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 No.77541[Last 50 Posts]

My love was born in Aberdeen,
The bonniest kid that e'er was seen;
But now he makes our hearts fu' sad—
He's ta'en the field wi' his white cockade.
O, he's a ranting, roving blade!
⁠O, he's a brisk and a bonny lad!
Betide what may, my heart is glad
To see my lad wi' his white cockade.

But seriously tho when do we found a Left-Jacobite Party like they have Left-Carlists in Spain.
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 No.77546

What are the chances of scotland gets independence soon?
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 No.77548

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Butcher's Apron? Nah Pal I only fly the Red Flag.
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 No.77551

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This is what they took from us
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 No.77553

>>77546
odds on independence by 2030:
if sturgeon remains first minister: 0%
if sturgeon's chicanery destroys the pro-independence majority at holyrood: 2% (mostly dependent on Monica Lennon becoming Scottish Labour leader)
if someone actually pro-independence takes over the SNP and a pro independence majority remains at holyrood: 25%
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 No.77554

>>77553
Odds is Snp get disestablishmentarianist leadership 100%
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 No.77556

Modern Jacobite Platform:
- The House of Windsor is illegitimate and should be removed through public referendum; restoration of the House of Stuart as preference
- The Construction of a Confederation of the Isles, to include the Republic and any independent states.
- Support for Tenant Rights; from the crofter to the boroughs
- Promotion of National Culture in England, Wales, Scotland; state-funded Ceilidhs as a given
- Armed neutrality: out of NATO with an independent nuclear deterrent
- Religious Liberty as a paramount, disestablishment of the church of england, a national fund for repairing church roofs
- Localism as a priority: opposed to Independence but support DevoMax. An English Parliament and a though system of Mayors and Councils with real powers underneath them.
- Running in All the countries of the UK and the Republic of Ireland
- Reunification with Ireland under a Stuart Monarch
- Recognition of the Plantation and the Highland Clearances as acts of Ethnic Cleansing
- Integration of the Isle of Mann into the Parliament proper
- Building a 200m Statue of Bonnie Prince Charlie just over the other side of the Firth of Forth (would be the tallest statue in the World).
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 No.77557

>>77546
Tbh if Sturgeon survives the current crisis, probs pretty low. Atm they would win an indyref, but Sturgeon has got to get to that point, and in all honesty she has no bottle.
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 No.77570

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 No.77571

>>77570
Lmao I literally cannot comprehend how people can focus this much on such a tiny issue.
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 No.77574

>>77570
don't worry, the angry man wasting other people's money quota will be more than met by George Galloway.
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 No.77577

>>77556
What is the Jacobite position on the Commonwealth?
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 No.77581

>>77577
Alright I suppose, but Gaelic should be an official language.
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 No.77585

>>77541
>>77551
>>77556
Mother of cringe.
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 No.77587

>>77585
t. Wee bit german lairdie
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 No.77592

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>>77587
I miss this Stuart king.
https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjrome.htm

"The Pope is Antichrist…"
–King James VI & I
Meditation Upon Revelation 20:7-10
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 No.77596

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GOD SAVE THE KING
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 No.77610

>>77557
i kinda fail to see who in the snp can reasonably take the party over after her tho. cherry is a fucking non starter btw, plan b is just plan a with extra steps that will fail just as hard, and her terfy bullshit will sooner split the snp than lead it on a proper road to indy. if she becomes leader the yoons will have basically won, watch how the tories become biggest defenders of trans rights just to dunk on snp "nazis" after that
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 No.77613

>>77571
Seriously, how does something so utterly irrelevant manage to make people lose their minds.
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 No.77616

>>77610
The tories can't risk that as it would upset the all powerful mumsnet lobby, the whole of the country is under the control of yummy mummys who get angry over mangos.
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 No.77617

>>77616
>mangos
What's this about mangos?
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 No.77618

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Not even Bri'ish.
Just Australian.
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 No.77619

>>77617
The yummy mummys take their mango consumption very seriously.
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 No.77620

>>77610
at the moment are that the finance secretary Kate Forbes is the favourite to replace Sturgeon in the betting odds.
Cherry's already said she doesn't want to be leader. (although it's worth remembering that Salmond said "If nominated I'll decline. If drafted I'll defer. And if elected I'll resign" in 2004, the same year he was elected as leader of the SNP for the second time - bouncing Sturgeon out of frontrunner status.)
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 No.77622

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>>77618
There.
These should allow you to get fencing with a broadsword in no time.
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 No.77626

>>77620
What is Kate Forbes actually like as a politician?
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 No.77654

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>>77592
Now look at the wall
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 No.77657

>>77610
Honestly large proportion of tories are pro-trans rights. Teresa may way at least.

If you look online Trans people get more hate from 'radical feminists' than reactionaries.
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 No.77658

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>>77620
>Kate Forbes
QT3.14
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 No.77659

>>77657
This, so much this. It's very much an upper middle class disease TERFery.
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 No.77662

>>77657
The tories are fine with it they're just very aware that they have to be careful with the issue or they risk scaring off the middle class TERFs and think of the children types. The most recent walkback of tory policy on expanding trans identification is an example of that.
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 No.77736

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>>77596
>>77654
You're going on about Germans, but what if I told you that the man you're shilling for is a KRAUT?
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 No.77744

>>76892
Australia seems to be the testing/breeding ground for all NATO initiatives.
>>76367
It's a shame he lost his seat, probably one of a handful of Labour MPs who would belong in a socialist Britain.
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 No.77748

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>>77736
The House of Stuart entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to battle against everybody else and nobody was going to battle against them. In Highbridge, Prestonpans, Culloden, and half a hundred other places, they put that rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind and now they are going to reap the whirlwind
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 No.77749

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The Jacobites relied on foreign mercenaries because they had no real support in Britain.
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 No.77758

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>>77749
Nigga im beggin you to stop posting this slanderous cringe
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 No.77759

>>77749
By "foreign", this anglo means Irish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT3GwWTkVFo
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 No.77761

>>77759
I was talking about Hessians, but the Irish too.
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 No.77784

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"Rome is the Seat of the Antichrist."
–King James VI & I
A Premonition to All Most Mightie Monarches

"…Popery is in deed The mysterie of iniquitie…"
–King James VI & I

"Antichrist and his clergie…not only infect the earth…but rule also over the whole…"
–King James VI & I
Meditation Upon Revelation 20:7-10
1605 Speech to Parliament

Anti-Papist Gang report in
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 No.77795

>>77761
The Hessians fought for Cumberland you dim fechter.
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 No.77796

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>>77784
Reporting
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 No.77800

>>77546
I would say pretty high honestly. We need a socialist orientated independence party that aren't trots before the SNP do it themselves, if indeed they will.

>>77610
It is worth remembering that support for independence generally isn't pegged to support for the SNP, I know few people who really like the SNP besides turbo nats, of which there admittedly a few, but average people, they like independence more than they like the SNP, and would vote YES regardless of what the SNP was saying. Balkanisation of the SNP combined with high support for independence is the ultimate outcome.

>>77616
>yummy mummies
it aint the yummy ones what is browsing mumsnet, at least, if the people on my FB who post mumsnet threads are anything to go by.
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 No.77803

>>77759
The Irish have been saying for the last few hundred years that they are not British. If they are not British they are foreign especially if they are papists.
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 No.77806

>>77800
If the SNP balkanizes before securing a referendum it's pretty long odds on independence soon
it would require the pro-UK parties were to do something totally out of character, like a Labour scottish govt (even less likely than independence in 2021) passing a referendum bill because the SNP are on 30% of the vote and they're feeling overconfident that they can better together it a second time
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 No.77809

>>77800
No one who actually describes themselves as a yummy mummy is actually yummy in any sense of the word. Mumsnet is filled with self described yummy mummys and since no one actually calls someone else a "yummy mummy" unironically I am happy to describe mumsnet yummy mummys as yummy mummys. Mumsnet and middle class mothers are a plague unto this world.
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 No.77813

Scotland is not a nation, and its historical destiny is to be absorbed into England, as Engels knew.
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 No.77817

>>77795
Many deserted or barely fought. Also the Jacobites were propped up by France.
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 No.77825

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>Scotland is not a nation, and its historical destiny is to be absorbed into England, as Engels knew.
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 No.77826

>>77806
>feeling overconfident that they can better together it a second time
Which to reinforce your point will never happen after Brexit made the British establishment realise they couldn't actually rely on just backing one side of a referendum and guaranteeing victory.
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 No.77830

77825
The union jack represents the pre-national days of feudalism and has to go.
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 No.77832

>>77830
What will be the flag of the USRGB
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 No.77836

got kicked out of WHSmith just for asking if they had a copy of "No Popery". You can't do anything these days, it's political correctness gone mad. Clown world.

…Okay, yes, I did accuse the lady at the till of being a Papist witch but in my defence she almost certainly was. Very Dublin sounding accent…
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 No.77842

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 No.77844

>>77842
Dragons are bourgeois.
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 No.77850

>>77803
begone prod
>>77806
If they SNP takes a big hit they are gonna have to guarantee a referendum to get back that support, the thing is, support for independence has only grown, steadily, over time, each time westminster makes a big a fuck up it grows at bit, unless westminster stops fucking up, that trend is only going to continue (although there might be a small dip after covid is done with, as people chill out a bit and want to just grill, however, seeing as the eternal Tory is almost certain to fuck up the recovery, the opposite may be the case)
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 No.77851

>>77836
Make sure to daub the WH Smiths with red paint saying PAPISTS OUT or something to that effect.
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 No.77852

>>77809
My mum calls young milfs yummy mummies lmao
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 No.77855

>>77813
This is why nobody wants to be attached to your shit country. The fact that you people can't fathom it only further drives this point home.
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 No.77856

>>77852
Thats because your mum reads the mumsnet controlled gossip rags that further the idea of yummy mummys, its all a lie made up by mumsnetters to make the world think better of them.
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 No.77861

>>77855
A majority of scots wanted to be attached to the shit country in 2014 :^)
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 No.77863

>>77832
Something based on the chartist flag maybe, or just a red banner with a symbol.
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 No.77869

>>77863
Chartist flag is an anachronistic invention that has no real meaning. It's mostly retro engineered off the Suffragette flag.
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 No.77875

>>77869
And the the 17th century Union Jack isn't?
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 No.77877

>>77861
>if people are scared into voting for something based on a series of clownish scare stories and outright threats then that means their vote should be taken as an expression of their deeply held feelings
fuck off

anyway relevant to this thread, one clown story i remember from that vote was that scotland would have an ugly queen if the jacobites won. (yes, really)
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 No.77880

>>77856
my mum wouldn't even know what mumsnet is you take that back, shes been dunking on yummy mummies since like 1997 mate, earliest I can recall, i didn't know what a milf was back then. Simpler times.

>>77861
Imagine gloating over a victory of the bourgeoise press like this. Shameful, sphere-tier
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 No.77882

btw I just coined the term "sphere-tier" nice ring to it don't you think
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 No.77884

if the scottish people wanted independence so badly how come not a single daily newspaper supported independence until after the vote? huh? checkmate nationalists.
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 No.77886

>>77880
>>77877
Doesn't change the fact that the majority of scots wanted to remain attached the UK. Says a lot about the scots that they were all scared off by the bourgeoisie press. The trainspotting quote is forever true, truly a pathetic people.
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 No.77891

>>77886
>There is a Tory government in England right now
>checkmate socialists
this is "still your president" tier also. So many tiers of shitcunt you are on my son. Please seek spiritual guidance from your nearest Imam
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 No.77892

>>77888
nobody here wants to buy your FUCKING PASHMINAS
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 No.77894

Obviously any post-revolution GB flag should be based on symbols used by the Diggers who were truly ahead of their time and must be honoured. I don't know what their symbols were but we should do it anyway.
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 No.77896

>>77891
Evidently the English are also vulnerable to the bourgeoisie press, not to the extent of the Scots though who voted against their own self-determination out of cowardice. Disgraceful "country".
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 No.77897

>>77892
Just like how no one in scotland wants to support independence
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 No.77900

>>77886
>Says a lot about the scots that they were all scared off by the bourgeoisie press
unlike the brave, brave english, who boldly charged towards Brexit, a stance backed by a mere pittance of: the daily mail, the sun, the daily telegraph, the daily express, moneyweek, morning star and the spectator.
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 No.77901

>>77892
Told you before I'm not a CPGBML member
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 No.77902

>>77896
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2016-05-23-uk-newspapers-positions-brexit

>The findings, which cover two sample days of coverage a week during the first two months of the referendum campaign immediately after David Cameron's post-summit Cabinet meeting on 20 February, find that of the 928 articles focused on the referendum, 45% were in favour of leaving compared with only 27% in favour of staying in the EU. Of the remainder, 19% of articles focused on the referendum were categorised as ‘mixed or undecided’ and 9% as adopting no position.


uh-oh
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 No.77904

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>The most scientific and world-famous definition of a nation was given by Joseph Stalin.
can i get an a-men!
preacher
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 No.77905

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/14/scottish-referendum-sunday-newspapers

>Campaigners against Scottish independence were given a late boost when a large majority of Sunday papers urged their readers to vote no in Thursday's referendum.


>After a spate of polls confirming a recent surge in support for independence, the boldest appeal to vote no came in a front-page article in the Sunday Post, perhaps the most distinctive Scottish Sunday paper.


Scottish people, incredibly based..now.. where is my chart that says Scottish people are FAR more amenable to communism than the english, one moment please
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 No.77908

that would alongside my other charts which show people in Scotland, aside from being more amenable to communism, are also generally more in favour of wealth redistribution.

FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELING BRITCUCKS.
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 No.77909

>>77902
>first two months
I wonder why the leaver press was more vocal at the start
>>77903
>cherry picked polls
Oh no, watch it all evaporate if Scotland ever gets another ref.
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 No.77910

>>77901
>can't even admit to being a rug seller
well it is cringe I will give you that
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 No.77912

>>77909
>cherry picked polls
ahahaha the sheer cope, show me some other polls then m88 prove me wrong ahahahahah AHAHAHAHAHHA
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 No.77913

>>77909
perhaps because that article is from 23 May 2016 and did not have stalin's power of foresight to guide them to the conclusion that Britain is a real nation and doesn't want foreigners phrenologising their phallic fruitstuff.
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 No.77914

>>77904
Stalin's defintion of a nation is the only one for a serious communist.
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 No.77919

>>77914
a nation is a miserable little pile of genocides
but enough talk, have at you!
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 No.77920

>>77909
also
>watch it all evaporate once my pals in the daily telegraph kick things into overdrive again, btw Corbyn was an anti semite czech spy and literally personally bombed 8 pubs in dublin
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 No.77923

>>77908
Scots are British
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 No.77925

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stalin whispering into the king's ear "btw, scotland isn't a real country, it was made up by a welsh railwayman in 1863 to sell kilts - which are a perfectly good waste of rugmaking material by the way."
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 No.77928

there is no such thing as Britain.
a coherent British identity hasn't existed since James Callaghan was on the throne.
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 No.77932

Almost all prominent communists from Scotland were part of British parties and supported a united Britain. Even Maclean was a leader of the BSP before he went senile.
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 No.77939

>>77928
Scotland hasn't existed since 1707 and never achieved nationhood in the first place.
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 No.77940

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>BAE Systems said continued union between Scotland and the rest of the UK offers "greater certainty and stability" for its business.
>The company employs about 3000 workers on the Clyde and is helping to construct two new Royal Navy aircraft carriers.
>Chief executive Ian King said: "BAE Systems has significant interests and employees in Scotland, and it is clear that continued union offers greater certainty and stability for our business.

Voice of the proletariat, proud anti-nationalist and internationalist, my BAE :)
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 No.77941

>>77932
John Maclean, Lenins most trusted man, was pro independence from the start, and tried to convince the british communist party to hold a pro indy position, he didn't manage it. But sure, just completely make stuff up.
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 No.77945

>>77940
BAE+ Orange order = my comrades

BAE = Based and English

John Maclean and literally the entire Scottish left outside of the absolute joke that is Scottish labour = not my comrades, probably radlibs as well but also Nazis
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 No.77948

>>77941
*Lenin's most trust man in the UK
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 No.77953

>>77941
He was not Lenin's most trusted man and so what if he was? He was wrong.
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 No.77959

>>77953
hahaha
>n..no…he wasn't
Yeh he was man, its pretty common knowledge Lenin wasn't a huge fan of many British communists, but he was a fan of John Maclean and referred to Glasgow as "little petrograd" around the time of the events known as the "red clydeside". Please get a fucking clue.

>Lenin was wrong

No, u are wrong
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 No.77960

remember that John MacLean will be reincarnated to fight George Galloway underneath Ben Nevis and thus save the province of Scotland from the grift disease.
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 No.77962

>>77851
HOME RULE = ROME RULE
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 No.77964

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Galloway Ur welcomes you MacLean, my old friend… but to this place where destiny is made, why have you come unprepared?
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 No.77967

>>77959
Still doesn't matter because not everything Maclean said is gospel. Scottish nationalism has consistently been rejected and refuted at the theoretical level. It's a desperate ploy by the British booj to federalise themselves but balkanise the proletariat and incite Ukraine style tensions.
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 No.77969

>>77967
>Scottish nationalism has consistently been rejected and refuted at the theoretical level
And as we know, you always abandon a theory when it's become widely scientifically disproven.
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 No.77972


>Still doesn't matter because not everything Maclean said is gospel.

So you are changing your line of attack then, you admit you don't really know what Lenins relation to Maclean was, you are now just saying it doesn't matter anyway.

>Scottish nationalism has consistently been rejected and refuted at the theoretical level.

whose theories?

>It's a desperate ploy by the British booj to federalise themselves but balkanise the proletariat and incite Ukraine style tensions.

AHAHAHAHAH. Source: my pashmina hole, why didn't the British press support it then? Or any of the British booj at all? You need to put down the spice
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 No.77977

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scottish independence should be opposed because:
1. it's not really a nation, t. stalin
2. it would disunite the united working class movement (last seen in 1985, please report as this is an ongoing missing persons case)
3. it would really disrupt my plans to offload these tartan rugs if trade barriers went up between us and the joc— i mean, uh, it would just federalize the british bourgoise anyway. they wouldn't get anything out of it.

yours etc
cpgb-ml steering committee
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 No.77978

>>77972
I know Lenin liked him. So what? Lenin also shat on Trotsky for years but also let him into the Bolsheviks. Stalin was extremely close to Lenin but he also had criticism of him.
>whose theories?
Stalin's.
>Or any of the British booj at all?
They tacitly do. Hence why all through lockdown the pointless endless systems of restrictions and finger pointing between Scotland, Wales and England. It's designed to create the groundwork for the inevitable balkanisation.
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 No.77983

>>77977
Scotland fails on the Marxist criteria for nationhood. It's been merged with England for over 300 years, since before modern industrial capitalism even, and shares all of its features with England, except Gaelic, but that alone doesn't make it a nation.
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 No.77984

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>>77978
the balkanization of the UK is a necessary step towards exorcising the demons of these isles
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 No.77986

>>77984
The only "demons" are the capitalists and their lackeys who operate at the British national level, not feudal divisions of the island.
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 No.77987

>>77977
>tartan rugs tho
This is your tacit consent for balkanisation even as you make the case against independence I see what you are doing balkaniser

>I know Lenin liked him. So what?

well, now you do, after I told you 2 minutes and you denied it and I corrected you..

>Stalin's.

oh… Stalin was specifically against Scottish independence?

>They tacitly do.

Oh right, you mean, even though they put massive amounts of money and effort into the union, sending troops under Lord Mountbatten to put down socialist rebellions in Scotland, and through MI5 imprisoning pro independence supporters and so on, in fact, because of um… some bullshit about lockdown finger pointing.. thats actually all just an act… okay i see totally no that makes sense. The british state is probably also behind the IRA because they really want balkanisation in fact.
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 No.77989

>>77983
nobody even speaks gaelic here. Also many nations have broken off after the advent of industrial capitalism. How do you feel about the revolutions which brought about Venezuela and Bolivia?
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 No.77991

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>>77983
*nods sagely* so what you're saying is we should've treated the yanks like we did the boers, only without letting them back out of their cages, so that one day Britain could become the first planetary civilization.

