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 No.81160[Last 50 Posts]

Itt. The most extreme radical beliefs you hold that are controversial even in leftist spaces

>prison is a horrible deterrent to crime and should be abolished completely. Even if it were effective, the concept of holding humans in cages is disturbing
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 No.81162

>>81160
>in leftist spaces

Online or real life?
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 No.81163

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 No.81164

prison is a worse torture ,if its for more than like 10 years , THAN execution , if someone commits a huge crime that you think its worthy of sucj harsh punishment just kill the guy ,if its not enough to kill someone the provide a better sentance

Also murder should be judged on a case by case basis most murderers arent addicted to the act
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 No.81166

Borders.Don't like'em .
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 No.81167

>>81163
Online: This place is pretty radical, so Idk if there is any opinion too radical for this board

Real Life: I think Stalin was all in all a good leader and when I don't care that much about those Identity issues like Feminism . Yes those views are radical in leftist spaces
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 No.81168

working is honestly fucking stupid and pretty much all of modernity has been so thoroughly warped by capitalism you would have just completely nuke everything and start over because of how sheerly insane society is

plastic prepackaged salads are disturbing as fuck man
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 No.81170

>>81164

Oh nationalism is the gayest idpol in the world ,loving your actual homeland aka your hood/city/village may be rational
But nations are completely made up ,borders whould be good if erased when a good socialist system is in place
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 No.81173

The modern Bourgeois "Celebrity Class" is so out of touch with the Proletariat and should be completely killed off, since they would never accept Socialism
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 No.81175

>>81160
Restaurants should be abolished in favour of cantinas, because as anyone who has worked in service industry will tell you, it's hard, backbreaking work. The only thing making it bearable is that the kitchen staff are generally cool and drinking on the job is allowed.

The nuclear family should be abolished. Not made illegal, just not forced as the dominant family configuration, so that people can choose to have whatever relationships they want without it affecting their status (materially or socially).

Radical educational reforms that are outside of the scope of this comment, but basically we need to get rid of our Prussian-style of education in favour of a system that identifies the different abilities of kids and also takes into account their wishes. One of the first steps would be getting rid of the factory clock and the rigid schedules.

Four hour workday and four hour week should be standard. Productivity is there, only thing that's falling behind is the ideological, superstructural explanations that still make us think that if someone isn't working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week they're useless and lazy.

We must recognise that "unproductive labour" (labour that does not generate surplus value) has a role in reproducing society, and not be blind to something just because it has not a subject covered by orthodox marxist analysis. A parent who works all day then doesn't have time to cook, but feeds their kids garbage, is only creating debt for the future by not raising a healthy individual, but one that will put a strain on society later.
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 No.81176

>>81170
oh and last but not least ,i do think a lot of people should and must be killed for socialism to win
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 No.81182

>>81160
There is evidence that prison is an effective deterrent to crime in many cases, and it is also necessary to segregate convicted criminals from the rest of society. Furthermore punishment and imprisonment give a sense of relief, safety and justice to victims, their families, and society at large. Homosapien's, as a social species have an inherent sense of moral trespasses, and "cheating" sorts of behaviors, and have evolved strategies to discourage and punish them.
Even if imprisonment causes harm to convicted criminals, if they have actually committed these offenses, then they have committed harm themselves, and they will not be punished or discouraged from further crimes if they are allowed to walk free.

>>81164
For the type of people that tend to get locked up for more than 10 years (usually psychopaths) prison time is preferable to execution. Such criminals tend to be highly stress resistant and find shit to do in prison at least.
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 No.81184

Cities and urban life is incompatible with communism and communism will entail the emptying of the cities.
Space is literally the most stupid thing there is and insofar as communist society will have universal proscriptions any attempt at colonisation and settlement of other planets should be so proscribed.
Communism will pretty much abolish animal husbandry altogether.
Communism is closer at hand than most realise.
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 No.81185

nothing is less important than one's personal morals.
by this i do not mean that morality is unimportant - but that the only thing that matters is the morality of society as a whole. if you raise the level of morality of society as a whole while personally committing immoral acts then you are a much better person than the man who has done "No wrong", but has stood idly by while untold wrongs have been committed.

that is perhaps not controversial stated in such a general sense - but when you start getting into specific examples and when you pour scorn on the idea that people can extricate themselves from the immorality of the society they live in, then they will get very upset.
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 No.81188

>>81182
psychopaths cant get rehabilitated and thus prison is a waste of time and money ,also you trust the legal system way to much ,people get 10 years+ for all shorts of bs crimes
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 No.81191

>>81188
>psychopaths cant get rehabilitated and thus prison is a waste of time and money
So what do you do with them?
>also you trust the legal system way to much ,people get 10 years+ for all shorts of bs crimes
Even in the US penal system most jail sentences that long are for crimes involving predatory violence or like a long history of opportunistic criminal careerism, you still get petty drug dealers and the like locked up for more than 10 years but it's less common afaik. (Not saying that a felony charge under 10 years for drugs isn't bullshit and will ruin your life)
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 No.81207

>>81191
In my country it's possible to get 15 years for smuggling or murder, as for the psychopaths either send them to an insane asylum or unalive them
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 No.81215

>>81160
>prison is a horrible deterrent to crime and should be abolished completely. Even if it were effective, the concept of holding humans in cages is disturbing

So you don't think unrepentant serial killers need to be locked up?

>just kill them instead


Well I hope the socialist police are magic and never go after anyone innocent or that would be awkward.
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 No.81216

>>81207
>send them to an insane asylum

And that's different from a prison how?
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 No.81219

>>81160
When America collapses we are going to need a massive cultural revolution the likes of which we have never seen before. American individualism is a fucking cancer on society. The fact that the strongest nation on the planet is the one having the hardest time dealing with a fucking pandemic speaks miles about how cursed the American mindset is. This isn't just for America, as the mindset has spread to other parts of the world, there was Q-anon people in Europe and India for some retarded reason.
These people are going to need more than re-education, some of them need to be shaved and humiliated in public to make sure no one ever finds it acceptable to think in this mode of fashion again.
Society needs to be in many places also completely wipes and started over, the individualistic focus on the car has literally made it impossible for communities to fucking EXIST in many places, where I live the highway has basically cut the city into parts and you need to walk 45 minutes to go around it. Destroy the highways and replace them with a train system, destroy the suburbs, they have no place in a civilized world.
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 No.81220

>>81216
It's actually made for rehabilitation rather than punishment
>Muh what if we catch the wrong person
Well if you really have such a hard time making sure the serial rapist is the correct person you may wait sometime before administrating the punishment
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 No.81230

>>81160
I also think prisons should be abolished but for different reasons

Redeemable crimes like destroying property, stealing food or picking fights deserves rehabilitation and should be focused on helping the person be better
Crimes that are inhumane like doing pedophilia, raping, serial killings deserve to die and have their bodies used for practical uses to benefit the society like for medical research or as manure

Prison is fucking stupid because people who do small crimes get treated like slaves and ""'people"" who do awful crimes are allowed to exist and use up the resources of society. Some criminals are so awful that every second said criminal getting to breath is injustice to the just and good people of society.

This is assuming that nobody innocent is ever caught accidentally which unfortunately still happens.
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 No.81231

>>81220
>It's actually made for rehabilitation rather than punishment
>t. child
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 No.81251

>>81230
baste
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 No.81286

>>81175
I agree with all of these
>Restaurants should be abolished in favour of cantinas
what do you mean by this? what is the difference in a socialist state? the method by which the food is served?
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 No.81291

I'm the opposite of most people here in one way. You should avoid killing whenever possible, mercy is good for you, the more you kill, your brain will stop producing oxytocin, creating depression and suicidal thoughts. Any unnecessary killing will only serve to damage the movement and its legacy, "Revolutionary Terror" is bourgeois, and is fuel for counter revolution.
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 No.81294

>>81291
How is that radical? your stance is pretty much the opposite of Radical
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 No.81297

>>81294
It's radical in the context of this board, where everyone seems to be talking about how cheap human life is, and are willing to throw it away at a moments notice, not just of their enemies, but of themselves and the proles they profess to serve
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 No.81298

>>81297
> radical centrist detected
nice try glowie
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 No.81300

>>81297
No, it's unpopular on this board, but not radical. There is a difference
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 No.81302

>>81298
You're either a psychopath or trying to act macho, either way this attitude is cancerous
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 No.81305

>>81291
>>81297
>WE'LL WIN WITH THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!!!!!
Fascinating. Against the wall, please.
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 No.81306

>>81297
Tbh I’m unironically psychotic and aggressive largely due to untreated “mental problems”
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 No.81307

>>81305
He thinks we live in the world of Fairy Tail
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 No.81309

>>81305
>>81307
You fucking idiots, I'm not saying killing isn't necessary, but it's not good for you or for the movement. Embracing terror and excess will only hurt you, there's a reason Sorelian and adjacent movements like Shining Path are despised.
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 No.81310

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>>81305
>Against the wall, please.
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 No.81311

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I agree that prisons are bad and shit, I thought this was a normal leftist belief and not some hot take, WTF what kind of leftists do you hang out with?
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 No.81313

>>81309
It's obviously not good, but nearly a decade of Red Scare Tactics in the west have produced a population so vigilant in their Anti-Communism that it's not even funny anymore
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 No.81315

>>81313
And you think fulfilling and confirming all the stereotypes in that propaganda is what will help you?
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 No.81316


>>81231
>>81231
>a place runned by psychologist and social workers is exactly the same as private prisons in America or over crowded prisons in the rest of the world
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 No.81317

>>81306
I'm very glad you're willing to admit this, you're on your first step to recovery
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 No.81318

>>81316
Psychologists are perfectly willing to torture and rape in the name of science
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 No.81324

>>81315
Are you confident enough to convince a bunch qtards of the Truth of Marxism, by handling them peacefully? If you are, then you are one on the forefront of leading the revolution
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 No.81326

prison is based and should be made 10x more miserable under socialism but the only people sent to prison should be rapists, pedos, and murderers
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 No.81327

>>81318
I do prefer a crazy doctor than a crazy person whose job is to treat humans like cattle
Also since we are talking about a socialist state, I don't give a shit as long as he experiments on right wingers
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 No.81332

>>81324
>Are you confident enough to convince a bunch qtards of the Truth of Marxism, by handling them peacefully?
Wherever possible yes, most of the people in those movements that aren't making money on social media or being business owners are people who have been abandoned by society, their instincts of anti-elitism are correct but not materially grounded.
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 No.81351

>>81160
the concept of "fair punishment" is absurd if it doesnt solve the problem.

Justice and Prison Systems should be purely rehabilitative and protective instead of feels-based vindictiveness or mercy. In cases where rehabiliation is truly not possible people should be kept away indefinitely.

If a someone gets caught for a minor crime but it would take 20 years to rehabilitate, then thats the sentence. If a murderer would take a day to be rehabilitated, then he stays for a day.

Of course such a system would need some sort of omniscient panel of experts with perfect insight into the psychology of every individual. We arent quite there yet, but our understanding of Humans gets better by the day so we should definitely work towards that direction.
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 No.81365

>>81351
Any system that rests on the assumption that there is such a thing as an infallible human being is not a system that is going to last.
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 No.81367

I have no real opinions, I just really hate liberals and you guys also really hate liberals.
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 No.81379

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Abortion is murder
LGBT is bourgeois decadence
Mixed couples are abhorrent
Capitalism is eroding all native cultures
Technology is a net negative
The nuclear family is desireable and capitalism is destroying it
Feminism is a bourgeois art project
Jewish and WASP nepotism is the biggest cancer in the world
China isn't socialism but their MoP is prefferable to the West's.
Girls who paint their hair purple pink and so on are mentally insane
Fat people shouldn't be accepted
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 No.81380

>>81379
oops wrong flag
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 No.81382

>>81306
Then you are a liability. Grow up and sort your shit out.
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 No.81383

>>81379
Tag yourself, I'm Abortion is murder and Mixed couples are abhorrent.
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 No.81385

>>81379
post chin
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 No.81387

>>81379
Those aren't radical views at all. That's like Rush Limbaugh stuff.
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 No.81388

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>>81160
*Me towards fascists: No mercy – at all.
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 No.81389

>>81365
in what way is that relevant?
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 No.81390

Feel like Psychology, or at least pop Psychology is funded and advertised for the sake of advancing bourgeois ideals. Those most funded have the potential to be used as new commodities or can be easily spun to a liberal agenda. The people they interview in the published pop psychology don’t really seem to be working class, and often socioeconomic status is favored as a variable. While socioeconomic status and class are correlated together and often interlinked due to the repressive power that is granted and abused by those in the capitalist system, why make it so fucking complicated and create the most abstract values when the measured abstract values are made up of things you can collect as more “accurate” qualitative data? It measures and assumes hierarchy rather than showing this hierarchy when neglecting to include the data they use to create this socioeconomic status value. It is class division in action, and for that reason, I have a heavy distrust of “social sciences”.

I’m sure there are non-visible and well-funded studies that do take into account for these variables. But they’re probably not on mainstream science news sites and most definitely locked behind a paywall.
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 No.81391

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>>81379
Based
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 No.81392

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>>81388
>polcringepass
anon… please…
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 No.81393

"Consent" is a flimsy construct that exists solely to disseminate dominant norms. Not to mention the form: pure bourgeois consciousness.

Equality based on sexual preference is just as much a fantasy as equality of means. Deviancy exists precisely because the structure is flawed, and it by its very existence can not coexist with the dominant culture. One is always absorbed into the other, historically the former into the latter.

Psychology is obfuscation. The only way it can go is wither away as progress in neurology is made and a better understanding of the real functioning of the brain is attained. Likewise, "post-cognivitism" and other attempts to save psychology from fatal criticism is grandstanding to impose a pseudo-science on which the powers-that-be rely, in part, to enforce their control.
Related: depression and other "mental illnesses" that are pure affluence conditions are completely mistreated. The best treatment is major changes in the material conditions of the client/analysand. I.e.: moving to a different surrounding, getting a different job, breaking up relationships, etc. This does not apply to neurological conditions and I am not arguing it does.

Morals aren't worth a damn when push comes to shove. This extends to "exploitation of labour", as used here, being "bad", and also it needing to be "abolished".

Highly controversial online, this shithole included: labour is good. Performing labour is fulfilling. By extension having a job is good. Having a sucky post does not invalidate labour, or even the job itself.

>>81311
It is, OP is a posturing lib.
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 No.81394

You know what's really radical…?

Going to church!
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 No.81395

>>81387
Has Rush Limbaugh ever said mixed couples are abhorrent though?
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 No.81397

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>>81388
based
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 No.81399

>>81385
Cant handle the banter
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 No.81401

>>81399
I'm going to racemix in your honor, sir.
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 No.81403

Anti-fascism is not communism.
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 No.81405

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>>81399
proving yourself a LARPer then
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 No.81406

>>81403
nor is Anti-Imperialism
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 No.81407

>>81403
It is a feature of it though
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 No.81408


>>81401
Cant handle the banter
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 No.81409

Allow people to have their victim mentality. Their desire to have blame on something allows them to more easily accept and criticize material conditions. Victim mentality, especially in crisis, should be encouraged and let grow. These are people in their most vulnerable most willing to change and new perspective when they enter this “victim state”
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 No.81410

>>81407
It can be, but is not necessarily.

>>81406
What scenario would a communist be supportive of imperialism? As a globalizing process, maybe?
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 No.81413

>>81403
Antifascism is babys first socialism
The antifascist will ,without even knowing, pave the way to a socialist future
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 No.81415

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>>81399
No, if you want to be really radical you have to do the extreme opposite of everything you said. So:

>Abortion is liberation

>Heterosexuality is bourgeois decadence
>Non-mixed couples are abhorrent

Etc.
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 No.81416

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>>81379
only agree with you on capitalism eroding culture and fat people sucking
WASP/jew nepotism is kinda shitty but it's not as far-reaching as polyps make it out to be
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 No.81418

>>81415
>Unironically quoting sakai
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 No.81419

>>81403
Can't believe some people actually disagree with this, liberals being anti-fascist doesn't make them communist
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 No.81420

>>81410
>What scenario would a communist be supportive of imperialism
None, all socialists are anti-imperialist, but not all anti-imperialists are socialists, many anti-imperialists are part of the national and petite bourgeois classes of the oppressed nation
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 No.81422

>>81418
As a proud europoor
I critically support sakaist cause of the butthurt they give to ameretards is funny as shit
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 No.81423

>>81422
truly radical
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 No.81424

>>81416
Not to discourage structural exercise, because I've only had good experience with it, but a lot of "fat" people genuinely do have bad constitution. Even the people who don't, and are overeating for other reasons, don't all do it for pure hedonism.

>>81419
Didn't expect the positive response when I posted that, to be honest.

