decades even though it means tug-of-war
hello SEA bros, is his analysis of the ongoing Philippine revolution based? or just pure hopium?
butchers of terrorists and separatist fascists, not ordinary tamils, who now have an higher approval of sri lanka than ever before
Being contrarian just for the sake of it is always bad. Especially for global politics. It’s shit like this that push people into simping for nutjobs like duterte.>>1117967>approval ratings
Yeah so much approval that they burned and raided the rajapaksa mansions. Fuck off retard.
>>1116549>Incoming economic fuckery
Finally this better be like good old days Asian financial crisis
>>1118107>Yeah so much approval that they burned and raided the rajapaksa mansions. Fuck off retard.
Burning is celebrating the down of retarded law & order (just like Floyd protest in US until libs co-opted it). Still what's wrong with that? You Vietcong guerillas was like that too once you fought off the baguettes & burgers.
(a.) What is Laos like? Is it still Marxist?.
(b.) Is Vietnamese government still Communist/Marxist in your opinions?.
(c.) What is the main Marxist movement in each of your countries?
Had a small constitutional crisis in the 90s when they had to eliminate the Gorbachevites in the party. Now flip flopping between China and Vietnam as a buffer. The latter’s providing education, training and investment. The former’s allowing access to a huge consumer market and infrastructure building. Think of it like Belarus of SEA.>Vietnam
It’s a red socdem country in many ways. Still stuck more to Democratic Centralism than China in that respect. So none of that leader worship and making up new ideologies as new inventions of each general secretaries.>how left is it
Depends on who you ask. It ranges from the left nationalists, communists to the radlibs and red reformers.>>1119165
Nothing. The rajapaksas were bastards that killed their country by themselves. Vietnam got stuck fighting the Cambodian nazis, their expansionist Chinese masters, and their “extremely communist” benefactors in the US of A. It’s basically reformism or death by a thousand cuts.
What about Cambodia?
So how come there was never an indochinese union like India got? Besides the Khmer Rouge that is
>>1119172>(c.) What is the main Marxist movement in each of your countries?
PKI (dead since 1965, still banned)
new labour party isnt marxist but theyre the left most party there is with maybe the ex-prd party, they seem very socdem-ish and their main push is a welfare state, but theyre supported by radical(and not so radical) grassroot unions and call themselves the party of the working class. saw a contituent organisation's member of that party with a mao t-shirt lmao. i wont get my hopes up because theyre just socdems, but let a man wish.
From what i understand, Vietnam wanted it the most and sorta had Laos on board, but because of the KR+Monarchist insurgency in Cambodia + US funded contras still in Vietnam nothing was able to be formalised before the USSR collapsed and the entire table got flipped over.
Now i think because they are all in ASEAN the idea is seen as sorta redundant.
Ho kinda rejected the idea from the get go due to historical and practical reasons. He was a big follower of Lenin’s anti imperialist national self determination.
Vietnam (or Dai Nam) before becoming a French protectorate was an imperialist regional entity very much the same vein with the Kingdom of Siam albeit way more backward and cruel towards their subjects in Laos and especially Kampuchea. They basically burned all things that even remotely related to Khmer culture, destroyed remnants of the Angkor. Wiped the champa from history as well as off the map. Started to vietnamized their colonial holdings by importing Vietnamese colonists. Because of this when the French defeated the Nguyễn dynasty, they basically kept most of the already existing colonial structures intact with a political and economic that was dominated by Vietnamese collaborators, effectively created French Indochina as a political entity out of a dead colonial empire. This of course made a revolution to build a union of Indochina a very problematic thing as it was very Vietnamese chauvinistic, a problem Ho recognized from the start but had no way to repeal the command from the Comintern. After the brutal crushing of the Nghệ - Tĩnh Soviets that removed most of the Comintern yesmen, Ho opted to go against the guidance from Moscow to breakup the CPI into the three separate but still united anti imperialist communist organizations for the three nations.
The other factor was pure practical reasons. The CPI when it was first formed was dominated by Vietnamese revolutionaries. With the Khmer and Laotian comrades without much say in how it operated. Which in turn created a vicious cycle where the proletariats of Kampuchea and Laos were alienated and making recruitment incredibly difficult. Combine that with the lack of knowledge in cultural norms and local terrain made CPI guerrillas easy prey to French legionnaires and their reactionary collaborating forces.
The whole idea of Vietnam trying to set up an Indochinese Union was purely ultranationalist Khmer propaganda that only resurfaced in the 60s and 70s then vouched for by Dengist China. Before that it’s common knowledge that Ho Chi Minh alongside supporting Khmer and Laotian committee that demanded the separation in the first place (a lot of those old Khmer Issarak people got purged by pol pot to keep his narrative going).>>1119920
Basically a Hun Sen social democratic dictatorship as a compromise to the west and China. Protecting the People’s Republic of Kampuchea while fighting a prolonged war against China he North and US-Chinese contras in the West made keeping the country communist untenable.
>>1120165>Protecting the People’s Republic of Kampuchea while fighting a prolonged war against China he North and US-Chinese contras in the West made keeping the country communist untenable.
Don't forget the dual recognition of Cambodia, where on one side the US and China sided with that genocidaire Saloth while the Soviets backed the PRK
It’s fucking bizarre that the Sarloth Sat/Ieng Sary clique continued to be recognized by the UN up until Vietnam left in 1986. Even worse is that most of ASEAN at the time, headed by KKY of Singapore, denied the entire genocide. Hell his son is still doing it to a lesser extent.