I agree.
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 No.77992

>>77987
the last 3 points here and in response to

>>77978
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 No.77993

>>77987
>well, now you do, after I told you 2 minutes and you denied it and I corrected you..
No, I already knew he was.
>oh… Stalin was specifically against Scottish independence?
Going by his definition he would be. And in his correspondence with Pollitt he never brings it up.
>to put down socialist rebellions in Scotland
Also happened in England and Wales.
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 No.77994

File: 1613149872047.jpg (89.11 KB, 720x959, 78084743_1237749463079903_….jpg)

change my view: scotland isn't a nation but ulster is
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 No.77998

>>77989
>nobody even speaks gaelic here.
Even less of a claim for Scotland to be a separate nation then.
>Also many nations have broken off after the advent of industrial capitalism. How do you feel about the revolutions which brought about Venezuela and Bolivia?
They were colonies of Spain and clearly exploited and oppressed. Also did not share a common territory with Spain. Scotland is neither exploited, nor oppressed, it united with England to better exploit the Americas and Asia.
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 No.78000

>>77991
America doesn't have a common territory with Britain and was exploited.
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 No.78001

>>78000
it was literally british territory
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 No.78004

>>78000
>Scotland was imperialist in the Americas
>America was a good boy though in the Americas
Leninhat plz
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 No.78005

File: 1613150282973.png (37.9 KB, 603x430, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.78007

imagine walking along the flat canadian coastline in the world where we successfully sunk america into the sea

the international coastline of peace and friendship.
(every nation on earth is an integral nation of the UK)
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 No.78008

>>78005
> lib dems getting dissaffected tories and labour people
Oh please not this again they will start thinking they matter I cannot bare it
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 No.78010

>>78007
>>78007
wish Mi5 would stop trying to balkanise the UK with the IRA
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 No.78011

>>78005
it seems we'll just have to put our hopes in the greens
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 No.78015

Remember Narrow Water
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 No.78018

>>78011
Then we're fucked.
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 No.78019

>>78015
We should start pushing for a national celebration day on August 27th
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 No.78029

>>78001
Bit like Ireland, still a colony.
>>78004
I didn't say the USA was "good", just that independence from colonialism, is a necessary precondition for development.
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 No.78034

>>78029
Okay, so what about independence from a bloc of imperial power nations like the EU?
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 No.78035

File: 1613151492959.png (81.24 KB, 968x744, comment.png)

doing my bit for theory
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 No.78037

>>78035
Based
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 No.78038

>>78034
It's not really independence, cos the EU is an alliance, although Germany obviously dominates the Slavic and Baltic states.
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 No.78041

File: 1613151795820.jpg (213.54 KB, 1280x854, PVjD9Gcq-1280.jpg)

>>78035
"Art Bell, you're on the air"
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 No.78043

>>78038
Right but, in general you think it is good for Britain to break away from this alliance?
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 No.78046

File: 1613152221764.png (389.52 KB, 620x339, ClipboardImage.png)

>>78035
Topkek
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 No.78048

>>78035
you dropped your flag socdem but this is propa funny
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 No.78049

>>77994
The capital of the UK should be Belfast with us all subordinate to the superior ulsterites.
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 No.78052

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 No.78053

>>78043
Not for the bourgeoisie, hence why most of them wanted to stay in it and spent 4 years dragging their heels over the referendum and deliberately sabotaging it. It is good for British workers since it weakens the powers of British capitalists, and it also helps Polish/Romanian/other foreign workers who British capitalists can no longer easily exploit.
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 No.78054

>>78053
Oh right, how does it weaken the power of British capitalists again?
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 No.78059

File: 1613153157550-0.gif (58.96 KB, 200x207, lobster.gif)

File: 1613153157550-1.gif (58.96 KB, 200x207, lobster.gif)

w końcu jestem wolny od wyzysku brytyjskich kapitalistów za 8 funtów za godzinę! teraz wreszcie mogę być eksploatowany przez polskich kapitalistów za 3,56 funta za godzinę! :)

În cele din urmă, sunt liber de capitaliștii britanici care plătesc doar 8 GBP pe oră! acum pot fi în cele din urmă exploatate de capitaliștii români pentru 2,33 GBP pe oră! :)
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 No.78061

>>78059
Sounds like something the trots would say if they could speak polish.
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 No.78067

>>78059
It's up for Polish workers to overthrow their ruling class in Poland, just as it is in Britain for us.
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 No.78069

>>78054
Severs their economic relations and isolates them from markets.
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 No.78070

2 films into the new adam curtis film series and it makes me feel a bit pessimistic lads.
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 No.78075

>>78069
What specific example of either of those things can you give me
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 No.78082

>>78075
Leaving the EEA, obviously.
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 No.78083

>>78082
So we are going to cease trading with Europe then?
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 No.78084

>>78083
No, it just weakens the power and position of British capitalists.
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 No.78086

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 No.78087

>>78086
They're no longer part of a cartel of 28 countries.
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 No.78089

>>78070
That's why I don't watch Adam Curtis, he is a true genius that is able to see the world for what it is, but man it makes me depressed to be alive.
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 No.78090

Every communist party in Britain backed leaving for good reason. It's a basic communist thing to oppose capitalist alliances.
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 No.78093

>>78087
Okay, so Scotland should leave the UK so its not part of a cartel of 4 countries
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 No.78094

>>78090
precisely, the UK is a capitalist alliance, like you said, Scotland joined entirely voluntarily, to become an exploiter, so we should now exit this alliance
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 No.78096

(you have all just witnessed what I like to call, a pro gamer move)
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 No.78097

File: 1613154877112.png (260.87 KB, 620x330, ClipboardImage.png)

Reject national bourgeoisie, embrace local peasantry.
This post made by Jacobol gang.
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 No.78099

>>78093
Scotland is part of Britain which is one country.
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 No.78100

File: 1613154987848.jpg (70.54 KB, 800x615, 5ec1d52439143.image.jpg)

I pledge fealty to the house of Stuart
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 No.78102

File: 1613155093950.png (768.93 KB, 2048x983, ClipboardImage.png)

Starmer's fucked lamo.
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 No.78104

File: 1613155233092.gif (179.09 KB, 375x375, laughing-like-a-king-homer….gif)

>>78102
>1,980,000 have not heard of Keir Starmer a year into his premiership
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 No.78105

>>78099
Autism
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 No.78114

>>78097
Reject local peasantry, embrace agrarian communes.
This post made by the Digger gang.
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 No.78137

File: 1613157291742.png (66.66 KB, 1200x861, ClipboardImage.png)

JACOBOL CLAN JACOBOL CLAN
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 No.78143

>>77825
Don't the rug merchants over at the CPGM-ML think that lmao

>>77925
lel

>>78005
Bruh

>>78035
Kek

>>78100
Ebin
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 No.78211

File: 1613162168518.jpg (33.64 KB, 600x849, neutral.jpg)

>>78102
what makes a man turn neutral?
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 No.78213

>>78211
love of pub
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 No.78232

File: 1613163646897.jpg (138.92 KB, 1600x900, Joe Swinson.jpg)

>>78211
A fat pussy this wide
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 No.78254

>>77850
the problem is they can't guarantee independence any more thanks to all of the faffing about with their "WE PROMISE THIS ELECTION IS A PROXY FOR INDYREF" bullshit. this shit can only work a few times before everyone gets wise to it and they're close to using them all up. at that point better hope there's a better pro indy party ready to take up the mantle or else we're back to another few decades of political wasteland and westminster careerism
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 No.78263

File: 1613165221935.jpg (56.42 KB, 720x831, national-idenity-uk.jpg)

>>77923
an overwhelming majority of scots disagrees with you
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 No.78264

>>78263
You see, the scottish identity is a subset of the British identity therefore all polls finding scottish ahead are actually still saying British.
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 No.78268

>>78263
>part of wales most filled with anglo colonisers is heaviest welsh
Really makes you think.
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 No.78269

>>78053
>the bourgeoisie was damaged by brexit
>this is why they all agitated for brexit
makes sense as always. now show me your rug selection, i'm in the market for one
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 No.78270

>>78099
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
>The United Kingdom consists of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.[21] Their capitals are London, Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast, respectively.
i mean you're not even technically correct on this one, never mind ideologically
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 No.78273

>>78270
Thats always been a weird semantic argument to me, the UK arrangement is almost identical to the arrangements of countless other unitary states with regional governments, we just call ours countries on a historical quirk rather than states or lande or whatever else. It is blatantly the case that the individual regions of the UK are not countries in the general sense of the word.
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 No.78274

>>77830
Lenin hat is the best poster on here. At least he takes his autism somewhere different
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 No.78275

>>78268
The part with the most anglos is like Powys.
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 No.78279

>>77877
Show me one attractive scot.
Yeah I know, you can't
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 No.78280

File: 1613166204301.png (51.68 KB, 1000x743, brexitvoteclass.png)

>>78263
So what? It's bourgeois divide and conquer nonsense. They operate together at the national level and don't care for feudal divisions.
>>78269
They didn't all agitate for it, and the vote shows proletarians favoured it more than the bourgeoisie did.
>>78270
England, Scotland and Wales are basically just glorified states/provinces.
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 No.78285

>>78273
well germany is a federation of a whole bunch of states that used to be independent countries until they all decided to join together. compare with the uk context for a histmat explanation as to why its different here. germany's a federation with a shitload of devolution involved, not this uk imperial bullshit where england is unanimously favoured in all aspects and the other nations can pretty much go suck a dick. this is why scottish and welsh nationalism is even a thing in the first place, if the uk was a federation much of the argument would've been put to bed decades ago instead of being left to fester for close to a century until current year where we're all edging ready to blow this fucked up union to bits
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 No.78288

>>78275
The valleys and the rest of south wales are all anglos who moved there in the industrial revolution larping as welshmen.
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 No.78289

>>78285
>where england is unanimously favoured in all aspects
No its not. The scots have the best deal in the country with free everything while the English have to still pay for university and aspects of healthcare.
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 No.78294

>>78280
>So what? It's bourgeois divide and conquer nonsense. They operate together at the national level and don't care for feudal divisions.
but they clearly do as shown continuously by polling data going back decades. you can't wish it away no matter how much you try.
also i could make the argument that english primacy in the uk is also bourgeois divide and conquer nonsense and needs to end by dissolving the union
>They didn't all agitate for it, and the vote shows proletarians favoured it more than the bourgeoisie did.
which is why big porkies like the guy who owns wetherspoons and all the major tory owned newspapers were going all out on propaganda targeted at proles to push the brexit vote. is it any surprise that the brexit vote correlates closely with whether you read the sun/daily mail?
inb4 tim martin is a honourary member of the working class landlords association
>England, Scotland and Wales are basically just glorified states/provinces.
with a historical context of being independent of one another until the english ruling class basically conquered them by either force or money or both
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 No.78297

>>78263
Damn you are right only migrants in London and protestants are the foul brits who oppress the beautiful people of these isles
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 No.78302

>>78285
Which country gets given the most money?
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 No.78305

>>78297
We must capture a trident submarine and use every single nuclear warhead against the foul cesspit that is "London", only then will the noble anglo and his scottish and welsh brothers know liberation.
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 No.78309

>>78294
>with a historical context of being independent of one another until the english ruling class basically conquered them by either force or money or both
This applies to almost every European nation, the german states were independent countries up until the unification in the 1800s, similar with Italy.
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 No.78316

>>78289
this "free everything" isn't actually free but really limited, and because of limited taxation powers in scotland it's actually falling apart at the seams with unis funding themselves by exploiting international children of porkies studying here instead. biggest unis in scotland take as much as a third of their budget from international student fees, if that dries up and scotland isn't independent its bye bye free tuition. t. i sat on the senate of a university in glasgow

and lest we forget england had "free everything" too until labour became big lib, only reinforcing an ongoing separation of the two nations. free tuition fees was like one of the standard arguments in the run up to indyref as to how scotland is already different from the uk and should be allowed to continue diverging.
also to paraphrase lenin hat's earlier post here:
<It's up for English workers to overthrow their ruling class in England, just as it is in Scotland for us.
aka don't blame us for recognising we deserve more, try doing that yourself instead. its not a zero sum game for the working class, its a zero sum game between the bourg and the working class.
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 No.78317

File: 1613167844249.jpg (5.37 KB, 292x173, mhairi black.jpg)

>>78279
>blocks your path
honestly I tried really hard and I couldn't think of one so here is a meme answer kek
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 No.78322

>>78316
You completely sidestepped the point there, england is not unanimously favoured at every turn.
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 No.78326

>>78309
it doesn't apply because prussia didn't conquer the other german states, but instead unified with them on a federal basis, and it is largely because of that why there are hardly any german separatists nowadays, because all of the states are equal in the federation as opposed to fundamentally divergent like it is in the uk. italy is on another level tho because of the fundamental differences between north and south, and you can see it in how schizo their politics are nowadays, including shit like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Venetian_independence_referendum
>The Venetian independence referendum of 2014 was an unofficial, non-binding, online and privately organised poll held among residents of Veneto, one of the 20 regions of Italy, 16–21 March 2014. The vote, known also as the "digital plebiscite" or "Plebiscito.eu", was promoted by Plebiscite 2013, a Venetian nationalist organisation led by Gianluca Busato.
>According to Plebiscito.eu's staff, 2.36 million Venetians (63.2% of all eligible voters) participated in the online referendum and 89.1% of them (that is to say 56.6% of all eligible voters) voted "yes" to independence.[1] P2013 proclaimed Veneto's independence from Italy in Treviso on the night of 21 March.[2][3][4]
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 No.78328

>>78322
inb4 barnett lol go fuck yourself
westminster is basically an english parliament concerned primarily with english issues even though theoretically it is supposed to be concerned with the entirety of the uk. but that's just not what is happening, instead england wants something and the rest gets dragged along with it as shown by for example the brexit referendum and the disregard of devolved parliaments in it.
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 No.78332

File: 1613168643994.jpg (41.42 KB, 244x315, Rose_Leslie_(March_2013)_(….jpg)

>>78317
really? not a single one?
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 No.78334

>>78326
England didn't conquer Scotland either, it unified it on a unitary basis.
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 No.78335

>>78317
ngl, she does look kinda cute
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 No.78337

>>78328
This is why nationalist idpol is such cancer, you are conflating England with the bourgeoisie of the United Kingdom and then coming up with absurd statements about how despite being treat worse in nearly every single aspect England is still somehow getting the better deal. Its not england, its the bourgeois who recognise that they have to give scotland a slightly better deal to keep them on side.
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 No.78339

>>78334
that's pish and you know it, it was first a result of royal inbreeding, then it was occupied by cromwell and integrated by force, the act of union was just a shotgun wedding to go with it
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 No.78342

>>78337
>you are nationalist idpol which is wrong because my nation is treated worse than yours and this is why you shouldn't be a nationalist
yoon brainworms are truly something
the reason i am a nat in the first place is because you fucks are intent on dragging everyone down to shit with you. i still remember well the retarded arguments of "if scotland secedes, labour will become unelectable" like what the fuck how about you actually organise yourselves to desphere labour and get some good shit for england too? you accuse me of nat idpol, but you are even more guilty of this idpol thanks to your seething about the scottish parliament daring to exist and defending policies that the working class in the uk won in the 1950s that labour then pretty much completely reversed under blair

i've said this to lenin hat months ago and i'll say it again: i will stop being a nat if you fucks actually organise for a change instead of applying whips to your own ass and then insisting you're going to whip us too so "its fair". fucking abusive spouse bullshit
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 No.78400

>>78332
got me there
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 No.78401

>>78326
>it doesn't apply because prussia didn't conquer the other german states,
Are you sure about that?
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 No.78559

File: 1613195840368.gif (1.26 MB, 500x350, it aint me.gif)

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/uk-politics/1971856/uk-government-union/
>Union army: Number 10 to draft dozens more staff to combat ‘Viet Cong’ SNP
yfw
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 No.78560

>>78279
Fuck off
As a Burger all you “people” from the Isles look freakish to us
At least burgers, if they aren’t fat, are some of the most attractive people in the world
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 No.78605

>>78294
>but they clearly do as shown continuously by polling data going back decades.
Scottish capitalists have been plundering the world as British capitalists for 300 years.

Scottish separatism is a cheap bourgeois ploy masquerading as liberation. Like the fascist nationalists in the Baltic states. But any materialist analysis reveals that Scotland is an integrated and equal part of Britain.
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 No.78609

File: 1613209014216.png (261.98 KB, 1584x586, Brian Eno.png)

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 No.78618

>>78322
Scotland doesn't have free things because it's getting more money, it has them because it's spending the money it has differently.
The Westminster parliament could easily cut England's road repair budget and put the money into free tuition, but it doesn't.

>>78605
>Scottish capitalists have been plundering the world as British capitalists for 300 years.
This is correct, but it ignores the peculiar effect this has had on Scotland: Scottish Capitalists move down to London.
The result is that the top ranks of Scottish Society are those who rank high in civil society - public service chairs, lawyers, judges, head teachers, clergy, etc. Where a Scotsman becomes a capitalist he quickly trades the tiny Scottish market for the wider British market. Our Bourgeoisie are integrated, but our civil societies are not.

This is where dogmatic weirdos always lose themselves: Scotland's position in the UK is actually a fascinating area for class analysis, but people would rather be dogmatic and bend the world to fit with the world they wish they lived in than sit and do an actual analysis of material conditions which doesn't just lend itself to their own preference for the status quo.
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 No.78620

>>78609
It is curious how so many artists are left-wing despite a lot of them being wealthy.
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 No.78628

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 No.78643

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 No.78664

>>78560
No, also no burgers allowed ITT
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 No.78666

>>78618
>Scottish Capitalists move down to London
So what? London is the British capital, and was (is) the centre of British imperialism, it makes perfect sense, just as French capitalists from all over France gathered in Paris.
>our civil societies are not.
Rubbish. Scottish communists have played a leading role in British workers movements for 200 years. There is only separation because of the sop to the separate structures that was given in 1707. In a socialist society, these distinctions should be abolished and replaced by an all-union British system.
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 No.78669

File: 1613218414281.png (431.87 KB, 480x345, ClipboardImage.png)

>>78560
>As a Burger all you “people” from the Isles look freakish to us
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 No.78674

File: 1613218605870.png (1.85 MB, 1280x720, ClipboardImage.png)

I love seeing this noble British, and only British, people. As Stalin said "There is nothing more common and universally found in Great Britain as the Highland Games, it is certainly not restricted to one unique nation within the Island".
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 No.78679

>>78666
>Scottish communists have played a leading role in British workers movements for 200 years
I'm sure that's very nice for the people living in 1984 who're just sitting down to that week's play for today: the real-time destruction of the British worker's movement. sadly for the rest of us we know how their story ended and we're not very impressed with you grandstanding on its corpse.
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 No.78685

>#BoycottTheCensus is trending on twitter
>It's about trans shit
Goddamn, trans people really do live in TERF's brains rent free lmao
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 No.78686

>>78685
Give some sources pls would love to see it.
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 No.78688

Also
>The Scottish Labour movement has lead Britain
Erhm, yeah, mostly independently, as its own entity. Remember the STUC is a thing. The ILP was a de facto separate scottish branch of Labour. What those who have only read Stalin about nationalities (remember, he is very famous for being shit at that policy btw, if you disagree ask the Crimean Tatars), you'd ignore the fact that Scotland, at a fundamental geographical level, operates like a country. It has an administrative capital; Edinburgh, an economic capital, Glasgow, suburbs and exurbs from these two areas (Paisley, Fife, Midlothian), regional economic capitals (Inverness, Aberdeen)) and rural peripheries (Highland, Borders). The reason "Scotland has her border still" as the Corries once put it, is that it operates like a country, it is constructed form a fundamental economic perspective like a country. To deny a Scottish nation exists "because da rich peeple are bri'ish" is such a bulshit take.
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 No.78690

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 No.78692

>>78686
>>78690
Although I think this twitter thread explains it faily well

https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1360555970200559617
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 No.78694

>Click #BoycottTheCensus
>Just trans whining
>No actually boycotting
SAD!
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 No.78696

>>78090
>UK communists do something
>Therefore that thing good
Typical leave logic
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 No.78711

>>78674
England has things like Morris Dancing and Wales has Eisteddfodau. But nonetheless, Britain overwhelmingly shares most of the same culture and language.
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 No.78714

>>78696
Communists across Europe also all oppose it.
It's mostly just ingrained anti-British sentiment and buying into the British bourgeois depicition of the British working class as thick racist dupes that leads to "leftists" supporting the EU and ignoring the reality that workers have to destroy it.
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 No.78715

>>78711
We share the same language with Ireland.
>Sharing culture
Ah yes, Ceilidhs, very famous for occuring in England. Also those great all-british poets Burns and Scott. Or that English dish Haggis, Potatoes, and Swede.
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 No.78718

>>78714
Don't come crying to me when Hitler 2 happens and communists do nothing because they have been 5 years behind political relivency at every turn
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 No.78732

>>78715
That's true, and also America, Canada etc. But they do not share the same territory or economic bonds.
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 No.78737

>>78715
Keep your various root vegetables, we're busy inventing all of modern technology and science
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 No.78738

>>78732
So it's not about nations at-all, it's all about landmasses. Glad to see the mask fall.
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 No.78739

>>78738
A common territory is a requirement for a nation. Britain has one, Britain and America do not
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 No.78743

>>78739
Here you hear it lads, Norway and Sweden: Literally the same country.
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 No.78745

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 No.78748

If you're a real communist you'll fight and die for eurasian unity
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 No.78749

>>78748
Only if it's Eurasian socialism and not that Duginist rubbish
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 No.78752

>>78743
They actually have different languages for starters. Nonetheless, it did nothing for the workers movements in either country.
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 No.78753

>>78752
Norges can understand Swedes like I can understand Scottish people you know lad
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 No.78755

>>78753
Scots speak English, Nowegians don't speak Swedish
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 No.78756

>>78755
Yuo couldna kain folk frae Glasgae if yer treid.
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 No.78757

>>78755
Doesn't matter what language one speaks if you can understand eachother
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 No.78759

>>78756
Scots is just a dialect of Northumbrian English
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 No.78760

The point is Scotland has a cultural difference that has developed language difference nearly to the level of very different countries. I don't give a shit bout indie your argument is just faulty
>>78756
This, I would fair better dropped into Sweden than Glasgae and I've lived in Scotland
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 No.78764

File: 1613226661854.jpg (108.85 KB, 555x1024, 555px-Outer_Hebrides_by_Se….jpg)

"Muh Common Territory" types better support the independence of Na h-Eileanan Siar from the British yoke.