>>81420
Gotcha, same page.
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 No.81425

If your politics are based out of spite instead of love, you can only ever be a reactionary. Most people here operate off spite because that's what the internet creates.
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 No.81426

>>81424
It's pretty telling that obesity is pretty heavily correlated with poverty.
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 No.81427

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>>81425
what do you mean by love? believing in the value of humanity and by extension, all human beings? I agree
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 No.81428

>>81426
Junk food is literally designed to be addictive, get the right amounts of salt and sugar in something and it can be harder to kick than cocaine or tobacco
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 No.81429

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 No.81430

>>81422
Wow careful with that edge bruh
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 No.81431

>>81160
Liberals dont exist ,only a few nazis and the giy who invented Ba'ath actively deny class politics
All other are either mindlessly anticommunist or ignorant
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 No.81432

>>81427
yes, the bourgeoisie are the enemies precisely because their economic condition creates a mindset where the value of humanity is tied to money, to "productive" activity
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 No.81433

>>81428
>>81424
Fattie cope

Junk food is more expensive than healthy food
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 No.81435

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 No.81437

>>81433
That doesn't contradict the fact that junk food is in fact addictive, and deliberately designed to be so
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 No.81439

>>81435
Based other than the fact that no sufi will become a caliph
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 No.81440

>>81439
you're right there will be a Druze caliph
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 No.81441

>Corporations and capitalism fuck the world in so many ways that even if I and my buddies planned the whole economy we would produce a happier society.
>Some capitalists could be sympathetic to socialism if they see that it advances science or protects the environment, etc. Engels isn't only capitalist that has a fondness of socialism.
>Some cultures are better than others.
Cultures of the eastern bloc were superior to modern hedonist consumerist society. Also backwards cultures that for example accept wife-beating and believe in superstition are inferior to secular cultures.
>IQ is heckin valid.
>Biological homogeneity is good for a socialist state and social cohesion.
In group bias and prejudice are natural traits that you cant get rid of. You have to accept them as part of human civilization. Diversity ruins trust and the sense of community.
>>81379
Based. Agree with everything except first one and the one on technology.
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 No.81442

>>81441
What's your problem with mixed race couples?
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 No.81444

>>81442
My money is on incel bitterness.
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 No.81445

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 No.81446

>>81445
Do you also blame addicts to other drugs as individuals as you do fat people?
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 No.81447

>>81444
Only trannies use the incel buzzword
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 No.81448

Absolute equality is a worthy end goal.
Perhaps not a practical one, but absolutely a worthy one.
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 No.81449

>>81441
>Some capitalists could be sympathetic to socialism if they see that it advances science or protects the environment, etc. Engels isn't only capitalist that has a fondness of socialism
Thats a fact,i literally know a pretty big bouj who was making donations to the communist party
>IQ is heckin valid.
>Biological homogeneity is good for a socialist state and social cohesion
Thats plain wrong
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 No.81450

>>81444
Kids of mixed race couples don't have a clear identity or a people that they can feel is their own. If the couple doesn't have kids then i don't care.
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 No.81453

>>81447
Oh sweetie, did you get triggered?
Did the mean old Anon use the i-word?
Oh poor thing, come here, daddy will take your tears away.
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 No.81454

>>81447
Lol, I clearly struck a nerve with that one.
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 No.81455

>>81450
>Kids of mixed race couples don't have a clear identity
They create it, you use the UFW flag yet you don't know how Mestizos were formed?
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 No.81457

>>81450
Big if true.
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 No.81458

>>81450
This could be applied to any child with parents, that are not both from the same ethnicity desu
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 No.81459

>>81453
>>81454
Incels are a lot more important to the socialist cause than trans
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 No.81460

incels are just the community making sure antisocial members get ostracized
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 No.81461

>>81459
Every trans person I've met has been a better comrade than most CIS people tbh
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 No.81462

>>81458
ethnicities are a meme, its like considering being a punk an important category
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 No.81463

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 No.81464

>>81459
Incels are not relevant to anything. Their misogyny disqualifies them from leftism automatically.
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 No.81465

radlibs are better people than 4channoids when you adjust for income.
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 No.81466

>>81461
They are a double edged sword from my experience. Stalinist Hardliners with an obsession with Trans Liberation
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 No.81467

>>81464
>>81461
>Literally can't handle the banter

Kek!!
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 No.81468

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>>81467
>his "banter" is spouting buzzwords like he's on /v/
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 No.81469

>>81465
radlibs dont exist ,how can a person deny someones personal beleifs especially if he calls himself a socialist and talk about class
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 No.81470

Someone tell the radlib succdem he is filtered plox
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 No.81471

>>81462
Ok…but Race is real? How many do exist then? Which model of Racial Science do we take?
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 No.81472

>>81467
Kinda hard coming back from being a butthurt incel who has to point fingers at the (((troons))) to feel validated, guy.

>>81470
This isn't reddit/twitter, retard.
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 No.81473

>>81471
Race is semireal ,but is meaningless as long as people seem equall and can procreate
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 No.81474

>>81470
you couldn't filter a cigarette (fag.)
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 No.81475

>>81470
lol triggered by a socdem
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 No.81476

>>81472
Oof, imagine getting b8'd this hard
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 No.81477

>>81455
I don't know what the UFW actually is desu. Im not a burger. I just use it because it looks nazbol.
>>81458
Yeah but mixed kids are usually visually distinct from both of their parents. A spawn of two europeans doesn't usually look "foreign".
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 No.81478

>>81473
>Race is semireal

Explain. You after all said that mixed-couple kids will have a hard time
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 No.81479

>>81477
So race is about how dark my skin is?
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 No.81480

>>81478
what ,i didnt ,you mistake me for someone else
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 No.81482

>>81477

>Yeah but mixed kids are usually visually distinct from both of their parents

that is completely irrelevant
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 No.81483

>>81476
Imagine being an incel.
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 No.81486

>>81483
>HE MUST BE AN INCEL, THERE IS NO WAY I AM GETTING B8'D!!

lol'd
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 No.81489

>>81441
>Cultures of the eastern bloc were superior to modern hedonist consumerist society.
No they were inferior.
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 No.81490

>>81486
Werent you crying about the socdem btofoing you?
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 No.81492

>>81486
There is no universe in which you get to fuck.
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 No.81493

>>81490
No Anon, listen, it was all a jest. Clearly our master shitposter is actually very intelligent and acting like a child.
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 No.81494

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>>81477
>I don't know what the UFW actually is desu. Im not a burger. I just use it because it looks nazbol.
I'm a Burger from the southwest and they are a regional thing here, which is why I use it. Here are their founders lol
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 No.81496

>>81489
Elaborate?
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 No.81497

Another batch of baits

Veganism is bourgeois moralism
Females who refuse to have kids due to "ecology" are dumbasses and counterrevolutionary
There is no such thing as male priviledge
Black people have priviledge
Dogs were bred to defend privste priperty, therefore dogs will all be killed under communism
Public transportation is for poorfags and under communism we will all have cars
Drugs are counterrevolutionary
Ecological collapse is the only way forward for a revolution
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 No.81498

>>81479
There's more visual differences than skin color. You can easily differentiate Europeans and east-Asians if they have a light skin.
>>81482
How is that irrelevant? Mixed people don't have a people that they can be a part of. They are doomed to rootlessness.
>>81489
cringe hedonist
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 No.81501

File: 1613407682046.jpg (2.03 MB, 3120x4160, IMG_20210214_155704.jpg)

>>81492
I had sex yesterday with my gf

Here a pic of my cat looking at me and my gf have sex
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 No.81502

>>81466
based if true
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 No.81504

>>81501
your cat looks horny as hell
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 No.81505

>>81498
>They are doomed to rootlessnes
Wait dont they have a home ?
>>

 No.81507

>>81497
>”Radical beliefs”
<Rightoid beliefs with a thin coat of red paint
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 No.81508

>>81501
tranny lesbian sex doesnt count
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 No.81509

>>81501
Your body pillow is not a real woman.
>>

 No.81510

>>81471
There are only two races
Humans
And whites
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 No.81511

>>81504
Motherfucker spends all fucking night screaming because he wants some kittie pissy

My cat is an incel
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 No.81513

>>81509
>>81508
>>81507
Loving every (You)
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 No.81514

>>81498
So when it comes to races we have the classic categories of:
White
Black
Brown
Red
Yellow


That's your point, am I right or did I put words in your mouth?
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 No.81515

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>>81510
based
>>

 No.81516

>>81510
Are whites Unter or Übermenschen then?
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 No.81517

File: 1613408023365.png (25.85 KB, 396x400, 1563428060776.png)

everyone is actually bisexual
stalin and the 3rd international had a terrible impact on latinamerica most communist parties should've just ignored them
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 No.81518

>>81498
>you can easily differentiate Europeans and east-Asians if they have a light skin.
Plz travel to eastern or southern europe
>>

 No.81519

>>81516
whites arent menschen at all
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 No.81520

>>81498
>cringe hedonist
You call yourself a radical?
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 No.81523

>>81517
also selective and secret killing of counter revolutionaries is based even when armed struggle is not yet completelly developed or dotp hasn't been achieved
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 No.81524

>>81519
Yeah I get your point. They are distinct from humans. But are they under humans or are they above them in the hierarchy of all living beings?

>inb4 Whites are not even living
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 No.81526

>>81524
Whites live rent free inside his head
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 No.81527

>>81524
Pure whites cant live meaningfull experiances just like animals
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 No.81528

File: 1613408303412.png (171.42 KB, 470x313, trannygf.png)

trannies r hot sumtimes
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 No.81529

File: 1613408370650.jpg (839.8 KB, 2048x2047, D11e-sQVYAAVNWf.jpg)

Bob Avakian = Based
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 No.81530


>>81528
trans people= smarter people ngl
>>

 No.81531

>>81530
Worst part is that this isn't ironic
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 No.81532

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>>81527
Damn…why do I feel the crushing weight of the Soul devouring Capitalist Realism on my shoulders then, comrade?
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 No.81533

>>81532
you may have some non european genotypes,check it out so we dont enslave you
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 No.81534

File: 1613408579898.png (901.4 KB, 1242x718, 1584734136543.png)

>>81530
trannies are nerds but I don't think they are smarter
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 No.81535

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 No.81536

>>81529
He endorsed Biden though…
>>

 No.81537


>>81536
Well biden is the communist choice
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 No.81539

>>81505
You know what i mean. They don't have home-nation that they can call their own.
>>81507
>>81520
But liberal hegemony and degeneration sure are radical. NTA
>>81514
I think that's a decent way to group humans in to different groups.
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 No.81540

>>81539
>home-nation
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHH no such thing lib
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 No.81541

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>>81537
Nah I tell ya, back in Scranton, 1952, my buddy cornman, he told me, he said "all your children will be communists", that's what it's all about man
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 No.81542

>>81539
>your flag

Is it for fun or are you really a gay Nazbol?
>>

 No.81544

>>81541
The mature worker chooses Biden ,the imature youth chooses Sanders
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 No.81545

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>>81539
It's radical as FUCK and we're going to create giant propaganda billboards with slogans on them celebrating it and put them EVERYWHERE and there's NOTHING you can do about it under our radical, ultra-oppressive and maximum totalitarian, avant-garde hyper-liberal-fascist degenerate regime!

See picture
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 No.81546

File: 1613409147307.gif (1.74 MB, 500x281, ku485y6.gif)

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 No.81547

>>81530
Well, trans people on average tend to have higher IQ so make of that what you will.
>>

 No.81550

>>81545
Is this pick from lenin era ussr?
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 No.81551

>>81540
That maybe an unfortunate reality for you, but most people have some sort of tribe or people that they can call their own.
>>81542
Im a legit "nazbol". That's why i was using the UFW flag earlier due to its appearance. The nazbol flag has been a victim of a forceful transition.
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 No.81552

>>81551
>people that they can call their own.
Feels<<<<<<Reals
>>

 No.81555

>>81551
But are you a homosexual?
>>

 No.81556

>>81552
Btw you can make a tribal identity out of anything so you are still wrong
>>

 No.81561

>>81551
Why would you choose to be a gay nazbol anon?
Are you mentally ill?
>>

 No.81563

Nazbols who talk about "tribal identity" just sound like teenagers to me struggling to interpret cliques at their high school.
>>

 No.81564

>>81547
what (((science))) did you read this in? Just confirms that pmc are counter-revolutionary tbh
>>

 No.81566

>>81552
Whatever man. People have a need to belong to community and a wider nation. And people will also naturally hold prejudice to different people. Call it feelz>>>realz but that's how humans are. To be rational you have accept that not all humans are capable of being rational all the time.
>>81555
No
>>81556
You can (Religions have an identitarian aspect to them) but people have naturally formed those tribal identities around biology throughout history.
>>

 No.81569

>>81566
>biology throughout history
Ok are you stupid ,nations have nothing to do with biology, also no being a retard doesnt mean you deserve a nation for your low iq kind
>>

 No.81570

>>81539
>They don't have home-nation
it's ok no one had one for hundreds of thousands of years
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 No.81577

I don't know who is worse "pure breed" who absolutely must adhere to nationalism and a home-nation or mutts who, as a result, feel like they need to adhere to internationalism and cosmopolitanism

Both are absolutely degenerate
>>

 No.81578

I'd be ok with a population reduction. That isn't to say I'd be OK with eco-fascistic population control methods; I just wouldn't mind less people in the world. I'm tired of cities and cultures being ruined by overcrowding, and it's not like the ills of crowded cities are going to be cured by a socialist revolution anytime soon.
>>

 No.81579

>>81577
95% of nations are composed of mutts
You are an idiot ,nations are literal memes
>>

 No.81580

>>81579
Retard
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 No.81582

>>81570
Yes but we had smaller tribes. Do you think nations and national identities came out of nowhere? Nations unified different tribes under a single jurisdiction and rulers.
>>81569
Take a dna test and it will show you which nations blood flows through your veins.
>also no being a retard doesnt mean you deserve a nation for your low iq kind
Incoherent seething. I got a 138 from this test http://www.mensa.fi/iq/index_2.html
What about you? It's a reputable test hosted by Mensa.
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 No.81584

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 No.81587

>>81582
>Take a dna test and it will show you which nations blood flows through your veins.
Thats not how nations work ,they are a mix of genotypes
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 No.81588

>>81582
>bringing up your online IQ score

this has to be a troll
>>

 No.81590

>>81587
and in essence are completely cultural myths ,like punks and rednecks
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 No.81598

>>81587
I know how they work. You can still be ethnically Swedish, Latvian or Finnish.
>>81590
Punks and rednecks are not a national identity.
>>81588
:^)
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 No.81599

>>81582
Anything can be a tribe, genetic concentrations are nothing but a quirk of geography.
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 No.81600

>>81598
>Punks and rednecks are not a national identity
But they can be since they are of same value to national identity
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 No.81603

>>81584
Read my original post again and see if you can get the argument again
>>

 No.81605

>>81603
still btofoed ,at least this time not by a socdem
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 No.81606

>>81160
Reza Negerastani's theory of the equality of minds.
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 No.81610

>>81600
Most people feel a stronger connection with their linguistic, cultural and ethnic whole than a subculture like punk. Most rednecks would probably identify themselves as Americans.

I think splitting hairs about what constitutes a tribe or nation is useless. People have a natural inclination to have an in group. For most people that's going to be a nation or a peoples and people associate those with certain biological traits. Humans feel more sympathy and can easily recognize people that look like themselves. Homogeneity is good for social cohesion. People won't defend a jurisdictional zone but their in group and material conditions.
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 No.81613

>>81610
Wow nice buzzwords, also wtf does linguistics have to do with nation states, as I said before most states are 85% or less homogenous, you really have no idea what you are talking about
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 No.81617

>>81610
We can actively socialize with about 200 people ,a group bigger than this is against "homogeneity"
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 No.81620

>>81483
>>81483
What's the difference between MtF tranny and incel tho?
>>

 No.81621

>>81605
Confirmed for illiterate
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 No.81622

>>81620
There are none lol

Imagine being such an incel you fall for the "become the gf" meme
>>

 No.81623

>>81620
MtF trans people typically have sex
>>

 No.81625

>>81492
Eunuchs fuck?
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 No.81631

>>81623
With who?
Desperate incels?
Other MtF's?
Tbh I truly, truly believe radlibs vs incels is mostly just an incel civil war

Just between the male feminists who don't fuck and anti-feminists who don't fuck
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 No.81636

Too radical for society:
>the dprk is actually a pretty good societal model
>gender (roles) is (are) a social construct
>ethics should be dropped entirely, allow human experiment and cloning for the greater good

Too radical for this board:
>he who does not work shall not eat
>prisons are good and the death penalty must be reestablished for dangerous criminal like murderers, rapist and child abusers
>prisoners should be productive to society to pay for their inhumane acts, thus, work camps are preferable to prisons
>trans people will never be biologically male/female
>every drugs should be banned, even tobacco and alcohol, and the act of producing these substance should be met with death
>fascism/fascist is a buzzword that should be dropped by the left
>market reforms in socialist states are acceptable in the current historical context, but they should be reverted once the global liberal-capitalist hegemony ends
>in liberal societies, political parties are religious sects (even communist ones)
>i like traditional gender roles and I want to have 10s of children
>traditional gender roles should be enforced because they are the best at promoting population growth
>sex is unironically disgusting and should be abolished
>individualism is stupid and will naturally disappear again during the course of the 21st century
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 No.81639

>>81613
Please pay more attention to the latter part of my argument. France is made up of Celtic, Italic and Germanic groups with a common language and a geography unifies these groups. But there are still important biological factors. Its a white nation. Homogeneous white french neighborhoods will have better social cohesion than more diverse areas. Consider for example this study about Netherlands: (https://www.eui.eu/Documents/RSCAS/Research/MWG/200708/MWG2008-04-16LanceeDronkers.pdf ). After controlling for other factors the more ethnically diverse a person's postal code was the less they trusted their neighbors.
>>81617
You don't think people have an easier time interacting with people that share their own cultural background than foreigners?

>>81636
What can i even say? Extremely based.
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 No.81642

Well, you know my take on eugenics, but the left's failure to attack eugenics in any meaningful way shouldn't be controversial. It's abominable that the left passes itself off as revolutionary while ignoring or worse carrying water for eugenics.

Fortunately, I'm not interested in kowtowing to "leftism". I'm for whoever will kill the eugenics political program. If centrist liberals were willing to do that or at least mitigate their usual stupidity, I could tolerate liberal rule. For a lot of reasons, liberalism is tied to eugenics at this point irreversibly.

re: prisons and "justice" in general, I don't believe the present states have any legitimacy and you get what you would expect out of their institutions. I don't believe eugenicists should be permitted the benefit of legal protection at all, that the extent of their crimes is such that there needs to be a permanent tribunal that can bypass the typical legal procedures eugenics uses to obfuscate its foul agenda. I'm not under any delusion though that there is such a thing as perfectible institutions, or that this sort of extralegal action against eugenics can be justified as some ideal. It is however necessary at this point to hunt down the eugenicist, as the eugenicists have already made it clear they have no regard for law or justice in any sense of the term. Same goes for hunting down fascists, they have been coddled for far too long.

Also there's the whole abortion thing which I find even in the best of cases abhorrent, and the "abolish the family" idiots who should be ignored. The only reason both became so prominent in the left though is because the left lost any sort of cause except this bizarro social program. Then again, I also believe that as society moves on, the question of muh family will become moot because there won't be a lot of babies born in the traditional manner… but that is still in the future, and it is a future that will arrive even if eugenics were abolished. At present though, the anti-family movement is a eugenics movement, and eugenics presents itself as the wave of the future abolishing the past. I have no interest whatsoever in encouraging that faggotry (literal faggotry, often), nor an interest in evangelizing something that would only happen in the future and could only turn into a good thing if eugenics were wholly abolished. The future of reproduction will be an eternal hell if eugenics wins, as they will simply assert eugenism as the only way in which humans can reproduce and burn it into humanity permanently and forever, and because eugenics is so dominant today, to speak of the future would always be presumed to be the eugenist future unless I spend a long time explaining how eugenics could be defeated, and what would replace it. Me telling people that sexual organs and sex as a whole would become vestigial doesn't help my case any, because eugenists like to push asexuality as a "cure" for out of control reproduction.
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 No.81645

>>81642
There's literally nothing wrong with eugenics.
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 No.81646

>>81639
First you pretty much admited to my point that france is ethnically diverse by definition
>more ethnically diverse a person's postal code was the less they trusted their neighbors.
Welcome to poverty lib
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 No.81647

>>81636
>>sex is unironically disgusting and should be abolished

Hard no from me buddy, but you do you

>i like traditional gender roles and I want to have 10s of children


How do you do that if you hate Sex?