Because genocide didn't happen, you dumbass. Anglo world believed in genocide, while people living in the region saw none of that. It's the usual "le Soviets starved 7 gazillion Ukrainians" propaganda.
happy hari merdeka!
So why did Vietnam intervene?
Dunno, haven't read their justifications.
>>1093017>You may not like it but this is what peak Indonesian capital looks like
Well it's a work in progress>>1094134>The national kulaks are self gulaging
kek>>1016951>Majority of experts doubt capital city move ever be realised: Survey
Emperor Xi Jinping gonna asked debts scarier than before
>>1124472>Because genocide didn't happen, you dumbass
Tuol Sleng and Choeung Ek are fakes, great.
does dooming bring any benefits? have a cup of coffee lad
>MAY CHINA AUSTRALIA ANNIHILATE YE!
>INDON DELENDA EST!
envy for our assimilationist policies? envy for our military strength? envy for our standing back in the 1940s? top kek keep crying
its kinda hard to gauge what the actual realities are on the ground when the territory the NPA controls is all fuckoff jungle
According to the video they have a presence in most of the country though, and work closely with a coalition of groups and parties in the urban areas. It's understandable that their base areas would be in remote areas since this is a deliberate part of PPW as a strategy.
The Chinese stopped paying for the capital and Jakarta is sinking. It's fucked.>>1124472
Another denial. Holy shit read some books on the subject. Especially the books written by Ieng Sary and Pol Pot. Ieng's plans for DK literally spelled out that he followed Friedrich List. While Pol Pot by 1979 in his Black Document outline the plans for Kampuchea Krom.http://www.bannedthought.net/Cambodia/CPofKampuchea/PolPotPlansTheFuture-ConfidentialLeadershipDocuments-1976-77-OCR-sm.pdf>Nonetheless, Democratic Kampuchea set out to face this threat in a reactionary manner. Phnom Penh radio broadcast an appeal to "purify our armed forces, our Party and the masses of people… in defence of Cambodian territory and the Cambodian race…. One of us must kill 30 Vietnamese… two million troops would be more than enough to fight the Vietnamese, because Vietnam has only 50 million inhabitants…. We need only two million troops to crush the 50 million Vietnamese, and we would still have six million people left. We must formulate our combat line in this manner, in order to win victory." - Radio Pnompenh, A BBC recording cited by Kiernan, PPR, pp. 393-4.
Reminder that Thatcher was pro Pol Pot>>1124730
They did this shithttps://vietnam.vn/love-sharing/ba-chuc-remnants-of-the-khmer-rouges-crimes-on-this-date-of-43-years-ago-2021042221092520.html>Among the victims, there was Nguyen Thi Chuot (32 years old) who had a famous beauty throughout the region, so the Khmer Rouge army did not kill immediately, but took turns raping her right next to the corpses. After the rape was completed, they stripped her of her clothes, stabbed her genitals with sticks, causing her to die in pain. Mouse's skull is currently on display in the memorial house. Mr. Nguyen Van Kinh, a witness in the massacre, reported: - "I thought my wife, four children and six grandchildren were both killed. Before shooting, they took all jewelry and property. When I woke up, I looked around to see the whole body, I was dumbfounded to see my granddaughter hugging her mother's breast and beside her, my dear daughter lying motionless in a pool of blood. "That evening, he emerged from the pile of corpses, crawled back to Tuong mountain and entered the rocky cave to hide. At that time, "there was a constant groan of people who were tortured by Pol Pot." He added that 79 people in his family, lineage and family were killed.
>>1128124>Chinese stopped paying for the capital
Even if this is the case but that won't stop IKN from being a developer magnet in the likes of Tangerang
It's sad to be stupid, you've literally backtracked your statement previously said
>Masked off to be an imperialist lapdog, huh? Ok cuck | 2022-08-21 (Sun) 11:59:28
>MAY CHINA AUSTRALIA ANNIHILATE YE! | 2022-08-18 (Thu) 13:18:35
>Imagine supporting another country's imperialism just to quash a country's (so-called) "imperialism"
Ok malingsialan, now go kill yourself while I laugh at your retardation.
>does coping bring any benefits? have a cup of copium midwit
You love your country? What's wrong with supporting reforms in my country, dipcunt?
>it won't save you from balkanization, our fate is sealed & decided by major superpowers.
>Implies: It won't save Indostan from Balkanization, and SEA's fate including Indostan and Malaystan is sealed and decided by major superpowers
That means balkanization is also imminent for your country. Stop projecting.
>most of us just puppets after all
Bak to 4ch collaborator
>>1129206>That means balkanization is also imminent for your country. Stop projecting.
>Bak to 4ch collaborator
Indog bogged & drowned
>>1128124>Radio Pnompenh, A BBC recording cited by Kiernan, PPR, pp. 393-4.
Believable. Afterall, we don't have any reason to doubt reports on what communists say from BBC - like, remember all those dead generals dead by Kim's hands?
>>1128124>Ieng Sary<fredich list
no where in lists works did he advocate for people to move out of the cities while the gov kills the inteellectuals.
Ieng must have followed an absurd intrepertation of list
>>918884>Basically. We should’ve invaded and occupied everything down to Singapore when we had the chance in the 80s. Fuck the economy. Fuck the contras. And fuck China for sucking Nixon’s cock.