A higher % of the population there speaks Gaelic than does in Ireland. Like Ireland, it is separated from Great Britain by the sea. They have a larger population than many small pacific states. It can be done, it should be done. Independence now!
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 No.78765

>>78759
A language is just a dialect with a navy.
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 No.78767

>Be Scotland
>Unique Culture
>Unique History
>Economically organised like a nation-state
>Clear, delineated border for all of those things.
<"Ah but they speak english therefore they must remain a part of Britain Vozhd' Stalin decreed it in the 1930s"
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 No.78768

>>78759
Oh is it? Give us some examples of Northumbrian poems to compare them to Burns then please.
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 No.78769

File: 1613227065584.png (1.08 MB, 1188x1736, wojak-communist-brain.png)

Gonna convince the misses to learn esperanto and then we'll secede from the UK with full backing from the nation's communist parties
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 No.78770

>>78769
fuck i want credit for this shitpost
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 No.78771

>>78755
>Nowegians don't speak Swedish
Debatable.
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 No.78779

unfathomably high IQ on the lads who think that scots shouldn't get independence even if they want it and that ulster should be returned to Ireland even if neither of them want it.
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 No.78782

>>78779
MLs are inconsistent over national policy?? No, say it ain't so!
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 No.78784

unfathomably high IQ on the lads who think that hong kongers shouldn't get independence even if they want it
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 No.78785

>>78784
Hong Kong is an integral part of the British Empire.
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 No.78787

File: 1613228883842-0.mp4 (5.1 MB, 656x480, GOD SAVE THE KING. Progra….mp4)

File: 1613228883842-1.gif (50.37 KB, 1425x625, British_Empire_evolution3.gif)

for decades we have endured the incompetence of "Marxist Leninists" out of touch with the modern world and of squishy "Eurocommunists" squeaking from the sidelines.
it is time for a new turn, the synthesis to end all syntheses… it is time… for ANGLOCOMMUNISM.
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 No.78790

Imagine still caring about national self determination, people should stop concerning themselves with bourgeoisie movements.
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 No.78792

>>78790
No no no no no you see: when the workers do something, that thing good
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 No.78795

File: 1613229521030.jpg (470.19 KB, 2560x1440, 20210212194759_1.jpg)

>>78787
that webm ending with a curtain close is very apropos (pic somewhat related, my first TWR run)
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 No.78796

I really enjoy how any time this thread is scotland themed it ends up going mental fast with the exact same arguments about Scotland as every other scotland themed thread.
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 No.78799

>>78764
The Gaelic remnants in Scotland are a tiny minority. Most have spoken English for centuries.
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 No.78800

>>78796
/leftybritpol/, the worst thread on the internet! *bird noise*
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 No.78801

File: 1613229744733.png (307 KB, 690x1024, Scots_Gaelic_speakers_in_t….png)

>>78799
a tiny minority that mostly live in Na h-Eileanan Siar, a nation.
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 No.78802

>>7877
Nope, that's just consistent internationalism. Northern Ireland is a colony populated by settlers from Britain (and it's notable that they cling to a British identity), what the colonials want is irrelevant, most Irish people in the south want unification, and most native Irish in Ulster want unification. Scotland isn't a colony and its bourgeois nationalist movement is a product of a weakened working class movement.
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 No.78804

uhhh yeah you were born here but actually you're just a settler, go home if you want rights. :)

…wait you think white americans should be deported into the sea where they came from!?!?!? fucking crazy settlers reading radlib!
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 No.78806

>>78802
>settlers that lived there for 400 years
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 No.78808

>>78802
Lenin hat what's your opinion of Captain Tom?
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 No.78809

>>78795
Whats TWR?
>>78804
America solved that problem by killing almost all of their natives so if they were to go into the sea there wouldn't be anyone left to take over all the territory. Very clever of the americans to ensure that so I would be able to make a very smart comment on leftypol in the year two thousand and twenty one.
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 No.78811

>>78800
I still think its the best thread on this board so long as no one mentions the s word.
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 No.78812

File: 1613230269404.png (198.95 KB, 604x950, S.png)

>>78811
>the s word
I'M GONNA SAY IT
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 No.78813

>>78809
Thousand Week Reich (HOI4 mod)
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 No.78815

>>78812
post it
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 No.78816

File: 1613230398219.jpg (79.12 KB, 760x522, British-colonial-officers-….jpg)

>>78809
so what you're saying is, just hypothetically, in the realm of speculation, not being tied down to any actualities, is that just perhaps, possibly, if the british empire were to be done again, then it isn't totally out of the question that there might be a mechanism to square some of the logistical questions of nationhood with ol' Stalin, in a manner of speaking?
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 No.78817

>>78813
Thats basically TNO without the awful writing right?

>>78812
OH NONONONONO
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 No.78819

File: 1613230518740.png (1.03 MB, 1200x675, scot does this offend you.png)

>>78812
>>78815

>>78817
More realistic and less narrative based yeah, but not very feature complete, my Britain playthrough was pretty boring outside of when fascist Spain tried to invade Gibraltar and I got to curbstomp all over them and bring back the Republic.
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 No.78820

>>78816
If only we'd been more genocidal instead of passively murderous we would currently all be sat in the capital of the world socialist government of Greater Britain.
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 No.78821

>>78820
>tfw we decelerated the dialectic
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 No.78826

cmv: stalin told winston churchill not to feed the indians so as to advance the dialectic
(and if he didn't, he should have, so he did.)
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 No.78828

>>78819
Thats a shame, I tried TNO but just couldn't get away with the writing. Theres some good bits here and there but as a whole I did not like it.
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 No.78830

>>78828
it's definitely dare I say 'cringe' sometimes, but I guess that doesn't really bother me so much, I was playing it with my BF also so we can laugh at it together.
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 No.78865

>>78714
yfw workers destroy the eu only to find out that it was the brit bourg rather than the european bourg hyperexploiting them all along, and destroying the eu only did the brit bourg a favour by curtailing the competition
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 No.78866

>>78749
that's just pro-eu bourgeois "leftist" talk. reform empire first, socialism second!
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 No.78868

>>78865
Its both, its fucking both, it always has been and always will be so long as both Britain and Europe are bourg dominated.
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 No.78869

>>78759
english chauvinism on full display right here
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 No.78871

>>78830
>>78828
The thing I don't like about TNO is how on rails it is. Id like to be able to invade places as I please.
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 No.78877

>>78871
Do a Goering run,
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 No.78880

>>78802
>most Irish people in the south want unification, but only if it doesn't mean the republic will raise taxes to rebuild the colonial wasteland that is the north
ftfy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland#In_the_Republic_of_Ireland
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 No.78883

>>78868
yea as far as i'm concerned the brit bourg is the priority over the euro bourg, the last thing you wanna do is remove obstacles for your immediate enemy so they can stomp their boot on you twice as hard
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 No.78887

>>78883
yeah but that's because you don't understand that the Euro bourg are the biggest enemy because they're a bunch of foreigner fucking cunts who can't speak english properly and think they're better than us, even though we won the bloody war and rescued half of them from the other fucking half.

btw i hate nationalism :)
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 No.78897

>>78883
NO MATE
Jesus you absolute cretin I can't believe I'm reading this shit
You just don't fucking get it do you? It's so excrutiatingly simple I'm falling asleep having to type it out. How can you be here without knowing the most fundamental rule of Marxism?

If the workers think thing: THING GOOD
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 No.78905

File: 1613236508861.jpg (47.91 KB, 623x475, aaa.jpg)

>>78887
>>78897
that's too much banter mateys i'm gonna have to sue
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 No.78906

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File: 1613236597710-1.jpg (35.66 KB, 1040x509, scotind1.jpg)

>>78897
>If the workers think thing: THING GOOD
excuse me but you seem to have forgotten about false consciousness: when the workers think thing but i do not.
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 No.78919

>>78906
What do people do in Orkney to get so much disposable income, work on oil rigs?
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 No.78923

>>78919
Less that and more that Orkney has a domestic investment fund from oil. It's basically a mini norway, with state-funded saunas and everything.
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 No.78938

File: 1613238568763.png (48.15 KB, 836x604, ClipboardImage.png)

>>78906
Funny how that works.
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 No.78939

>>78938
>>78906
well guys, the oracle has spoken. the workers want both the eu destroyed AND the uk destroyed. fuck you lenin hat you fucking unionist cunt.
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 No.78941

>>78939
Destroy everything until the whole world is reduced to a series of small agrarian communes then we can live up to our Digger forefathers.
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 No.78944

>>78941
uncomparably based
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 No.78954

File: 1613239449844.jpg (50.33 KB, 900x900, Mr Natas.jpg)

>>78941
yes, yes… dig away comrade… dig right down to 6000ft… but no deeper!
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 No.79015

>>78954
Oh socdem anon, that's damn vintage.
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 No.79074

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propel_(political_party)

Ah the Welsh Souverainistes went with "Propel" as their name. Is this a thing in Welsh, or is it just a silly name.
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 No.79075

File: 1613242840884-0.jpg (135.95 KB, 1280x720, flagofthescottishnation.jpg)

File: 1613242840884-1.mp4 (10.99 MB, 320x240, Gazza Fog On the Tyne.mp4)

>>78764
They don't speak Gaelic in Ireland.
>>78768
Havent you ever had a fishy on a little dishy?
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 No.79082

>>78784
Hong Kong Protests literally started over extradition of a girlfriend murderer and is led mostly by Chinas Rupert Murdoch and assorted staunch anticommunists, backed by Steve Bannon and the CIA, with the explicit intention to liberalise.

That being said, if there was a socialist movement that wanted to break off yes, they should have it.
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 No.79096

File: 1613243319772.jpg (28.97 KB, 321x499, caledonia_australis.jpg)

>>78767
except what exists now is not a unique culture or history it's a shared one. one aspect of that shared history is the systematic dismantling of the actual nation which did exist in Scotland, and its removal to the US and to Aus
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 No.79099

>>79075
Northumbria also invented electric lights, so long as everyone lives under electric lighting they should recognise the rightful superiority of Northumbria.
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 No.79102

>>79082
> is led mostly by Chinas Rupert Murdoch and assorted staunch anticommunists,

Why the fuck did China even allow these people to even have any power withing Hong Kong?
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 No.79108

>>79096
You;d have a point, but then the Scottish Folk revival happened.
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 No.79110

>>79075
>They don't speak Gaelic in Ireland.
not sure if you're insisting on referring to it as "Irish" or if you're re-stating the fact from that post that basically nobody in Ireland speaks Irish gaelic (the linguistic-Stalinist justification for letting them have a country but keeping Scotland in the UK)
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 No.79116

>>79108
>material social change followed in its wake by a lot of idealist larping claptrap
yeh you sure showed me
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 No.79118

>>79102
Because of a little known country called the United Kingdom
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 No.79121

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 No.79124

>>79116
>Cultural mythmaking doesn't impact national identity
Read Sorel.
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 No.79125

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>>79096
So what you're saying is
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 No.79138

>>79102
Mostly agreements made during decolonisation. Also people have this idea the Chinese press is ultra censored. Obviously it isn't, if there are Billionaires, obviously they have papers favourable to them.
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 No.79148

The correct position: Fuck the EU, Fuck the UK. It literally does not matter if we are in either honestly, while capitalism prevails, however, what they both do is take the UK from a state of stasis into a state a flux, new possibilities are opened up, people FEEL as if they are empowered, and that is important, when was the last time the British working class felt empowered? Really empowered? A long time ago. Brexit was a fuck you because of this, Independence for Scotland will be the same. If you want real change in the stultified imperial core, you have to shake it up, rattle it around, see what breaks loose.
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 No.79215

>>79125
Ngl love this.
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 No.79217

File: 1613247328674.png (116.95 KB, 564x675, ClipboardImage.png)

Welsh Labour-Fascism works again.
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 No.79224

File: 1613247988692.jpg (1.32 MB, 2227x2966, Mark_Drakeford_-_National_….jpg)

>>79217
CAN'T RAKE THE DRAKE'
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 No.79309

Okay fine you were all correct I’m fucking bored of glovara now even delicious Dalia Gabriel. Might just be that British news is literally all the same now. Dunno why the bother continuing to talk about labour like it matters
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 No.79317

>>79309
more interesting shit happens in scottish politics than english anyway tbh
if novara were based up here they'd have no shortage of content owing to the ongoing snp drama as well as >trots, their wrecking, and their cozying up to the cherry snp wing (chris bambery, former swp big wig who split with his own faction like 10 years ago, is now her parliamentary assistant lol). infinitely more interesting than droning on about spherebour day in and out
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 No.79319

>>79309
labour matters a lot, it's just that nobody grasps how or why it matters.
as a result all labour commentary is either: delusional (blairite) sycophantic (blairite through to corbynite), pure memes (everyone, the fans of dead factions are the best), or pure seethe. (non parliamentary left, communists, etc.)
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 No.79339

>>79319
do you grasp how or why it matters?
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 No.79346

>>79339
only in the dark, it disappears when you turn the lights on.
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 No.79367

>>79317
>The eternal trot eternally entrying
Is there like, a secret society of Trots bent on infiltrating everything in British left win politics? kind a based strategy NGL even if I hate all of them

>>79319
so.. how and why does it matter?
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 No.79385

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z1GwJBIXLE

Look at this based shit, fuck pigs
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 No.79388

>>79385
Imagine being some small lass and some middle aged bloke growls at you, shrugs off a taser and then charges at you to stab you all while growling like a fucking orc.
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 No.79389

>>79385
That's fucking crazy if i've ever seen it.
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 No.79392

>>79389
>>79388
Pigs never travel alone though, so what was she doing there? Do English pigs sometimes travel alone?
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 No.79401

>>79392
Probably out of breath trying to catch up, wouldn't happen back when they would just kick you in.
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 No.79416

>>79385
>The court heard how Popa had been spotted lurking in the back garden of his ex-partner’s home in Edgware, north London.
Sounds pretty noncey to me tbh.
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 No.79422

>>79416
>I love it when you call me big pop-pa
>throw ya hands in the ayer if youse a true player
Yeh it is noncey my man focus is his zombie mode and also how why the fuck she is alone, seems fishy to me tbh
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 No.79425

>>79416
Should have been kicked in, none of this tasering bollocks. PC gone mad it is.
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 No.79692

>>79367
its more of a trap strategy if anything, what you dont hear about is the ongoing dilution of their already diluted theory and practice, thanks to chumming up with people who are basically right wing and then having to defend them against the non trot left who immediately criticises them for it
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 No.79777

>>79096
>actual nation which did exist in Scotland
Never existed, Scotland was a feudal kingdom, not a nation-state.
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 No.79780

>>78804
I didn't say they had to go home, just that their desires are irrelevant. The native American tribes aren't nations.
>>78808
Bourgeois psyop by the 77th brigade.
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 No.79781

>>78865
Yeah no shit. But splitting up bourgeois alliances is only a good thing. If NATO were also destroyed, that would be good for the workers, since it would make fighting their own bourgeois rulers easier. There will never be a Europe wide socialist revolution.
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 No.79783

>>78906
Doesn't matter, Scottish communists opposed "independence" (subjugation to the EU and NATO and balkanisation of Britain) for the correct and same reasons they supported Britain leaving the EU. It's in the proletarian interest.

It's funny how liberals instantly resort to what they "feel" Scotland should be rather than analysing it in a scientific Marxist-Leninist fashion.
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 No.79784

>>79110
>NOOOOOOOO I WANT MY OWN COUNTRY LIKE MY GAELIC BROTHERS
There has never been a militant independence movement in Scotland as there was in Ireland because Scotland isn't oppressed, and Scotland benefitted immensely from unification with England, particularly in the British Empire. Scots were far more relatively prominent than the English in the British Raj, for instance. They cannot be permitted to get off lightly from their role in colonialism by portraying themselves as an oppressed nation. Scottish nationalism has only risen to the fore because of the endless failure and betrayal of social democracy in Britain (of which Scottish labourites have played a huge role) and the calculation by sections of the bourgeoisie (represented by the Scottish National Party) who think they can prosper more in the EU as a result of the decline of British imperialism.
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 No.79796

File: 1613291750234.jpeg (10.87 KB, 250x160, wot.jpeg)

>>79784
>There has never been a militant independence movement in Scotland as there was in Ireland because Scotland isn't oppressed
DELET THIS!
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 No.79803

>>79784
we're not talking about scotland, we're talking about Na h-Eileanan Siar.
please learn to read.
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 No.79804

>>79803
Which is part of Scotland.
>durr but it's an island
So are the Isle of Wight, Anglesey etc, still part of Britain.
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 No.79806

>>79804
Na h-Eileanan Siar are as distant from Great Britain as Ireland is. there is no territorial continuity. there is no continuity of language. there is little continuity of economic activity, with Na h-Eileanan Siar having substantially lower economic output than the rest of the UK due to being a colonized nation.

It follows quickly from a Stalinist analysis that Na h-Eileanan Siar is a nation which must be liberated from the British yoke as Ireland was, either by a standard movement of national liberation or by a policy of national autonomy in a USSB. (The latter of course being subject to approval by the peoples of Na h-Eileanan Siar)
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 No.79837

>>79806
It's really not. It's part of Scotland.
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 No.79838

The Gaelic highlands was bastions of reaction in the 17th and 18th centuries, as Engels noted.
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 No.79849

>>79806
I will always pledge my allegiance to autism bossom brothers. God bless you sir, and god bless the oppressed people of Na h-Eilanan Siar in their battle for national liberation
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 No.79851

>>79837
that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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 No.79853

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 No.79856

>>79851
It shares the economic life of Scotland. It's a tiny collection of Scottish islands. They all speak English in addition to Gaelic.
>>79853
Because they were staunch Jacobites. But retaining the Jacobites and all their trappings would've meant delaying Britain's development as a capitalist nation-state and retaining feudalism until a French style revolution.
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 No.79857

>>79856
> But retaining the Jacobites and all their trappings would've meant delaying Britain's development as a capitalist nation-state and retaining feudalism until a French style revolution.
"Good"

Also do love you glossing over the ethnic cleansing part. Funny how MLs do that huh.
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 No.79858

>>79856
>It shares the economic life of Scotland.
It does not. Its GDP is substantially below the Scottish average, its core industries differ from those of the Scottish mainland, by any standard one could apply to claim that it "shares the economic life of Scotland" (which - by your own standard - we must assume implies sharing in the economic life of the United Kingdom - unless you've belatedly been convinced that Scotland is a nation) we could make the claim that Ireland has shared in the economic life of the United Kingdom. Indeed, one could probably argue that UK-Republic of Ireland economic relations have been altogether more integrated than UK-Na h-Eileanan Siar relations.
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 No.79859

*goes to look for the chapter of stalin where he says that:
burning old women to death in their crofthouse is good, progressive, advances the dialectic
burning tank factory workers to death in a nazi logistics hub is bad, reactionary, slows the dialectic.*
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 No.79860

>>79781
The U.K. is a bourgeoise alliance you helmet
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 No.79869

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 No.79976

>>79857
No, not good. Scots from the lowlands cleansed them just as much as the English did.
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 No.79978

>>79976
The U.K. is a bourgeoise alliance
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 No.79979

>>79858
>GDP is substantially below the Scottish average
So is northeast England, it's still part of Britain, same with Anglesey in Wales (also an island with some difference of langauge but still integrated into the whole).
>Ireland has shared in the economic life of the United Kingdom
But it doesn't, even when it was part of the United Kingdom in the 1800s, it was far more backwards, poverty-stricken and agricultural with the exception of the industries around Belfast which the British bourgeoisie ensured to retain. It served as a resource extraction base, hence why its population tumbled while Scotland for example boomed.
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 No.79993

File: 1613318502386.png (311.83 KB, 571x670, ClipboardImage.png)

And this is why we need ACORN - Jacobite
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 No.79998

>>79979
The U.K. is a bourgeoise alliance
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 No.79999

>>79993
Living Rent actually secured a proper one in Scotland albeit temporary
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 No.80000

>>79979
>far more backwards, poverty-stricken and agricultural
HMMM, ALMOST LIKE NA-h-EILEANAN SAIR
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 No.80001

check my motherfucking digits
(and ignore my typo)
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 No.80003

>>79998
It's a capitalist state ruled by the bourgeoisie. What it needs is a British wide communist movement to overthrow it, not balkanisation. When the workers movement in Britain was strong, Scottish/Welsh/English nationalism was a total non-factor.
>>80000
Hmmm, almost like loads of other places in Britain.
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 No.80010

>>80003
>Hmmm, almost like loads of other places in Britain.
And this is supposed to make the case that Ireland wasn't economically integrated with other places with Britain (!!)
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 No.80013

>>80003
How do you explain the fact there are so many parliaments if it’s just one state?
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 No.80021

>>80010
Development in any country is uneven. But they weren't extractive the way Ireland was
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 No.80026

>>80021
Stop ignoring my comments autism hat
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 No.80046

>>80021
inane, you're just prejudiced against hebrideans.
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 No.80049

Tbh I am sure if Leninhat just posted more about how Scotland isn't a nation, the SNP would shrivel up and die.
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 No.80060

getting quite ticked off with stories like this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56028750 being given the time of day
perhaps i'm too cynical and distrusting but it seems like scottish government spin. i mean look at this nonsense:
>The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, also claimed that the committee had "strayed so far from its own remit that it has made any of its findings completely useless".
>She added: "I think that they really had an opportunity to ensure they could investigate the creation of procedures that would make it safe and easy for women to come forward, and they have made it significantly harder."
translation: the committee is investigating a whether the first minister has lied to parliament, a resigning issue, instead of drawing up a new complaints procedure like a 2 bit civil servant, and this is supposed to be a bad thing! preventing the first minister from getting away with lying to parliament would be "completely useless"!