>every drugs should be banned, even tobacco and alcohol


Why? Can I atleast have one?


The rest is alright desu
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 No.81650

>>81639
People always interacted with others of different cultural backgrounds and always will.
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 No.81652

File: 1613413824092.jpg (53.04 KB, 1024x641, 7391b07c4eecaa8831064e217c….jpg)

In circumstances of total war, one becomes a legitimate target by not doing their utmost to resist. Even while doing one's utmost to resist, friendly fire remains an occupational hazard.
Furthermore, the responsibility for deaths must be assigned to the instigator of the war, not to the most immediate cause.

There is a deep moral pathology on the left that wants only to cry about the fact that it's sad people die in war, or perhaps to coat the allied powers in blood to draw up continuity with NATO in the post war era. Just this utterly embarrassing self-flagellating tendency, desperate to avoid the fact that once - maybe just once - Britain and America were doing more good than harm. This could be ignored were it not the fact that in the process of their moral masturbation they dilute the total responsibility held by the fascist governments for instigating a war they could not win and for pursuing it to the bitter end.
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 No.81657

Traditional gender roles are for men who want women to clean up after them.
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 No.81658

File: 1613414024311.jpeg (245.02 KB, 2048x885, image1.jpeg)

Relations between men and women were at their best between the 1980s and the 1990s

Fuck Third Wave idpozzed faggotry
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 No.81662

>>81646
>First you pretty much admited to my point that france is ethnically diverse by definition
Yes. But the unifying biological (and cultural) traits are important. Such as white skin and european body structure. That's my point. I don't care for muh pure germanic heritage but the racial reality of everyday life.
>Welcome to poverty lib
Did you not read my post? The study controls for economic factors.
>>81650
Most of those interactions have not ended well if we look at history kek. People have the best interactions with other cultures if they happen in a limited capacity such as traveling. Most Europeans would happily travel to Ethiopia or other African nations and eat their foods but much less Europeans would want Ethiopians in their neighborhood. Interacting with other cultures is an interesting novelty, not something you want to experience daily.
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 No.81666

>>81662
>But the unifying biological (and cultural) traits are important. Such as white skin and european body structure
Magic buzzwords
>Did you not read my post? The study controls for economic factors
you dont know what"comtrols for" means
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 No.81668

>>81662
As i said the logical conclusion of this mindset is incestuous villages with populations of 200-300
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 No.81669

>>81666
Btw europeans dont even look like eachother ,you american mutts dont even know how europe works and idolize it lol
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 No.81671

americans: all that matters is that you're white like me :)

french people: don't care that you're white european, you're british so fuck off
british people: don't care that you're white european, you're scottish so fuck off
english people: don't care that you're english, you're from the south so fuck off
northerners: don't care that you're from the north, you're from a different city to me so fuck off
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 No.81674

>>81671
I have seen many "pure blooded" south europeans who look more black than many mixed race americans
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 No.81676

>>81662
>much less Europeans would want Ethiopians in their neighborhood.
Yes because they are poor ,ask them how many want mahmoud emboko jihad666 the Aston villa winger wonderkid for neighbor
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 No.81677

>>81671
It's the same with Afro-Americans celebrating Black History Month or whatever. Like…do they think they represent the entire Black Population of the world. Burgers are really cucked when it comes to their root Nations
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 No.81678

>>81674
I would bet that most burgers would mistake southern European for Arabs
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 No.81679

>>81678
Yesterday i was talking to a customer who i could swear was indian ,i live in a working class hood so non greeks are plenty but no the guy was from crete lol
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 No.81684

>>81666
>Magic buzzwords
Magic buzzwords that cause societal unrest.
>you dont know what"comtrols for" means
elaborate.
>>81668
No it isn't people don't care nearly as much about the differences in identity between villages and cities than between nationalities and races.
>>81669
I'm European and I know the diversity of European peoples. Look at an albino African you can clearly tell he's not an European. The differences between races are more significant than between nationalities.
>>81671
That's what I'm arguing for. Cultural and ethnic homogeneity are good for a socialist society. The discussion has just derailed to race because of mixed marriages.
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 No.81685

>>81684 (me)
>I'm European and I know the diversity of European peoples. Look at an albino African you can clearly tell he's not an European. The differences between races are more significant than between nationalities.
Might i add that ethnic differences even between Europeans matter a lot.
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 No.81686

>>81684
>I'm European and I know the diversity of European peoples
Doubt

>Cultural and ethnic homogeneity are good for a socialist society.


why?
>cause societal unrest.
So does football and CLASS cause most things are based on material reality
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 No.81690

>>81678
that's because they carry a lot of middle eastern SNPs. there was a paper on the other board that basically demonstrated that southern europeans are more "middle eastern" than any form of european. diversity is a simple reality, unless you are from some uncontacted tribe or something.
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 No.81691

>>81686
Im Finnish for the record. I have already explained why i think homogeneity is good for a socialist society. refer to >>81441 and >>81639

A more homogeneous society will have better trust, less crime and a better sense of community.
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 No.81693

>>81691
You were wrong
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 No.81696

>>81693
elaborate
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 No.81697

>>81691
>will have better trust, less crime and a better sense of community.
Those have all material explanations
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 No.81699

>>81691
I concur to some degree, but I fail to see how your concept of "homogeneity" would extend past the cultural frameworks and "everyone kind of looks similar enough". moreover, educating people in marxist theory would make issues of "low-trust" and "high-trust" nonsense irrelevant.
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 No.81702

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>>81684
>The differences between races are more significant than between nationalities.
>people don't care nearly as much about the differences in identity between villages and cities than between nationalities and races
>ethnic differences even between Europeans matter a lot.
Those poltard mental gymnastics damn.So we end up that we should organize in the basis of race and forget about nationality.
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 No.81703

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>>81691
>Im Finnish
Oh…..sorry i didn't know
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 No.81708

>>81697
No they don't. People are biologically wired to recognize people that look like themselves more easily and to feel more sympathy for you own kind. Even babies have prejudice. These don't go away with better material conditions since they have evolved through quite a long process.
>>81702
What mental gymnastics? ethnicity>nationality>race>other group identities>species>etc.
>>81699
>cultural frameworks and "everyone kind of looks similar enough"
this is what I'm arguing for.
>moreover, educating people in marxist theory would make issues of "low-trust" and "high-trust" nonsense irrelevant.
I don't really see how this is the case.
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 No.81710

>>81708
>People are biologically wired to recognize people that look like themselves more easily and to feel more sympathy for you own kind. Even babies have prejudice. These don't go away with better material conditions since they have evolved through quite a long process.


Lol no,proofs?
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 No.81713

>>81708
>ethnicity>nationality>race>other group identities>species>etc.


Then why stop at race, for some reason you like race more than the other two
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 No.81715

>>81708
racism is not biologically predetermined retard. Just look at how often racial prejudice has shifted targets over the years. Racism and bigotry are also associated with low intelligence according to scientific research.
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 No.81718

>>81713
Btw races,ethnicities and nationalities are all equally fake identities
If we had a counry based on religion ,like we have or based on homelands, like we have , the whole thing works the same
Tommorow we can make a country based on liking anime and in 100 years people will consider it a nationality
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 No.81866

>>81710
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect
https://www.utoronto.ca/news/racial-bias-may-begin-babies-six-months-u-t-research-reveals
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108582/
Here you go.
>>81717
>>81702
What I'm trying to say is most Europeans feel much less trust in an African in their neighborhood than a fellow European from a different culture. They would of course feel the most comfortable with a fellow countrymen that shares their cultural background. The biggest difference is race. Nationality will divide people less. Though that should also be taken into an account.
>>81715
To learn the truth about race you need to do research that most wont make. Higher IQ people believe science more so when they get told that biological equality is the scientific consensus they go with that. People with higher IQs also have higher social-economic status so they have to interact less with different races. Funnily enough Finland is one of the most intelligent countries in Europe yet also one of the most racist ones. Also research shows that in Finland more educated people tend to oppose immigration more. Make of that what you will.
>>81718
As i said these group identities can be formed around religion but ethnicity has been a more important factor throughout history.
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 No.81874

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 No.81890

>>81866
Ethnicity is a modern idea you idiot expect if you mean the mythic idea of tribal common ancestors
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 No.81898

>>81866
BTW no one talked about familiarity, we talk about acceptance and trust
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 No.81909

>>81866
So again if babies of parents from different provinces are ok then babies of parents from different countries of the same "race" are also ok and then people of the same race can fuck between themselves like rabbits and blur their national identities in the way like what happened in provisional cultures during the formation of the modern nation states.
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 No.81912

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 No.81925

Oh joy, another Euro race-faggot and muh biology eugenist takes. It's so cute that Euros pretend their shitty little countries are anything other than client states of America at this point, and that the socdem consensus always existed. Euro-honkies have been at each others throats and fought over the stupidest shit, an example us Americans explicitly didn't want to follow, however stupid we might be.
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 No.81926

>>81925
Are you even a communist?
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 No.81936

>>81890
That's exactly what I'm talking about, tribal and ethnic identities have been the in groups alongside class that people have had the strongest connections to throughout history.
>>81909
I dont see that happening anytime soon and ofc the acceptance of immigrant families between the same race will go down if there are too many of them and they start to "blur national identities"
>>81912
The article you linked doesn't really debunk the results it just the disputes notion of racism.
Fron the article
<So, babies aren't racist, they just act based on the familiar. And in a world so big and confusing for a baby, can you blame them?
Ofc you can desensitize babies to foreign people but you can desensitize people to everything their deep instincts consider threats. Peoples instincts consider snakes to be a natural threat but some people still keep snakes as pets. These deep instincts quite likely influence the birth of phobias such as ophidiophobia(the fear of snakes) and xenophobia.
>>81925
Make an argument any time.
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 No.81939

>>81925
The secret of European social democracy is that it was based on middle class selfishness more than anything else, and like the liberals and progressives, it sound to sort out the poor into grades of who deserves what. That program had a limited life span, however long it took to build that class of technical workers that would perpetuate what would become eugenism. Socdems are chasing their tail trying to explain their own lies, and some dumb fools are acting like it was a surprise when social democracy collapsed on schedule. The reality is that the socdem state is pretty garbo unless you're part of that class that can go on to university. The big free money stuff, retirement and disability payments, come with strings attached. In the former, the retirement age is set high enough that you never collect unless you have private pensions, and in the latter, disabled status is tied to harsh legal restrictions on what you can do and where you can go in life, and even getting the money you are entitled to is an ordeal (just so you can live the rest of your life being kicked around for easy political points, and maybe find some peace outside of Society).

>>81926
I don't know what that has to do with anything I wrote.
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 No.81942

>>81936
Babies don't have any idea what "race" is. Their sense of biological affinity is basically for those that are family, and you're making that into something more than it is even then. Humans are too adaptable to say asinine shit like "MUH GENES ENCODE FOR BEHAVIOR LIKE A COMPUTER PROGRAM" and other eugenist faggotry.
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 No.81943

>>81939
>I don't know what that has to do with anything I wrote

Nothing. I just want to know
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 No.81945

>>81936
>ofc the acceptance of immigrant families between the same race will go down if there are too many of them and they start to "blur national identities"
Why ?you repetitively said that race is more important
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 No.81946

>>81936
Omg you are way dumber than I expected
Back in the day Finland didn't exist, finish people killed each other and each tribe had a belief of a common ancestor that's how tribes formed, now tribes were often in confederations so the idea was mesnigles
If you think that and modern nations are in any way similar you are braindead
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 No.81947

>>81943
I said it upthread - whoever kills eugenists is my friend. If liberals would do that, I wouldn't have that much argument against them. Liberals can't do that though; they are pathologically unable to.

I don't believe "communism" is necessarily a goal to unite behind, nor do I subscribe to an economist view of human behavior. The struggles we fight are primarily political, about matters which are not negotiable in a market setting. If you could uphold the commoners' dignity, then it would be self-evident that the free trade system is stupid and should be abolished; and if you can't uphold the commoners' dignity and freedoms, then you are lacking a credible argument against the free trade system, since the logic of Social Darwinism would take hold and the market would be a proxy for that. All existing defenses of capitalism are really defenses of social Darwinism and eugenics, and nakedly so. So, I don't know how you can advance a communist program and not be totally opposed to eugenism in all its manifestations, but if you defeat eugenism then capitalism doesn't have much argument for its continuation anyway. We never had to do things through this absurd world market arrangement that is so obviously built to benefit a few exploiters at the top.
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 No.81949

>>81939
>and in the latter, disabled status is tied to harsh legal restrictions on what you can do and where you can go in life, and even getting the money you are entitled to is an ordeal
this wasn't true until relatively recently. in the British case for example the opposite was true: disability benefit was used to mask long term unemployment figures in the 1990s after getting unemployment benefit was made harder. (this was essentially officially sanctioned. get the job-center adviser to just suggest to the ex miner that maybe he should ask his doctor for a sick note, since then he wouldn't have to keep coming in…)
It wasn't until something like 2008 that they then introduced kafkaesque nightmare tests where they ask people with no limbs to come in for a re-assessment every few months or suggest that the blind become forklift drivers.

when you pretend that the reforms of the comparatively recent past are some eternal law all you do is spread a sort of miserablism that winds up reinforcing the idea that we've never had it better than we have it now. (the same is as true across national boundaries as it is across chronological ones. "europe isn't actually that good!" is the worst of yank cope.)
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 No.81950

>>81936
Familiar has nothing to do with genes you subhuman snow nigger, it says if a baby no matter it's race is raised on an environment of gingers then gingers will seem trustworthy
Not that a ginger baby sees non gingers as subhuman
And if a baby is raised in a multiracial environment then this bias is eradicated
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 No.81952

>>81949
You obviously don't quite understand what disability law entails. It's easy to pretend it doesn't matter when it's out of sight, out of mind for the privileged minority. The eugenics laws had their precedent back in the 1990s (and the US like Europe pushed welfare recipients to disability, precisely because those people failed and had to be sorted - it was cheaper to pay them off temporarily then to put people into extermination camps, until such a time that those camps could be built and filled, and by encouraging a culture of death, many on disability would die off in a few years anyway).

It's just the comfortable middle class that still believes in the delusions that social democracy ever "worked". To the commoner, social democracy was always a poisoned chalice, by which a welfare state would nudge and cajole poor people into modifying their behavior, putting those poor people in a rigged game where the "benefactors" knew 90%+ would fail and be sorted into the caste of excess persons and disposed of at some future date. Remember, eugenics has been a project for over a century, and its logic informed the social democrats when the socdems won some political power.
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 No.81954

>>81691
>I’m Finnish
Bullshit. Everyone knows Finland isn’t real.
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 No.81956

>>81947
So what are your views on stuff like Feminism, LGBT, Nationalism etc.
You know…the idpol stuff
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 No.81959

>>81942
Babies have a sense of biological affinity for people that look like their parents and a distrust of people that look foreign- Cope, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect
>>81945
Why can't Americans understand that A and B can both have an effect on something even though A is more important than B.
Race divides people more than nationality, but nationality divides people though its much less important.
>>81946
lol. Sure Finnish tribes have fought between themselves but have also united based on ethnic similarity and tribal folk religious beliefs against foreign invaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Finnish_wars
>>81950
Genes don't effect they way people look and how familiar they are? I'm talking about how people that look very different and have a different culture get along together.
>>81954
Reddit moment
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 No.81961

>>81959
> A and B can both have an effect on something even though A is more important than B
A literally contains B based retard
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 No.81962

>>81952
absolutely no engagement with the actual example, just a dodge and then back on to re-stating your original point unhindered. excellent work.
i've got a question for you wise guy: if we're being governed by eugenicists, why haven't you been eugenicised.
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 No.81963

>>81959
>>81959
No both studies say that's its about the family that raises a baby, black kid raised by white parents will find white faces more recognizable, but that bias is small, as the study I posted shows kids will end up choosing a face based on other influences than race
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 No.81965

What’s my most radical belief?

Marxism is a methodology and science for analyzing socioeconomic development and taking action to realize the desired results. People who call themselves Leninists or Maoists or whatever are idealists who don’t understand that the political recommendations of the former were applications of Marxist social science to the material conditions of their society, not some recipe for the one true socialism.
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 No.81967

why can't you just let POC move into your neighborhood?
Diversity is a good thing anon
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 No.81969

>>81967
The funny this is that ethnic homogenity is meaningless as far as politics go, there is no evidence that multiracial societies that are socialist face more problems than mono racial socialist societies
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 No.81970

>>81967
It’s not a good thing. It’s not a bad thing either. It’s
just a thing.
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 No.81978

>>81956
All of them are dumb, but "idpol" has always been a red herring, mostly from confused middle class people who can't bring themselves to make a meaningful criticism of eugenics, or who secretly (or not so secretly) praise eugenics. Sexual politics in all its forms is screamingly eugenist. Nationalism so far as it still exists is inherent to the construction of democratic politics, but since democracy is dying, so will the nation-state as it has existed. The global, trans-national order is avowedly anti-democratic and wants to dominate the world. But all this race-autism and the "nationalism" of the right is a cynical play for middle class support. It isn't even actual nationalism in the sense that such a thing existed historically, just like Nazi Germany was really just a project of transnational financiers who wanted eugenism and the first "biologically correct" polity.

>>81962
I am forced to not have a family, forced out of almost all meaningful social participation, and barely live what could be called a life on this meager income. Have I not been effectively "eugenicized"? The entirely of my life, so far as the social controllers are concerned, is that I will be publicly humiliated. The charity handed to me is always handed out with seething contempt, and when I'm away the same politicians handing me charity convince middle class people like you to kill me, humiliate me, hate me, because I have the gall to continue existing at all. Most people like myself would have committed suicide a long time ago, and that's precisely where people like myself went by and large during the past few decades.

All this talk of pretending social democracy worked is just the benefactors of social democracy gloating and insisting that poors should voot for "their interests". It's easy to say the institutions work when you're part of that small strata that has been chosen for social elevation, or at least the pretense of elevation. It's not you who has to beg for disabled status, simply so that you can kicked around by society for the remainder of your life.