I'm glad you feel bad, Yuon>>925932>Blunder in Cambodia >You mean the war when China directly funded a genocide and a dollar store lebensraum at the behest of Jimmy Carter? Yeah that’s our fault because reasons. Kys.
So much words, Yuon nerd
Malayposter, why are you also so hating towards Viets? If you hate Indonesian dynamics then you should have supported Vietnam (because you know this is leftypol so support for AES states are highly encouraged).
You accuse me (Indoposter) of supporting imperialism and whatnot however you shilled for that cringelord Saloth, which was supported by the US and China back in the 80s EVEN SO FAR AS TO RECOGNIZE HIS GENOCIDAIRE REGIME AS THE LEGIT GOVT OF CAMBODIA.
Stop being a hypocrite you son of a bitch
>>1084139>This is your region on liberalism/ 0 conscious working class
>Yea, most SEA have this similar problem where we fall victim to outside influence even if we escape the current one we are under.
>Even if we go the ASEAN route, we still have to answer the Indonesia question, and not let ASEAN just be an extension of Indonesia.
Learn something from this SEA comrades, if you all ain't just larpers.
S’pore to repeal Section 377A: PM Lee says move to decriminalise sex between men is something that most 'will now accept' https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/ndr-2022-govt-will-repeal-section-377a-decriminalise-sex-between-men
MAJULAH! PAP-CHADS STAY WINNING
Learn what exactly?>>1129738
Christfags on suicide watch. I don't think anyone would change their vote on this anyway
Also it is a decent L for PAP since they rebuffed many attempts to repeal 377A quite strongly and harshly so now they look like they kinda cucked out to the pink dot movement.
To be fair there were plans to move back into cities but that would have been implemented 10 years down the line. After selling grain for Hong Kong to industrialized and finishing the genocide in South Vietnam. Step 1 failed from the get go with rice production collapsing and the eastern region rebellion against rice quotas and racism against minorities.
The big inspiration of list is from the autarky that he proposed for economic development. Which couldn’t even be done in Nazi Germany with their excessive Weimar era industrialization let alone a bombed out narodnik controlled Kampuchea that was mired in infighting.>>1129249>no argument
Try better larper
sir while list advocated for import substitution, he was still a big believer of trade. Which is why the countries tht followed his advice (south korea, german empire, 1800s usa, japan and arguably modern china) integrated themselves into the worldwide trade networks. It's just that he believed there needs to be a form of protectionism and industrial support for manufacturing companies or national champions first before free trade would be pursued. after that is achieved in his mind, countries and their companies should become economic international champions
i dont think anyone in cambodia followed or believed in this economic model
They sadly did against the material reality of their country and it’s why it pushed their downfall into overdrive. Ideally they could’ve industrialized in the 80s alongside Laos with Soviet help. But they instead tried to do a hothouse version of Khieu Samphan’s plans, creating a bizarre hybrid of national capitalism and fevered ultranationalist war for rejuvenation.>Earlier, when such an extreme solution would probably have been inconceivable, the first analysis indicating a path for Cambodian development, the 1959 doctoral dissertation of Khieu Samphan, who was to become one of the dominant circle in post-1975 DK, was specifically not revolutionary. It was neither Marxist nor Leninist. It called for development of an indigenous capitalism, cutting loose from the international capitalist network. Samphan wanted to disrupt through economic change, not violence, what he considered the "feudal" old Cambodian society and foster a national capitalism. It meant an induced and enforced development of capitalism with a limit on free trade, and the intellectual antecedents went back, not to Marx, but to Friedrich List, an economist of the nineteenth-century German national revival. - Khieu Samphan, Cambodia's Economy and Industrial Development, trans. By Laura Summers, Data paper Ill, Southeast Asia Project, Department of Asian Studies, Cornell University, March 1979.>>In the countryside, although formal ownership was abolished, those peasants who fell into the favored "base" categories generally remained in possession of their means ofproduction, houses, fowl, and personal plots, and had defacto, if not de jure, privileges in food consumption. - observed by Yugoslav journalists in Battambang who visited Cambodia in 1978 (BBe, Summary of World Broadcasts, FE/5801/B/3- 8,29 April 1978).
It was effectively a Nazi regime controlled by kulaks. The base people most of the time are rural landlords with certain zones effectively ruled by people like Ta Mok a kulak ganger vouched into the party for pol pot as his muscle.
One thing anyone must admit with a nuanced take. The Cambodian genocide happened but was way more emphasized than comparable events in Indonesia or South Korea. However the lack of death is more likely attributed for incompetent rather than the lack of effort. Their radio shows by 1978 was near rabid in propaganda about race wars and genocide. The borders were soaked in bloody massacres that started using the excuse to hunt down the purged eastern zone. They were fully intent to wipe out the population of at least south of Vietnam and if possible the entire country with Chinese help. The Chinese on the other hand wasn’t so optimistic, they only used DK as a diversion for their true objective was to invade Vietnam to get on Jimmy Carter’s good side and normalize relations with America.
(Please be more optimistic on those issues. This is not a place to doom.)
By dooming and not fighting you surrender to the very ideology you are opposed to - in this case (as well as the rest of this board's), capitalism.
Why would you silently promote capitalism in a leftist board by making posts that imply that change is impossible and it's okay to surrender to capitalism because there is no more hope?
Also, a highlight from your previous post:
>Join the fray, faggot.