(there's also just something a bit grotesque about allowing someone to continue pressing their claim in the papers behind a veil of anonymity in the way that they're doing here after the courts found it couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but what can you do?)
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 No.80067

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 No.80109

>>80013
>>80026
The German Federal Republic has multiple parliaments for its states, the USA has state legislatures, Russia has regional parliaments, it's not unique to Britain.
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 No.80110

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>>80013
>>80026
when he doesn't reply it means he has no answer that isn't a completely and utterly reactionary unionist fellatio of the pro-empire brit bourg
honestly i am an ml but i feel embarrassed as fuck for the state of the communist movement whenever i read any of his phil greaves bullshit
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 No.80112

>>80109
Both Germany and the USA are federations. (Rather helpfully the Germans even put it in the title of their nation.) The UK purports to be a unitary state.
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 No.80113

>>80109
all of these places you listed are actually federations of various smaller countries/states btw
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 No.80114

>>80112
Spain is a unitary state with regional parliaments/assemblies. Same in Japan.
>>80113
A federation does not mean it is comprised of nations. It's just a different form of organisation.
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 No.80115

>>80110
The answer to the union of British capitalists has to be a union of British proletarians. Scottish nationalism is a false lightning rod that won't end capitalism, in Scotland or Britain as a whole, or even be a step towards socialism.
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 No.80124

>>80115
its not a false lightning rod if it will weaken the brit bourg, which is exactly what it will do. all scottish socialists and pro indy communists explicitly support independence on the basis of internationalism btw

there is absolutely nothing revolutionary about de facto defending the status quo against the will of the people and hand in hand with the overwhelming majority of the brit bourg, it fits right in line with how reformist, electoralist and labour party focused the modern "successors" of the cpgb are. every argument that you use to justify brexit can also be used to justify scottish independence, and that's a fact. this extreme ideological inconsistency is one of the reasons why i'm embarrassed for you
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 No.80125

>>80115
british identity is not real btw, we're all europeans and brexit is a balkanisation of europe that will ultimately divide the working class
t. eurocommunist hat
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 No.80126

Amazing how the nazi ruling class are threatening compulsory vaccines to get into shops and all liberals on here care about is Scottish bourgeois separatism.
>>80124
It won't weaken them at all, they will go on exploiting. The point of internationalism is not to carve up nations.
>status quo against the will of the people
Lmao, the people who voted it against the idea.
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 No.80130

https://twitter.com/Arwenstar/status/1360576753178185731

More sense spoken here than by every fascist "leftoid" shill for lockdown.
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 No.80131

>>80126
the point of internationalism is also not to support literal empires, nor is it to defend supremacy of a national bourg over nations they pretty much conquered. i think we can safely rule out you being an internationalist

also guess what: by your argument brexit wasn't a blow to the bourg either, they go on exploiting. so what was so good about it then? repealing workers rights?
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 No.80134

>>80131
The British empire is separate from Britain as a nation. Scotland voluntarily joined with England, there was no conquest or tears from the Scottish in that regard.
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 No.80135

>>80130
good to know you're continuing your progression into becoming a tory scumbag i see
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 No.80139

>>80135
Doesn't matter cos 99% of them are pro-lockdown anyway, but if a Tory MP speaks the truth then yeah he should be commended. Not my problem Labourites are even bigger fanatic lockdown nazis.
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 No.80152

File: 1613329438437.jpg (108.2 KB, 1200x1200, 0_21690242-7739531-image-m….jpg)

the answer to a union of Irish and British capitalists is to split the country asunder rather than importing revolutionary fervor from Ireland, actually.
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 No.80160

>>80152
>importing revolutionary fervor from Ireland
how did that work out for us other than anti irish riots in liverpool and that you can still get a knife in the ribs or your house firebombed for having the wrong accent in glasgow?
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 No.80163

>>80160
all a consequence of disunionism.
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 No.80165

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>>80125
>eurocommunist
Well congratulations, you got yourself caught. What's the next step of your master plan?
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 No.80169

File: 1613330326635.png (6.29 MB, 1416x2123, ClipboardImage.png)

>>80165
Crashing, this, plane, with, uhm, No survivors!
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 No.80279

File: 1613337155476-0.jpg (214.46 KB, 1200x1521, 18477-6rv6cn.jpg)

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intermittent reminder that this country is a completely dysfunctional shithole even by capitalist standards.
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 No.80311

>>79777
did you reply to the wrong person? i'm wasn't talking about nation-states
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 No.80316

>>79777
>Never existed, Scotland was a feudal kingdom, not a nation-state
Damn i guess scottish culture and laguage didnt exist either
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 No.80320

>>80160
Kek mate it’s not 1985
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 No.80322

>>80134
>friends from everywhere, in Scotland there was no coup, there was a peaceful movement of the british people to recover and respect our monarchy, our feudalism, and our tithes
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 No.80401

File: 1613346644175.png (55.82 KB, 200x150, 1610387229836.png)

thinking about all the landlord parasites being shafted by high street retailers again
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 No.80404

>>80316
Language and tradition aren't enough to make a nation state.
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 No.81023

>>80320
are you sure about that? my irish pal living in bridgeton had to move out of his flat at the start of the fucking lockdown because while he was having a fag in the window of his house a bunch of cunts gathered up and told him they're going to firebomb his house if he doesn't get to fuck. thank fuck he could move in with his missus because no chance gha was going to be able to give him another flat when all their offices are fucking shut
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 No.81113

>>80112
As far as I am aware the UK doesn't actually and to a lesser degree than Germany, USA or Russia (though maybe not for Russia, but that's more to do with satisfying the nationalists in the countries they control)
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 No.81114

>>80139
No they are not, are you capable of reading between the lines? or even listing to what they are directly saying
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 No.81115

>>81113
rephrase
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 No.81572

>>81023
I feel like I have heard this story IRL. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. You’re probably not lying, but I don’t think that’s a regular occurrence, but also maybe I’m wrong. Bridgeton is an orange hell hole to be fair.
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 No.81694

oh fuck it go on then:
Scotland was already a proto-Nation State in the 1300s. It is clear from the primary sources like Wallace's letter to the Hanseatic league (and indeed, that the non-noble Wallace took a leadership position at all) that Scotland had at least some conception of itself as a distinct nation independent both of England, and of the various interwoven feudal loyalties of society at that time.
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 No.81902

File: 1613419320210.png (33.03 KB, 562x317, ClipboardImage.png)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1361374736173907974
tiniest fucking violin in the multiverse plays
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 No.81918

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>>81902
all together now
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 No.81924

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 No.82061

>>81902
Elena BTFO kek
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 No.82750

File: 1613483083895.png (1.11 MB, 664x862, ClipboardImage.png)

This man slaps yo girl on the arse and calls you a pussy, what do.
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 No.82751

>>80130
>Bookworm—NCTJ Qualified Journalist—anti-Woke—no interest in MSM—French but Britain is my home—Pro Free Speech—Patriot
Flag of United Kingdom
Flag of France
—Keep Britain Free #KBF
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 No.82761

File: 1613484280136.png (572.65 KB, 1007x521, bradley-bush.png)

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 No.82762

>>82750
I slap him on the balls and call him a knob
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 No.82769

timeline where Britain didn't enter WW1 and just let Europe get on with it rather than destroying herself because some guy's Sunday drive got a bit out of hand
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 No.82773

>>82769
>Britain doesn't enter WWI
<5 minutes later
>All-Isles civil war starts over the Home Rule Crisis
Yeah, nah.
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 No.82775

File: 1613487878946.mp4 (12.87 MB, 480x360, Oj Alija, Aljo.mp4)

>>82773
this but with an accordion and it's about Lloyd George, Prime Minister of Wales.
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 No.82776

File: 1613488029882.png (1.07 MB, 1020x746, 6FC5F3DC-1868-44EB-9D34-23….png)

>>82769
Fuck you socdem, i.e. social rodent, i.e. progro-maggot
Your shitty island should be burned to fucking cinders
London should become ruins
You already destroyed all the flora and fauna on your island anyway like the orcs you are, even we Burgers still possess the natural beauty of the North American continent even if it is sadly receded, but Britain is literally a dead island now

Burn it all, burn it to cinders, without exception, without restraint; destroy the birthplace of Angloism, send the Whore Queens of the Boggy Swamplands back to Hell
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 No.82777

I just learned what 'dilate' means

what the fuck
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 No.82778

File: 1613488284655.mp4 (8.87 MB, 480x360, SERBIAN ARTILLERY IS LED B….mp4)

>>82776
English artillery is lead by god
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 No.82779

>>82775
Men Beyond the Wire but it is about Churchill rounding up the London-Irish.
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 No.82781

File: 1613488819293.jpg (175.99 KB, 1080x750, 3lrb3jmu3ol51.jpg)

>britain wasn't bas—
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 No.82785

>>82781
You’re lucky the Brits weren’t stupid enough to photograph themselves bayoneting and raping children like the Jap Empire was, Anglo
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 No.82787

>>82785
Where are you from, o salty anon?
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 No.82788

>>82781
kek I remember that pic from the original leftypol 'rojava can't be socialist because they take american weapons' drama
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 No.82791

File: 1613489403519.jpg (75.67 KB, 800x624, Daylight-bombing-Lancaster.jpg)

>>82785
alas we were apparently still too stupid to drop a 2000lb bomb down your grandmother's chimney, if indeed they have chimneys in whatever ghastly part of the world you've crawled out from.
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 No.82792

>>82781
why tf the tank going
v-v
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 No.82793

>>82788
how many american military bases in syria was it again?
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 No.82794

>>82793
OVER A DOZEN
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 No.82795

>>82787
>Where are you from, o salty anon?
Isn't it obvious from how he talks like he's a protagonist in his own movie?

>>82785
>>82776
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 No.82796

>>82792
it's in a huff because it's stuck doing a photo opportunity rather than charging through fascist frontlines crushing all who stand before it
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 No.82797

File: 1613489634451-0.jpg (61.43 KB, 733x507, whburn.jpg)

File: 1613489634451-1.jpg (48.18 KB, 684x386, burning-of-wh-whha-web_1.jpg)

hello… based department?
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 No.82801

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>>82787
>>82791
You Anglos are the disease that ruined the world
Don’t play coy
You know what you fuckers did
You put the Nazis and Americans to shame
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 No.82807

Only an American could be so naive as to imagine the British empire worse than the American one. It reveals a remarkable inability to connect the dots.
"Look!" he says, "Look at the crimes committed under the British flag!"
Oh, the flag! The sacred cloth that the American doth worship!

But should you carefully put away the flag, should you start wars, commit murder and genocide, allow famine on an unprecedented scale in a world of plenty, that can all be put aside provided the flag is treated with care - there may well be rivers of innocent blood linking an American empire of blackest reaction, but the flag was not there. No need to look any closer. All is well, The flag was not there to witness the bloodshed.
That star-spangled banner yet waves, O'er the land of the free and the home of the slaves.
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 No.82811

>>82807
Well if we assume that killing 1 Billion people is worse than killing 20 million people and setting up racial caste systems all around the world is worse than not doing that and setting up colonies is worse than setting up shitty local governments then the British Empire is objectively worse lmao
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 No.82812

(but only as punishment for committing a crime, such as jaywalking.)
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 No.82815

>>82811
>and setting up colonies is worse than setting up shitty local governments
Typical American, restate the thesis with none of the poetic beauty while missing the point that it was an indictment against you.
"If we assume that a colony is worse than a puppet government, then you were worse" no shit - but only an American, an economist, or (god forbid) an American economist could be so stupid as to make such an assertion. They are the exact same thing, the only difference is a dilution of responsibility on the part of the colonizing power. Only an American could be so naive as to believe otherwise.

(And frankly, even a Neoconservative would struggle to be so charitable to the American as to assume that they'd killed only 20 million.)
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 No.82816

>>82811
More people have starved to death or otherwise died from poverty under American hegemony than under British hegemony and it's not even close
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 No.82822

>>82801
Stop dodging the question, what country are you from?
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 No.82825

>>82776
Anybody other than yanks, aussies or canadians can say this and I be fine with it.
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 No.82826

>>82815
Okay, explain how the US Empire is actually worse than the British Empire, I’ll wait
Even if they’re 100% equal the British Empire still created racial caste systems all over the world that continue to fuck everything, the Americans do not
>>82816
But only the British practiced direct rule 😎
>>82822
NYC
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 No.82828

>>82776
>Roman Settlers
Cry me a river
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 No.82829

>>82828
Lmao I didn’t make the meme
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 No.82830

>>82826
>But only the British practiced direct rule 😎

So what? How does that make a difference whether you rule yourself or empower corrupt local leaders and bankrupt their countries through parasitic global institutions?
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 No.82834

>>82826
The Americans are the racial caste system?
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 No.82835

>>82826
>NYC
>The Heart of the Belly of the Beast
Seethe more deflecting yank.
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 No.82836

>>82826
>the British Empire still created racial caste systems all over the world that continue to fuck everything, the Americans do not
Utterly inane, America's chief export is her pathological system of race relations.

Never forget that American soldiers in WW2 had to be specifically told not to flip the fuck out because British people were treating black empire soldiers like human beings - or the multiple riots that resulted from Yanks treating Aboriginal Australians and Maori with disrespect.
It's not even that the British Empire wasn't racist, in those specific cases it was that Yank racism is of quite a different breed to ours. We've never felt the need to use race as a cypher for class prejudice in the way that Americans have.
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 No.82838

>>82836
I mean 1980s - 2020s US Empire
The US Empire was barely a thing until WWII
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 No.82840

File: 1613491751371.png (304.78 KB, 1200x1089, global boker face israel b….png)

>>82838
>The US Empire was barely a thing until WWII

GLOBAL BOKER FACE
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 No.82841

>>82838
>The US Empire was barely a thing until WWII
pinoys: am i a joke to you?
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 No.82844

File: 1613491810731.png (1.98 KB, 175x31, ClipboardImage.png)

>>82838
Oh look it's Britain in your head.
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 No.82845

>>82841
Kek the Native Americans, Native Hawaiians and Central Americans would also like a word
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 No.82849

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>>82840
>>82841
>>82844
>>82845
The US wasn’t an empire until the post-Civil War Era
The Civil War was the groundwork to make a US Empire just like the English Civiil War made the Anglo Empire
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 No.82852

>>82849
>until the post-Civil War Era
You must forgive me, I'm not up to date with American historiography. When did the civil war end? I thought it was in the mid-1800s, but presumably things have advanced and we're now dating it beyond the introduction of desegregation busing.
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 No.82853

>>82849
The United States was an empire from it's inception. One of the reasons the original 13 states revolted was because the British weren't letting them expand westwards. One of the reasons the civil war even happened was because of disputes over slavery laws in the new states as the US was expanding west
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 No.82858

>>82853 (me)

replying just to get rid of the sage
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 No.82859

>>82852
The US had two civil wars and one ended in the 18th Century
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 No.82878

File: 1613492757025.jpeg (49.41 KB, 497x497, 3D9B99C4-3677-44F1-B14D-6….jpeg)

Every one ITT except for me reminds me of this guy
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 No.82900

>>82878
Who's that
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 No.82904

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 No.82925

>>82826
Not defending the britbong empire by any means but the ones that created the racial caste systems were the Spanish and Portuguese, since they had the first global colonial empires before the rest of Europe
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 No.82929

>>82878
he looks like that fat scottish cunt, capaldi or something
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 No.82973

hell world where the only people capable of imagining a world beyond post-1970s neoliberal capitalism are the people imagining 1930 spain, 1940s germany, 1950s russia or 1960s china
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 No.82982

>>82973
Hell world where only socdems are left
If it’s socdems all the way down in the West then the West just needs to be completely destroyed
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 No.82990

>>82982
Yes clearly 1945-1979 was the worst period in Europe.
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 No.82991

>>82982
the number of socdems in the world today can be counted on one hand.
you are trapped in hell, boxed in on all sides by pillars of flame. the devil himself comes along to push your head deeper into the boiling lakes of torment. as the scalding waters flow into your lungs is it any surprise that you've lost the ability to remember a time before eternal punishment, that you no longer long for any release but that of death?
that is the impulse at play when one cries for complete destruction. well drink up, friend, because right behind the illusory release of death there only lies a deeper circle of hell.
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 No.82992

>>82990
So you’re saying you’re not a communist?
Good to know
At least the burger thread is all commies
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 No.82995

>>82992
Being a Communist doesn't fucking mean anything. It's an aesthetic, it is a style, it has no material meaning. I have met 20 of your type, they'll wear the pin or talk of revolutionary terror as a positive then do fuckall. At-least let me live in peace without your autistic sperging.
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 No.82999

broke: communism is the real movement which abolishes the present state of things
woke: communism is when you personally think that a certain set of ideas are jolly good, as you sit waiting in vain for someone else to bring them about while passing the time and dulling the pain of living in the worst social structure mankind has ever known by arguing with people who have a slightly different impotent vision of a utopia that will never be so long as people like you are the only ones behind it.
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 No.83009

>>82776
nooooooooooooooooo not the Boers you can't kill the white settlers
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 No.83036

>>82992
>Burger thread
>Commies
Hey bud I got some bad news
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 No.83046

>>82995
smile, you're on camera :) >>83026
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 No.83048

>>82995
>It's an aesthetic, it is a style, it has no material meaning.
Window shopping logic. You shouldn't be a communist, or more specifically a Marxist, because you happen to like or dislike what someone is individually doing. You should be one because the analysis Marx makes is simply largely accurate, regardless of anything else.
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 No.83055

>>83046
Haha this retard actually went crying to the burger thread to get high and mighty about communism
>>82999
If anyone here disagrees with this post: you're a lib. (checked em btw)
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 No.83056

>>83055
Yea cuz you never know when a british jannie might wind up banning you for insulting the brits
At least the burger jannies are fine with people shitting on America
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 No.83060

>>83056
Cringe if that actually happens. Has it?
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 No.83061

>>83060
I think it happened to an anon on Bunkerchan
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 No.83066

>>82849
Manifest destiny isn't an imperial project?
I guess that's all rightful American clay?
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 No.83071

>>83061
my dad works on the mod team and he says it's fine
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 No.83075

>>82925
This, the only think unique about the British Empire is that its colonial creations have yet to receive anything like their come-uppance
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 No.83076

>>83066
It was genocidal conquest but not imperialism
My dad is black and says the British Empire was more racist btw
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 No.83079

>>83076
>It was genocidal conquest but not imperialism
ah well that's much better
presumably the French project in Algeria was also mere genocidal conquest, not imperialism.
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 No.83184

File: 1613509005139.png (12.86 KB, 845x140, ClipboardImage.png)

GIBRAL'AR BEST VACCINE IN THE WURLD MATE
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 No.83209

>>83076
My dad works at nintendo and says nuh uh.
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 No.83406

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 No.83408

>>83406
Jesse, the fuck are you talking about?
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 No.83494

i miss women omg…
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 No.83640

>>82838
Wow you have revealed yourself to be a total historylet lmaoooo
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 No.83641

>>82781
Omg the ussr was a literal CIA operation
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 No.83655

>>83076
Great, I know plenty of black British people who don't want to ever go to the USA because of how racist it is
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 No.83660

>>83641
No it was german intelligence with some American support
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 No.83678

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>>77551
>sc*ts
>p*pists
Rides over celtoid, time to die
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 No.83686

>"Wings" is trending on twitter
<It's about a K-Pop group and not that WIngs
Boo I thought something interesting might be happening then.
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 No.83693

>>83209
>>83640
>>83655
>>83079
So just to be clear, you’re all saying that the British Empire and the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade were good?
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 No.83694

>>83693
I know American education is bad, but that's some damn poor reading comprehension.
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 No.83695

>>83693
No you autist I’m saying the subjugation of Latin America was bad
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 No.83699

>>83693
>British Empire
Bad. Less bad than the US Empire.
>Trans Atlantic Slave Trade
Bad. But Britain did not start it, did not transport the most slaves (Hi Portugal!) and did not keep importing slaves until 1859! (Good Morning America!)
(Britain did, however, maintain a naval presence off Africa from 1808–1867 with the purpose of suppressing the slave trade. In so doing it captured more than 1,600 slave ships. Its motivations were no doubt self-serving, and in no way does this "Make up" for its prior participation in the slave trade, but it's a hell of a lot more than America ever did.)
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 No.83700

File: 1613565323157.jpg (109.77 KB, 800x525, The-Royal-Navy-s-West-Afri….jpg)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you can't take my boat pls it's my private property what about my natural rights please it's a free market give me my boat back please it's my property pls pls respect my liberty NOOOOOOOOOO not my slaves it took me forever to collect all those you can't just let them go why why why :(
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 No.83705

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>>83699
>British Empire less bad than American Empire
It’s over
How will britbongs ever recover?
Picrel
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 No.83708

File: 1613566119981.png (572.65 KB, 1007x521, bradley-bush.png)

>>83705
>using discord
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 No.83715

>>83693
No, our only difference is that I'm saying that the trans-atlantic slave trade was worse and its produce (and remaining beneficent) the USA is worse
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 No.83723

>>83708
>using the internet in any way shape or form
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 No.83726

>>83723
I, for one, do not even own a telephone.
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 No.83730

File: 1613568672921.png (29.99 KB, 900x500, commie britain.png)

The British Empire was objectively a good thing for history and a progressive force. Marx indirectly praises it in like the first 3 chapters or so of the communist manifesto. Like how Engels said "no ancient slavery, no modern socialism" (from Anti-Duehring iirc), the correct take on the British Empire is "no 18th and 19th century European Imperialism, no modern socialism." The British Empire helped create the conditions of modern capitalism and thus the conditions for modern socialism.

The reason the British Empire is good and the American one is bad is because the American one is reactionary in the sense that it aims to keep the third world underdeveloped rather than creating the conditions for its development like the British one did. The British Empire, however, did have reactionary tendencies in that it kept Ireland underdeveloped but overall was a force for economic progression.