If it were really about giving people free shit, there wouldn't even be the pretense of special entitlements. It would be straight up everyone receiving a share of income for existing, which would by definition guarantee a living standard for the disabled and needy. There wouldn't be this mechanism where people are threatened and cajoled into working the way they are. But the socdems, nor the communists, don't want that to stop at any point. The whole point of the economic order would be to compel those filthy lower class people to work, and to sort out those who are not even fit to be exploited. That's been the problem with communism, that on some level the communists don't really want to put an end to the endless cajoling of people, who are made to work on projects of dubious worth to anyone except the vanity of a middle class. If communists would understand this and adjust their visions of the future to be less poisoned by the left's history of social engineering projects and positivism, they'd probably win a lot more adherents, and I don't think it's impossible for communists to do this (whereas liberals are hopelessly in service to eugenism at this point and couldn't save themselves if they tried their hardest).
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 No.81980

>>81961
Not necessarily. America is ofc a melting pot of different races. For some groups B is more important, but at a societal level A triumphs.
>>81967
It's not. That's what i have been arguing about. Consider for example this study about Netherlands: (https://www.eui.eu/Documents/RSCAS/Research/MWG/200708/MWG2008-04-16LanceeDronkers.pdf ). After controlling for other factors the more ethnically diverse a person's postal code was the less they trusted their neighbors. Also read my original post: >>81441
>>81969
We don't really have anything to compare.
>>81963
How does that contradict what i said earlier:
>Babies have a sense of biological affinity for people that look like their parents and a distrust of people that look foreign
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 No.81988

>>81978
You really are obsessed with Eugenics
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 No.81989

>>81980
You said it was about genetics
Also Netherlands study shows poor people are more afraid of their nehgbors
You can't control in for example if every postal code has equal wealth
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 No.81990

>>81978
>Have I not been effectively "eugenicized"?
not while i have to listen to you, no.
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 No.81992

>>81160
Eugenics isn`t that bad if done correctly

Just look at how countries like iceland have basically no people with downs syndrome
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 No.81993

>>81990
Oh noes, your precious FEELINGS. The whole eugenist order is fueled by middle class vanity!
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 No.81995

>>81993
stop replying to me.
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 No.81998

>>81992
Down's is a mutation/birth defect dingus. You can't "eugenize" it away, short of exterminating everyone that shows the defect.

>>81995
No.
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 No.82001

>>81989
>You said it was about genetics
Maybe i could have used more concise language. But ultimately i'm talking about how people that look very different and have a different culture get along together. And IMO not very well. Here's another study that also controls for factors that could skew the result. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x
>>81992

this
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 No.82002

>>81998
If its detectable prior to birth, just give mothers the ressources to screen for it and a majority will choose to abort, especially in secular countries.

It avoids a lot of suffering and is not forced in any way. You are just giving people a choice.
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 No.82003

>>82001
All these studies say that the more people are exposed to other ethnicities the more they accept them duh
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 No.82005

>>82001
In general, it isn't really an issue it seems, not trusting your neighbor has more to do with economics than spooks and you agreed that race and ethnicities are spooks
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 No.82006

>>82001
I can imagine that maybe the whole fact that the diversity is caused by immigration, a process that defines an "other" might skew the example.

Is there any studies in areas where people of different ethnicities have lived along each other for a long time and have the same economic standing?
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 No.82011

>>82006
The most common retort for the naziburger is to talk about chinatowns
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 No.82015

>>82011
China towns are actually quite diverse
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 No.82016

Who you think you are, what you identify as is, is an erroneous chatter of no consequence.

Ideas do not make the world go round. Fuck "being a good person". You can keep your hands clean because others get their hands dirty for the work you benefit form.
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 No.82017

>>82006
I think it's flawed to speak of race/ethnicity as interchangeable. Jews and Muslims - and the latter is a RELIGIOUS rather than a racial definition - are very conscious about assimilation into Christian or secular culture. Nor are those Christian or secular cultures neutral, or somehow privileged as the "default". If you put say Frenchmen and Englishmen and Germans in a single country, you're dealing with something different. Nor do you see a whole lot of tension, at least today, between people of Chinese descent and white people in America; further, the particular autism Americans have regarding black people stems entirely from the institution of slavery and the butthurt lost causers.

Funny thing about American "homogeneity" is that is a thoroughly 20th century construction, that was consciously built by the schooling institution. They needed to impose a "white", "American" identity on a bunch of white people who really didn't have that much in common, because nativism and potential loyalties to the old country were considered problematic. As to the story that people were somehow better if they were homogenized, the endless stories of Europeans at each others throats within a nation-state, let alone between each other, pulverizes that theory rather quickly. European social democracy "worked" only for a brief period, and during that period the European countries were basically client states of America.
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 No.82018

>>82015
And extremely poor
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 No.82020

>>82017
Since ideology overcomes primitive identities a socialist society will be multiracial
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 No.82024

the concept of "fair punishment" is absurd if it doesnt solve the problem.

Justice and Prison Systems should be purely rehabilitative and protective instead of feels-based vindictiveness or mercy. In cases where rehabiliation is truly not possible people should be kept away indefinitely.

If a someone gets caught for a minor crime but it would take 20 years to rehabilitate, then thats the sentence. If a murderer would take a day to be rehabilitated, then he stays for a day.

Of course such a system would need some sort of omniscient panel of experts with perfect insight into the psychology of every individual. We arent quite there yet, but our understanding of Humans gets better by the day so we should definitely work towards that direction.
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 No.82027

>>82020
Any sufficiently large society would be multiracial. Racial purity is a nonsense spook and a form of faggotry. I'm trying to explain why this "homogeneity" theory has its roots in eugenism, and why it is so persistent even though it's easy to debunk. It's not a matter of ideology even. Capitalist societies understood a long time ago that upholding racial segregation was a stupid strategy, which is why the federal government of the United States went out of its way to abandon the position and impose it on the South. Only problem with that is that eugenism as a social system necessarily pits people against each other in endless competition, and in such an environment, any criteria to form an in-group will be seized upon. Eugenism is the only reason Americans' race-autism got a new lease on life, when it looked for a while like white people could finally get over themselves.
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 No.82028

>>82006
But how long does a socialist society need to wait until the immigrants become properly "integrated" The romani people have been in Finland for 500 years and they are still the "other" even though attempts to integrate them have been made.

Anyway I'll log off soon.
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 No.82029

>>82027
Eugenicism this, Eugenicism that. Would you should up for a second and move your autism to Reddit or some place where would have to deal with you?
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 No.82033

>>82028
Romanis want to be a integrated, they started as slaves and then became nomads, they aren't even a race they are extremely multiracial and many settled like my grandparents and became exactly the same as the majority
The fact that you don't know the material realities of nomadic or gehtto life as well as urban romanis like myself (1/4) makes me think you should shut up
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 No.82036

>>82028
>But how long
No clue, thats why I was asking if you knew any research
>romani people
you mean like sinti and roma? gypsies?
I think the Nomadic and sedentary groups have historically been unable to coexist without general mistrust. It transcends race. Their material interests are simply too different.
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 No.82037

>>81980
Did you go through what you’ve read, bucko? From https://www.eui.eu/Documents/RSCAS/Research/MWG/200708/MWG2008-04-16LanceeDronkers.pdf

>In table three we present an analogous multilevel analysis explaining inter-ethnic trust. Model one shows a negative uni-variate relationship between ethnic diversity and trust in the neighborhood. Model two shows that Surinames and Antilleans, but also second generation immigrants, have higher ethnic trust than natives, while second generations immigrants have higher inter-ethnic trust as first generation or natives. After addition of individual characteristics (which all have the usual effect on inter-ethnic trust) the negative effect of ethnic neighborhoods’ diversity becomes insignificant. This later result is remarkable and it remains insignificant also after the addition of zip code and municipality variables. Having ethnically different neighbors increases one’s interethnic trust as model six shows. Also with respect to inter-ethnic trust we tested with interaction terms whether or not the relation between ethnic diversity and inter-ethnic trust is different for the ethnic groups. This appeared not to be the case (not shown here): the relation between ethnic diversity and inter-ethnic trust is the same for immigrant and native residents. Neither there was a significant interaction term between the Herfindahl Index and the ethnicity of the neighbors on inter-ethnic trust.

>Our results support that trust in neighbors and trust in neighborhood cannot be equalized with inter-ethnic trust. The first two forms of trust are negatively influenced by the ethnic diversity of the neighborhood and neighbors, while the latter is positively influence by having ethnically different neighbors.
> However, individual trust in neighbors and neighborhoods is something else than trust in other ethnic groups than one’s own. Individual trust in neighbors and neighborhoods does not correlate significantly with inter-ethnic trust. This is reflected in our results: the neighborhood’s ethnic diversity has no negative effect on the level of interethnic-trust; the same holds for the ethnic diversity of neighbors. In contrast, having ethnically different neighbors increases inter-ethnic trust, as predicted by the ‘Inter-group theory’. Inter-group theory originates from Allport (1979) and is lately extended by Pettigrew (1998). Inter-group theory states that the positive impact of contact between different (ethnic) groups is at a maximum when five conditions are met: equal status between groups, common goals to be reached, inter-group cooperation, support of laws and customs and the potential to friendship. Contact between neighbors might meet a few of these conditions of a positive impact of contact between different (ethnic) groups, like equal status, common goals and cooperation.
>Often European political elites find it difficult to distinguish between these different forms of (dis)trust and lump them together as racism. As a consequence they deny or censure complains about the negative effects of ethnic diversity on the quality of neighborhoods as manifestations of racism. This denial or censure of the negative effects of neighborhoods’ ethnic diversity on wrong grounds (racism) might explain the disenchantment of natives in ethnically diverse neighborhoods of mainstream politics and their tendency for extreme voting behavior.
Another interesting conclusion from our analysis is that policies aiming at promoting ethnically diverse neighborhoods in order to promote ethnic integration at the societal level might have an unintended inverse effect of decreasing individual trust in these neighbourhoods (compare with Musterd, 2003).
>The explanation of these results might be the high importance of bridging social capital, especially in ethnic diverse neighborhoods in combination with the higher cost of forming bridging social capital. The lack of bridging social capital in ethnically divers neighborhoods seems to be a more important explanation than the amount of bonding social capital. A related explanation might be the language diversity in ethnically diverse neighborhoods, which makes the forming of bridging social capital difficult and thus decreases the trust (Leigh, 2006).
TL;DR distrust of one’s neighbors and neighborhood don’t mean distrust of other ethnic groups, “ethnic distrust” itself is not homogenous across all ethnic groups and immigration statuses and that when you establish circumstances that foster cooperative interaction between ethnic groups, this distrust goes down right quick.
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 No.82038

>>82037
oooh someone actually read the source, dont see that every day
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 No.82040

>>82027
Why eugenism and not, say, social darwinism?
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 No.82041

>>82038
Don’t fuck with grad students and orthodox marxists. Reading and sifting the wheat from the chaff is what I do all day every day.
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 No.82042

>>82029
I don't know why you're such a triggered baby.

>>82024
There is no such thing as "pure institutions". Who decides the standards of rehabilitation, and does this extend to political crimes (it probably would)? Absent any sobering influence, scientism leads to some horrifying conclusions of what will be considered a crime.
Personally, if someone is a serial killer, I say kill them and get them out of sight. It's a sign of a sick society that such people are even tolerated. Maybe if I take a more enlightened view, they could live out their lives in some prison-city where we would put the problematic people, maybe they can have some life in that environment. You can't get rid of the necessity of vindictiveness if you're dealing with something like a criminal court. Someone who would kill as some sort of sport or game, or someone who kills for eugenics, must be treated as an enemy, rather than treating all as indiscriminately part of the same family. If in a society it becomes impossible to hate its enemies, what then does that society have to stand for?
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 No.82047

>>82040
Social Darwinism is an expression of eugenism. Without the eugenic theory and program, Social Darwinism doesn't have a whole lot to stand on, since it is after all called Darwinism and not just plain of struggle for struggle's sake.
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 No.82062

>>82027
>United States went out of its way to abandon the position and impose it on the South
It really didn't, radical Reconstruction never caught on at all, and the North pretty much allowed slavery to exist again with the sharecropping system, Jim Crow, etc
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 No.82067

>>82062
Speaking more of the 1950s and onward, where the federal government was imposing desegregation and the civil rights act.
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 No.82070

>>82042
the "pure institutions" argument can also be applied to a punishment based system.
>who decides the standards of rehabilitation
experts ofc, scientists, psychologists etc. they are the most qualified to say what is necessary to rehabilitate them. Are they to be coddled in blankets and given milk and cookies? or are they to slave away in siberian labor camps? Whatever shows the best results in a peer reviewed study with control groups.
It would probably be best if politics would be kept out of it, especially to prevent "political crimes" to become part of it. Politicians also bring all sorts of brainrot with them.

>Personally, if someone is a serial killer, I say kill them and get them out of sight

but why? you just loose an additional person, someone society has probably invested quite a bit of ressources into. They could still prove to be useful. kill them for what? so that a few people feel better? It makes no sense.

>If in a society it becomes impossible to hate its enemies, what then does that society have to stand for?

A society is there to maximise the wellbeing of its members. I dont see how it should be any different with the justice system. Punishment for Punishment sake is petty and achieves nothing other than virtue signaling.
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 No.82075

>>82070
Pure scientism rot, pure positivism. You really don't know what you're talking about. It's a persistent disease among leftists.
To top it off, you're obsessing over utility, as if utilitarianism was the point. You do understand where utilitarianism leads, right? I don't give a shit about maximizing utility or turning all society into a panopticon-prison in which the subjects of society's ruling class are perfectly controlled. The state's only legitimacy in pursuing criminal charges is protect the common people from a threat in their midst, not for the state to decide how to maximize everyone's utility function. The latter path leads inexorably to fascism and eugenism.
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 No.82082

>>82027
>Capitalist societies understood a long time ago that upholding racial segregation was a stupid strategy
>[Capitalism] pits people against each other in endless competition, and in such an environment, any criteria to form an in-group will be seized upon
Why not connect the two and two together and realize immigrants from poorer nations drive down the wages of white workers. Diversity hinders solidarity and reduces workers to mere individual consumers with no real identity.
>>82033
Romanis have good opportunities to integrate in Finland and even when they do integrate they are still seen as the "other"
>>82037
<Another interesting conclusion from our analysis is that policies aiming at promoting ethnically diverse neighborhoods in order to promote ethnic integration at the societal level might have an unintended inverse effect of decreasing individual trust in these neighborhoods (compare with Musterd, 2003).
Diversity still lowers trust between neighbor even though it increases inter-ethnic trust. If the bike gets stolen from you by ethnic minority but you don't know it's the minority that stole the bike you will trust your neighbors less. You just see the good people belonging to a minority during daylight. These minorities can have an invisible effect. Of course we are talking here about ethnic groups and not races which i consider more important. Studies like this paint a more negative picture: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x
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 No.82086

>>82082
Forgot to add that I think that study makes a convincing case for the homogeneity side of the argument. Even though people get more exposure to diversity, their attitudes improve and they become less racist, social cohesion still deteriorates.
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 No.82092

>>82082
You substituting eugenism with capitalism is the problem with that. Eugenism doesn't just encourage competition, it encourages endless intercine warfare and encourages a society to devour its own. It is something different from simple pursuit of the profit imperative, but eugenists like you take this eugenist position for granted as the ineffable truth of how society ought to be organized.
The reality is that the people who are pushed out of work in the native population are not wanted. Eugenism has already decided that those people aren't fit to be exploited, and so they are to be specifically denied a means of income except paltry state charity, which can be revoked at any time and is always attached to humiliating conditions. Most of the people pushed out of work are meant to stay unemployed forever, and in the eyes of the ruling class, they should die off sooner rather than later. The immigrant, on the other hand, simply isn't a necessary part of the social structure at all. If those immigrants could be utilized to pursue eugenic goals, then it would be encouraged.
The "immigrants drive down wages" argument was a simplistic Malthusian one, but real unemployment was 20% before covid world began, most of them permanently unemployable. There were plenty of native workers to be exploited, and they are already broken to the point where they will accept the sub-minimum wage that immigrants are working for. That is exactly what is happening in America right now, as immigrants are getting the fuck out of America; native workers are going to work on the farm because the immigrant monopoly on those jobs is breaking (and before, immigrants would chase native workers off the farm, because the immigrants knew they had to defend this gig no matter how shitty it was). The formation of a serf caste has already begun, which I suppose is something you enjoy since you're eugenist and all. There is still yet more room for eugenism to win victories, and the goal of the eugenist would be to force the disabled population to work to the bone in extermination-through-labor arrangements. It will even be sold as "progressive legislation", "helping the disabled return to work". (Should remember the last time that was attempted, the government flat out lied and started relitigating claimants' cases after they were told the government would specifically not do that, and those who made the mistake of trying to better their life were punished and kicked back down, as planned.)
As for "consumers with no real identity", welcome to capitalism, you fucking retard. That's what people are in capitalist societies. What, you thought Porky gave a single shit about the lower classes in the slightest? You really, really haven't been paying attention.

Middle class drivel, all of it.
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 No.82097

>>82075
Why bring up utility all of a sudden? I'm afraid you are misunderstanding my point. Its not about maximising utility (what for?) its about maximising wellbeing and happiness. If you arent for wellbeing or happiness, than what is society for?

That is why I agree completely that the states only legitimacy in pursuing crime is to protect the populace. You cant be well without feeling safe. Thats why i am against the concept of a "fair punishment". It could be that a brutal murderer is rehabilitated within months to the extent that he can be quaranteed to never harm anyone again. Keeping him in Prison or killing him would be a waste of a Person that could be a perfectly happy and productive member of society. If a minor criminal shows signs of violent behavior that could get a lot worse in the future and he doesnt seem to be able to be rehabilitated at the moment, he should be kept away from the rest. That is the only logical way to keep people safe.

>you want fascism

you are the one calling to kill people because "society needs to hate its enemy"
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 No.82105

>>82097
> Its not about maximising utility (what for?) its about maximising wellbeing and happiness.
"Maximize happiness" is textbook utilitarianism, and it's a sign of how far gone we are that nearly everyone in the Anglo world is obsessed with this maximization of happiness and general hedonism, and cannot imagine a society run by any other principle.
The point of the state or society isn't to make people happy. In the present order, Society as a whole is the greatest menace most people face in their lives, a wholly hostile force that is beyond any reform or revolution. What good exists in the world is in spite of Society, especially its positivist versions that make a religion out of science. The state can choose to help people, but it cannot make people good by brute force.

Frankly, most things in this world should not be criminal offenses, or require the state to rule over what someone should do at all. Any collective, socialist economy is going to require the voluntary association of a lot of people, rather than a domineering caste of managers telling us what to do every step of the way. Most of your "minor crime" like vandalizing a street sign is so fucking petty that it shouldn't even figure into a criminal record that follows someone everywhere they go for the rest of their life, or whatever positivist nightmare-world you're trying to create.

You're enmeshed in this subordination-to-the-collective, subordination-to-the-state model out of Plato's Republic. It's not communism, it's fascism, and it ubiquitous since it is the ruling ideas of eugenism.
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 No.82108

>>82086
>Social cohesion deteriorates.
Because of ethnic diversity? Correlation doesn’t equal causation and I’d really like to know a mechanism.