Join the fray? You mean become like the uninformed masses and become hedonistic capitalists in its process? Jesus, you are indeed a liberal in red garb. Go back to 4ch, you fucking piece of fucking collaborator. You have no fucking place here, son of a fucking bitch.
I wish for your fucking country's balkanization if you were to fucking do the same fucking shit to mine.
>>1133374>I wish for your fucking country's balkanization if you were to fucking do the same fucking shit to mine.
Amen, thanks a lot
Are you a Christian Tamil Malaysian? If so, that interests me! You said that you oppose whites, East Asians, and Bumiputeras, so I may speculate that you're what I mentioned earlier. Thanks for dropping the redpill!
>>1134916>I heard theres a vietnamese guy in here, can you tell me if its true?
Yep, he posts with the VC flag, his name is Bogger online (he's also especially active in the matrix)
Is your girlfriend a gusano by any chance? Because this sounds like some next level vitriol for a country most Americans can’t even point to on a map.>taxes
There’s a lot of taxes. Kinda like a Nordic countries. However most of it is aimed at taxing private businesses large or small and not for the average wage labor.>education
Free education exists but only partly. You’re basically covered tuition wise till high school with a few extra curricular fees here and there. After that it’s cheap college unless you’re entering medical school.>welfare
Huge system but really bureaucratic. So scamming people to give up their pension funds and job welfare is good business for unscrupulous companies.>healthcare
Very similar (in some case literally the same) system of health insurance coverage as China. Basically you will get 70-80% of your bills paid for by insurance as long as you go to hospitals of the same coverage. Free healthcare is definitely possible as it was temporarily implemented under Covid-19. It didn’t continue due to government budgetary constraints.
I can't stop thinking about this and must know; Why on earth didn't you just use a search engine?
not a Gusano, likes Vietnam and Uncle Ho. Not in America either. Apparently after Ho Chi Minh died the party lost its way a little though. What do you think about that?
But the way you make Vietnam sound better than she made it sound. Is there anywhere I can read more about modern Vietnam?>>1136410
stuff online gives me conflicting results. Plus I like hearing from people who actually live in the system.
>>1136414>Apparently after Ho Chi Minh died the party lost its way a little though. What do you think about that?
Sounds like a reductive as hell narrative. Ho Chi Minh was the founder of the party and country but it has always a collective leadership of the politburo. We never had periods of purging or leadership that ignored democratic centralism like in China or the USSR. The closest I think to the country being lost in direction was when the USSR collapsed and along with it the main economic support from Comecon.>Is there anywhere I can read more about modern Vietnam?
Most of the Vietnamese MSM have English versions. Hell the party even have their main magazine in English in the Communist Review. https://www.tapchicongsan.org.vn/web/english/home
Just note to avoid news from US mouthpieces like RFA, BBC Vietnamese, and VOA or the unofficial stooges from gusano larping parties in America. Especially avoid shit from Falun Gong about Vietnam like Epoch Times and New Tang Dynasty because those fuckers are kinda insane.
Another kinda succinct but dubiously right wing source for modern Vietnamese history is Sách Bên Thắng Cuộc, by Huy Đức (After Victory which chronicled Vietnamese politics after 1976). It’s on amazon and in English, I think.
something like this shit also great too
(depict entire region stupidity & make it as our SEA banner lmao)
Also how do the Vietnamese feel about Bùi Tín? is he viewed as a war hero or as a traitor?
What did he do to be a hero though? He’s just a journalist.>The political commissar Lieutenant colonel Bui Van Tung arrived at the Palace 10 minutes after the first tanks.: 95 Minh realised this was the highest ranking officer around then said: "We are waiting to hand over the cabinet", Tung replied immediately: "You have nothing to hand over but your unconditional surrender to us". Tung then wrote the surrender speech and escorted Minh to the Radio Saigon to announce it in order to avoid any further needless bloodshed. The surrender announcement was recorded by German journalist Börries Gallasch's tape recorder.
>Colonel Bùi Tín, a military journalist was at the Palace around noon to witnessed the events. In his memoir, he confirmed that Lt.-Col Bui Van Tung was the one accepted the surrender and wrote the statement for Minh. However, in an interview with WGBH Educational Foundation in 1981, he falsely claimed that he was the first high officer met Minh and accepted the surrender (with Tung's words). This claim was repeated after his defection from Vietnam and sometimes cited mistakenly by foreign correspondents and historians.
I find it extremely funny that up until 2016 Wikipedia still wrongly cited him. The edit history on the fall of Saigon article is full of contradictions due to gusano salty edits.>>1136674>Le Duan
Vietnamese Stalin>Nguyen Phu Trong
He’s okay. One of the last politicians of the Soviet educated generation.
>>1136754>>Nguyen Phu Trong
If there are possible successors to him, will there be any differences? How does the Soviet education system impact politics there? Like for example in economics, FP, and military fields.
Nah it’s not just disputed but outright falsehood. Nobody in the country believes it as it was something he boasted to western press when he defected in the 90s. Tín was a sad and pathetic character really. Reading about how he basically lived day to day by slandering the country while receiving welfare in Paris till the day he died left me with something in the middle of enjoying him getting his comeuppance and feeling sorry for the poor bastard.https://cand.com.vn/Nguoi-trong-cuoc/Bui-Tin-tuoi-xe-chieu-o-Paris-i315181/
Interesting enough that like many other gusanos he denied all of the supposed “massacres” falsely attributed to the PAVN because most of it is so ridiculous and racist that even ardent anti communists would call it bullshit.>>1138036
Most of the later generations are native educated or Czech students during Prague Spring.