So yeah, seethe more yanks
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 No.83741

>>83730
I'd disagree, I think that you can accept that the British Empire and other european empires were necessary stages in the development of captialism and hence socialism, but also hold a negative view. If anything you need to be critical of past stages to motivate future progress. That's not to even mention the crimes against humanity.
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 No.83742

File: 1613570734574.png (838.33 KB, 1200x800, ClipboardImage.png)

Got reminded Piers Morgan exists.
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 No.83744

File: 1613570894624.jpeg (2.45 MB, 3715x2786, 769EE694-0F4A-4507-8778-2….jpeg)

>>83730
>The British Empire was good unironically
<And the Britbong cunts still wonder why I troll their thread
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 No.83746

>>83744
your "trolling" consisting of unironic apologia for the US empire, the most reactionary the world has ever known.
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 No.83748

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>>83708
This right here >>83730 is why you Anglos need to be trolled viciously and daily
If us non-Britbongs just leave your thread alone you start jerking off about how based and redpilled the Angloid Empire was
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 No.83750

File: 1613571189895.jpeg (131 KB, 404x500, 5C1055D6-96C4-47B1-B5BA-C….jpeg)

>>83746
>British Empire
<Not reactionary
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 No.83752

>american is illiterate
who'd have thought
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 No.83754

File: 1613571369946.jpeg (72.99 KB, 828x811, CB5EC8DA-DD2C-472E-9652-2….jpeg)

>>83752
Lemme ask you, Brit, because I really wanna know the mindset of the Briton
Exactly how much does the average Anglo on the street hate their estranged off-shoot state that is my country?
Furthermore, admit it bro, bro fam, brocel, the average Brit feels no shame about the British Empire, si señor?
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 No.83755

*coca cola company massacres colombians for trying to unionise with the full backing of the US legal system*

y-yeah but did you know the british empire did war crimes like burning down Washington?
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 No.83756

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>>83755
Hey fam, if the Anglos destroyed Burgerstan and executed every last colonist cunt they’d have at least ONE redeeming action in their history
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 No.83758

>>83750
>Calling yourself based
Imagine being that fucking narcissistic oh wait you did say you were a yank.
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 No.83759

>>83756
>>83754
>>83750
>>83748
Hey have you thought about learning to read?
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 No.83760

>>83754
we think that you are clowns living in a nightmare world. if you want to imagine the average briton's understanding of america, imagine yourself as a random pedestrian in a grand theft auto game with all the humour stripped out.

the need to feel shame over events that took place before you were born lead by a class your family has never been a part of is a pathology that afflicts only americans with their deeply internalised caste system, grotesque nationalism and total inability to understand class politics.
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 No.83764

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>>83754
>how do we feel about yanks
Alright lads for the most part, need to focus on rebuilding the anglosphere to seeing as continentals are too busy being stuck up cunts and sucking off china
>feel no shame about the Empire
Nah not really, lots of murder to be sure and many reprehensible actions but a net positive for mankind in the end
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 No.83766

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>>83760
So you’re saying you guys don’t like us on average?
And yet you created us?
And yet the US Empire saved the British Empire?
Like fam, I ain’t even in support of this country at all, I’m black pilled enough that I want Comrade Xi to press the BASED button and launch his entire nuclear arsenal at D.C., but I don’t understand Briton
I thought America and Britain were kawaii with each other
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 No.83773

>>83766
If you needed more proof this is merely just projection from someone trying to deal with his own complicated feelings about his own nation.
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 No.83775

>>83766
>So you’re saying you guys don’t like us on average?
We think poorly of Americans in aggregate. When dealing with individuals we tend to make no particular judgement. (For example an American actor is just an actor, unless he does something clownishly American like shooting up a Walmart we make no judgement of his American-ness. But when we think of "An American", we have in our heads an obnoxious buffoon.)
But as with all feelings in a country such as ours, they are a whirling maelstrom of contradictions.
>And yet the US Empire saved the British Empire?
This is something the British elite tells itself to ignore the fact that the US Empire dismembered the British empire and stole all the pieces for itself, leaving the rump United Kingdom behind as a puppet state. America insists to every country that it has a special friendship with them, and most of them take it as the diplomatic formality it is - but the British feel obliged to imagine the statement is serious. When America calls for a few additional flags to add legitimacy to the latest string of war crimes Britain is always there ready to stand behind her (Iraq), when America wishes to defend her interests without consulting Britain first Britain makes do with a mere apology (Grenada), and when Britain considers going off to resolve her own interests America quickly slaps her down: That's not your place, you will do no such thing… (Suez, Cyprus)

The story of Britain is the story of King Laius, killed and cucked by his own son.
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 No.83796

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>>83764
You anglos deserve your place as the lapdogs of your betters, you disgust me
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 No.83799

>>83796
They made BRG a playable character? nice
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 No.83836

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What’s sex in Britain like?
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 No.83856

>>83836
Same as in any other capitalist nation lmao
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 No.83864

>>83836
Pretty good just got done with your mum.
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 No.83920

god starmer is a useless waste of space
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 No.83925

an utterly vacuous time waster with all the media presence of Honey for Tea, which conveniently is also trapped in the 1990s.
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 No.83940

>>83744
>replying to your own false-flag
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 No.83943

>>83920
People seem convinced they are going to can him after the locals for some reason.
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 No.83961

>>83943
we live in hope
(although if it does happen his replacement will be just as bad)
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 No.84018

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lol
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 No.84092

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 No.84096

>>84018
Starmer IS A BITCH
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 No.84695

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>Tfw you will see Parliament debate Omegle
What a timeline.
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 No.84756

>>84695
>interests: cocaine
>live feed of the house of commons bathroom pops up
>Michael Gove passed out in the end cubicle
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 No.84803

https://wingsoverscotland.com/to-the-national-union-of-journalists/
ngl wings over scotland is a cunt but he's got a point here.

i wouldn't normally bother posting it here, but it's irritated me because you can just sense what a closed little circlejerk the scottish press is. note that it's the NUJ Scotland, not the real NUJ that bothered to comment. so you can just imagine a little clique of incompetent journalists all gathering around going "oh, we'd better do a statement", something they'd never do for WoS because they don't know and like WoS..
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 No.84809

>>84695
>exposing omegle
>2021
The BBC really is fast going down the drain, isn't it? Journalism in this country is dead.
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 No.84813

>>84809
>exposing a site full of bots and has been dead for well over a decade
"journalism" everybody!
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 No.84816

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Britbongs
How can you remain sane with your bog standard piece of shit lib politicians?
Just watching that filthy cunt Biden, every uncle tom and power hungry bitch he’s put in power, it’s driving me towards insanity, I hate these people so much it consumes almost all of my thoughts, I hate these people more than I hate Donald Trump
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 No.84818

>>84813
Whats worse is that this is there Investigative Journalism teams apparently.. Is this going to be the norm post slashing of the budgets?

I checked BBC news a few times this week and the front page every day has been something about marginal US celebreties and things on twitter. BBC as the institution we know and love will be dead or a shitty online outfit in our lifetimes, calling it.
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 No.84819

>>84803
Yeah the NUJ is shit.
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 No.84847

>>84816
I always think at least it takes no effort to convince people that they are shit, much more difficult with someone slick like Obama (I'm struggling to come up with a UK equivalent).
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 No.84853

>>84847
Bo Burnham, Mayor of Manchester
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 No.84944

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here we
here we
here we fucking GO
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 No.84960

>>84944
What does this mean?
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 No.84997

>>84960
the scottish parliament will publish salmond's statement about sturgeon lying to parliament. most likely, salmond will also appear at the committee to make the allegation in person, since he can now talk about the stuff in his statement at the committee.

the route to get here has been farcical: the statement was published by the spectator and wings over scotland a while ago and neither was prosecuted, nevertheless the committee - with a SNP+Green majority - refused to publish it because of their legal advisors supposedly saying it could be in contempt of court to publish it even in redacted form. the spectator then went to court seeking a change to the court orders to confirm that it wasn't in contempt to publish it. there was speculation that the committee would again vote not to publish, but apparently recognizing how shameful that would be they kicked the decision over to the Scottish Parliament's corporate body (the SNP MSP who proposed kicking it to the SPCB then voted against doing so because that's the level of farce we're on now), which has one representative from every party - that is, a unionist majority - and they voted to publish.
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 No.85196

>>83742
He's such a repulsive cretin. Should be in prison.
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 No.85215

I see the usual fascist cretins are defending the British Empire again. Such nauseating chauvinism. The Orwell types who posture as socialists while being colonial parasites.
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 No.85224

>>85215
there's like one post out of several hundred in this thread which could possibly be read as a defence of the british empire.

go ahead and make an unequivocal claim that the British Empire is worse than the American one, or vice versa. Fence sitting is for crows and lib dems.
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 No.85245

>>85224
"Your empire was worse than mine" childish nonsense has no place in Marxism. The British Empire is the most bloodstained entity in history and was the direct inspiration for fascist German plans for the USSR, along with manifest destiny, so yeah, I can call it worse.

Squirming away from this is the mark of someone who isn't serious about ending British imperialism. If your first response to the British Empire isn't fury and a desire to see every last remnant of it annihilated, you're not cut out for communism.
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 No.85354

>>85245
I thought lenin hat was pro britain
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 No.85391

>>85224
>communism is when you decide what imperialist state was the single worst
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 No.85415

>>85245
>"Your empire was worse than mine" childish nonsense has no place in Marxism
As always, Leninhat, you fail to see the woods for the trees. We are not ranking empires as a petty game, we are chronicling their public relations and propaganda - public relations you have fallen for. You might wish to ask yourself: Why was the British empire so proud to announce itself as the largest empire man has ever known? Why does the USA - which we both surely agree is an empire - instead insist that it is not an empire?

The foolish answer would be to fall into the liberal marketplace of ideas: People realised that empires are morally wrong.
The correct answer is much more sinister: People will rebel less against a power they do not recognize, and the re-assertion of that power will be much easier.
If you are living in poverty under a British flag you know precisely what the problem is and who you need to get rid of to resolve it - but poverty under your own "independent" flag, well, that's something that can be resolved by taking power domestically. Except, of course, that the nucleus of the nation's poverty lies not in the presidential palace but in the headquarters of American business interests.

>The British Empire is the most bloodstained entity in history

Your accounting betrays you as having fallen for American propaganda. The only way to come to a figure such as this is to regard the British Empire as one "entity" and then fail to aggregate the American empire accordingly - a famine in British Ruritania is to be regarded as a crime of the British Empire, and a famine in "independent" Ruritania under American hegemony a simple domestic failure of the Ruritanians. No need to look behind the curtain at the wizards of American enterprise.

>>85391
Communism is when you have a realistic assessment of the world in which we live, and those who argue that the American Empire is "better" than the British one wind up making the argument that we are living in a period of anything but the blackest reaction. Anyone who can regard history post 1991 as anything but a string of disasters owes more to Fukuyama than to Marx.
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 No.85418

>>85215
Leninhat
You are a true bro
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 No.86513

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 No.86514

>>86513
Ogre for britbongcels
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 No.86515

>>86514
Are you dumb
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 No.86516

>>86515
Shit, thought it said uber drivers ARE self-employed
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 No.86517

>>86516
With your new found skills in comprehension, maybe you could go back through this thread and understand what people are saying
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 No.86532

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BASED Keir standing against the existing order
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 No.86535

>>86532
Is that real??
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 No.86537

>>86535
Yup, labour fedbook.
>Seize
Yeah I'm thinking based
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 No.86547

File: 1613742206223.png (404.28 KB, 1242x1756, ClipboardImage.png)

>Supreme Court recognises Uber Drivers as workers
>Same day the IWGB branch of them demands union recognition
I'm thinking based?
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 No.86594

>>85354
I am only "pro-Britain" in the sense of the country becoming a united socialist republic. In terms of the empire, the bourgeoisie, I want nothing but total destruction.

>>85415
>As always, Leninhat, you fail to see the woods for the trees. We are not ranking empires as a petty game, we are chronicling their public relations and propaganda - public relations you have fallen for.

Implying that the USA is any worse than the British Empire is chauvinism and finger pointing. Who did the American imperialists learn everything they do from? The British imperialists.

>You might wish to ask yourself: Why was the British empire so proud to announce itself as the largest empire man has ever known? Why does the USA - which we both surely agree is an empire - instead insist that it is not an empire?


Because the international situation changed as a result of the October Socialist Revolution and decolonisation, led by communists. Imperialists can no longer openly boast of their crimes because the communists have thoroughly documented and exposed them. They cloak their tyranny in flowery tales of "liberal democracy", and it's more beneficial to them this way. Everything now has a "woke" alibi.

>Except, of course, that the nucleus of the nation's poverty lies not in the presidential palace but in the headquarters of American business interests.


Pointless defeatism. Yes, Britain is a vassal to America, like the rest of NATO, but revolution is still possible. If Vietnam and Korea could throw off the shackles of much more severe colonialism, then there is no reason Britain cannot overthrow a comparably weak grip. Russia was becoming owned by Franco-British industrialists and bankers before WW1 yet the Bolsheviks knew their main enemy were the Russian bourgeoisie and monarchy. Nonetheless, the primary obstacle to socialism in Britain and the cause of the poverty of the working class are the British capitalists, who've been robbing the world before the USA was even formed. It wasn't American capitalists who gunned down striking British workers in the 1910s, ordered British police to smash miners skulls in during the 1984 strike or order them to beat up proletarians against lockdown in Trafalgar square.

>Your accounting betrays you as having fallen for American propaganda.


By any measure the British Empire killed at least 150 million worldwide. The Bengal Famine is as bloody as anything America inflicted. And without the British Empire, there would be no USA, or fascist Germany. Sure, the USA uses its neocolonial lackeys, just like Britain did. I am not absolving the American imperialists of their crimes.
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 No.86611

>>86594
>Implying that the USA is any worse than the British Empire is chauvinism and finger pointing.
It is not. It is a material fact. If I am a British chauvinist for saying that the British empire was not as harmful as the American one has been, I must surely be a Lithuanian chauvinist first and foremost for my views on the Couronian empire.
We can demonstrate that it is worse in two simple and objective ways:
The first, that the harm it does can quickly be calculated and demonstrated numerically.
The second, that their propaganda has been much more effective and insidious, making it much harder for people to identify imperialism as the root issue.
>Who did the American imperialists learn everything they do from? The British imperialists.
Did the Americans learn a lot from the British? Undoubtedly. But it takes some level of chauvinism to imagine that they are incapable of their own incremental alterations to the formula. As indeed they have done: Had they not innovated and merely copied the British playbook wholesale we would see 80% of the world decked out in American flags and find US Gunboats in the Thames.
>They cloak their tyranny in flowery tales of "liberal democracy", and it's more beneficial to them this way. Everything now has a "woke" alibi.
This is the precise point I am trying to make in cut-down form. For all the pomp and bombast about documenting and exposing the crimes of imperialism, they have rarely been stopped. So-called "decolonization" has been more of a rebranding exercise than a genuine abandonment of imperial control. Certainly, many of the movements in that direction had correct intentions - many were socialist lead, some even socialist governed for a time. But the vast bulk were subsequently subverted and recolonised by the United States. The US just never felt it necessary to say as much directly.
And so instead of the British Imperial Outpost of Ruritania, a colony kept mainly for oil, we find ourselves with the Free and Independent Republic of Ruritania, a shining beacon of liberal-democracy and host to the largest ExxonMobil refinery in the region.
>Pointless defeatism. Yes, Britain is a vassal to America
The country in the given example was not intended to be Britain (we do not have a presidential palace) and you appear to have misinterpreted it. The point was not that the shackles of colonialism cannot be thrown off, but that the fact countries are colonized at all is one that is obfuscated. That is to say, if you seize the presidential palace and leave the US business interests alone (as the nice man from the CIA will advise you to do as soon as you take power, and the nice men from the world bank, IMF, etc, will advise you to do shortly after.) then you will achieve nothing. The actors change but the play remains the same. This, surely, is a familiar tale in a world as coup-ridden as ours.
Britain is closer to a US vassal than a US colony. (Although post ~1970s I would make a strong case that US capital's grubby fingerprints are all over the murder scene. One must recall that it is a matter of some public record that many in the US saw the 1976 IMF Loan affair as an excuse to wreck the UK's """socialist""" Labour government, as well as that of Portugal.)

None of which is to say that Britain cannot break out of this - but that is a secondary point to the one I wish to drive home: That the US presently runs the largest empire the world has ever known, that some quick calculations can demonstrate the untold harm it does, and it does a damn good job obfuscating that down to "merely" sending the CIA to coup any government that looks a bit socialist and starting an oil war here or there.

>By any measure the British Empire killed at least 150 million worldwide.

9 million die of hunger each year. Within the lifetime of the average poster of this board we can easily draw up a figure greater than that. The disbelief you feel at this sort of figure is precisely the intention of US propaganda: how could it possibly be that America, with so few documented massacres, has accumulated more bloodshed than a British empire which spilled enough blood to dye its every uniform red? The answer, of course, is that the Americans are the ones writing the documentation.
(I do not make the claim that quite literally every death from hunger is the fault of the Americans - but equally, this simple calculation leaves out the wars, the coups, the premature deaths, the anti-union death squads… The point is purely illustrative.)

The British Empire is dead, fascist Germany is dead, but the US Empire lives on.
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 No.86614

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It's just another day for you and me in paradise (para-paradise)
Paradise
Ooh, just think about it
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 No.86639

>>86611
>It is not. It is a material fact. If I am a British chauvinist for saying that the British empire was not as harmful as the American one has been, I must surely be a Lithuanian chauvinist first and foremost for my views on the Couronian empire.
Material fact based on what? In terms of duration, death toll and ecnomic plunder (mostly of India) the British Empire makes the USA look like amateurs.
>The second, that their propaganda has been much more effective and insidious, making it much harder for people to identify imperialism as the root issue.
American imperialism is not really hidden. Anyone with a brain cell in Latin America knows about it. AFRICOM is increasingly makes its grip known about imperialism in the old school colonial manner.
>wholesale we would see 80% of the world decked out in American flags and find US Gunboats in the Thames.
Whenever there is a revolution that does happen, like Vietnam or Korea. It's easier to use local lackeys while there isn't a revolutionary situation, but when the social revolution happens in Britain there will likely be American planes bombing the country.
>9 million die of hunger each year. Within the lifetime of the average poster of this board we can easily draw up a figure greater than that. The disbelief you feel at this sort of figure is precisely the intention of US propaganda: how could it possibly be that America, with so few documented massacres, has accumulated more bloodshed than a British empire which spilled enough blood to dye its every uniform red? The answer, of course, is that the Americans are the ones writing the documentation.
The USA has shitloads of documented massacred. The entirety of Manifest Destiny for starters. I don't deny they starve millions to death worldwide. It also happens in bourgeois states like Russia which are capitalist but not under American overlordship however.
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 No.86644

furlough has been extended to summer, that will mean lockdown too, the torytard rightoids are finally taking covid seriously

leninhat on suicide watch.
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 No.86656

>>86644
I'm sure you'll love workers being taxed for it while the rich go on pilfering.

I feel more sorry for the 50+ people at my workplace who got sacked last year, but I guess lockdown fanatics don't care about anything except parliamentary point-scoring.
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 No.86660

>>86639
>Material fact based on what? In terms of duration, death toll and ecnomic plunder (mostly of India) the British Empire makes the USA look like amateurs.
You assert this, but offer not even a ballpark figure.
Duration, I confess, the British empire wins on - death toll and economic plunder however must surely go to the Americans once one correctly accounts for the fact that a colony is still a colony even if you don't put your flag on it.
>American imperialism is not really hidden
It is certainly hidden by comparison to the empires of old. Further, were it not hidden we would not be having this discussion.
>Whenever there is a revolution that does happen, like Vietnam or Korea
This misses the point: the British empire left gunboats behind even when there was not a revolution, not to suppress revolution but to project power.
Indeed, a partial argument can be made that revolutionary fervor was increased in Vietnam and Korea because they could correctly grasp that the problem was the Americans, as America maintained a substantial military presence in their country. (Both also having had recent experience being overtly colonized by France and Japan respectively.)
Consider the case of Venezuela. Something of a US colony pre-Chavez, the US felt no need to maintain a permanent military presence on the British model. The domestic Venezuelan military was given the responsibility of shooting protesters instead. Then in consequence Chavez primarily directed his energies against domestic elites in the early phase of his rule, even trying to reach out to the US in some instances, and with many US companies continuing to operate. Instead of the US using armed force to overthrow him and his successors, it has primarily relied on providing funding, aid, etc, to domestic challengers. All the while, the US has retained some capacity to plunder the country despite the opposition of the PSUV.
A gunboat could have kicked off a civil war, the outcome of which would be uncertain. Much easier, and more subtle, to leave everything as a "domestic" matter in "peacetime".
>The USA has shitloads of documented massacred.
And yet when you total up their official numbers, you find them to be lower than those of Britain. This is the entire justification for the idea that the British empire is worse, that we have progressed to a kinder and gentler phase of history now. But of course, it only holds if you trust the figures used by the Americans.
>It also happens in bourgeois states like Russia which are capitalist but not under American overlordship however.
That is absolutely true (although I would put the case that the starvation in the Russia of the 1990s is covered in American fingerprints.), but it must again be emphasised that if you correctly add together all of the deaths that have resulted from American actions, they will easily surpass those of the British empire, and in a world much better equipped to meet the needs of all who dwell within it to boot.
This is not because the British were kinder and gentler or any such reason as that - an empire is an empire - it is simply what the numbers show, a reflection of the greater capacities of modern means of subversion and control available to a 21st century empire compared to those of the 20th.
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 No.86662

getting sick of the flag box going back to "none" for no reason
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 No.86691

>>86594
>I am only "pro-Britain" in the sense of the country becoming a united socialist republic. In terms of the empire, the bourgeoisie, I want nothing but total destruction.
Based lad
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 No.86696

>>86656
None of that would have happened or even mattered if we had a government that took crisis's seriously and had social safety nets
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 No.86704

>>86696
Would you say we need a government of action to fight for working families?
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 No.86739

>>86696
this, its took them until now to even start sounding serious about it, a year of blundering and half-assed lockdowns that they can roll out with taglines like "boris saves xmas"
I think its confirmed cchq make decisions based on focus groups and lockdowns wern't popular with their boomerbase lapping up fedbook clickbait about 5g towers and bill gates being drakula so they did half-measures and renamed lockdown to "tiers"
I have to have weekly covid tests for work now but that only started recently.. why wasn't that rolled out a year ago?
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 No.86767

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me rn
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 No.86969

>>86660
>You assert this, but offer not even a ballpark figure.

I said 150 million, that seems fair. Low if anything.

>economic plunder however must surely go to the Americans


Britain took trillions of pounds from Indian plunder.

>It is certainly hidden by comparison to the empires of old. Further, were it not hidden we would not be having this discussion.


We're having the discussion because people feel the need to justify and apologise for British colonial rule compared to American imperialism. American imperialism is both old school plunder (Iraq, Libya, Syria) and using local stooges. But Britain also did both; look at the Princely Indian states. Or the legions of lackeys in Africa alongside gunboat theft in Hong Kong and a million other places.

>This is the entire justification for the idea that the British empire is worse, that we have progressed to a kinder and gentler phase of history now. But of course, it only holds if you trust the figures used by the Americans.


I consider it "worse" because it laid the groundwork for the USA and because it directly enriched those who rule me.

I also dislike kneejerk anti-Americanism. It's hegemonic, but not omnipotent.