Your thinking is undialectical, immaterial and pathologically ideological. You acknowledge that the understanding of the social categories of ingroup-outgroup identity and kinship is subject to change, but backpedal when forced to confront one teeny tiny little ideological spook that was invented in the 18th-century.
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 No.82112

>>82086
>social cohesion
Ah yes, class conflict
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 No.82116

>>82092
>The reality is that the people who are pushed out of work in the native population are not wanted.
I don't see people hating on jobless people if they are unemployed due to no fault of their own.
>in the eyes of the ruling class, they should die off sooner rather than later
The ruling class needs desperate people to lower the bargaining power of workers.
>The "immigrants drive down wages" argument was a simplistic Malthusian one
https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/brexit-imigration-and-exploitation/

I don't really care for the rest of the eugenism drivel, but i wanted to respond to these.

>>82108
As I alluded to before they can have an invisible effect. Minorities can have an effect that deteriorates cohesion even though you might only be able to see the negative effects but not the cause. Stuff is missing but you don't know who took it. Crime rate is up but you don't see perpetrators. etc.

>>82112
>social cohesion
Solidarity between workers
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 No.82117

>>82108
Correlation over causation is a eugenist calling card, because looking at anything mechanistically would destroy their stupid world-system.
Anyway, defining and quantizing something like "social cohesion" is a flawed methodology from the outset, as is as I said the treatment of all ethnic markers as identical (however they may be defined). When you talk about say black integration in America, you're talking about a very real history that you can't just pretend didn't happen, that you can't replace with some race-essence faggotry; and this particular relationship has been very, very one-sided, since the vast majority of black people in America want nothing more than to be Americans like everyone else, and black nationalism is remarkably uncommon. If you take something like the Jews in Germany, who resisted assimilation for their own reasons, you have a very different history and different tensions; and even then, the whole race-struggle autism was a peculiarity of National Soycialism, and Judaism was often a proxy for attacking communists or political rivals of the Nazis.
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 No.82127

>>82116
AHAHAHA, you are really fucking sheltered. I just explained to you the reality that there are already throngs of desperate people who have been rendered permanently unemployed. Immigrants do not add anything to that, because they're simply not part of the structure of society. Native workers weren't considered for the jobs immigrants take. Stop trying to import the EU's particular bullshit as the universal standard of how these things work. (And from the Eurocrats' perspective, there are no Englishmen or Poles or anything, there are only European subjects of an anti-democratic union.)

It's funny how eugenists work. When it suits them, races are interchangeable and arbitrary names, and when it suits them, races have an essence and are pitted in eternal race-struggle regardless of history.

And there you go again with this mythical cohesion number, without defining what that is supposed to even mean. The likely explanation is that cosmopolitan, urban environments are much different from suburban environments, which are different from college towns, which are different from rural farms. Urban life is naturally less "cohesive" however you define such a term (which is another one of those things where eugenists play all sorts of mental gymnastics). But never in eugenism can you speak of society's mechanistic actions, or actual causative effects. Everything is correlation, so it can be reduced to mystified genes in a perpetual gene-struggle as ordained by Saint Darwin.
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 No.82130

>>82116
>This just in, minorities are the prime suspect for all the bad things that happen in the world.
Listen, you blonde uralic mongoloid, the scapegoating of people, often condoned or directed by authority figures and institutions to cover their own ass, doesn’t mean that getting rid of the ethnically homogenous workers will remove strife. If anything, the powers that be will find someone else to blame.

Social cohesion’s already a meme in class society. And if you think that ethnic homogeneity is the foundation of worker solidarity look at ethnically homogenous countries like Japan and tell me that the worker movement’s been strong there.
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 No.82156

>>82127
Fucking based.
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 No.82163

>>82105
>"Maximize happiness" is textbook utilitarianism
Call it what you want, its the only rational way of organizing society. Every system follows this in one way or the other.
> nearly everyone in the Anglo world is obsessed with this maximization of happiness and general hedonism
well, I am not anglo, in fact, of all of the societies I was fortunate enough to take part in, none have been anglo. many have actually been actively anti-anglo.
Also I dont believe in Hedonism, I generally believe that in many cases Hedonism and wellbeing are completely opposed. Temperance and mindfulness can lead to a much happier existence than mindless hedonism.

>the point of society isn't to make people happy

then what is? I find it very questionable that for you, the state's only job is to execute the unworthy.
>in the present order…
well ofc the present order is bad, as it doesnt seem to maximize wellbeing, but rather to generate profit support the rotting carcass of late stage capitalism.

>Frankly, most things in this world should not be criminal offenses, or require the state to rule over what someone should do at all

I agree with you, a lot of modern "crime fighting" doesnt maximize wellbeing, it much rather does the opposite. A light hand in governance is also very likely to increase fullfillment and wellbeing.
>Any collective, socialist economy is going to require the voluntary association of a lot of people, rather than a domineering caste of managers telling us what to do every step of the way.
I am not an Anarchist. I believe a transitionary system would probably be in order before getting there. If the present order can tell us anything, it is that such a system is unlikely to work right now.

>Most of your "minor crime" like vandalizing a street sign is so fucking petty

Never did I say that that was what I would perceive as "minor crime". I generally believe that things should only be considered a crime if they directly harm someone. I kept it vague because I simply wanted to say "something less bad than rape, murder and the likes". If someone beats up someone else, and further psychological evaluation shows that this person will be a danger to those around him, he should be kept away from the rest.

>You're enmeshed in this subordination-to-the-collective, subordination-to-the-state model out of Plato's Republic. It's not communism, it's fascism, and it ubiquitous since it is the ruling ideas of eugenism.

Again putting things in my mouth. How am I enmeshed in subordination-to-the-collective/state? you are the one who wants the collective/state to kill people.
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 No.82174

>>82127
The study accounts for home-ownership
>Stop trying to import the EU's particular bullshit as the universal standard of how these things work.
I'm European and operate from that perspective.
>>82130
>This just in, minorities are the prime suspect for all the bad things that happen in the world.
That's definitely not what i'm trying to convey here. Quit being obtuse.
>often condoned or directed by authority figures and institutions to cover their own ass, doesn’t mean that getting rid of the ethnically homogeneous workers will remove strife. If anything, the powers that be will find someone else to blame
The powers are doing the opposite. They preach tolerance and individualism to get you to accept foreign scabs. Besides if you think that the ruling class scapegoats immigrants then thats' a reason to oppose immigration. No immigrants no far-right.
>the powers that be will find someone else to blame.
Like? Immigrants are an actual problem to the European working class. Not really anything can be scapegoated as effectively than actual problems.
>Social cohesion’s already a meme in class society. And if you think that ethnic homogeneity is the foundation of worker solidarity look at ethnically homogeneous countries like Japan and tell me that the worker movement’s been strong there.
Diversity and clash of cultures being an obstacle in the way of solidarity doesn't automatically mean that worker movements without this obstacle would be strong. There are ofc other factors at play here. Diversity is one of many. I'm not a reductionist.
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 No.82184

>>81466
>Stalinist Hardliners with an obsession with Trans Liberation
Sounds pretty based if you ask me
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 No.82187

>>82174
>The powers are doing the opposite. They preach tolerance and individualism
I wish i was such a smoothbrain ,seems pretty calm just cruising through life with zero critical thinking
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 No.82201

>>82163
>then what is?
If you want happiness, it's not going to be found through the state or the collective dominating all. Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, is fascist thinking. I find my happiness outside of Society, and the state has nothing to do with my happiness. If I can bring happiness to other people, great, but I'm not animated by some obsessive desire to take over the world or absorb everything into a giant ball of utilitarian humanity to be maximized or whatever the hell you're getting at.

>I find it very questionable that for you, the state's only job is to execute the unworthy.

It's not a judgement of "worth", and you yourself literally can't grasp that there are people who do not believe in total subordination to the collective. Sentencing people to death is not to be taken lightly or made into the entire point of Society (and you betray your own sinister intentions in all of this, which is the only outcome of positivist drivel). I wouldn't have to resort to this if eugenists would stop torturing the world and seeking to dominate everyone under their world order. I shouldn't have to, and I really don't want to, but eugenics does not tolerate any dissent, so such actions would be necessary, for this very limited problem that is primarily put into action by a minority of the middle class and the upper class. If there are no overarching eugenics institutions, and there are institutions of the people that can fight eugenics, then you can finally, for the first time in human history, be able to live in a world worth living in.

>further psychological evaluation

You're placing way too much faith in psychology's ability to tell us anything about people. Their vaunted IQ tests, by which we are made to live or die, are basically whatever the psychologist feels like writing down that particular day.
When you get into the business of deciding who is and isn't to be exiled from society, you're necessarily centralizing power in a limited class of people who hold the state - and the state will always be the domain of a privileged class, who possess both the time and the talent to engage in politics above the common people. You wind up with the situation where eugenics can inflict endless ultraviolence and terror, and that ultraviolence is somehow normal and acceptable and even laudatory, but the slightest act of self-defense is punished severely. Acting in self-defense against eugenics is already classed as a psychological crime and punished by declaration of the defender's insanity and thus their total inhumanity.

>you are the one who wants the collective/state to kill people.

Ideally, individual people, understanding the threat posed by eugenics, would agree that the killing of eugenists is completely justified as an act of self-defense. It wouldn't be the state unilaterally deciding who gets to live and die, which you believe it. It would be a great many people, acting in self-defense, who have positively identified a eugenist terrorist, and the eugenist terrorist has avowed that they will stand against a free society. What else is there to do, except kill or expunge the eugenist, if they have made it clear that their eugenism precludes any sort of free society? Eugenists have enjoyed the benefits of a free society while they routinely break all standards of decency, all laws to protect the defenseless. It is long past time to pretend that there can be any peace with eugenists.
As for serial killers, they made their choice. I'm not interested in reforming them out of some sense that I must desire to dominate the whole of humanity. Mind, I don't use such judgement against all who kill - there are justified killings, and killings that must be judged as less than vile. The serial killer, who is a predator cultivated by eugenist society, is something different from an ordinary killing in passion, or killing in a war between criminals. A functioning justice system would recognize the condition, would punish in line with the motive of the killer and what their motives mean for the rest of society. This false equivalency where a sadistic serial killer is the same as someone who killed in a questionable act of self-defense, is another one of those mental tricks eugenism pulls to obscure its truly foul machinations.
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 No.82208

>>81160
Some form of basic competency test must be passed to be eligible to vote. If you can't even name the three branches of government (something like 1/5 Americans can't name a single one) You should not be allowed. We don't trust someone who can't not tell the break from the gas pedal to drive, neither should we trust idiots who to elect to government.
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 No.82218

>>82208
If u can't be a lib u shuldn't vote
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 No.82219

>>82201
NTa but have you ever read a piece of marxist literature? I get the feeling that you only come here to promote your batshit insane views on society. Like…every single one of your posts is just pure mindfuckery. How does one get the time for doing that?
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 No.82220

>>82201
you seem to exxagerate the impact that eugenism has on society.
I hate to say it but it seems to me that you have a similarly unhealthy obsession with this perceived "eugenism" than a /pol/ack has with jews.
Most of your justifications lead to this weird dead end of eugenism being responsible for it or eugenism being some sort of primary all encompassing enemy.
Can you explain your belief? Is there some insight I am missing? are you by any chance mentally ill?
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 No.82256

>>82219
Yes, I have, and I'm not impressed. I don't know why people are so dogmatic about Marx yet forget what he writes the moment it's personally convenient for them. But that's what is inherited from the tradition of positivism and the "religion of science" that was a thing in the 19th century.

Marxism obviously failed because fascism and eugenics won in the end, and the communists were chasing their own tail while it was rising, blithely unaware of how they kept fucking up and staying committed to failed explanations for fascism's rise. It was not too hard to figure out what was happening, but the orthodox Marxists couldn't get past themselves to apprehend just what they were fighting.
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 No.82259

>>82220
>are you by any chance mentally ill?
Very
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 No.82261

>>82220
Denialists of eugenics should be treated like climate deniers are now, except the climate shit is fake nonsense and eugenism is real and screamed from the rooftops and is a clearly political project.
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 No.82265

>>82261
Do you have… proof…?
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 No.82269

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 No.82275

>>82265
I don't know how how you can pretend the ruling class hasn't been screaming for population control for the past 200 years, and especially the past century. It's only a key part of American foreign policy in Asia and Africa, and the overwhelming concern today with Africa which the powers want to carve up.

The proof that the climate shit is bullshit is too complicated to discuss in this thread, but outside of the autism of ecologism, it is no longer controversial. The people advancing the climate boogaloo have been caught openly saying that they should lie about it in order to attain their political goals.

>>82269
Here's a Hitlerian wearing the hammer and sickle because he likes the aesthetics. Fucking monsters shit up anything.
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 No.82280

>>82275
I think /pol/ would be more your place and calling marxism positivist is just…no
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 No.82294

>>82280
Marx wasn't positivist, but the adherents of Marxism maintained positivist views of having a science of religion. It was ubiquitous when Marx began writing, and that was the milieu Marx had to write to. All that "if that if Marxism, then I am not a Marxist" stuff.
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 No.82302

>>82174
>foreign scabs
I guess I kind of see your point. I think the solution of taking up racial homogeneity is just a band aid solution and the labor required would just not be worth the small detrimental benefits of “social cohesion”. Even if it wasn’t enacted by a socialist country, and conservatives won and actually deported the immigrants, would it not strengthen reactionary ideology? I just feel it does more to benefit reactionaries, which dominate a lot of countries, and let the contradictions subside. But I need more data. What conditions make a scab? War torn country bc of imperialism and exploitation is obvious, but I’m just assuming. Plus there are non-immigrant scabs as
well.

What make a scab unreasonable?
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 No.82307

>>82302
Even then I’m assuming a majority of immigrants are scabs. What percentage of these people are scabs? Are they easy to convert? Are they open to class consciousness? I need studies on immigrants
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 No.82311

>>82174
The only scab here is you, pal, dividing the working class based on your insular, ethnically autistic ideology. (God why couldn’t the soviets be competent in the winter war and turn you into a Bolshevik Satellite. Might’ve done y’all good to get denazified.)

At any rate, if they don’t come here, the jobs’ll go there. The only difference is that you won’t have to suffer looking at the physiologically different foreigner.

Because it’s all about appearances and aesthetics to you, isn’t it? You’d think seizing the MoP is making worker co-ops.
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 No.82313

>>82275
Population Control isnt Eugenism

again, are you disabled?
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 No.82322

>>82307
Never mind. I just realized I was almost convinced that somehow immigrants “cannot be organized”.
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 No.82351

>>81160
>China is paving the way towards the future of socialism. If we want socialism to spread, we have to support it.
>DPRK is probably a pretty good place to live and is doing fine in terms of economy and quality of life.
>Pyongyang is likely on par with most first world major cities in terms of quality of life.
>the main problem with the Western justice system is that not enough rich people are getting arrested and too many are getting away with horrible crimes for decades. (Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, etc…)
>after the revolution, rich people should be sent to labor camps where they work off all the surplus labor they stole over the years. Anyone who refuses to do so gets shot.
>the LGBT movement is inherently bourgeoisie at its core, since the average LGBT person makes 10% more than the average straight person (controlling for race)
>LGBT people are not oppressed in any meaningful way. "Trans people have the right to exist" is a buzzword phrase that means nothing.
>rather than being lenient towards black and minority criminals, we need to actually solve issues within minority communities that are contributing to their higher rates of crime (high rates of single parenthood, lack of desire to get an education, glorification of crime, etc…)
>Fascism hasn't been a relevant philosophy for over 50 years and is only practiced by a few autistic neckbeards. Establishment Neoliberalism is the new fascism and the most real threat to class conciousness.
>Aboslute freedom is an impossibility, so a liberal society is futile and will always result in the stripping of freedoms by the rich and powerful. Therefore, the only proper way forward is a dictatorship of the proletariat. Anything less is pointless.
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 No.82354

I like pineapple on my pizza, how radical is that?
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 No.82376

>>82351
Fascism is very alive. It's just that the left's characterization of fascism is flawed, in that it presumes fascism to be this ideology of failed perverts - i.e. it buys into the mythmaking about fascism that prevailed just after WW2. It became necessary to invent that myth because it was known enough that eugenicists supported the Nazi regime and would double-deal during the war to trade with the Germans; and further, had the anti-fascist segment of society followed through, they would have called for the ruthless purging of those who supported Hitlerism during the war once the war was over. Since that was not going to happen, it was necessary first to invent the myth of fascism and the myth of Hitler as a unique evil (thus exonerating the whole German race, and especially those that were trading with the Nazis). Immediately after that, the fascists began purging the communists, who were now declared "just like Hitler, because they were muh totalitarians". One way or another, someone was going to be purged, and the fascists had many inherent advantages in America… so that is how it went.

It is a mistake to say "establishment is fascist". The truth is that the conflict between liberalism and Trumpism is a false one. Trump himself is at his core a fucking liberal, even if he's a stupid one. The real fascists inhabit the institutions which have been declared "above politics" and above any democratic means by which they would be contained. They control universities, foundations, schools, corporations, any institution they can get their hands on, and set out to pry as much as they can away from non-fascist hands. It is those people who suspiciously cannot be criticized that show their fascistic tendencies, and those who inhabit modern society learn quickly who you are and are not allowed to criticize. Year after year, the inheritors of Hitlerism push the boundaries of what they can get away with, on a million different fronts legal and extralegal, and they have behind them a great deal of wealth and manpower to pursue this single-minded goal of rehabilitating the Hitlerian program. It has culminated in the last decade with the open rehabilitation of literal Nazi collaborators in Ukraine, and the attempts to resuscitate the fascist base in western Europe and the Americas. It pushed aggressively the eugenist program of population control (the first rebranding of eugenics), and it pushed the neo-Malthusian dogma and impressed it on every generation since the end of the Nazi period. It is not surprising that the young, starting from 1960 onward, are the most fervent adherents to this new Malthusianism, and that year after year the social experiments and engineering have allowed for greater and greater advances of the new fascist cause. By 1990, the social engineering was so successful that any solidaristic politics was alien to the most basic assumptions held by nearly all the people in the capitalist countries, and communism had been completely discredited as anything that could work at a basic level. Social Darwinism had triumphed. The past 30 years have been nothing but the dominant fascist movement collecting, pushing now to be able to wear the swastika proudly again. Only feebly do the common people resist this, as the rest of humanity has little left but themselves and whatever wealth they managed to hold on to after waves of expropriation over the past century. The coming realignment of "capitalism" will see the final cleaning-out of that smallholder property, as the last family homes are repossessed and the great dying can commence - just as they wanted back in the 1930s.
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 No.82400

having conservative/reactonary beliefs is not actually radical
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 No.82402

>>82351
>the LGBT movement is inherently bourgeoisie at its core, since the average LGBT person makes 10% more than the average straight person
You wanna know how I know you don't know how class works?
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 No.82403

People should be nicer to each other.
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 No.82408

>>82402
Faggotry is bourgeois, but not for the reasons he describes. This may seem strange, but the "hunt for the homosexual" is a thoroughly modern thing, from the 19th century and even then it was haphazardly enforced. Basically, people didn't want fags molesting them or their children, and it was seen as sinful and decadent, but the typical person didn't care about rooting out all homosexuals from society or think much about homosexuality at all. It was just this disgusting and weird thing that was offensive to the senses. It was only with eugenics that the idea of hunting down homosexual behavior was introduced as a concept, and I see the hunt for the homosexual as a dry run to see if eugenist thinking could take hold (which it most certainly could). The weirdos professing free love and homosexualism were known in the 19th century and were reviled as a joke by most people, so they made an easy target; and then those free love and homosexual advocates could be rolled into support for eugenism itself, and the expression of "free love" and homosexualism afterwards was distinctly on eugenist terms. Pretty soon homosexualism was not about weird men justifying their lust for dick, or wanting to be respected, or not wanting to be killed for their proclivities. Modern homosexualism is about assaulting the senses and bringing lurid depictions of sex to the forefront of all discussion, just as all sexual politics does. It is not a mistake that the most monstrous and regressive regimes of the past were steeped in sexualist ideology, from Rome to Nazi Germany.
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 No.82409

The physical urban planning of most North American cities since the 1930s is incompatible with socialism.