Hahaha my sides>>1136662>something like this shit also great too (depict entire region stupidity & make it as our SEA banner lmao)
Its suitable with your region, SEA dwellers. There are 13 wojak creatures for each country (Burn-Ma, Thai-ladyboys, Law-os, Indon, Malon, Nguyen, Filipinx, Singavore, Bruh-Nay, Polpot-land, EE, Kalar-Rohingya, & probably Western New Guinea)
>>1138728>Western New Guinea
That already belongs to Oceania if it were to exist
It's not just a matter of politics, it's also about geography. East of the Lydekker line you get Sahul (that one giant landmass joining both Papua and Australia together on the last ice age). While SEA refers to the ex-Sunda part of Indonesia plus Wallacea and Maluku.
Are there any discussions on the MCP yet - including their Sarawakian compatriots? If so, any thoughts on that organization?
This party started 2 "insurgencies" - one from 1948 until 1960 and another from 1968 until 1989 (the latter ended due to Hat Yai). (The Sarawakians are still fighting until 1990 when another agreement with Kuala Lumpur was reached).
there's always a lot of seething about Lai Teck
As a Vietnamese I’m deeply sorry that that guy used to be a party member here. At least the fucker got karma from getting beaten to death by Thai communists.
I'd like to read more about the MCP, most of what I know was from what I learned from school. For regular people the MCP are considered to be barbaric terrorists, especially the infamous "Bintang Tiga" (Three Stars) due to their brutal reprisal towards japanese collaborators who happened to be mostly malay. Communists are associated with chinese people, even the DAP, a socdem party with a primarily chinese support base gets regularly accused of being communist. Lots of uneasy ethnic tension and anti-chinese racism.>>1141229>worked for the french while in vietnam>worked for the british and the japanese in malaya
What a cursed resume. From which glowie hole did he come out of and how the hell did he manage to slip into the MCP?
Have you read From PKI to Comintern?https://vi.b-ok.asia/s/From%20PKI%20to%20the%20Comintern
Pretty good summary of his actions. The biggest factor of his rise was that he had in-depth knowledge on communist theory and organizing from his time in the CPI. Combine that with his neutral position of not being a Chinese diaspora nor Malayan and him disposing any rivals by reporting them to the British colonial police made him the only one capable of leading.>>1141293
Laos has a lot of problems with the American trained Hmong contras so the ideology is formalized to address the ethnic unity process as well as a platform of people’s democracy against monarchism.
If one can compare the MCP with the PKI, are there notable differences other than how their legacies end?
>their relations with the 2 communist superpwoers
Happy Hari Merdeka for our Malaysian comrades!
Gorbachev died the day before. Malaysia went independent on 8/31/1957. So it's been 65 years since they broke free of British imperialism.
It was actually existed barrack communism. That somehow is anti communist at the same time. Aung San’s concessions to the British and his subsequent killing was the straw that broke the camels back for Burmese politics. It all went down hill from there. Their book on the subject is vague as hell, and from the outset just seems like bits of Marx, bits of Hegel with Buddhist superstition mixed in. https://www.burmalibrary.org/sites/burmalibrary.org/files/obl/docs/System-of-correlation.htm>The material world consists of the whole of our material environment. In other words it constitutes the entire Okasaloka: the four principal elements of existence evincing apparently converse characteristics which on deeper anal/sis are the same-abstract Earth whose characteristics are to harden and to soften, abstract Water whose characteristics are to flow and to paste, abstract Air whose characteristics are to expand and to contract, and< abstract Heat whose characteristics are to heat and to cool; and the tangibles that we see or feel such as the forests and the mountains, the seas and the skies, the planets, the stars and space.*
Fucking Avatar the last airbender ever here.>The vegetable kingdom has life but no consciousness, and is therefore categorised under the material world.
What the actual fuck?>Making money divisible by 9
No matter how you cut it it was fucking retarded.
>>1145538>Making money divisible by 9
if you're going to go so far as to fuck with entire numeral systems why wouldn't you just make all math base 12
Which country does he side? Wikipedia told me that his regime is that of a neutral left-leaning one.
Dude thought because it was his lucky number it would just work. Truly amazing how much Buddhism rots your brain.>>1145545
Third positionist nationalism. There are spotty stuff on them sending people to the eastern block for training but not concrete. They also waged a still continuing war with the Communist Party of Burma who fled to China.
If you mean the Communist Party of Kampuchea (better known as the Khmer Rouge) they lost power and was in refuge by the Thai borders after being curb stomp in a single week. The later only adopted ultranationalism and renounced communism completely despite the name, which they’ve been attempting to hide ever since taking power in 1975.
The later party that was set up was the Cambodian People’s Party. Led by Heng Samrin and now Hun Sen. They dropped Marxist Leninism due to pressures from America and China to stop being pro Vietnam in 1986. Hun Sen was the final concession other than now integrating the the Khmer Rouge remnants back into the government as the liberal pro western and pro Chinese factions. The pro western faction got purged so there’s now Hun Sen trying to walk the tight rope of not falling for China and triggering an Ukraine invasion lite response from the Vietnamese government and being completely dependent on the bri economically.
The unspoken agreement is that as long as Cambodia stays neutral, there will be peace.
Links for free read because fuck premium news papershttps://archive.ph/3aysv
Well outside of the revolutionary museum in Hà Nội and the war remnants museum in HCM city I would suggest visiting sites like the Cu Chi tunnels, the Quang Tri battlegrounds, and the independence palace.