>>86696
There's no crisis.
Watch the cretins in here support vaccine passports soon. I'll go to prison before that happens.
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 No.86990

>>86969
>I said 150 million
I was referring to an estimate for US casualties, not British ones.
>Britain took trillions of pounds from Indian plunder.
Consider that Apple - one company built quite transparently on imperial extraction - is worth $1 Trillion
That's not to say that Apple should immediately be considered a trillion dollars of imperialism, the various factors are more complex than that, but it's useful to remember just how large American capitalism is. One gets dramatic results by totaling up the figures, then nightmares by doing them year-on-year.
>We're having the discussion because people feel the need to justify and apologise for British colonial rule compared to American imperialism.
On the contrary, we are having the discussion because I have used a provocative summary to draw attention to my viewpoint by focusing on its most volatile implication. There remains but one post actively saying the empire was good.
It is one thing to have an empire with a few vassals, quite another to construct an entire empire by stealth.
>I consider it "worse" because it laid the groundwork for the USA and because it directly enriched those who rule me.
It would be a mistake to imagine those who rule you as "British capitalists" independent of "American capitalists", rather than seeing them as the rather intermingled group they are. After all, we now live in a world where even royalty will marry American. And yeah there was that king wot did it i know

Anyway this builds towards how I would frame things in a conciliatory mood: The US empire engaged in a hostile takeover of the British empire, gobbling up Britain as a vassal in the process. There is some value in regarding the two as contiguous, but to do so lazily risks falling into lazy "anti-anglo" tendencies rather than correctly recognizing that the US has brought to imperialism the same flash branding it brought to commerce and that when you strip it away, the slaughter has only gotten worse.
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 No.87153

>>86969
There either is or there isn't. Didn't Marx saying something about capitalism always being in crisis.
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 No.87163

Germs hold back the dialectic
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 No.87752

not saying it will happen but i'm screaming at the idea of sturgeon preparing massively for salmond to put forward this huge argument about the internal SNP conspiracy against him, etc, only for Salmond's evidence at the inquiry just being the relatively vanilla stuff that most directly obliges her to resign - that she learned of the investigation against him earlier than she told parliament, that he informed her the govt's investigation into him was illegal and that the govt still pressed ahead until its own lawyers threatened to resign, etc. - leading to sturgeon then facing an incredibly pointed line of questioning on those specific matters while having wasted all her preparation time pouring over the wider allegations of conspiracy currently in the public domain.
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 No.87834

Without being schizo retards: when can i realistically expect to go to a pub lads?
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 No.87842

Did britain ever do the craft union versus industrial unionism autism or is that mainly an American thing?
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 No.87843

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>>87163
Idk I’d say the Krauts actually pushed the dialectic along by destroying both their own empire and the British/French Empires with their global chimpouts

Also, for the jannies
I had to select this one fucking image fifteen times before it attached to the message, this is a frequent problem, what the fuck is wrong with your fucking site?
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 No.87849

>>87843
I'm talking about the bourgeois lie that is germ theory
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 No.87852

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>>87849
And I’m talking about the bourgeois disease that is the Germ
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 No.87853

>>87842
No, in part because british unions had cooperation between each other baked in from the start. The UK has a mixture between craft and industrial unionism: take say the Association of Flight Attendants vs say, Unite (both of whom, are TUC members). Traditionally, middle class professions were craft unionised (In part because a lot of them were independent contractors that would interact with companies on union rates: see Union of Musicians) and working class professions were industrial unions: NUM, USDAW, RMT etc. But there never was really a conflict between the two, in part because they were all housed under the TUC and in part because before the 1980s solidarity strikes were the done thing. So if say, the shop floor of an industry went on strike, chances are the related craft union elements would at-least show support for it, if not join it (this, btw, is how the famous "Made in Dagenham" strike that won the equal pay act worked, it wasn't just a strike of women but one that saw support throughout the labour movement, at-least on a grassroots level). But yeah, TL;DR: we have both, but they were always united in action so it didn't have much of an impact.
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 No.87950

occasionally, just occasionally, i think it would be good for an organization to crop up which ditches the entirety of heretofore existing analysis and starts again from scratch. no more cross-checking the reality to see how it accords with Marx, no more mangling of maoism to fit the financial sector, no more plugging up the holes in an argument with quotes from dead revolutionaries.
the essential truths of all heretofore existing theory will be rediscovered, but shorn of all those aesthetic and historical qualities which attract the wrong sorts of people, and of those factors which have been displaced by the advancement of history - no longer able to hide behind the beloved name of their author.

but there is nobody who has any interest in making this happen, not even i. it is just occasionally an interesting thought.
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 No.87953

>>87950
Aren’t you a noted British Imperialist?
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 No.87956

>>87953
no, but i hereby knight you "sir most consistently braindead poster on leftypol."
in so doing, you are released from the obligation you feel to reply to my posts.
arise, sir knight, arise and fuck off.
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 No.87963

>>87956
I don’t wanna be a knight tho
I wanna be a samurai
Samurai had cooler swords
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 No.88334

>#ForthBridgeDown trending on twitter
Hmm, interesting
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 No.88343

>>88334
looks like its just someobody threatening to jump
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 No.88344

>>87956
i second this, he is without a doubt the worst poster
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 No.88355

>>88343
my understanding is that Operation Forth Bridge is the code for Prince Philip doing a bit of the ol' dying
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 No.88362

>>88355
oh please god let it be true
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 No.88376

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>>88362
There is a picture floating around of a teary eyed Prince Charles leaving the hospital.
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 No.88394

>>87950
Hitherto
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 No.88419

>>88394
if i said hitherto it would make the reference to marx too clear, clashing with the theme of the post.
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 No.88420

He's dead lol
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 No.88427

>>88420
source you tease
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 No.88429

>>88427
no source from what ive seen
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 No.88609

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 No.88833

>>86990
>It is one thing to have an empire with a few vassals, quite another to construct an entire empire by stealth.
But it isn't done by stealth. The USA is just as brazen about it as Britain was.
>It would be a mistake to imagine those who rule you as "British capitalists" independent of "American capitalists", rather than seeing them as the rather intermingled group they are.
They have their own interests separate from American ones. Capitalists are still first and foremost divided into nationalities.
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 No.88878

>>88420
I hope so, want to kick off 2021 with some good news
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 No.88891

>>88833
>But it isn't done by stealth.
It absolutely is, otherwise half the world would be prefixed by "American", not just Samoa.
You cannot simultaneously claim that America had to stop being as brazen as Britain because the Soviets exposed their crimes, and that the US is as brazen as Britain ever was. This is not a tenable position.
>They have their own interests separate from American ones.
I defy you to name 5 meaningful examples where British capitalist interests have deviated from those of the US and been backed up by our government in their defiance.
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 No.88913

Gordon Brown is 70 today.
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 No.88914

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>>88913
i trust leftybritpol will join me in wishing a happy birthday to the greatest prime minister of the past 40+ years
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 No.88917

>>88891
>It absolutely is, otherwise half the world would be prefixed by "American", not just Samoa.
They're just called parts of NATO or the various Commands the US Army has.
>You cannot simultaneously claim that America had to stop being as brazen as Britain because the Soviets exposed their crimes, and that the US is as brazen as Britain ever was. This is not a tenable position.
They hide their crimes behind the mask of "democracy" but yeah America is as aggressive as Britain is. As soon the Warsaw Pact dissolved it started bombing countries with aplomb.

>I defy you to name 5 meaningful examples where British capitalist interests have deviated from those of the US and been backed up by our government in their defiance.

Suez
War of 1812
American Revolution
Venezuela-Guyana dispute in the 1890s
Arguably Vietnam
Oh and Britain leaving the EU (Obama wanted Britain to remain)
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 No.88924

>>88917
>They're just called parts of NATO or the various Commands the US Army has.
NATO states tend to be closer to vassals than colonies. The British Empire also had a series of global commands and squadrons, but that didn't mean it had colonized the entire planet.

>Suez

Well that went fucking swimmingly didn't it. (Govt buckled)
>War of 1812
You must surely be aware of how telling it is that you have to reach back 200 years for examples.
>American Revolution
We lost (Govt buckled)
>Venezuela-Guyana dispute in the 1890s
Ultimately a strategic defeat for Britain, accepting America gave the marching orders in Latin America. (Govt buckled)
>Arguably Vietnam
>Oh and Britain leaving the EU (Obama wanted Britain to remain)
Sure. but then we must either not give proletarians the credit for these, or ask why there's a cross-class alliance on these issues
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 No.88930

>>88924
>NATO states tend to be closer to vassals than colonies.
What is the meaningful difference? That they aren't settled by Americans? Most British colonies including India weren't either, only a few like Australia and Canada, most of Africa wasn't settled by Britons.
>Govt buckled
You only asked for examples. Naturally America is a much more powerful state than Britain owing to its superior size and economy.
>reach back 200 years
A blip in the ocean of history, Britain and America have been rivals for most of history. Even in the 1920s a war between the two seemed possible.
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 No.88957

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 No.88979

New thread come on lads. May I suggest we wage war on the nonce menace again?
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 No.89003

>>88930
>What is the meaningful difference?
A vassal has a much higher degree of autonomy, typically allied on foreign policy but with a somewhat free hand to run their own economy. A colony on the other hand exists primarily to be plundered for resources.
As time went on, most British settler colonies became closer to vassals than to colonies proper.
>You only asked for examples.
Examples where the government backed them - i.e. it did not buckle to US pressure.
>A blip in the ocean of history, Britain and America have been rivals for most of history
We do not live in most of history, we live in the present day. An anglo-american war in 1920 was possible, a war in 2020 all but impossible. We would not dismiss elements of Franco-German collaboration in the European Union on the grounds that France and Germany have been rivals since the days of HRE Charles V.

Since Suez the British government has been the American government's bitch. The avoidance of Vietnam and withdrawal from the EU (something that was essentially against the then-government's will) can hardly make up for capitulation after capitulation after capitulation. Surrender at Suez, on Skybolt, on our space program, on Cyprus, on the IMF loan, rules being written specifically to nobble Concorde, the humiliating farce of a crown colony being invaded without notifying us first, and so on and so on. The French at least made sport of it: the occasional withdrawal from NATO structures or booting out of US troops. Britain has been cowardly and subservient. We have not been rivals because our leaders are unwilling to put up some resistance - not even a fight, just a bit of awkwardness.
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 No.89037

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The Anglo historians that wrote this book should be fucking beheaded
These cunts unironically call leftists convincing soldiers not to waste their lives in the Great Imperialist War “sinister”
Anglo libs are literally less than human holy fuck
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 No.89059

>>89037
Looks like text is from burgerland.
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 No.89061

>>89059
DK Publishing is a British publishing company
You lose again
Just because it’s sycophantic to America doesn’t mean it wasn’t written by the biggest US dicksuckers around
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 No.89066

>>89061
it may surprise you to learn that publishers do not write books: they publish them. authors write books.
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 No.89067

>>89061
What's your fucking point? Penguin publishes Mein Kampf.

Who authored it dipshit? Looks like it was written by a burger.
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 No.89072

>>89066
>>89067
It’s an Anglo-American coordinated product
The real question is why you fucking faggots get so angry whenever someone says the word “Anglo” and you’re seething so fucking hard you ignored the sickening anti-communist propaganda I posted

Chauvinist dogs
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 No.89073

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>>89067
>Penguin publishes Mein Kampf
Pingu if he Antisemitic
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 No.89076

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>>89072
nobody here cares when people say anglo. we do not consider ourselves to be anglos, we are celts.
i have repeatedly spoken of the necessity of the native celts of these isles to rise up and exterminate their anglo saxon and norman conquerors so that we might return our homeland to celtic-britonnic ownership, and many agree with me.
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 No.89081

(for any anglo-saxons or normans who may be lurking: take note that we do not by celtic simply refer to the scots, irish, welsh, and other nations which remain conscious of their essential celtic nature - we also include the lands today known as england, which is to say the Brittonic lands outwith wales. the name "england" may have displeasing etymology, but the land to which it refers is essentially celtic land. the land of the martyr Boudica, the proud and betrayed kingdom of Rheged, and of course Kernow, which will be restored to her rightful independence - as all of Britonnic england shall be.)

drive the anglo back into the sea!
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 No.89084

>>89037
>>89061
>>89072
I have a challenge for you: think (this is where you use the brain to map things out before you type them) about your next post and try bring something of value. It can be as little value as possible as long as it is somewhat novel or interesting. Can you do it?
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 No.89090

>>89003
>We do not live in most of history, we live in the present day. An anglo-american war in 1920 was possible, a war in 2020 all but impossible. We would not dismiss elements of Franco-German collaboration in the European Union on the grounds that France and Germany have been rivals since the days of HRE Charles V.

France and Germany have fought 3 massive wars in the past 150 years, they're still somewhat rivals today. Germany does hold the upper hand still today, the expansion of the EU since 2004 has massively benefitted it. That is why France under Macron is becoming more belligerent.

>Examples where the government backed them - i.e. it did not buckle to US pressure.


Never going to happen to that extend because it would've meant an unwinnable war and our rulers aren't so stupid.

>Since Suez the British government has been the American government's bitch. The avoidance of Vietnam and withdrawal from the EU (something that was essentially against the then-government's will) can hardly make up for capitulation after capitulation after capitulation. Surrender at Suez, on Skybolt, on our space program, on Cyprus, on the IMF loan, rules being written specifically to nobble Concorde, the humiliating farce of a crown colony being invaded without notifying us first, and so on and so on. The French at least made sport of it: the occasional withdrawal from NATO structures or booting out of US troops. Britain has been cowardly and subservient. We have not been rivals because our leaders are unwilling to put up some resistance - not even a fight, just a bit of awkwardness.


This is what I mean by social chauvinism. You attribute Britain's decline to moral and ethical issues of conviction rather than the economic surpassing of Britain by the USA since the early 20th century and act that if Britain had a socialist nationalist government everything would be already. I'm glad the British bourgeoisie no longer rule the world and got its shit kicked in at Suez, even if American imperialists did support it. Anything that weakens their power only helps us.
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 No.89095

>>88914
legit. Happy Birthday Gordon, shame you got given shit end of the stick but what I wouldn't give to have you at the helm right now.
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 No.89097

>>89090
>You attribute Britain's decline to moral and ethical issues of conviction rather than the economic surpassing of Britain by the USA since the early 20th century and act that if Britain had a socialist nationalist government everything would be already [already what?]
No, as always you project.
It is not a moral or ethical stance, it is an empirical one: The French - who are in the same weight class as Britain in economic terms - are far more awkward partners than the British are.

The fundamental thing you do not want to accept is that no weakening of the power standing against us has occurred as a result of the US's usurping of the British empire. It does not matter whether a cat is black or white when it wishes to tear your throat out.
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 No.89102

>>89072
It is sick, you don't need to point that out on a left-wing board. It also doesn't stop people from pointing out that you are illiterate.
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 No.89104

>>89081
Daily reminder that anglo saxon genes barely present in the population of the UK
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 No.89105

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>>89104
alas the people live in false consciousness
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 No.89111

>>89105
Based Leicester?
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 No.89224

>>89111>>89105

Interested to hear this know it has a high immigrant population and the most "british" place in the UK: lots of irish maybe?
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 No.89283

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Wondering what people's thoughts on YCL/CPB and Red Fightback are, I'm deciding which to join. Red Fightback seem to have a better line than the CPB with the CPB's British Road to Socialism seeming quite revisionist (https://redfightback.org/roadtonowhere/ ). However the CPB & YCL have more of an actual presence with Red Fightback being largely online plus having some radlib sounding views, pic related.

Are there any good communist parties in the UK to join?
>inb4 join the carpet merchants
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 No.89298

>>89283
parties are universally a waste of time, join a tenants union or similar org.
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 No.89327

>>89283
They both suck and have zero presence. Join YCL, make some friends, lift, discuss theory intensely, criticise all that exists and think about what you can do to help create solidarity in your area (it'll likely involve joining acorn).

For actual political action, this >>89298.
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 No.89395

https://twitter.com/DanVevers/status/1363486130528780289
two big shocks in one day:
1. the sun doing actual journalism
2. Sturgeon probably knew about the allegations against salmond even earlier than the date she's already lied to parliament about, leading to some last minute editing of the scottish govts procedures to try and keep her hands clean
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 No.89403

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 No.89462

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Well, little lady, let me elucidate here
Everybody wants to be a Brit
Because a Brit’s the only git
Who knows how to hit
Tell me, everybody's pickin' up on that Anglo beat
'Cause everything else is obsolete
A square with a horn makes you wish you weren't born
Every time he plays
But with a square in the act
You can set music back
To the cave man days, cha-cha-ba-dum-bo-day
I've heard some corny birds who who tried to sing
Still a Brit’s the only git who knows how to swing
Who wants to dig a long-haired gig or stuff like that?
When everybody wants to be a Brit
A square with a horn makes you wish you weren't born
Every time he plays
Oh, a rinky-tinky-tinky
With a square in the act you can set music back
To the cave man days
Oh, a rinky-tinky-tinky
Yes, everybody wants to be a Brit
Because a Brit’s the only git who knows how to hit
When playin' jazz you always has a dancing tit
'Cause everybody digs a swinging Brit
Everybody, everybody, everybody wants to be a Brit
Hallelujah!
Everybody, everybody, everybody wants to be a Brit
Everybody, everybody, everybody wants to be a Brit
Everybody, everybody
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 No.89481

>>89403
The fuck is this cat impersonator up to?
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 No.89482

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>>89462
So you left your name on like a retard. You're an incel? It all makes sense now.
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 No.89511

>>89482
What tipped you off? Was it the incel flag?
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 No.89528

>>89481
possibly just bandwagon jumping since Andrew Neil and co. are pressing on the same question and he thinks he can use it as a springboard for his quixotic quest for a seat at Holyrood

although Galloway claims to be friends with Salmond and defended him in 2020: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/483968-george-galloway-alex-salmond/ so he could equally actually be personally invested in the case and appalled at the way the SNP spin machine is behaving.
(The complainers against Salmond are protected by anonymity - so the question arises, how did the BBC get an interview where one was allowed to make an emotive argument against a conspiracy and against the committee investigating whether Sturgeon lied to parliament? If the woman came forward - fair enough, if the BBC new her name that raises the question of who leaked it, and if the SNP sent the woman to the BBC then there should be hell to pay in both organisations.)
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 No.89533

>>89511
It was actually when he started screaming, waiting for a post and instantly responding, calling every incel-critiquer a lib and 'faggot dog'. A very subtle tell, I know
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 No.89578

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robin hood if he real
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 No.89590

>>89578
Oo-duh-loli!
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 No.89836

>>89462
You all might think that this is a high effort post that fell flat on its face but this next level content. Ameri-bro waited until somebody posted the living cat George Galloway, revealing his deep appreciation and understanding of British politics.
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 No.90003

feeling visceral disgust at yank gun culture again
we really are better than them
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 No.90029

>>89590
I'd ood a loli if you know what I mean
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 No.90128

>>90029
nonces out
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 No.90206

wish this thread was faster so i could post in other threads less

other threads suck.
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 No.90245

>>89097
>No, as always you project.
Projecting what? I have no investment in the power struggles of the British bourgeoisie.
>It is not a moral or ethical stance, it is an empirical one: The French - who are in the same weight class as Britain in economic terms - are far more awkward partners than the British are.
The USA and France have been allied on almost every issue since WW1, and much further back than that.
>The fundamental thing you do not want to accept is that no weakening of the power standing against us has occurred as a result of the US's usurping of the British empire. It does not matter whether a cat is black or white when it wishes to tear your throat out.
The British bourgeoisie are much weaker today than they were in 1945.
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 No.90251

>>89283
Joke parties. CPB/YCL are a Labour shilling cult.
I'm trying to find more info out about CPB-ML, RCPBML, CPGB-PCC and NCP.
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 No.90277

>>90245
>Projecting what?
You project a moralistic stance onto others.
>The USA and France have been allied on almost every issue since WW1
Except for example the question of a genuinely independent French nuclear deterrent, one that lead France to withdraw France from NATO military command in 1966.
Meanwhile the yanks spat in our faces on Skybolt and we agreed to look past it in exchange for Polaris and subsequently Trident, both of which we insist to ourselves are very much independent. (So long as we remain a vassal…)
>The British bourgeoisie are much weaker today than they were in 1945.
And the American bourgeoisie much stronger, both globally, in our region, and indeed in our country. In 1945 the world had the mid atlantic accent, today US investment in the UK is equal to about 1/4 of our total GDP.

Fun trivia: the UK and Ireland are the two countries where McDonalds doesn't franchise most of its restaurants or operate with a local partner corporation, it owns them directly.
Which is to say that for the British proletarians working in McDonalds, the hell of capitalism is the firm - and the firm is based in San Bernardino, California. It is of hollow consolation to them that the local local Bourgeoisie's J. Lyons and Co's Wimpy franchise slipped beneath the waves.
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 No.90350

>>90277
>You project a moralistic stance onto others.
Nope, I'm an economic and political realist. Britain just became more indebted to the USA than France did because of WW2 and owing to cultural ties it was easier to dominate.
>Except for example the question of a genuinely independent French nuclear deterrent, one that lead France to withdraw France from NATO military command in 1966.
France is back in NATO now and is no more independent than Britain is. And it would've sided with NATO if it attacked the Warsaw Pact.
>Meanwhile the yanks spat in our faces on Skybolt and we agreed to look past it in exchange for Polaris and subsequently Trident, both of which we insist to ourselves are very much independent. (So long as we remain a vassal…)
So you want the British bourgeoisie to have their own "independent" nuclear system?
>And the American bourgeoisie much stronger, both globally, in our region, and indeed in our country. In 1945 the world had the mid atlantic accent, today US investment in the UK is equal to about 1/4 of our total GDP.
>Fun trivia: the UK and Ireland are the two countries where McDonalds doesn't franchise most of its restaurants or operate with a local partner corporation, it owns them directly.
British companies have invested over $560 billion in the USA. More than 1.25 million Americans work for British companies in America. It is not a one-way street.
https://www.uschamber.com/international/europe/us-uk-business-council/us-uk-trade-and-investment-ties
Also FDI has been declining thanks to Britain voting to leave the EU. Blaming American capitalists for the woe imposed by British capitalists will not fly with me.
>It is of hollow consolation to them that the local local Bourgeoisie's J. Lyons and Co's Wimpy franchise slipped beneath the waves.
That's the nature of capitalism. Plenty more small British businesses have been swallowed up by British capitalists. And frankly in many regards the USA as a country is preferable in many ways to Britain; it has no aristocracy, no monarchy, it is the capitalist nation par excellence.
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 No.90364

>>90206
I hate everything about this board except for this thread and really niche other threads. I also hate this thread when its time for the monthly scotland struggle session.
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 No.90373

>>90277
>genuinely independent French nuclear deterrent
The UKs nuclear dependent being so linked to America is actually now a part of the UKs MAD strategy. The UK has realised that if it launches a missile that its impossible to distinguish it from an American launch due to it being the same platform thus meaning the government operates under the understanding that if it wants to use nuclear weapons America will be forced to join in. They're functionally independent for the sake of if we wanted to nuke someone or seize them during the establishment of the USRGB except that we also get to drag America into any annihilation we start.
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 No.90388

>>90350
>I'm an economic and political realist.
It is a funny kind of realist who wails and moans at the crimes of imperialism instead of getting out his abacus.
>France is back in NATO now and is no more independent than Britain is.
We conspicuously dodge that France kept out of the Iraq affair. Iraq is an inch more independent than Britain - and some can fit quite a lot in an inch.
>So you want the British bourgeoisie to have their own "independent" nuclear system?
I would prefer it to one held by the yanks for various reasons, some of which you would like and others you would not - but I actually exorcised a paragraph on Labour's failure to scrap Polaris despite having a manifesto mandate to do so because it quickly spirals into a different discussion altogether. (Namely, capitalist UK as a US vassal with American nukes vs Capitalist UK as a US vassal with no nukes. Personally, although I believe it would be more expensive, I think Labour would've been wiser to kill Polaris.)
>British companies have invested over $560 billion in the USA. More than 1.25 million Americans work for British companies in America. It is not a one-way street.
I did not say it was: The case I have been making this entire time is one of integration.
Your mistake - ironically the one you accuse me of - is to be trapped in the nationalist mindset of 1945 - a world of propeller planes and ocean liners. "Either he is a British capitalist or an American capitalist", where there is a clear and clean-cut "domestic bourgeoisie" and a class of "British capitalists". If I may use plagarism to add some flair:
You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Americans. There are no British. There are no first worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.