>Homogenous suburbs with giant mcmansions

>Single use zoning
>Cul-de-sacs and streets designed to segregate the occupants from the rest of society
>Requirement for private cars, further separating people from each other, with all urban planning centered around the car.

It is no coincidence that American suburbs are so incompatible with socialism. I remember reading something in a book from the 20s that said "no man who owns land and a house could be a communist" describing that as a feature to the new automobile suburbs going up.

The suburbs would have to go
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 No.82412

>>82408
In any event, the last "gay rights" cause that was actually about a civil right was the movement to abolish criminal and quasi-criminal penalties for homosexuality, and those penalties never should have existed in the first place. None of this nonsense about "gay marriage" is about defending any right, because there is no such thing as a "gay marriage" - it is a category of relation that simply doesn't exist in a meaningful sense. The gay marriage thing was largely about abolishing the legal foundation for marriage as an institution, and if you read into the legal sources of the pro-gay strategy, this was exactly what they were going for and the goal of all those pursuits. The family institution and marriage was reinterpreted as a legal contract, rather than the state's recognition of a state of affairs between man and woman that was already a fact. This, of course, was necessitated because the state got involved in dictating who could and couldn't marry, whereas in the past marriage didn't involve the state's blessing at all. The state, and the church, only had a role in confirming the marriage's existence and establishing that the children of that union had a father, or presumed father. The idea that the state "allows" your relations was a eugenist innovation, because the state did not have the power yet to outright punish men and women for forming a marriage with a "dysgenic" partner, or marriages which violated the growing eugenics law.
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 No.82417

>>82408
Lmao. Even animals engage in homosexual acts. Homosexuality has no class distinction.
While the LGBT movement and gay marriage is definitely bourgeois, homosexuality shouldn't be condemned as such.
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 No.82424

>>82417
I don't know how a man could be happy with himself as a homosexual, or think that his relations are somehow fulfilling. Of course, being men, they should be used to sexual disappointment in life, but there really is something deeply wrong with a gay relationship, and I don't even think the pretense that it is natural holds up. They're stuck with their own weird fetish, unable to relate properly to women, and usually homosexuality is comorbid with a mutlitude of crippling mental conditions. It's even worse with the trans shit because you take these failed men and set them on a course of "corrective" surgeries and treatments, teaching them to live up to this fantasized image of a slutty woman.
Myself being a pervert and a failed man, I can see how much damage all of this is doing. No one should be encouraging homosexualism as something naturally ordained, let alone morally equivalent to proper relations. It's been so long since I've felt proper feelings for a woman, because I had to kill off such things a long time ago to tolerate living. Because I am self-aware enough, though, I was able to trace how my proper affection for women was twisted over the years and grew into something that was better off destroyed. I feel terrible that this gay lifestyle is being sold to men as an alternative. They're being robbed of knowledge of their own potential and told to conform to this narrow set of experiences society creates for gay men. What's worse is that this hunt for the homosexual is then tied to advancing the eugenic program, and lots of ordinary straight people who just want to settle down and have their family have to endure an endless barrage of hypersexualism, and have to protect their children from the grasping hands of those who want to capture the young. The whole thing is so rotten and disgusting, and antithetical to any sort of world fit for human habitation.
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 No.82429

>>82424
I wasn't talking about a "gay relationship"
I was just talking about the act of homosexuality.
Homosexual acts, although rare are definitely natural. If they weren't, they would have been rooted out by natural selection.
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 No.82433

You should never trust any conservative or trad """"communists"""" like these >>81379
They are traitors in the making.

All of them deserve to be sent to reeducation or get the wall after their purpose is served in revolution.
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 No.82436

>>82433
I think the guy you're referencing to is trolling, tbh.
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 No.82439

>>82429
Mental illness and disease generally are also natural. Your point being what, exactly? This teleological treatment of natural selection is a calling card of how strong eugenism is at molding public opinion. Natural selection is a dumb process, and it doesn't produce ever-increasing perfection. All natural selection tells us is that the species that best adapt to their environment will survive.

There is also the uncomfortable possibility raised that natural selection is… wrong. Just flat out wrong as a description of how speciation happened, or at best an incomplete theory with limited explanatory power. If you dare bring that up though, you go against the holy doctrines of eugenics that are everywhere in modern society.
The ugly reality that science never likes to admit is that sometimes, shit happens. What is mechanistically happening with homosexual behavior, why men are inclined towards such proclivities, is not too hard to figure out. You have homosexuals who will, if they are honest, say what is going on in their lizard brains. It requires a religious disregard to their own thought process and development to assert some genetic, biologist cause as the source (and genes don't even "encode" for behaviors in the way you're suggesting, the whole "gay gene" myth has been debunked so many times over yet it persists because it is a eugenist necessity).
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 No.82444

>>82429
I read somewhere that an evopsych explanation of born that way inverts was a likes dick gene yes it's probably more complicated than just one gene, but that ai's can detect inverts from photos and some interesting correlations with how hair patterns (Which is suggestive for differences in early neural crest development in the womb) for inverts vs neurotypicals is suggestive that made females of the line more successful in breeding
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 No.82446

>rather than being lenient towards black and minority criminals, we need to actually solve issues within minority communities that are contributing to their higher rates of crime (high rates of single parenthood, lack of desire to get an education, glorification of crime, etc…)
Yeah, bill o reilly talking points are the issue and not the history of systemic racism and the ongoing effects of it, actual material economic disparities and, guess what, actual disproportionate policing.

You’re barely a step away from being a Tuckerfag. Neck yourself.
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 No.82450

>>82439
At any rate, very likely the proclivity to desire penetration is just part of the human constitution generally, but in functional males the desire for women overrides this latent tendency. Any man can be "turned gay" if conditioned towards it, or at least could be turned bisexual. It is a lot more difficult for men to attain proper functionality with women than it is for them to be turned homo/bisexual, because gay sex is degenerative in its most basic manifestation. Gay sex is easy, if one develops the proclivity; and once it becomes too difficult to relate to women, society sells this justifications of "inherent homosexuality". Historically, people did not identify with a particular orientation at all - homosexuality was an act, not an essence. It was necessary to essentialize homosexuality as part of the program to impose eugenism, both in the initial phases of "hunting the homosexual" and then in the later stage where lurid sexualism would come to dominate society and bombard the senses of otherwise decent people.

>>82444
So-called "evolutionary psychology" is just the dogma of eugenics. Genes do not encode for behavior in the way these eugenists believe it does.
I believe my explanation is a lot more sensible, based on observations I have made throughout my life of other people and my own evaluation of myself. There is a large body of pornographic material that is used to "push-post" people towards particular sexual proclivities. Many decades ago they tried to make urination fetish a thing, but this was before the internet so it didn't stick. Social engineering can go a long way in molding how most people view sex, which is how the so-called "sexual revolution" imposed from above was realized and conformed to rigid specifications of what it would be.
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 No.82452

>>82446
>>82446
Would not the issues you raise be the cause for the issues he raises
The number one indicator for divorce and other long term relationship breakups is financial stress
Yes kids if you're forever alone you should blame capitalism
The sex was better in the eastern bloc too
A best Korean joke about husbands is that they're like dogs, cute and scare robbers aways you'd like to live in this society wouldn't you son
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 No.82454

>>82452
What does the spoilerd shit have to do with me? I was responding to >>82351

I wouldn’t mind seeing a couple of well hung black youths run a train on that guy. You know, to put a fucker in his place.
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 No.82456

>>82450
>Historically, people did not identify with a particular orientation at all - homosexuality was an act, not an essence.
I agree with this. But why punish anyone in society for this act?
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 No.82464

>>82456
Where did I say anything about punishing homosexuals? I don't care what they do. That is something different from proclaiming that homosexuality is morally equivalent to proper sexual relations, or worse that whatever is genetically ordained (which again is based on a moronic notion that DNA directly encodes for behavior) is the highest form of morality. The eugenism of that position is so screaming that it surprises me people are denialists still. I'm going against this assault on intellectual integrity, and the mystification and obfuscation of sex that is inherent to eugenist regimes. I don't care about going into anyone's bedroom and telling them who they're supposed to fuck. If a guy nuts hard at the thought of a juicy throbbing penis, he likes what he likes. I still don't know any such people who are truly happy with their proclivities, but then sex is one of the biggest nothings in the world. What isn't debatable is how homosexualism is used by eugenics to advance its own program.
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 No.82466

>>82464
Oh. Okay.
Then yeah, I think I pretty much agree.
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 No.82483

>>81441
>>Biological homogeneity is good for a socialist state and social cohesion.
Maybe the only examples of multicultural societies are capitalist ones like the USA where, oh, I dunno, the different races were literally forced by law to be separate until recently, where racism is weaponized by the porkies to suppress class consciousness? Don't you think that a socialist system would be fundamentally better at building solidarity between races?
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 No.82487

>>81160
>Proles are retarded.

>99.9% have a trash reading of Marx.


>Revolutionary fervor is accelerationism. A socialist revolution via insurrection is impossible in most of the world, at least while America is a hegemon.


>99% of leftists (aka MLs) are stuck in the 1900's
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 No.82493

>>82483
When Americans do the whole "homogeneity" line, they're really just talking about the nigras and how the black man makes them angry for, idk, existing or something so offensive like that. That's how these things go - race means whatever they want it to mean at any given time. This means the "nationalists" can be two-faced to parts of their own base, telling each what they want to hear. A hardline nativist hears that Farage is for England and Englishmen, while a white identitarian racefag hears that he's in favor of whites generally, and the petty manager hears that Farage will let him shit all over his Polish maid and that's all he cares about. There's never any consistency to their faggotry, because at the surface level its all feels-based. Underneath it all, Farage is just a fucking liberal, but because he's conservitard flavored dumbasses say that UKIP is "fighting neoliberalism", which is recast as this woke construction that Obama created, totally not Nixon or Reagan or Thatcher. Of course, the "progressive" counterpart in this fakeass politics does its work of obfuscating what has happened for the past century, aids and abets people like Farage.
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 No.82529

>>82487
good take
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 No.82537

>>82351
>>DPRK is probably a pretty good place to live and is doing fine in terms of economy and quality of life.
Any leftist sources for a non MSM take on life in DPRK
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 No.82541

>>82487
So as a burger communist, is it better to adapt Marxism to 21st century US conditions (something like FALC, idk) or go full accelerationist and allow China and the 3rd world to have their commie revolutions?
Granted, an attempted revolution in the US might lead to civil war anyway
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 No.82664

>>82351
Knowing People who have lived in Pyonyang(foreigners ofc), I wouldn't say its on par with 1st world countries. It has its pros and cons. People dont have access to the same products you would have in the west, a lot of things (mostly non-essentials) are a lot more expensive compared to what the average person earns, also the media is very restricted. On the other hand it is incredibly safe with basically zero crime. Another interesting point that seems to be repeated as a positive is this pervasive sense of community and "we are in this together"-mentality which seems to be quite intoxicating for foreigners.

Shit is bad in the countryside though. there is a lot of malnutrition and shortages of pretty much anything.

>doing fine in terms of economy and quality of life

that might have been true a few years ago in pyongyang especially due to Kim Jong Uns emphasis on economic development. but recent economic data paints a darker picture. Many of the sanctions have real, devastating impacts on their economy, and leaves them very vulnerable to natural disasters and bad harvests. The Pandemic has made things a lot worse as they closed their borders, which made trade a lot more difficult.
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 No.82676

>>82537
Read in the land of Kim, it's from a left winger
It's by no means equal to the west
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 No.82721

>>82676
Heh she has some interesting greek videos on youtube i would translate them but i'm busy these days maybe i'll do it on weekend at the dprk thread
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 No.82723

>>82721
This is one of her interviews in English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kztC4kIj1AM
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 No.82728

>>81866
>Higher IQ people believe science more so when they get told that biological equality is the scientific consensus they go with that
lol.
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 No.82730

>>81866
>To learn the truth about race you need to do research that most wont make. Higher IQ people believe science more so when they get told that biological equality is the scientific consensus they go with that.

Holy Mental olympics
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 No.83012

>mfw I thought some supremely radically shit
>just another thread filled with edgelords with stupidpol-tier understanding of class

Anyway I think everyone should learn a trade, a degree in soft/hard science and arts. People often whine about how everyone looks down on blue collar work, but not enough people even know let alone respect academic work too.
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 No.83013

>>83012
>soft/hard science and arts

Define every three of them please
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 No.90055

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Organised criminal organisations such as Triads, Mafia, Gangs etc are a good way of implementing socialism on a local level if done correctly.

See Kowloon HK
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 No.90068

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>Controversial thoughts in leftist spaces

>Read Crowley, Blavatsky, Regardie, Caroll

>There is no point in communism unless it allows for the greater spiritual attainment of the subject.
>Spirituality and Esotericism is both correct interpreted as a philosophy and literally scientifically correct.
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 No.90093

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Not sure how "radical" these views are, but here are a few that at least are controversial among leftists.

1. The values and political views a person holds in an individualized context are almost completely irrelevant if you want to predict their future behaviour. A person may, for example, hold racist or sexist prejudices - and yet work against racism and sexism in the context of a trade Union or a political party they believe in (to give you an example coles to the libs hearts). If you could go back in time and talk to the people who made up the German Communist Party in the 30's, I bet you my balls that they would have much more reactionary and severe individual views than the modern German workers, not less. Yet, today many German workers vote for AFD, even in the former East Germany. People's political beliefs are contextual, and highly malleable. If the workers are fleeing to the far right, it's not a failure of the workers but of the Left.

None of the above should be controversial to materialist Marxists, but that's not who makes up most of the Left, even the self-described "Marxist" Left.

2. Therefore, the biggest problem of the Western Left today is not so much any political program or lack-there-of. Rather, the problem is in the way we preactice and concieve of politics. The Left can only exist as a credible political force as a bottom-up movement of the people - and I don't mean this in any anarcholib "horizontal grassroots yadda yadda sense. What I mean is we must begin our work at the level of knowing and loving our communities, from the work place to the neighborhood. Effective organizing consists of making actual, concrete interpersonal relationshhips and getting real people engaged in a political effort that strives to make concrete gains for the community as a whole. In other words, the task is not to change people's opinions or "persuade them", but to get them engage in politics in a different way.

This is also why trade unions even with all their problems most likely remain the only possible starting point for any possible rebirth of the Western Left. Organizing a work place or winning a union election is probably the simplest and most effective way to start growing class conciousness that any one of us could start planning for tomorrow.

3. To be a complete infentile shithead, I conclude with saying that much of Marxism-Leninism today in the West consists of empty dogmatism and fetishization of the past. People like Haz are right in this, even if you don't agree with his other conclusions. People tend to read Marx and Lenin in a very dogmatic way - not engaging with the text critically but rather trying to absorb the text into one's head wholesale.

A prime example of this dogmatism is the obsessions most MLs have in labeling every single actually existing organization in the West as SuccDem, Lib, Fash or "Feds". They maybe correct in that most political orgs mainly consist of SuccDems and LIbs in terms of the political beliefs of membership, but this tells you absolutely nothing about their future potential. Just living in the West makes you a lib by default. Trying to escape this by "studying" Marx and Lenin (read: absorbing centuries old political dogma in an effort to individually break from the ideological hegemony) in most cases only leads to perverted lifesyslism and cultish behaviour.

Again, this doesn't mean that MLs in the West are worthless and don't have political potential. I consider myself an ML, and have gone through the above-described phase. I think it's inevitable, but it should be considered a developmental phase that must be grown out of. If we want to be a force in modern politics, we must stop treating MLism as a political identity (I know no one admits to this, but this is what 90% of MLism I've encountered consists of) and start treating it as a tool.
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 No.90101

>>90093
I agree, but the "Libs" and "Sucdems" do also fall under this Lifestylism and just acknowledging that MLs are useles at large, won't make those Radlibs welcoming of real revolutionary Socialism.'
You say this "Liberal" Phase is normal in the West, but I don't see it as a phase. In fact, I believe that most of them will slip back into Market Worship. You need to flesh out your argument, because I think it has potential

https://newmultitude.org/andre-brandao-the-potential-and-the-historical-limitations-of-the-proliferation-of-marxism-leninism-in-the-brazilian-youth-translation/

Here is an article about Communists being obsessed with Political Labels and Identities.
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 No.90443

>>90093
>People like Haz are right in this, even if you don't agree with his other conclusions. People tend to read Marx and Lenin in a very dogmatic way - not engaging with the text critically but rather trying to absorb the text into one's head wholesale.

I think that's because there's a tendency to divorce many concepts from Lenin's writings from its historical context. I'd say it's pretty common in liberal thought to divorce concepts and abstractions from any context.
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 No.90454

entryism can be usefull
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 No.90458

>>90101
Thank you for your encouraging words. I've been thinking about starting a blog or some shit, but have never gotten around to it due to my lack of any credentials what-so-ever. I can also be good prose stylist when I bother to put the time into it.

When talking about the lifestylist phase, I was mainly refering to the Western MLs rather than the more normie Libs and Succs. The most based people I know in real life are hardcore Marxist-Leninist. They're also confined to a small and completely irrelevant Stalinist party, isolated from the popular masses. This inspite of having a political program that addresses every single issue normal working people are worried about in a very concrete, down to earth way. Unfortunately it doesn't matter how based your political views are as long as they remain inside your head. This is also why I think that in terms of popularity, even the political program is in a way of secondary importance. The only way to build a movement capable of popularising these based politics is to start by working with ordinary people - however blue-pilled or even reactionary their individual attitudes may be at first - on concrete and achievable goals that transform their lives for the better.