Speaking of that other anon talking about tourist sites:
What's good to eat in Vietnam?
So much royalist cuckoldry in the Singapore subreddit
But why though? Wasn’t the freedom from bong rule a good thing?>>1158815
Depends on where you intend to go. Like China, each regions will have different variations of “noodles in a bowl” and pastries with some unique specialties.
>>1163542>Wasn’t the freedom from bong rule a good thing?
You'd think, yeah. We really half-assed decolonisation, allowing these pernicious ideas to take hold: "Well it wasn't that bad. So civilised! So enlightened! That Sir Stamford, what a visionary!" Overlaid over that is the generic liberal perception of the West as the standard bearers of freedom and democracy.
I like seafood, to be honest.
中秋节快乐! Hope you cut your mooncakes into slices before eating it instead of biting the whole thing.
Bjorka trending in Twitter now
>My thoughts: Based Bjorka for exposing those dread boomers. He needs a cup of black tubruk coffee from me
>>1163815>non whites are not ready to rule because uh reasons!!!
So sick of the Eurocentric bullshit. They should just go mask off and say that their race is superior or something. The worst of this is the third world cucks who genuinely believes in it. I know plenty of retarded shills that say deft immolating shit like “other countries are more civilized because they have liberalism and western values” while simping for Japan and Korea. Bitch they killed millions of our own people through planned famines in the country! That ain’t civilized! Fuck those guys.>>1165282>Cutting moon cakes
Absolutely shit taste. You’re better off holding the entire thing to eat. Why else they make it tea cake size.>>1163934
We have tons of that. From hagfish stew to clam rice to rock lobster. But the best yet is flesh squids caught and cook right on the boat.
He's a Viet what else are you expecting lad
>>1168919>Not having multiple moon cakes with different fillings at the ready on a plate
You basically have to eat the rind outside with most of the pastry already. If you want to enjoy the thing proportionally the only way is to cut the rind off completely.
What do SEAbros think of Taiwanese millennials and zoomers? My family is from there but I'm afraid to see what the kids are like, because my impression of them is of huge Japan dicksuckers who wish they'd had the chance to fight for Hirohito.
All I know is that they are mostly pro-US people who votes for DPP because China is seen as a threat to its existence.
Which is funny because if China tool over they'd just install the KMT and keep the status quo on the island economically
This thread has made me hungry.
Philippines-anon, I'm planning om moving to your country for the time being, can you please brief me on the situation?
What is your relationship with China and USA? Does everyone speak English? What are some good cheap places to live in? Is there a high risk of being mugged, scammed, etc? What are some precautions that I should take? Is there something I should be aware of? Would my freelance income be taxed?
Tell me everything you want to tell me.
Also, don't worry, I'm not a sex tourist.
Most Filipinos are English speakers. So don't worry.
he's a chinlet who rode on islamist populism, worse than jokowi
although, he himself is just an opportunist that took on the islamic populism chance, just like most indonesian politician, fucking rats.
Incompetent fuck who ruined Jakarta. He cannot rule, instead stealing the position as governor from based Ahok. Fuck him and fuck Sandiaga.
>>1176096>he's a chinlet who rode on islamist populism, worse than jokowi
every single right-wing populist is to be disagreed upon
>>1175767>Any opinions on this guy running for president? Seems like Jokowi 2.0. to me.
You know in here, kadruns (Islamic chauvinists/fundamentalists) worship Anies cliques. Meanwhile libs & current regime bootlickers (cebongs) suck on Jokowi cliques, so yeah it's not worth to support both of em.>>1176096>he's a chinlet who rode on islamist populism, >worse than jokowi
>>1176608>Incompetent fuck who ruined Jakarta. He cannot rule, instead stealing the position as governor from based Ahok. Fuck him and fuck Sandiaga.>based Ahok
You might want to think again about that. Cuz Jakarta Unfair
documentary movie exposed dirty work of Ahok.
>>1176611>every single right-wing populist is to be disagreed upon
The only good praxis
>>1175767>>1176322>Jesus fuck he does look exactly like a /pol/jak
kek ur right
just look at him menacingly stare into ur soul
In my opinion evictions from slum areas are good so long as they still take care of the same people. No one wants slums. Commieblocks for everyone!
>>1177466>In my opinion evictions from slum areas are good so long as they still take care of the same people. No one wants slums. Commieblocks for everyone!
Well that's the problem. Jakarta ex-governor known as Ahok didn't take care of em. Sure he promised us with benevolent dictatorship ideals similar like Lee Kuan Yew, but as you can see here >>925837
(not even our fellow Singaporean, consider LKY as a savior).>>1175767>>1176322>>1177457
Do you also know who look alike with /pol/jak? This guy>>1177317>You know in here, kadruns (Islamic chauvinists/fundamentalists) worship Anies cliques. Meanwhile libs & current regime bootlickers (cebongs) suck on Jokowi cliques, so yeah it's not worth to support both of em.
Indeed, Ahok sides with Jokowi coalition back then. So there we go, we got nice pair of liberals & fascists figures from both sides. Or I should've say, democrats & republicans
but with Indonesian flavor.
Ban da tung toi r/VietNam chua? Nghe noi phan dong gioi tre ko quan tam ve chu nghia dan chu va ko thich chinh phu?
>literally clones of each other
/pol/jak? More like Jakartajak!