Our enemy is not "British capitalists", it is the capitalists who own and operate Britain - whether they reside in Canary Wharf or California, whether they are founder or shareholder.
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 No.90393

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A picture tells a thousand words
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 No.90410

>>90003
Kind of jealous sometimes though, would be nice to get to shoot and own guns but then I also like not being shot in the face which all balances out. A gun culture less american but still with guns would be nice.
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 No.90412

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>>90029
>Ood a loli
wdbmbt?
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 No.90418

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salmond submission just dropped
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 No.90421

>>90410
Broke: US Gun Culture
Joke: UK Gun Law
Woke: Serbian Gun Culture & Law
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 No.90427

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>Despite her protestations to the contrary the Permanent Secretary was chiefly responsible for the pursuit of an unlawful policy which has cost the Scottish people millions of pounds.
>In her letter of 21st June 2018 to Levy and McRae she describes the policy as “established by me”. She claimed ownership of it then, but not now. When asked at the Committee she said “there seems to have come into being a tradition of calling it my procedure. It is not; it is a Scottish Government procedure and one that has been agreed by Cabinet..”
>In fact, this procedure was never even seen by Cabinet or Parliament. It was established by Ms Evans. In her presentations before the Committee,the Permanent Secretary still seems oblivious to the scale of the disaster she has inflicted on all concerned or the enormity of the misjudgements she has made.
>The view that she should have resigned on 8th January 2019, the day that Lord Pentland’s interlocutor judged the policy Ms Evans establishedand the actions taken as “unlawful”, “unfair” and “tainted by apparent bias” is widely shared not least by Cabinet Ministers.The damage she has done to the reputation of the civil service is very significant. In my view, any person conscious of the responsibility of holding high office would have resigned long ago. Instead Ms Evans’ contract was extended.
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 No.90428

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>The documents which demonstrated this to be false had to be extracted from the Government by a Commission and Diligence procedure under the authority of the court as granted by Lord Pentland.
>The documents then produced under that procedure emerged despite the Government being willing to certify to the Court that these documents simply did not exist.
>At the Commission itself,Senior Counsel for the Government(himself blameless for the debacle)felt compelled to apologise to the court repeatedly as new batches of documents emerged.
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 No.90438

>>90427
>>90428
Translation si vous plait
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 No.90445

>>90438
I just can't read the thick separate language that is scots.
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 No.90449

>>90428
Do British people like music?
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 No.90459

>>90438
1. Mrs. Evans designed an illegal policy (about harassment, which started the Scottish govts initial investigation into Salmond), was responsible for implementing said policy, took full responsibility for it when talking to Salmond's lawyers, then told the inquiry that it was cabinet's policy not hers.
When Salmond sued the govt the court agreed with him that the policy was illegal and unfair, which cost the public a lot of money. Salmond claims that many people including Scottish cabinet ministers are of the view that she should've resigned or she should've been made to resign - instead her contract was extended.

2. The govt lied about the nature of the contact between the person investigating salmond and the women who made complaints against him, which took place prior to the official investigation. The policy itself clearly stated that it should be a person who had no prior contact, so the govt lied and said it was just a general welfare checkup.
The govt had to be forced by the courts to produce documents demonstrating that the claim it was a welfare checkup was not true, despite the fact the govt was willing to certify to the court that no such documents existed.
This is a fuck up so bad that the government's lawyer had to apologise to the court several times as documents the govt claimed did not exist kept appearing.
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 No.90461

anyway i've just hit the good bit:
>The question of ‘conspiracy’
>It has been a matter of considerable public interest whether there was ‘a conspiracy’. I have never adopted the term but note that the Cambridge English Dictionary defines it as ‘the activity of secretly planning with other peopleto do something bad or illegal.’ I leave to others the question of what is, or is not, a conspiracy but am very clear in my position that the evidence supports a deliberate, prolonged, malicious and concerted effort amongst a range of individuals within the Scottish Government and the SNP to damage my reputation, even to the extent of having me imprisoned.

>That includes, for the avoidance of doubt, Peter Murrell (Chief Executive), Ian McCann (Compliance officer) and Sue Ruddick (Chief Operating Officer) of the SNP together with Liz Lloyd, the First Minister’s Chief of Staff. There are others who, for legal reasons, I am not allowed to name.


>The most obvious and compelling evidence of such conduct is contained within the material crown office refuses to release. That decision is frankly disgraceful. Refusing to allow the Committee to see that material both denies me the opportunity to put the full truth before the Committee and the public, and makes it impossible for the Committee to complete its task on a full sight of the relevant material. The only beneficiaries of that decision to withhold evidence are those involved in conduct designed to damage (and indeed imprison) me.
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 No.90467

I would highly suggest you read the 2nd PDF yourself (final submission, not ministerial code) but the whole thing's coming together now:
The Scottish govt was going to lose the case against Salmond in the civil courts (which a lot of people feared would cost them their jobs, because it really was a colossal fuckup), so (as far as I can gather, against the wishes of one or both of the women who complained about him under the govt's procedure) they reported the allegations to the police in the hopes that the whole thing would be paused while the criminal case played out - since nobody would care if the govt was a little bit biased in investigating him if he was being sent to jail for being a chronic sex offender.

Then the SNP started sending out e-mails asking other people to come forward. They've already admitted to e-mails sent to the entire SNP (which got no responses), but they didn't tell the inquiry about e-mails that were sent out to only a selection of SNP representatives. (Ones we can infer were more likely to make a complaint.), which some people felt was an obvious witch-hunt and reported to Salmond.

In Salmond's own summary
>The Judicial Review cannot be viewed in isolation. The effect of it, and its likely result of a defeat for the Scottish Government led to the need to escalate these matters to the police, even if that meant doing so entirely against the wishes of the two women who had raised concerns. The Permanent Secretary’s “we’ve lost the battle but notthe war” message of January 8th 2019 to Ms Allison whilst on holiday in the Maldives is not (as she tried to claim) a general appeal for equality but rather shows her knowledge that there were further proceedings to come and her confidence that the criminal procedure would render such a loss in the Court of Session irrelevant. I note in passing, that such language is, in any event, totally incompatible with the role of a professional civil servant

This is thick of it tier stuff.
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 No.90484

File: 1614026651869.png (371.76 KB, 755x2432, Salmond Summary 2.png)

what i said was "in salmond's own summary" was, in fact, not in his summary, as i've just hit the bit where he actually gives a summary.
as a courtesy i've made the actual summary into a screenshot and highlighted some interesting bits.
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 No.90488

Christ, how the fuck did I miss this shit when it was on?

https://twitter.com/A_Hess/status/1361326309117411331
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 No.90492

>>90488
The 2000's was absolutely riddled with shit like this. Chav demonization, poverty shaming, shaming people being disabled, hell, Little Britain was basically a 30 minute weekly public humiliation of everyone disadvantaged in society. Then they wonder what could have possibly caused the 2011 riots.
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 No.90495

>>90492
>what could have possibly caused the 2011 riots.
bad upbringing, lack of discipline, bring back the cane (and hanging)
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 No.90497

>>90492
>Little Britain was basically a 30 minute weekly public humiliation of everyone disadvantaged in society.
And to think I use to actually like watching it (At least the first series, even at the time I thought that series 2 onwards was rubbish)
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 No.90498

>>90497
Everyone did, even the people it was mocking.Its only hindsight we realise how bad it actually was. It'll probably be the same for COVID, right now it doesn't *feel* like the apocalypse, but more people have died from COVID than died in the Harrying of the North.
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 No.90571

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/22/ex-labour-staffer-goes-to-court-to-try-to-identify-leaker-of-antisemitism-report
Poor Emilie "Smelly Cow*" Oldknow, nobody deserves to have *checks notes* their own words used to smear them by *checks notes* letting slip what they did.

*she said this about someone else, I am not saying she smells bad. personally i suspect she smells like seawater, in keeping with her being a spineless treacherous leech.
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 No.90584

>>90498
Not proportionately, don't let the norman SCUM get away with downplaying the harrying of the north.
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 No.90590

>>90497
Dont like the message, doesnt mean it aint funny tho
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 No.90690

>>90251
1, 2, 4 are moribund and 3 is the name of a gossip column.
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 No.90694

>>90690
>3 is the name of a gossip column.
Kek, what?
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 No.90938

>>89081
Things change.
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 No.90968

File: 1614076036957.jpg (156.58 KB, 594x596, loonyworld.jpg)

they are fucking DESPERATE
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 No.90982

Very interesting that The Guardian hasn't said anything about Salmond's accusations but is now reporting the fact that there are concerns over his submission.

The BBC, ITV, Sky News, plus most other major newspapers (Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times, Financial Times, Express, The Scotsman, Scottish Daily Record, and probably more other Scottish ones I've never heard of, etc…) have all seen fit to report the outline of Salmond's submission but The Guardian has not.

Incompetence or laziness?
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 No.90983

>>90982
Conspiracy.
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 No.90986

File: 1614077984447.png (41.57 KB, 983x492, ClipboardImage.png)

aaaaaaaaaaa
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 No.90987

>>90982
>Incompetence or laziness?
*Incompetence, malice, or laziness.

>>90983
I wouldn't be surprised. The only thing I couldn't understand is: to what end? Everyone else has published it and everyone else writes more or less the same story with the same quotes. Do they really think they can keep Guardian reading liberals in the dark by keeping it off that one site?

Perhaps they do - this is the sort of case where you should assume bad faith - but the only alternative I could think of is that they neglected to write anything last night and are now afraid to do so after the court order. Which also fails to stand up to scrutiny considering every other paper got something out last night.
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 No.90988

>>90987
Tbf it might also be a case of "we believe the women and reporting this is shitting on them", conspiracy is a technical term for that but it is a principled stance.
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 No.90996

>>90988
I've read his submissions and he makes no accusations against the women - nothing in his entire submission says or directly implies that they lied. only that the SNP tried to get them to come forward for self interested reasons.
The only way The Guardian could hide behind such a stance would be to willfully not read the relevant documents because it has pre-judged that they will attack or name the women, which would be a shameful abrogation of journalistic duty in the name of petty personal moralism. (actually considering the nature of Guardian liberals, maybe you've got a point…)

Unless you mean in a more general "some women have already complained about the media circus and we don't want to be part of it" kind of stance, which if anything would be even worse. It would be putting the interests of a small number of women above the wider interest of the Scottish public. No amount of personal anguish felt by a small number of people could possibly outweigh the seriousness of the accusation of a complete breakdown in the barriers between government, political party and justice system by someone who once lead that government, that is a massive, massive story on a matter that affects everyone living in Scotland and which could presumably even warrant Westminster intervention, and if the Guardian has principles that override that in the name of making a few individuals feel better then it really ought to give up pretending to be a newspaper at all.
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 No.91007

File: 1614081205841.png (22.99 KB, 649x215, Redactions.png)

lel
so many people have a .pdf copy that it will make whatever they're trying to hide substantially more conspicuous.
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 No.91011

>>91007
Including the media lol. It's not even an injunction so they can still publish it all.
Also
>Inb4 Bunkerchan gets a cease and desist from the SNP this time
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 No.91020

>>91011
supposedly the part they've pulled is the part where they detail how Sturgeon lied to parliament (i.e. the part that the spectator and wings over scotland published ages ago, the part that, if it was really illegal, would've seen them both sued.)
this is an absolute farce
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 No.91022

>>90968
>Crown office asks Holyrood to remove Salmond submission from website over court order concerns
I don't get it

>>91011
>>Inb4 Bunkerchan gets a cease and desist from the SNP this time
lel
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 No.91027

>>91022
basically: the office responsible for prosecutions in scotland has asked the parliament to take salmond's evidence offline, purportedly because it could identify one of the women who complained against him as a complainer against him.* (which is against a court order protecting their anonymity.)

the number of people who believe that it's out of genuine concern for someone's anonymity (especially in the face of the fact that it's the submission about sturgeon lying to parliament rather than the submission about the internal investigation into him) is close to zero.
much more likely is that they want to butcher the evidence so that (a) salmond doesn't appear at all, or (b) the committee can't ask him and sturgeon questions about some of his claims. (which again, are about sturgeon lying to parliament about when she first learned of complaints against him. not about the women, not about a wider conspiracy, just about sturgeon lying about a meeting.)
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 No.91042

File: 1614085082681.pdf (903.33 KB, 67x118, Alex_Salmond_(5)_(further_….pdf)

it's up
and holy fucking shit
they butcher his statement.
it has completely stripped the details about Sturgeon learning of the complaints against Salmond on the 29th in a meeting with Geoff Aberdein, not the 2nd of April as she told parliament. this is information already published by The Spectator.

they even cut out the line:
30. The First Minister told Parliament (see Official Report of 8th,10th & 17th January 2019) that she first learned of the complaints against me when I visited her home on 2nd April 2018. That is untrue and is a breach of the Ministerial Code.
this? this line here risks identifying a woman who complained against salmond as a complainer against salmond?!
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 No.91254

>>91042
Scottish NAZI party strikes again.
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 No.91266

Fucking hell, you lot heard about the Liverpool Mayoral selection for Labour?
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 No.91283

>>89224
Is it not using Hallstatt celt genes which leads to counterintuitive results?
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 No.91291

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 No.91347

>>91283
>>91291
Basically, labour said they'd reinterview all of the three candidates just before they were meant to be voted on, then has said they are starting from scratch, and that the original three shouldn't reapply. Now any new candidates have got until thursday to get their papers in and the selection will end just a month before polling day.
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 No.91582

File: 1614111908103.jpg (40.75 KB, 750x282, Eu2f0CsXYAc89gA.jpg)

dangerously based keir starmer sticking it to the labour aristocrats and singular they opponents
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 No.91721

>>91582
Fucking hell man.
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 No.91722

>>91582
Wow strike breaker starmer Jesus Christ what a scab
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 No.91796

>>91347
Shouldn't reapply as in telling them to get fucked or shouldn't reapply as in they don't need to go through the process again?
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 No.91815

>>91582
On one hand now that the vulnerable are vaccinated kids need back in school before the gulf between the wealthy who can provide good home schooling environments and the lower ends of the working class gets even more massive.
On the other hand, how fucking shit do you have to be to tell people to use their personal holidays for work.
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 No.91818

>>91796
Telling them to get fucked/
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 No.91821

>>91818
What a joke.
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 No.91927

File: 1614125066185.png (26.23 KB, 266x580, ClipboardImage.png)

Anyone explain to me why the Lib Dems ran Liverpool in the 00s?
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 No.91946

>>91582
kek, I am not surprised, like I am long enough in the tooth to almost just accept the status quo is going to stay until the whole thing collapses, Corbyn wasn't even that different, he would have been seen as centre-left at best 30 years ago but you had Murdoch papers calling him a Marxist terror.

BUT holy shit, Keirrrrrrrr stoomer could at least pretend to be opposition, Blair won by a landslide by giving false new hope after an awful tory period, fucking stoomer can't even bring himself to say handcock should be sacked.

as things stand I will be back to not vooooting for a while, if nicky G was about and he rolled out his 2010 manifesto i'd prob vote for that and become one of his armed militias of his paedo Alcatraz off Cornwall
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 No.91949

>>91927
trying to grab seats off labour from the backlash for Blair and the Iraq war…. loldems are liberal opportunists
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 No.91950

>>91927
my guess would be that their policies were more attractive than Blairite Labour and that the Liberal base in Liverpool is stronger than it seems (The non-Lib-Dems continuing Liberal party from 1989 is HQ'd in Liverpool and a lot of their reps came from there )
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 No.92242

https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/1364275336112992262
might be big news might be nothing
Tribune in a legal case, possibly libel related.
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 No.92252

File: 1614155291295.jpg (93.19 KB, 610x458, 20140522-bloomy-rind-brie.jpg)

>>92242
might be brie beach.
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 No.92314

>>91582
Lmao, telling teachers to give up the only benefit of their jobs
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 No.92324

>>91946
>if nicky G was about and he rolled out his 2010 manifesto i'd prob vote for that and become one of his armed militias of his paedo Alcatraz off Cornwall
Excuse me??
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 No.92436

File: 1614175571530.jpg (787.83 KB, 2527x3367, follow-me-nigga-i-got-yo-i….jpg)

Historically the Labour Party is nothing but controlled opposition. change my mind.
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 No.92438

File: 1614175809240.png (400.62 KB, 514x578, ClipboardImage.png)

>>92436
laughs in almost got coup'd twice
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 No.92444

File: 1614176321981.png (49.83 KB, 259x194, ClipboardImage.png)

>>92438
<laughs in pure liberalism
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 No.92447

>>92444
>Ramsay MacDonald existing discounts the fact that the bourgeoisie and royalty tried to coup a labour government
Inderesdng lodgik
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 No.92450

>>92447
People like Ramsey shows well that the labour party exists just to co-opt worker/popilar movements, retard.
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 No.92612

>>92450
only on /leftypol/ would think he could trump an example from 1968/74 with an example from 1931.
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 No.92615

>>92612
somebody is missing from this post :^)
in more ways than one
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 No.92651

>>92450
Was he coopting when he was the only major party leader to oppose WWI lol. Or when he was one of the first european leaders to establish relations with the USSR?
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 No.92665

>>92651
>opposing WW1
removes the conditions for the Russian revolution, slows the dialectic
>establishing relations with the USSR
the workers clearly wished to JOIN it.
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 No.92864

Sturgeon using her COVID briefing today to attack Salmond.
How in the fuck they can square that with a duty to impartiality I will never understand.
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 No.92902

>>92864
It's gonna get worse during Purdah too: she is gonna have a bully pulpit while the opposition can't even campaign.
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 No.92961

Wathing Novara and want to die. Ellie O hagan (Dummy) saying the left is doing better now than in the 70's and 80's because the soviet union doesn't exist.
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 No.92970

>>92961
Were there at least some entertaining responses?
Also
>what is the miner's strike?
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 No.92975

>>92970
No and now she's appealing to biden to show the left is ascendant.
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 No.92985

>>92975
Hope the virus adapts to the half dose tbh
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 No.93778

File: 1614249969481.png (454.65 KB, 693x430, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.93787

File: 1614250412423.jpg (30.54 KB, 304x425, based department.jpg)

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 No.93797

File: 1614251526647.png (369.36 KB, 571x408, ClipboardImage.png)

lol they're not retards though, how very dare you sir!
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 No.93798

>>93797
Another result of the americanisation of this country.
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 No.93880

File: 1614255191388.png (766.01 KB, 1582x892, ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.93892

>>93880
Suprised there is so little report for just holding a referendum.
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 No.93894

>>93797
>>93797
The public are retards, which is why they are good.
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 No.93897

File: 1614256117196.jpg (51.35 KB, 941x529, EvEmZICWgAoeL4U.jpg)

fun times ahead
(look at the dates, this sample is before salmond's submission was published and ineptly censored, which is when it actually got media coverage)
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 No.94166

File: 1614268287853-0.png (21.57 KB, 870x163, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1614268287853-1.png (43.88 KB, 867x257, ClipboardImage.png)

Leader of the Clownosition.
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 No.94171

>>94166
Finally, some opposition to the government :^)
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 No.94188

>>94166
prediction: the line will be "our hardworking businesses don't need a tax rise when they're already struggling!"
reality: you don't pay corporation tax if you're making a loss, even within a purely neoliberal worldview that generally favours low taxes it's a sensible short term measure of having companies that are doing well out of covid pay more to offset the costs that have arisen from it.
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 No.94259

File: 1614274082487.png (17.11 KB, 710x191, ClipboardImage.png)

hmmm
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 No.94266

File: 1614274700453.jpg (40.76 KB, 640x960, keir_starmer_libdem.jpg)

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 No.94269

File: 1614274962053.jpg (57.15 KB, 485x502, f94d3744b7fe4f06e22c00faef….jpg)

>>94259
>9. Chef
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 No.94271

>>94259
#5: Surgeon
That is both terrifying and fascinating. I wanna watch a docu on this specifically.
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 No.94272

>>94266
BASED

As a lifelong Lib dem voter I have been considering if voting for Starmer is worthwhile next election
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 No.94474

>>94272
we should have a lib dem flag added for the bants tbh
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 No.94539

>>90388
>It is a funny kind of realist who wails and moans at the crimes of imperialism instead of getting out his abacus.
The abacus tells me the British Empire was worse.
>We conspicuously dodge that France kept out of the Iraq affair. Iraq is an inch more independent than Britain - and some can fit quite a lot in an inch.
France invaded Afghanistan, bombed Libya and Syria along with the USA. It fought socialist Vietnam while Britain didn't. Not much difference really.
>I would prefer it to one held by the yanks for various reasons, some of which you would like and others you would not
I don't want my labour, also stolen via bourgeois taxes as well as by capitalists, to fund their nuclear weapons.
>Your mistake - ironically the one you accuse me of - is to be trapped in the nationalist mindset of 1945 - a world of propeller planes and ocean liners. "Either he is a British capitalist or an American capitalist", where there is a clear and clean-cut "domestic bourgeoisie" and a class of "British capitalists". If I may use plagarism to add some flair:
They are heavily intermingled but they still have their own national interests and compete for power.
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 No.94646

>>94539
>The abacus tells me the British Empire was worse.
Then you have made elementary errors of arithmetic. It is worth considering that the population of the British empire at its peak was about 60% of that of just NATO today.
>I don't want my labour, also stolen via bourgeois taxes as well as by capitalists, to fund their nuclear weapons.
You are mistaken insofar as you imagine you have a choice.
Indeed, so far as you had a choice you may have an alternative choice: Would you accept having more of your money taken so that the British Bourgeois did not own their own nuclear weapons? (Even if the overall strength of NATO remained identical.
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 No.94650

British Empire advanced the dialectic
Simple as
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 No.94711

File: 1614292524302.webm (18.76 MB, 488x360, The Day After 1983, Exten….webm)

>>94650
if this was true we would've started WW3 when China demanded Hong Kong back in the 80s.
Just position Polaris submarines in the known SSBN patrol areas of China, the USA and the USSR (so that the reformist cowards at Gorbachev HQ can't chicken out) and then shoot at all sides.