While being honest about your political views when asked is important, in principle this type of work does not benefit from talking about revolutionary Socialism. The radical potential is there, you just have to meet people where they're at and start from there.

I guess my point is that studying ML theory is important, but 1) it must be contextualized in terms of the historical conditions in which the theory emerged and 2) the primary role of ML groups should be seen precisely as study groups. They should not be seen as the main channels of our organizing efforts. My rule of thumb is that if there's a picture of Stalin on the wall, it's a Museum and not a viable party HQ.

>>90443
>I think that's because there's a tendency to divorce many concepts from Lenin's writings from its historical context. I'd say it's pretty common in liberal thought to divorce concepts and abstractions from any context.
Very well put. I myself started out my political journey as a young conservative, and was then converted to a liberal SucDem in my teenage years. I always felt that Marx was on to something but I simply couldn't fuck my head into "believing in" Marxism as long as I thought of it as a set of universal political doctrines. I only graduated into Gommunism once I started seeing Marxism as a living movement and political tradition, and started contextualising Marx, Lenin etc. in historical terms. Zizek was really helpful with this.
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 No.90462

Every single NSDAP voter should've been killed. All 17,277,180 of them.
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 No.90971

>>81379
Back to twitter Varg.
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 No.90972

>>90458
>I guess my point is that studying ML theory is important, but 1) it must be contextualized in terms of the historical conditions in which the theory emerged and 2) the primary role of ML groups should be seen precisely as study groups. They should not be seen as the main channels of our organizing efforts.
This.
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 No.90998

>>81182
this is fairly close to the status quo
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 No.91000

>>81379
I only agree with the last one
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 No.91013

>>81382
tell him to pull himself up by the bootstraps while you're at it
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 No.91040

>>81160
>The most extreme radical beliefs you hold
ALL first world suburbanites will have to spent the first years after revolution in labor camps. They should be treated nicely and conditions should be humane BUT they have to do manual labor, not have internet access and have no say in how new society would be organized by urban and rural proletariat. When the proles are done setting society up then they can reintegrate.
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 No.91084

>>83013
soft science is humanities
hard science is physics/chemistry/biology/math
arts is music/dance/art/creative writing
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 No.91097

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>>91040
That's how you create Xi Jipings. I don't know if it's a good thing or not.
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 No.91098

Demsoc is the way forward.
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 No.91160

The left-right paradigm is a crisis of ideology perpetuated through the past several generations, whereupon the average yolk is taught a complete misrepresentation of many political ideals unless they seek it directly, first hand, which is a very small portion of the population of any political currant.

Through the left-right paradigm, human society is currently undertaking forms of alchemical processes to add-to or remove aspects and tidbits of belief from cultures/ideologies to the new mono-world culture being formed by the capitalist class to ensure perpetual slavery

As an Anarchist, I have far more to learn and gain from the traditionalists then liberals or fascists
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 No.91189

>>91160
Interesting. Explain in easy words though
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 No.91221

>>90055
you are a westernoid
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 No.91222

jewishnes/kikery is inherently reactonary
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 No.91225

accelerationism is cowardice and cope for sperglords too autistic to actually do any organizing
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 No.92309

>>91225
Accelerationism is a buzzword that means nothing.
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 No.92431

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>>91221
I had relatives that knew the Noonan crime family in Manny and they've looked out for the poor for a long time seeing as the government never did.
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 No.92432

>>81942
Correct.
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 No.92490

Less words do better.

>>91160
The adherence to and reverence for "leftism in this cesspit is cringe worthy.

>As a [blank]

Don't do this.
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 No.92708

Both work and time must be abolished.

Work: Read chapter on estranged labor from 1844 manuscripts
Time: https://bluelabyrinths.com/2021/01/10/on-the-political-significance-of-the-abolition-of-time-in-literature/
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 No.96014

just skimming over all this shit but
>>81523
absolutely based
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 No.96018

>>81160
Unironical posadism. Soviets should have used the workers bomb. But their leadership was full of cowards.
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 No.96019

>>91097
Its a good thing. Proles need strong leadership molded by gulags.
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 No.96024

>>92431
That doesn’t necessarily make them revolutionary in character, just a sort of foster state. Career Criminals are still in a business that ultimately hurts communities, even if they have some populist sentiments.
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 No.96046

>>81160
antifa is shit and full of pussys, we need strong leftist militias
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 No.96138

>>96046
>nerdy book club tankies
>strong
Pick one.
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 No.96483

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This
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 No.96502

1. Successful communist revolutions in history have always included right wing, reactionary and even proto-"fascist" and bourgeois elements within them. Such antagonistic elements were not only relatively significant elements within communist movements but also absolutely essential to their victory.
2. Every Leftist here is a revisionist who fetishizes "trade union consciousness", a consciousness that has historically led nowhere, whereas Lenin has argued for the need for bourgeois intellectuals, of which Lenin is one himself, in order to even get a revolution off the ground.
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 No.96521

>>96502
>Successful communist revolutions in history have always included right wing, reactionary and even proto-"fascist" and bourgeois elements within them
Give some examples.
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 No.96525

>>96502
>whereas Lenin has argued for the need for bourgeois intellectuals, of which Lenin is one himself
lol
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 No.96622

>>96502
>Successful communist revolutions in history have always included right wing, reactionary and even proto-"fascist" and bourgeois elements within them. Such antagonistic elements were not only relatively significant elements within communist movements but also absolutely essential to their victory.
you are one dumb motherfucker. I really hope you mean to say "successful communist revolutions in history have always included petty-bourgeois elements within them", you know, like Lenin. Lenin was not right-wing, reactionary, or proto-fascist, and neither was any Bolshevik! communist intellectuals tend to emerge from the section of the petty-bourgeoisie which is precarious and sees its descent into the proletariat. it is true that this same petty-bourgeois anxiety is used to recruit fascists, but that doesn't mean we should literally recruit fascists, you vaginabrained imbecile
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 No.96642

>>96521
Mirabeau for the French Revolution, Vincent Ogé for the Haitian Revolution, the Narodniks in relation to the Russian Revolution (the equivalent of the "volkisch" movement in Germany), and the Blue Shirts Society during the Chinese Revolution (also its predecessor, the Boxers).
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 No.96660

>>96642
Everyone except the BSS were moderates or proto-revolutionaries.
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 No.96666

>>96660
Yeah, I'm not denying that the revolutionary communist side won out in the end, I'm just saying having certain right wing elements even if in an oppositional sense is almost indispensible for cultivating revolutionary subjectivity including the party form. This has happened in every revolution throughout history, in every birth of a new world it has carried elements of the Right within it. This basic historical fact is just too radical and controversial for leftist spaces like Leftypol to understand and accept, because they are too narcissistic in imagining a purely Leftist future world that has magically resolved all contradictions for all time and has no internal contradictions whatsoever.
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 No.96671

>>96666
No you moron, none of these examples except BSS were overtly right wing but moderates. Unless you are saying that revolutions need moderates, your list of examples are garbage.
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 No.96673

And also BSS weren't really part of the revolution per se, KMT morphed past its revolutionary phrase when Chiang Kai-shek took control of it.
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 No.96675

>>81160
Almost all people have roughly equal intellectual capability/upperbound potential despite what psychometrics / behavioural genetics demonstrate.
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 No.96680

>>96671
Narodniks were moderates? lol okay do you think the volkisch movement were moderates?

I mean fascism wasn't really codified in the popular consciousness at the time, so there wasn't really a 1:1 comparison, but I think the Left would have just as much dismissed them as petty bourgeois aspirants or some other variety of right wing.
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 No.96683

>>96680
They were left-populists. Just because right wingers would be inspired doesn't change their ideology. Hell Sun Yat Sen himself was a proto-socialist but is revered by right wingers/KMT.

>but I think the Left would have just as much dismissed them as petty bourgeois aspirants or some other variety of right wing.

Oh save your tears for something that really matters. Nobody really cares about the Narodniks now and back then socialists were copying their shit.
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 No.96696

>>96683
>They were left-populists. Just because right wingers would be inspired doesn't change their ideology.

They gave expression to objective contradictions happening in reality. That's the point. If anything the fact that future movements whether on the Left or the Right were inspired and predicated by them proves that they were successful.

>Nobody really cares about the Narodniks now and back then socialists were copying their shit.

Okay so what's stopping today's Leftists from copying the style of their modern day equivalent populists? The looming fear of the historical trauma of fascism being repeated?
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 No.96698

>>96696
>They gave expression to objective contradictions happening in reality. That's the point.
So the fuck what? Doesn't mean they were right wingers. The Right always appropriate icons, movements and even programs from the Left all the time.

>Okay so what's stopping today's Leftists from copying the style of their modern day equivalent populists?

Last I checked, Podemos, Syriza, France Insubordinate, Bernie, Corbyn and whatever the fuck Yanis is up to lately aren't doing so hot right now.
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 No.96699

>>92431
no one cares about your shitty westernoid lumpen larpers retard
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 No.96702

ezln are overrated and only westernoids think they are revolutionary
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 No.96707

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This was really just an "unpopular opinion" thread in disguise
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 No.96716

>>96698
>Last I checked, Podemos, Syriza, France Insubordinate, Bernie, Corbyn and whatever the fuck Yanis is up to lately aren't doing so hot right now.
Okay but they did give concrete expression of contradictions in reality, namely voice to a global revolt against neoliberalism. Otherwise all these new movements would not be on the radar in the first place. If there was any new Left movement it would take what was successful about these populisms and surpass them.

Otherwise what's your plan B? Fucking Blanquism?
<“‘We are Communists’ [the Blanquist Communards wrote in their manifesto], ‘because we want to attain our goal without stopping at intermediate stations, without any compromises, which only postpone the day of victory and prolong the period of slavery.’

<“The German Communists are Communists because, through all the intermediate stations and all compromises created, not by them but by the course of historical development, they clearly perceive and constantly pursue the final aim—the abolition of classes and the creation of a society in which there will no longer be private ownership of land or of the means of production. The thirty-three Blanquists are Communists just because they imagine that, merely because they want to skip the intermediate stations and compromises, the matter is settled, and if ‘it begins’ in the next few days—which they take for granted—and they take over power, ‘communism will be introduced’ the day after tomorrow. If that is not immediately possible, they are not Communists.


<“What childish innocence it is to present one’s own impatience as a theoretically convincing argument!” (Frederick Engels, “Programme of the Blanquist Communards”
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 No.96864

>>96716
Stop moving the goalposts and just take the L. Left movements will move on and experiment with stuff with or without your wasted tears on what it should and shouldn't do. Regardless, just because you do not see certain things (i.e. experimentation in left-populism) doesn't mean it is not happening, or that the Left should incorporate things from the Right.
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 No.96867

>>96716
>Otherwise all these new movements would not be on the radar in the first place.
Have you ever seen controlled opposition outside of the fucking radar ?
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 No.96871

>>96502
>Successful communist revolutions in history have always included right wing, reactionary and even proto-"fascist" and bourgeois elements within them.
I agree with this 100%. You need /pol/yp types as cannon fodder.
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 No.97450

Militarism is a necessary part of socialism.
The proletarian security service/Chekists should have unlimited power to destroy enemies of the proletariat.
Capitalists should be enslaved, made to work for the people until they collapse, and be shot.
There is very little need for even labour vouchers in most countries, communist abundance is possible pretty much overnight.
Certain nationalities have no place in the communist future and are irrelevant, Voelkerabfaelle leftovers from the era of medieval ignorance.
Every advocate of lockdown should be executed.
All priests, mullahs, rabbis are pathetic creatures who should also be used for forced labour and every religious building razed to the ground and replaced by a factory.
Nationalism, fascism, racism, sexism should be immediately punishable by death penalty.
Anyone advocating for Malthusian population control should be made to slit their own wrists.
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 No.97457

>>96864
Yanis is actually ok in greece and so is syriza
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 No.97462

>>97450
Agreed
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 No.97464

>>81160
Full and unfettered chaos is the only way socialism can ever make a resurgence anywhere on the Planet.

We don't choose how the world works, and this is the only way to make it happen.
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 No.97468

>>97450
Some more.

Anyone defending Russia, China or Iran is a cretin. They aren't socialist, and they aren't worth defending. Iran murders communists, and Russia is ruled by exploiting scum who love Vlassov, Mannerheim and Denikin.
The policy of coexistence is misguided and should be abandoned; communist parties in power should destroy governments that resist socialism by force and arm workers everywhere.
Transgenderism is misguided. Communism means abolishing gender roles.
Most mental illnesses are fictions invented to sell drugs.
Anyone advocating or supporting the EU is not a socialist.
Anarchists should be treated like nazis.
How the Steel Was Tempered is the greatest novel ever written. I get tears every time I read it.
Communists should have no pity and no compunction about mass repression.
Trade unions are not revolutionary and will never lead the proletariat to victory.
Drug dealers should be executed on the spot by Chekists and drug takers sentenced to hard labour.
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 No.97470

>>97464
facts
>>97450
How old are you?
>Voelkerabfaelle
Its fuanny cause the biggest Voelkerabfaelle were the polish and ukrainians ,that marx liked
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 No.97478

>>97470
>How old are you?
Probably older than you. I've seen enough of the filth, stupidity, and brutality of capitalism to have no pity or mercy left.
I wasn't talking about Poles or Ukrainians actually.
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 No.97481

Federalism is bourgeois, all communist goverments should be centralised.
"Marxists" whose understand of Marxism ends with Marx are fools.
The Great Reset is real.
Climate change is enormously overblown by Malthusians.
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 No.97482

>>97478
>I wasn't talking about Poles or Ukrainians actually.
They fit the word perfectly
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 No.97490

>>97482
In fact the og Voelkerabfaelle turned to the left
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 No.97493

Anyone who watches professional sport religiously is a cretin.
Alcohol should be totally banned in a communist society.
The British Empire was worse than nazi Germany.
Scotland is a province of England, it isn't a nation. Same for Wales.
Australia and New Zealand should be completely depopulated of whites, either by deportation or blood. Not because of colonalism, I just dislike them and they're all petit booj.
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 No.98030

>>81291
Holy shit, finally, someone else who's sane. These psychotic motherfuckers scare the shit out of me.
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 No.98033

>>98030
You’re a massive fucking pussy. All politics and political change has been associated by violence or the threat thereof. It’s weird to be really horny for it, but there’s no point in shying away from it or feeling the need to apologize for some hypothetical revolutionary violence that reactionary forces would make happen anyways (people rarely hand over the seat of government in regime change peacefully.)

Pacifists don’t help anyone, except maybe the enemy.
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 No.98036

>>98033
Ok, you're first.
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 No.98038

>>98036
Whatever, man. Only losers are interested in martyrdom, but if I’m first, it means that some other fuck with no choice in the matter doesn’t have to be. I’m willing to make that decision.
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 No.98068

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>>81657
Thats fucking based tho

Remember, don't get a good looking bitch, get a bitch that will put her hand inaide the toilet to clean it
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 No.98070

>>81671
>>81669
Europeans are retards who must be co trolled before they turn their countries into cosmopolitan hellholes, yes
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 No.98074

>>82351
Based
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 No.98077

>>97450
>>97468
>>97481
>>97493
Bro you just posted so much cringe…
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 No.98086

>>81182
>There is evidence that prison is an effective deterrent to crime in many cases, and it is also necessary to segregate convicted criminals from the rest of society.
Prove it, America should be your case study given its high crime rates and gargantuan prison rates.
>Furthermore punishment and imprisonment give a sense of relief, safety and justice to victims, their families, and society at large.
Not worth torturing other humans over, this sense of relief is relative and there is an argument to be made that torturing someone in response to their wrong action not only is a harmful act in of itself but encourages suffering by perpetuating the action. That institutions commit these actions provides the cultural map for people to commit them on an individual level. In a word, it's sadistic. Harm encourages harm.
>Homosapien's, as a social species have an inherent sense of moral trespasses, and "cheating" sorts of behaviors, and have evolved strategies to discourage and punish them.
17th century idealist appeal to nature garbage, you don't understand evolution, modern science and are not knowledgeable enough to make such definitive statements about "human nature."
>Even if imprisonment causes harm to convicted criminals, if they have actually committed these offenses, then they have committed harm themselves, and they will not be punished or discouraged from further crimes if they are allowed to walk free.
No, they have not harmed themselves in the way you are describing. The prison guard is still the person physically beating or otherwise punishing the prisoner and both the institution and the guard are responsible. Your reasoning is medieval. "He stabbed me and I got away so I am justified in returning to stab him." More importantly it doesn't encourage other people to commit crimes because people don't commit crimes like murder just because they see others doing it. Despite what you may think there is an empathetic barrier preventing murder in many cases when the state doesn't force people's hands in cases like war.
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 No.98169

Fascists who are opposed to lockdown, the Great Reset and digital slavery, are more revolutionary than communists who support it.
That said, fascists should still be executed without a second thought when communists are in power.
Prisons are mostly a waste of space, either execute counterrevolutionaries and save resources or use them as slave labour to be useful for once in their lives.
The very existence of the car should be abolished, forgotten, crushed and replaced by public transport. It's antisocial.
Communists should no second thoughts about using tactical nuclear weapons or even strategic ones if it advances the proletarian cause.
All white south Africans should be forced to labour for one hundred years for the black natives.
Pakistan and Bangladesh are fake countries that should be part of a red India.
Anyone using the term PMC should be shot.
Lumpen do have revolutionary potential. And they're much nicer and better people than most Marxists.
All communists should have to work shit jobs so they harden themselves to exploitation.
Aside from Phil Greaves and Co, twitter is fucking gay and a cia front.
Speaking of gays, pride parades are ridiculous, and men kissing will never not be repulsive.
Anyone advocating for eugenics should be shot on the spot.
The USSR was much too soft, even under Comrade Stalin.
Suburbs should be demolished and replaced by farms.
Space exploration and settling other planets will never happen unfortunately.
You don't need computers to plan an economy. Though they help. Cockshottism is defeatist.
Proud NEETs should immediately be shot under socialism for being sponges.
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 No.98171

>>98169
Bro this isn't the cringe compilation thread
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 No.98174

Waving the hammer and sickle doesn't make you a communist.
Lysenko was a great scientist who will be vindicated by history.
There should be some sort of socialist NATO. Basically any government that opposes communism should be rapidly destroyed and wiped out to allow workers to take power.
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 No.98184

>>98169
>Fascists who are opposed to lockdown, the Great Reset and digital slavery, are more revolutionary than communists who support it.
How does that follow? If you do nothing, the lockdowns are going to end when the virus stops spreading after vaccinations and herd immunity. You haven't changed anything!
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 No.98188

>>98184
Lockdown will never end.
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 No.98213

>>98188
Of course it will because line gotta go up.
Silicon Valey fags who profit from it only make up a minority of Porkys.
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 No.98226

>>98188
>Lockdown will never end.