Imagine if we get the board DDoS’ed again by calling every governor a chinlet.>>1177720>r/vietnam
Literally a shithole sub. The mods unironically tolerate Nazi level of racism.https://old.reddit.com/r/VietNam/comments/tzcz97/do_vietnamese_hate_chinese/>reddit
Thats what I thought, also a large amount of posts are english so its probably mostly diaspora
Not all of reddit is shit, just need to find the right subs
Some translation critiques. The Worker’s party of Vietnam didn’t exist during that certain period (it was reformed in 1951), the more correct name would be the CPI or the Communist party of Indochina.>Thousands of people were deported to the inhospitable Irian mountains and the communist leaders were all incarcerated in special camps.<no mention of torture, executions and deaths at all
Classic whitewashing by the French frogs. Like how shooting the corpses of revolutionaries they executed in Indochina was completely censored.>no mention of the genocides in Timor and Papua
Nah all of reddit is different flavors of shit. It’s ran from the top down by bots commanded by US military personnel as a mass astroturfing campaign.
VietAnon, are you in Vietnam right now? If I were to ask for your assistance for an emergency, some mutual aid stuff, do you think you'd be able to help? It wouldn't be something that would take a lot of effort on your part, but I'm asking just in case.
I‘ll check out the translation thread. Seems good to give some useful critiques to translations and check out the sources they used in the book.>>1180414
Of course. I’ve lived here my entire life.
But anonymity and all that.
Is there any contact I can send to you that'll be convenient? Telegram, email, whatever? I definitely don't want you revealing any less of your anonymity in this board out of all places but I'm fine putting my number here, I can get doxed for all I care.
There’s a south East Asian thread on /int/ on 4chan with Vietnamese if you’re looking for more options
Damn dude what’s make you so desperate. I don’t exactly use social media outside of anonymous boards.
Which region are you in now?
Black Book of capitalism Anon here, I just wanted to know if you would like to write something about colonial era Indochina or South Vietnam before the war, or if you could link us to relevant documentation.
>>1189954>Most Thais don't see suitable candidate for PM
Why would they? Anyone even half notable will be deposed or shot, with their supporters shot like dogs in the street.
What do you expect from a monarchy?
So is that Vietnamese guy asking for help dead or what. Why did he stop responding
Busy with work. You can find me on the matrix if you want.
no I meant this guy>>1180414(USER WAS WARNED FOR SPAMMING ANTI-COMMUNIST SHIT IN LIKE EVERY OTHER POST OTHER THAN IN THIS THREAD)
>>1204803>almost 200 dead
Man wtf it’s only a local game. It’s not like Indonesian football is anywhere near Thailand.
Damn I didn’t even know 200 people would watch Indonesian football live.
Damn, it was not even 5 weeks ago that one of the head of the police was exposed for having ties to the gambling mafia after killing one of his crewmate, and now this? i hate silops so much.>>1206293
Yeah, but it isn't the football fans fault, they were shot with tear gas, flash bangs and flares by cops after some bunch went to the field, so of course it would create a stampede, not to mention that 3 of the stadium exits were locked.
https://www.democrazy.id/2022/10/Ya-Ampun-Gegara-Kritik-Polri-Mahasiswa-di-Halmahera-Utara-Dianiaya-dan-Dipaksa-Minta-Maaf-ke-Anjing-Pelacak.html>North Halmaheran college student harrassed by cops and was forced to apologize to police tracking dog after critcizing the indonesian police>"Based on the information we have gathered, this heinous incident began because of the victim's expression of the performance of law enforcement officers in carrying out the process of securing the mass action related to the increase in fuel prices through the victim's WhatsApp status. A day later, 4 (four) unknown people came to look for the victim in his residence at around 21.00 WIT,">"While the four perpetrators asked the victim about the identity of a photo, then the perpetrators suddenly hit him in the face, the victim was strangled, and taken out of the house to a public road. When the victim was dragged away, the perpetrator continued to beat the victim causing bruises under the eyes, The lower lip broke, and was strangled again until the victim fell unconscious," he continued.>"Furthermore, at around 21:35 WIT, the four perpetrators took the victim to the North Halmaheran Police station. When they arrived at the location, the victim was dragged into a dog kennel and threatened that they could kill the victim and no one will knew. The victim then was beaten again by the perpetrator, kicked with a knee, and tried to scare the victim by showing videos of beatings of mass protesters that he would suffer the same fate as the protester who was arrested for refusing fuel prices in Ternate," he said.>"It didn't stop there, after the victim pleaded with the police to stop the beating because he couldn't bear the pain of the scar in the left side of his abdomen left from an operation, the victim was forced to roll on the wet floor, and was ordered to prostrate with the victim's hands placed on the inside of the back for a long period of time. After the victim experienced muscle failure, he then was forced to do push-ups," he explained.>"Furthermore, the victim was forced to squat down and run around the North Halmaheran Police Station until he rolled on the asphalt road, and again ran around the volleyball field five times with the excuse that it was his first introduction to the police station. He was forced to carry out orders. After this incident, the victim was asked to apologize to the North Halmaheran Police sniffer dog. After being treated cruelly for approximately two hours, the victim was escorted home by one of the perpetrators who allegedly participated in arresting the victim on behalf of Fidi K, " he said.>"In addition, based on the information we received, the victim was also offered 'peace money'. We also condemn the offer to settle the case to be pursued through the peace route and offer compensation in the amount of money to the victim's family which was carried out by the North Halmaheran Police, the Loloda District, to the West Halmahera Regency. Based on the information we have obtained, the victim and the victim's family firmly reject the settlement of cases through peaceful means, and encourage the perpetrators to be punished and processed through the criminal justice system. We consider this step a rotten attempt to avoid legal responsibility of the perpetrators to be free from criminal threats," he said.
shit's depressing, he wasn't even a communist, he was just mildly left-leaning, kondisi sangat suram.
i'm voooting for the parti sosialis
polisi tidur patung polisi, but thats a shitty anti-communist chinlet website and has tons of bullshit articles, it's only vaguely "anti-establishment" just like burger conservatards.