In mere minutes the dialectic would advance by decades, perhaps centuries.
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 No.94729

>>94711
>The Day after
>Not Threads
Bruh
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 No.94741

File: 1614293314544.mp4 (13.44 MB, 400x304, Threads - Bombing Scene (….mp4)

>>94729
I believed this thread was the one where I had already posted all the Threads attack scenes, apparently it was not.
in any case, my suggestion was that we nuke the USA, showing the USA get nuked highlights the most dialectic advancing portion of events.
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 No.94748

File: 1614293574534.webm (17.75 MB, 474x360, THREADS (1984) all of th….webm)

conditions in local councils have only deteriorated since 1984
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 No.94777

File: 1614294260055.jpg (36.74 KB, 645x773, idk bout that one.jpg)

>>94711
>British Empire
>1980's
Somebody has to tell him
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 No.94784

>>94777
One can make a case for a vestigial empire so long as Hong Kong was in British hands. Hong Kong has a population to rival Scotland.
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 No.94841

>>94748
It's sad - watching British films made in the 80s, left wing characters are portrayed as discussing class and the EU, and rallying up support.
"Left-wing" characters in media today are just social liberals who are against overt fascism.
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 No.94852

>>94474
broke: voting stoomer
woke: voting boris
breaking all the constraints: who even is lib dem leader lmaaaaaooooooooo vote orange!
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 No.95994

salmond in front of the committee now
(not much of interest has been said)
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 No.96023

>>95995
alex cole-hamilton is the most useless member of the committee.
he does more to put sturgeon's case than any SNP MSP, is more interested in re-trying salmond than in getting to the bottom of the government's failures, and his voice is whiny and annoying.

only jackie ballie and murdo fraser are marginally competent. (fabiani has so-far been reasonably fair - mostly by telling cole hamilton to shut the fuck up - but also as chair hasn't asked any relevant questions.)
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 No.96028

File: 1614351095897.mp4 (3.72 MB, 640x360, Hypernormalislandisation.mp4)

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 No.96031

>>96028
Did you make this you based legend?
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 No.96033

>>96031
Haha no it's from The IDSmiths. Didn't know why people liked them before from what I'd seen but I assume they sometimes put bangers like that out.
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 No.96036

File: 1614351949475.png (32.3 KB, 390x98, bbcpie_logo.png)

>>96028
>Being a propaganda outlet for the government
Bros, how could state media do this?
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 No.96038

>>96033
I neer heard of them before anon but this is gold. :)
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 No.96039

File: 1614352065305.png (1.31 MB, 1500x1008, ClipboardImage.png)

>>96036
>BBC PIE
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 No.96050

File: 1614352823489.jpg (39.31 KB, 640x480, homer laugh.jpg)

>The government tried to insist there were no documents to disclose. Even the government’s counsel objected to this, Salmond said.
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 No.96065

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/25/key-questions-alex-salmond-could-face-from-msps
what a shit article
no mention of any of the most substantiative issues before the committee, no indication they've even read the evidence (it is well established why salmond pressed sturgeon to intervene: because he believed the government to be acting illegally! he's not going to make up a new story on the fly!)

i'm not even upset in a pro-salmond sense, i'm just upset at the incompetence: this gives the impression of being what would happen if you went onto nationalist twitter and skimread, completely missing the substance of the issue and spaffing out an article to meet a deadline. i would be ashamed to turn this in as a secondary school essay. i was going to say i hope Mr. Carrell is an unpaid intern, but he's their scotland editor!
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 No.96197

>>94646
>You are mistaken insofar as you imagine you have a choice.
The choice is to pursue communism, not grovel between two bourgeoisies.
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 No.96213

File: 1614362501585.jpg (9.48 KB, 480x360, hqdefault(13).jpg)

>>94646
>Then you have made elementary errors of arithmetic. It is worth considering that the population of the British empire at its peak was about 60% of that of just NATO today.
>>94650
>British Empire advanced the dialectic
Now this cope posting.
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 No.96216

File: 1614362618999.png (22.98 KB, 628x238, ClipboardImage.png)

Bioterrorist Salmond gives upper ranks of Holyrood the coof.
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 No.96268

>>96197
Pithy and evasive, a nice preparation for watching Nicola Sturgeon next week. You do not have a choice: your taxes (and unless you are buying everything from Dodgy Dave's van and a corner shop that sells multipack cans individually then you are paying VAT) are paying for the nuclear weapons of the British bourgeoisie.

You do not have a choice. You are not making the choice to pursue communism, indeed you do not even have a choice between two bourgeoisie. The only choice you have made, sitting munching on a twix that you paid 20% VAT on, is to avoid answering the question: would you see people pay more taxes to deprive the British bourgeoisie of nukes, made in texas or otherwise?
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 No.96797

>>96268
Not evasive at all. If you don't believe in the necessity and possibility of communism, I am not interested in furthering the debate. I don't care for bourgeous parliamentary reformism.
We don't need social democrats, trade unionists or parliamentarians to quibble over taxes.
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 No.96828

So I am feeling conflicted, like I have grown up thinking and being told Tories we're the bad guys, but over the last year I got more social support from the Tories than I ever did under Blair (NONE)
Starmer unironically looks like the vote for Thatcherites, WANT SOCIALISM VOTE BLUE!

THIS POST WAS MADE BY BLUE GANG.
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 No.96836

File: 1614421007031.jpg (71.17 KB, 1146x691, lmao.jpg)

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 No.96870

>>96797
We are not discussing the necessity or possibility of communism. It is eminently possible to do so and to still take a position on the question.
Indeed, it is on the historical record that communists did so, striking and demonstrating against Polaris. Unlike you they did not have the luxury of recusing themselves from the nuclear question because they felt above quibbling over the taxes-death by atomic hellfire tradeoff.
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 No.96875

>Sarwar
lol
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 No.96877

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>>96028
Source?
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 No.96893

File: 1614431117991.jpg (72.38 KB, 900x900, baVrMBo.jpg)

>[by the 60s] The CPGB's only representative in Parliament was in the House of Lords, gained when Wogan Philipps, the son of a ship-owner and a long-standing member of the CPGB inherited the title of Lord Milford when his father died in 1963.
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 No.96961

Govt: British Rail, my son. You must choose how to modernize. Will you pick the higher operating cost, lower capital cost diesel engine trains? Or will you pick the higher capital cost, lower operating cost electric engine trains?

British Rail: *builds new steam trains into the early 1960s*
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 No.97092

Explain your beef with small business owners
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 No.97093

>>97092
business owners.
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 No.97095

>>97093
What's the alternative? Everyone working for a megacorporation that has a monopoly on that business sector?
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 No.97103

>>97095
no business owners
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 No.97109

>>97103
So the beef is over something that cannot feasibly change any time soon, and muttering about the issue will only serve to make you look like a nutter to almost every person in the country?
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 No.97113

>>96870
Not sure what your point is. Even if Britain got rid of its nukes it would still be imperialist.
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 No.97114

File: 1614444952036.png (13.47 KB, 275x183, ClipboardImage.png)

>>97095
S Y N D I C A L I S M
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 No.97118

>>97092
They have a class interest directly opposed to the working man regardless of them being less wealthy. This is very fundamental marxism where they are described as the petite-bourgeoisie. On a personal level most small business owners are petty business tyrants who happily shit on the workers for the smallest benefit, given the chance all of them would become big big business owners.
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 No.97120

Reading about Alan Winnington. Hadn't heard of him before he seems like a great British communist.
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 No.97121

>>97113
My point is that you have no point, that you deliberately recuse yourself from having a point, that for all practical purposes you believe in nothing but miasma.
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 No.97124

>>97121
I believe in Marxist-Leninist communism and ruthless critique of everything including germ theory.
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 No.97126

>>97109
Do you have a point here or are you here to pride yourself on ramming your tongue in some orifice of the bong establishment?
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 No.97127

>>96870
>Unlike you they did not have the luxury of recusing themselves from the nuclear question because they felt above quibbling over the taxes-death by atomic hellfire tradeoff
So long as we are involved in the western power bloc we are subject to death by nuclear hellfire anyway. If someone is going to nuke yankland or western europe they will also nuke a non-nuclear Britain. If anything released soviet documents from the cold war imply that by having our own nuclear weapons we (and the french) would be spared the death by nuclear hellfire that would befall Germany and the other western european nations in a limited nuclear exchange. In a full on MAD level exchange we're all fucked regardless of what we do.
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 No.97133

>>97126
My point is that you have no point, that you deliberately recuse yourself from having a point, that for all practical purposes you believe in nothing but miasma.


[spoiler] But really, if businesses aren't going anywhere anytime soon why would you treat small businesses the same as large corporations - when it will do nothing other than alienate yourself further from any voter, or person potentially interested in your cause [/spoiler]
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 No.97141

>>97133
I've seen the argument that small businesses are worse in a country without strong unionisation, what you really want is medium sized businesses that don't have the union-crushing power of the megacorps but also don't have the extreme scattering that a majority petite-bourg nation would have.
A business sector predominantly consisting of small businesses would also fuck with class consciousness as a far greater proportion of the nation would be non-working class and it would be even easier to make the populace think they could easily become business owners. Recipe for eternal Tory rule and never ever achieving anything remotely left wing.
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 No.97148

>>97133
Well it's revolutionary socialism in a country which is nowhere near ready for revolution. Reformists don't tend to pick fights with small business owners because you can carry out a reform agenda just by targeting all the tax dodging corporations.
There's not really much point in having a revolution where you by default have the ability to shape the country how you see fit at every level and then decide to keep small businesses around out of some misguided sense of purpose. I suppose you could massively restrict them like the Chinese and Cubans do but that sort of thing gets decided after the fact.
Also small business owners are often just meat shields for politicians to defend corporate interests with, so you're ceding ground and letting them keep one of their favourite tricks by not attacking them.
And lastly some of the most annoying cunts in the country are small business owners, like the ubiquitous boomer idiot on Question Time with a regional accent, who grew up on a council estate but now runs a "small business" that turns over millions a year and whines about how the left is losing the "working class".
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 No.97157

>>97092
I work for one and it's run by a bunch of tarq cunts who inherited their positions from their father and his father before him etc.
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 No.97160

>>97148
Its not even just them acting as annoying cunts, they're actively shit to work for unless you get very lucky. Most medium to big businesses while soul-crushing to work for are at least more reasonable with working your contracted hours and pay (some exceptions exist at the bottom of the worst industries where you're very disposable) while the small business owner will constantly try to get you to cheat you out of your pay, raises and non-working hours with general bullshit.
I'd rather work a corporate job than for a small business owner who drives a car worth several times your yearly pay while saying "well I can't give you a raise as business has been bad".
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 No.97174

>>97127
I am skeptical of the idea that the Soviet Union would attack Britain much regardless of the existence of Polaris for reasons of simple geography. At the dawn of WW3 NATO Tanks in West Germany are a problem and NATO tanks in Britain are irrelevant.
Anyhow, the cold war is in the past. The more interesting question takes a general view of the question of the British bourgeoisie holding nuclear weapons in general terms.

Essentially:
1. With Trident the British bourgeoisie is nuclear armed, but a socialist Britain would not be. (/a non socialist Britain is strategically tied as closely as possible to the US.)
2. With unilateral disarmament nuclear weapons cease to be a factor. (/a non socialist Britain is much more internationally irrelevant)
3. With a independent nuclear system, the British bourgeoisie is nuclear armed but a socialist Britain would also be. (/a non socialist Britain retains the option of greater divergence from the US - however unclear it is that option would ever be used)

The first option is the timeline we live in - the worst of all possible worlds.
The second is the timeline we decided against in the 1960s, having come very close to doing so before deciding against on cost grounds.
The third is more distant and expensive, but the French demonstrate it is possible.

The question Leninhat has avoided answering is: Would he pick option 1, 2, or 3 in the scenario where #2 means slightly higher taxes than #1?
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 No.97179

>>97174
I support the British bourgeoisie being disarmed by force and a socialist Britain having its own nukes.
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 No.97188

>>97174
Britain would probably have been hit with tactical nukes if it wasn't for our own deterrent for the same reason that the countries that weren't planned to be directly invaded in the declassified documents would have been hit. Airbases and ports. Going by the fact that france was spared in the plans to while other NATO nations were not you probably have seen various RAF and USAF leased based hits and then major ports hit to stop NATO having a naval staging area. You probably wouldn't have seen it as bad as western germany would have had it because no invasion would have been immediately planned but it still would have likely spared us from an exchange.

3 is obviously the best but I don't see how a socialist Britain seizing Trident wouldn't be able to maintain the warheads, it would be significantly more difficult than just being able to use the already existing procedures but we do have the infrastructure and ability to maintain pretty much any thermonuclear warhead. I would be very surprised if theres not several servers and filing cabinets containing details on the actual trident missiles and warheads that we're not supposed to have thanks to our comically oversized spook apparatus too.
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 No.97190

>>97188
If the anti-nuke people had their way they'd likely also withdraw from NATO.
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 No.97193

>>97160
>I'd rather work a corporate job than for a small business owner who drives a car worth several times your yearly pay while saying "well I can't give you a raise as business has been bad".
Which small businesses are you talking about?

<The average salary for a Small Business Owner / Operator is £30,000


https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Small_Business_Owner_%2F_Operator/Salary
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 No.97194

>>97190
Withdrawing from NATO is less likely than us abandoning nukes altogether to be honest. If we were at this point it'd almost certainly be a France in the cold war style of "we're not in NATO everyone knows we will immediately rejoin if anything happens". If we leave for good then the anti-nuke people are being stupid and we should hold onto our own deterrent while also ceasing imperialist activities.
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 No.97197

>>97194
Yeah I don't get the fascination people have with getting rid of nukes and would prefer leaving NATO, it's obvious if you rock the boat too much you'll need them as a deterrent.
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 No.97198

>>97197
Just compare the continued existence of North Korea and China compared to the state of countries like Iran and Iraq which keep getting told to abandon their programs while getting their leaders randomly killed and eventually completely destroyed by capital. If China and the DPRK weren't nuclear I don't doubt for a second that it would have been couped or invaded by now.
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 No.97206

>>97193
Thats because its deliberately using "operator" to include all of the small business "owners" who only own in the sense of tax arrangements used to allow a large corporation to reduce their risk and taxation. Just look at the job listing segments as an example of it.
Even ignoring that most peoples point of contact with small businesses will be more successful small ones as a simple function of them being successful enough to have more staff and locations. The small business owners getting paid 20 grand generally don't have much in the way of employees and when they do they will be very harsh on them as a matter of sheer class interest survival.

Also new when?
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 No.97207

>>97179
This conveniently avoids the question of what you want to happen now, with Britain under bourgeoisie rule.

>>97188
Britain could easily maintain Trident warheads (iirc we build them ourselves), the missiles are the problem. Those are built and maintained in America.
Even with the documentation it is difficult to imagine we could construct the missiles in short order when considering that Britain hasn't had a proper rocket program since the Heath government.

>>97198
As the chief advocate for Satan I would submit Cuba and (unified) Vietnam as partial counterexamples.
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 No.97216

>>97207
The US has tried to invade cuba and constantly tried to depose it, they did the same with vietnam. Even with counter examples the fact that countries have been toppled and fucked with while not having nuclear weapons is an argument itself to maintain a deterrent.

And yeah you're right about the warheads, I always forget if we maintain the warheads ourselves. For the immediate future its just keeping them functional for a few years which is a much easier task, even if we can't launch missiles its still a deterrent against invasion as we don't need to nuke Washington to stop an invasion, just get a warhead close to an invasion force. It wouldn't protect us from an all out strike but it would hold the forces of capital at bay while we rebuilt/reverse engineered our own ballistic missile program.
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 No.97231

>>97207
>This conveniently avoids the question of what you want to happen now, with Britain under bourgeoisie rule.
I want their overthrow. I don't care for games.
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 No.97234

>>97231
I want doesn't get
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 No.97249

>>97234
So you don't want communism, good to know.
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 No.97258

(imagine i am doing a slow clap)
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 No.97260

If I had any image editing skills I would make the image for the next thread a trident submarine with crudely photoshopped socialist imagery on it, but I do not. So please close your eyes and imagine this instead. Thank you for reading.
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 No.97266

>>97193
Most small businesses fail horribly and dont make any money so when you average it out it prolly makes it look like an average wage.
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 No.97299

This general is pathetic. Why aren't any of you cretins talking about lockdown and the great reset? PAthetic.
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 No.97304

>>97299
We can complain about the great reset in other threads. Its a global thing.
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 No.97312

oh gosh oh no we have to sit inside all day talking on the computer instead of going out on the sesh with our mates or selling rugs door to door or practicing the drums with the local pop punk group, this is the greatest restriction on our social lives since the school holidays!
but for me, it is just another Saturday evening.
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 No.97329

>>97312
Grow up you little cretin
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 No.97330

You can always tell who is booj by how much they support lockdowns.
Snivelling cowards scared of a cold will never lead the proletariat to anywhere except the grave.
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 No.97338

>>97330
The same could be said of blowhards with a shopping list.
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 No.97340

>>97330
You're right, the best way to support the working class is to force them out to risk their health and probably kill their elderly relatives (who they are more likely to rely upon) so that people can cling to the liberal idea of freedom while making the number go up.
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 No.97344

>>97340
the higher the numbers go the more the dialectic is advanced. this is a universal truth.
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 No.97347

>>97340
People risk their health every day under capitalism.

How thick are people that they can't see what's going on? The capitalists don't need or want us. They plan to murder billions.
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 No.97351

>>97347
So you want to have people risk their lives even more so that a number will go up and liberal """""freedoms""""" will be upheld. Hmm very left wing opinion.
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 No.97355

>>97351
Imagine believing the numbers, fucking hell.
Even thick ignorant dupes who know nothing about politics know it's all a farce.
Yes, I do want workers to risk their lives to overthrow capitalism. Freedom is part of communism. You want to munch lab grown slop and be executed by the fascist scum who rule us? That's the fate that awaits us unless we do something.
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 No.97361

The majority of British workers are demoralised, disorganised, without political leadership, with little political understanding. Unless the communist parties have the balls to oppose lockdown and organise the workers in a mighty army to exterminate the parasites before they exterminate us, we are heading for a worldwide Auschwitz.
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 No.97362

you won't believe how fucked off i am that i can't find the sun's cutout countdown until we can have a pint so that i can facetiously suggest leninhat stick it on his wall.
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 No.97385

>>97362
You're not going to any pubs any time soon
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 No.97391

In the UK, yokels are traditionally depicted as wearing the old West Country/farmhand's dress of straw hat and white smock, chewing or sucking a piece of straw and carrying a pitchfork or rake, listening to "Scrumpy and Western" music
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 No.97414

>>97355
Since overthrowing capitalism is illegal it doesn't matter if its also illegal to go outside. Do you think that the revolution is going to be approved by an act of parliament? Really you're just a useful idiot for the powers that be to get the workers back into the workplace so number can go back up.
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 No.97456

>>97414
Workers won't overthrow anything hiding in their homes.
We need fearless communists, like myself.
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 No.97458

>>97456
This is just pure larp, even if lockdown had never happened you rug merchants wouldn't have achieved a thing.
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 No.97460

File: 1614457796305.mp4 (12.39 MB, 640x268, Execution of Charles I, 30….mp4)

>>97414
>Do you think that the revolution is going to be approved by an act of parliament?
isn't that how the last one went
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 No.97463

>>97460
We need parliament to think that they are the king so they will pass an act declaring that they need their heads chopped of. Foolproof plan if you ask me (which quite frankly you should).
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 No.97480

>>97458
Told you before kid, I'm not a CPGBML member.
We need a new party that actually represents the British proletariat opposed to lockdown.
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 No.97487

>>97480
>We need a new party that actually represents the British proletariat
Scottish Labour is as good as new now that it's elected Anas Sarwar as leader :)
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 No.97495

>>97480
>kid
Are you 15? Who actually uses kid as an insult when they're an adult?
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 No.97500

>>97495
Most posters on here are infantile dunces
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 No.97509

leninhat who do you hate more australia or new zealand?
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 No.97518

>>97500
Says the obvious 15 year old.
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 No.97562

>>97518
I'm in my 20s
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 No.97564

>>97509
I hate you, you smug, bourgeois faggot.
Do you work? You're on here 24/7 you boring nazi menshevik.
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 No.97567

File: 1614461272448.jpg (51.33 KB, 640x480, scorpio.jpg)

heh… nobody ever says australia or new zealand
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 No.97736

>>97562
Whatever you say my friendo.
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 No.97804

>>97564
Hmmm I wonder what might cause someone to be able to post constantly on this board. I wonder if some sort of global event is making people stay at home. Hmmmmm.
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 No.98158

Leninhat, USAID funded the Wuhan institute of virology according to media roots radio
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 No.98347

File: 1614512667217.png (1.14 MB, 827x1128, ClipboardImage.png)

Fs in chat for Peter Hitchens' freedom.
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 No.98366

>>98158
China and America aren't enemies. The new "Cold War" narrative is a false one. It's all spectacle, they are capitalist states in league with each other to exploit the workers.
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 No.98515

>>98347
I think leninhat is peter hitchens reliving his youth online.

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