I mean I would vote for psm but I don't think they will send their candidate in my area. It either will be the conservative, the islamist or the liberal
should I just go for the popular front route and vote the liberal
Damn not even the DAP contest your area?>>1216105
I think you should vote and not expect too much, since it seem you live in a safe seat area.
yea my options are either BN/PAS or PKR
I mean back in GE14 PRM did sent a candidate but of course they got no chance winning at all
Damn then don’t sweat too hard over to vote for. Just flip a coin if you must vote.
Unless you are sure to get a majority in the front you shouldn’t. At least 50% leftists.
How is the campaigning in Bolehland?
anything to spite the kangaroos
From the Australians? Fuck them they had it too good for too long. Gibsmedat!
What the hell is Mossad doing all the way over in Malaysia?
From what I read, the Palestinian man is a programmer for Hamas
They are fucking everywhere. They even got caught snooping at S-300 missiles here. By some goat farmers no less.
are they really that sloppy with their job?
Imagine being caught by Malaysian intelligence. What a huge L.
From my opinion it seems like Malaysia has a hate towards Israel, as they refuse to grant visas for Israelis.
Ngl its still cramped in Java island. When so many people can fit in there, doesn't mean its comfortable or wholesome. We need to get rid of outdated housing system such as putting people inside a zoo similar place. And yes, screw with that Khrushchev "apartment" housing plans.
If that is your take you are a schizo. It is an opportunity to talk about the development of agricultural societies and the need to protect natural systems (especially rainforests).
>>1231056>Imagine being caught by Malaysian intelligence. What a huge L.
Cope & seethe, anglos>>1232165>From my opinion it seems like Malaysia has a hate towards Israel, as they refuse to grant visas for Israelis.
Fuck off, Isn'treal shill
Of course, Malay is better than bunch of Indogs.>>1231056>bla-bla-bla could someone think of zionistard?
Eat dirt & stones, Zionist stooge>>1232165>Israelis
Settlers. No such thing as Israel. Its always Palestine. Forever.
Why the fuck are you LARPing?>>1236438
He has been unbanned
PSM-bros…… we got cucked by mahathir's buttboy
Damn what happened to the PSM?
did muda fuck shit up or something?
Well shit. Is it worth it to vote for other left leaning parties like DAP or Amanah? Surely anything must be better than BN.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't DAP more capitalistic than PKR? Idk for me if they didn't even gave a single seat for the only true progressive party in malaysia then they might as well be the same as BN really
I'm actually clueless on the matter. AFAIK DAP is a socdem party and PKR is a liberal party, also Anwar has some sussy connections with the US.
So far I heard that DAP drop their progressive candidate for GE15 like Charles Santiago
It seems like ph trying to placate for conservative voters instead. Yeah I don't think they gonna win. Last time they only win because BERSATU able to attract moderate right and people just want to get rid of Najib
Common PH L.>>1244499>>1244501
Did Santiago wanted to leave? PSM should ask him to run on their ticket or something
Didn't heard anything about him leaving though, DAP explain that he have been serving for too long and decided it's time to bring in young faces
That's kinda dumb, especially when the decision isn't made by or even consented by him
selamat sore dan jangan lupa mobil pelat merah dan mobil mewah
i told you bros….. time to vote for pejuang and the based anti-imperialist MAHAfiraun
Well that’s fucking gay. Porky electoralism is all performance and no substance.>>1246111
Big brain chad move
Direct action is needed but your vote matters just a bit, to avoid worst case scenario.
For the meantime just carry a small knife in your pocket, go to a parking lot and just stab the shit out of big cars' tyres
umm… plat cantiknya gimana ya?
dipiloxin biar kalang kabut tuh yg punya
Selamat pagi saya bodokansekali
ada yang ngopi gak disini?
If only they can cooperate together, especially in regards to their SCS territorial disputes…
French Anon from the BBOC thread here. Are you the same Vietnamese Anon who kindly gave input on Indochina and South Vietnam era and if yes, is your translation of Road to Revolution going well? Be sure there is at least one person who would really like to read it.
Still working on it. Probably will post the first 3 chapters on the thread later.
Question for the Malaysians: does Pang Khee Teik glow? For some reason I have him in my social media feed, and lately it's all freedom/democracy/NGO-posting, including one bizarre exchange with a DPRK defector turned entrepreneur who wants to make an app for defectors
My guess would be a criticism of the G20 conference. While Jokowi consoles both Putin and Zelensky, people are dying and losing their homes.
Idk who he is, seems like an average liberal idpol dude but damn I've always hate the generic lgbt aesthetic that prioritize peace, democracy, and so on. Like the US got their own gun club but of course given the context of Malaysia then maybe a martial art club is the least they can do, surely you don't go soft of people who are trying to kill you. Maybe there's already one but I'm just unaware of it
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