There are places in America, right now, that essentially ignore all of the lock down requirements. Things have went back to normal in New Zealand, and have been that way for months now.
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 No.98240

>>98188
lockdowns ended in nearly every european countries that enacted one.
I understand the concern,but it does not conform with reality. (unless you want to say it's going to be a cycle of lockdown-not lockdown-curfews sometimes too,then you're probably not wrong)
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 No.98243

>>98226
New Zealand just went into a one week lockdown because of one case. It's grotesque nazism.
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 No.98244

>>98240
They are still going on all across Europe. My country has been under for months and months.
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 No.98252

>>98244
mine isn't any longer,but it's now an indefinitive curfew,I admit I jumped the shark by saying "nearly every".
Tbh,I don't agree with lockdowns because they barely do jack shit,and because my governement just pray herd immunity actually happens like desesperate tards.
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 No.98353

>>98228
They profit from crisis all the time. But the economy is still shrinking
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 No.98355

>>98353
>But the economy is still shrinking
For us, the workers, not for them. It's a controlled demolition to impose poverty on the masses.
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 No.98365

>>98355
That’s not how the economy works
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 No.98370

>>98365
Most of the economic gain in history has been carried out by plunder as Marx pointed out long ago. They don't need us any more, they don't need to scrape ever shrinking profits from private commodity production, they can just murder the workers and steal everything for themselves and have robots do they manual labour. Why do you think there is so much Malthusian propaganda about overpopulation and "useless eaters"? That is how they see us, that is what they intend for us.
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 No.98372

>>97450
>>97493
>racism should be immediately punishable by death penalty
>Australia and New Zealand should be completely depopulated of whites, either by deportation or blood. Not because of colonalism, I just dislike them and they're all petit booj.
Keep at it leninhat, you never fail to disappoint.
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 No.98374

>>98372
I'm white, Australians and NZ are whites, so it's not really racism, you feel me?
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 No.98377

>>98370
Plunder is from other civilizations. Porkies are forced to resort to automation more and more, but is always going to happen lockdown or not.
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 No.98378

>>98374
I'm white, jews are white, so it isn't really racism.
t. Hitler
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 No.98382

>>98377
Workers can be plundered by their own bourgeoisie. Happened to German Jews
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 No.98451

>>81160

Leftists need to drop the le smart atheistism shit and embrace Christian charity etc. Start hitting people in the feelings.
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 No.98455

>>98382
That was genocide, not a pandemic.
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 No.98458

>>98455
There's no pandemic mate.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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 No.98460

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 No.98463

>>98460
Why don't you go outside? Really, I promise you, people aren't dropping dead on the streets like the Chinese booj and the WEF told you.
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 No.98469

>>98458
And so we have reached the crux of the issue…
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 No.98481

File: 1614517256601.png (21.72 KB, 556x262, lenin outbreak.png)

Today I will remind them
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 No.98483

>>98481
Remind what? The Red Army didn't stay indoors during the "Spanish Flu".
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 No.98484

File: 1614517315531.png (129.81 KB, 645x647, 1604703444094.png)

>>98458
What are you smoking? In my country, more than half of intensive care unit beds are occupird by CORONAED people.
Does it only count as pandemic if half of the sick dies?
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 No.98485

Another radical belief: "Communists" scared of illness aren't communists, but cowards.
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 No.98487

>>98484
>more than half of intensive care unit beds are occupird by CORONAED people.
You have no way of knowing that. Coronavirus has not been isolated, the testing methods are notoriously dodgy, and the bourgeoisie love to lie.
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 No.98489

>>98483
>we are totally in the same situation as the Red Army
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 No.98492

File: 1614517434637.png (3.11 MB, 1600x1272, transcended.png)

>>98485
Leninhat: Lenin wasn't a communist, he was a coward
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 No.98493

>>98489
It's much worse. We have no Red Army to liberate us, and the bourgeoisie have almost total power, we need one.
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 No.98494

>>98492
I think we have reached peak schizo hours.
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 No.98497

>>98492
Staying at home when you're ill does NOT equal advocating workers be locked up, made to take poisonous vaccines, sacked and given conditional freedom with a vaccine "passport" (precursor to the biosecurity state).

Is everyone on this site unironically a glowie?
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 No.98498

>>98493
>NOOOO, we will literally die if we have to stay indoors for a few months. The Red Army soldiers fighting in a civil war in minus 30 degrees were way better off.
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 No.98499

>>98498
It's been well over a year. And yes, more will die because of canclled medical treatment than "corona".
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 No.98500

>>98497
The reason the UK is in the position of being forced into getting vaccine passports is because both its government and population is full of both malicious cunts and outright retards. If it wasn't such a cesspit of mindless faggotry then they could have wrapped it up within a few months.
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 No.98501

>>98497
>made to take poisonous vaccines
Why the fuck would they want to poison you?
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 No.98504

>>98501
TO MAKE YOU SICK AND MAKE YOU THINK THERE IS AN ILLNESS GOING AROUND!!!
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 No.98506

>>98504
And how is that beneficial to anyone?
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 No.98507

Denial of the existence of Corona is banned.
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 No.98512

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>>98487
>You have no way of knowing that
Reports from health professionnals working at hospitals.
>Coronavirus has not been isolated,
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

>the testing methods are notoriously dodgy

No they are not. You might not be able to tell if someone is contagious or will develop a severe case from PCRalone, but you can tell someone have the virus in their body

>and the bourgeoisie love to lie

Thinking critically and being mindlessly contrarian are two different things leninhat.
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 No.98608

>>98498
>The Red Army soldiers fighting in a civil war in minus 30 degrees were way better off.
This but unironically.

Leftists nowadays are such pussies and so comfortably well off they aren't desperate enough for healthcare that they would willingly risk coronavirus to fight tooth and nail for it. They really deserve to just be thrown out and denied healthcare for their cowardice.
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 No.98618

>>98481
>Today I will remind them
Fucking coward necrophiliac leftists fetishizing 100 year old politicians in completely different historical circumstances to try to justify their inaction
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 No.98624

>>98070
And where are you from, Jackass?
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 No.98629

File: 1614527144187.png (53.81 KB, 1200x1200, 145540230854.png)

>>98618
>Fucking coward necrophiliac leftists fetishizing 100 year old politicians in completely different historical circumstances to try to justify their inaction
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 No.98632

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>>98608
>fight for healthcare by going and getting corona and dying
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 No.98636

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>>98618
>Fucking coward necrophiliac leftists fetishizing 100 year old politicians in completely different historical circumstances to try to justify their inaction
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 No.98647

>>98632
Do you know how many people on average die every year from lack of healthcare even before coronavirus? They didn't magically stop dying because people stopped going out retard.
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 No.98650

>>98647
>oh you don't want people to die? yet they died before covid
>curious
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 No.98651

>>98650
If you don't want them to die why aren't you going out to fight for their healthcare dumbass? Just proof you never cared about them in the first place.

Leftists think shelter-and-die in place is a substitute for proper healthcare.
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 No.98666

>>98651
I'm starting to suspect this line of argument is one big cope for being so retarded you accidentally over half a million people.
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 No.98668

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>>98651
>why aren't you going out to fight for their healthcare dumbass?
Are we not?
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 No.98686

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>>98668
You couldn't even create a new Red Army from thin fucking air, pathetic.
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 No.98700

>>98666
>>98668
There hasn't been any healthcare movement of significant enough size to make a splash in the news.

Clearly not enough leftists have been fired from their jobs and denied healthcare and subsequently gotten sick, so they feel no need to go out and fight for it.
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 No.98702

>>98700
Didn't M4A happened?
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 No.98704

>>98485
Temperature of Pluto IQ
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 No.98707

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>>98507
Based jannoid BTFOing the schizos once and for all
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 No.98717

>>98507
>NOOOOOOO! YOU CAN'T JUST BAN ME FROM PROPAGATING MY SCHIZO LIBERTARIAN-TIER TALKING POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED BY LITERALLY EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH, THAT'S INTELLECTUAL COWARDICE! Y-Y-YOU GUYS AREN'T REAL COMMUNISTS!
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 No.98795

>>98704
>leninhat

Are you really surprised?
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 No.98804

>>98506
Don't you get it? The capitalists want to destroy the workers so they can aid the revolution. You're all scum and cowards incapable of starting a revolution, so Bezos has to do it himself.
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 No.98827

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Sociopathy/psychopathy doesn't exist and are just pseudoscientific bourgeois buzzwords designed to dehumanize (predominantly) poor for not sympathizing with the class interests of upper-middle class suburbanites, and doing what the rich already do on a smaller scale (theft, killings, animal cruelty)
Likewise you cannot be a communist without being anti-social under capitalism
-Your "anti-imperialism" and "critical support" is entirely fucking meaningless if its not backed up by action
-In general saying you're a 'socialist' is as meaningful as saying youre a nazi if all you do is type words on the internet but fail to disrupt anything
-The problem with most of the Left is not only that its useless, but that too many people expect others to save them while refusing to take any risks themselves
-Your average lumpen criminal is far more redpilled and more socialist than some student "activist" that has read all the collected works of Marx and Lenin
-Denouncing expropriation and telling people to "wait for the revolution" is classist and probably means youre petite bouj/PMC
-Camatte was right. The struggle of communism is one of those that refuse to be enslaved by Capital, and not rich vs poor, or even workers vs capitalists
-Personal property will be abolished just like private property (see Rafiq). As will children and sexual reproduction
The insurrection is now. Stop making excuses
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 No.98832

>>98827
>children will be abolished
based
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 No.98839

>>98827
psychopathy is more often diagnosed with wealthy people, you must be american
>being anti-social is a good thing under capitalism
again, that's what the capitalist class is, the working class is inherently socially oriented out of most basic self interest
you're just a retarded lumpenfaggot
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 No.98840

>>98827
>designed to dehumanize (predominantly) poor
Studies mostly show they are in the upper class mostly,they just use it where it's convenient.
>Likewise you cannot be a communist without being anti-social under capitalism
probably.
>-Your "anti-imperialism" and "critical support" is entirely fucking meaningless if its not backed up by action
Do niggas really think it mattered ? I thought it was just intellectual larping for the fun of it.
>lumpen criminal
even after reading,I still have no clue what exactly are lumpen,and people screaming that the criminal "class" isn't lumpen didn't help me on that.
>Denouncing expropriation and telling people to "wait for the revolution"
People do that ? wtf.
>Camatte was right. The struggle of communism is one of those that refuse to be enslaved by Capital, and not rich vs poor, or even workers vs capitalists
Aren't you just trying to justify/explain your current life as the best with that ? I mean sucking your own dick is cool and all,but can you explain more on that ?
>Personal property will be abolished just like private property (see Rafiq). As will children and sexual reproduction
Don't remember that Rafiq post,and I have a difficult time seeing how it will happen,but ok I guess,won't change anything for me.
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 No.98851

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Here’s my radical idea
Those who commit ideological crimes; i.e. being libertarians, anarcho-capitalists, neoliberals, or fascists must be subjected to medieval punishments, mere firing squads are not enough, we need to look through the “interrogation techniques” of the Spanish Inquisition
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 No.98921

>>81160
Anyone who supports the retarded family structures of old is a subhuman ,early ussr was correct that the state should make sure that childrens can be free from their parents and help push the communist cause
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 No.98935

>>98921
Also the anti heroes of the 2000s were anticommunist propaganda
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 No.98947

>>98851
Ow the edge. Go outside incel. At most these people need to be blacklisted from holding political power, these are still human beings we're talking about, especially the non-fascists.
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 No.98952

>>98935
Interesting theory…explain?
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 No.98953

Corporations aren’t bad, it’s the profit incentives that shareholders and investors that make it bad. Beyond that I have no problem with corporate structure.
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 No.98958

>>98947
Seconded. This type of shit just makes us look bad, there are other ways through (that don't include mass murder) to limit and control problematic ideologies. All this does is create martyrs.
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 No.98962

>>98947
>They still be human beings
The only thing in nature capable of being evil is the human
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 No.98967

>>98827
>Your average lumpen criminal is far more redpilled and more socialist than some student "activist" that has read all the collected works of Marx and Lenin
Too based for this board, deadchan when?
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 No.98977

>>98952
Inspired by Ayn Rand the american writers considered the current state of the world as beneath them
This was potrayed through the idea that the average person was either stupider than the viewer(even if he was activelly partaking in politics or activism to change the establishment) or by the idea that the average person is somehow corrupt (thus pushing fashism)
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 No.98987

>>98977
I still don't quite get what you're saying. How exactly is the viewer taught this, other than typical "premium TV" pretensiousness? Is the anti-hero archetype meant to be identified with by the viewer or not? (this has been debated a lot even in the mainstream liberal discourse)
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 No.99034

>>98987
First we need to seperate the anti hero as a trope(that includes even joke characters ) with the anti hero of the 90s and 2000s
Also from anti heroes who are supposed to be parodies of edgy characters but then edgelords adopted them (see watchmen)
A nice example is family guy ,the wasp protagonist is stupid to the point of retardation so most things he and other characters say are supposed to be jokes against people tha agree with him
On the other hand in a post 9/11(and a post clinton i will add) world people were finding their own ways to fight establishment norms
But we got retarded south park who despite criticizing the masses as mindless and stupid(and politics as an inherrent expansion of human stupidity) while at the end adding the but we shouldnt be anti goverment
Yes americans are extremely scared of terrorism but you should support the war in iraq cause the goverment is stupid but not bad
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 No.99065

>>99034
Wasn't the major point of Watchmen was that it's a deconstruction of the superhero genre? Part of that edginess I feel was intentional and face-value because they sought to deconstruct the unrealistic ideals of goody-two-shoes Superman and "never kills" Batman. Although I looked it up and the Punisher dates back all the way to 1974 and Watchmen wasnt until the 80's, so I guess there was already the edgelord anti-hero for Moore to satirize.
I don't really see how animated comedy shows can be construed as portraying anti-heros tbh. That certain kind of snark you describe definitely skyrocketed with South Park and Family Guy but isn't essentially different from the Three Stooges saying stupid things for laughs. South Park and Family Guy were only really able to take off because of the established success of the Simpsons, which was largely a satire of traditional American sitcoms. Family Guy really is more like a variety show that takes the format of the Simpsons. South Park is interesting because you see them in earlier years relentlessly mocking the liberal establishment to the point where the term "South Park Republicans" was coined. But as Stone+Parker gradual became the liberal elite themselves, their parodies came more in line with the people they used to mock. Even recanting the episode making fun of Al Gore/global warming
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 No.99120

>>99065
>Wasn't the major point of Watchmen was that it's a deconstruction of the superhero genre? Part of that edginess I feel was intentional and face-value because they sought to deconstruct the unrealistic ideals of goody-two-shoes Superman and "never kills" Batman. Although I looked it up and the Punisher dates back all the way to 1974 and Watchmen wasnt until the 80's, so I guess there was already the edgelord anti-hero for Moore to satirize.
Hmm i think the weird mask guy was a critic of the ideological back bone of superheroes rather than edgy heroes ,aka the super hero must be an elitist asshole

Southpark started as a criticism(a little late tbh) of media cencors but the creators were generally libs ,see the ending of team america
The idea south park started the whole "political ideologies are inherently bad or dogmatic"
I whouldnt call it anti liberal
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 No.99150

>>81168
> working is stupid and warped
There's a reason Native Americans preferred death over working for the white man
> prison is a horrible deterrent to crime and should be abolished completely. Even if it were effective, the concept of holding humans in cages is disturbing

i agree but i dont think either of the above opinions are remotely radical in Marxist spaces.
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 No.99163

>>99120
I never got into Watchmen, so I don't know tbh.
I also pretty much forgot Team America existed so I just now see what you meant by the Iraq war stuff earlier. And I didn't mean anti-liberal in the real sense, as South Park is inherently super liberal, but that they mocked liberals in the American sense ie: Democrats, the burgeoning political correctness culture and censoriousness exemplified by Tipper Gore, Hillary and the like.
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 No.99190

>>97450
go back
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 No.99195

>>98851
>ideological crimes
no such thing
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 No.99264

>>81184
>Cities and urban life is incompatible with communism and communism will entail the emptying of the cities.
how the actual fuck is this supposed to happen
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 No.102256

I hope one day a strongman Pan-Arab leader does what Hitler did to the Jews in Europe to the Jewish settlers in the illegitimate state of Israel. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a natsoc or anything, and I think the holocaust was one of the most tragic events in human history, but this time it would be justified.
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 No.102258

>>102256
No ,the unapologetic settlers in west bank should be killed and anyone who supports zionism in a mainstream state for jews in palestine thing should be tied to rockets and send to tel aviv ,buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the jews who are born and raised in israel are by all means natives to the lands now
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 No.102316

Every conflict between ethnies should be solved by mandatory interbreeding and the erasing of the belligerent respective cultures, language and faith
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 No.102343

File: 1614731843343.mp4 (5.01 MB, 360x240, chicken.mp4)

The confederacy should've won
Town squares and city centers should NOT be accessible to vehicular traffic, only to pedestrians or public transportation.
Dialectics are egregores
Age of consent needs to be combined with a maturity test to determine whether someone is actually mature enough to do anything at all which could harm society if they do it.
Bioweapons, diseases, ideological brainwashing and viruses are the best way to destroy global capitalism, because local violence, or nukes, or war, aren't enough to infect and kill it.
Getting high and banging people is actually praxis because it fights capitalist atomization and you should do it more often
Crime is actually an economic practice to keep rent prices down by keeping real estate cheap
Both parties in america should not be distinguished at all and should be tallied for their death toll, in conjunction with eachother, because america is a two-party dictatorship
Universal basic income is cringe but a food/water ration, guaranteed work, and basic housing should be implemented as soon as possible due to the inability of starving homeless people to be contributing members of society
There is a lgbt bourgeoisie and an lgbt proletariat and they should be distinguished in their behavior and contributions to society
Pluralism is preferable to state atheism
Being NEET/a welfare leech is okay because it's better and easier than being a wagie, and it's better to give tax money to a NEET than it is to give it to the CIA or something.
Communists should go for hikes sometimes. Just go outside and walk around.
Ugly people are treated worse than normal people and ugly trans people are actually proof that trans people should be given better healthcare because ugliness is a failure of the healthcare system and pills/cosmetic surgery for a better appearance is the solution (but srs is cringe tho)
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 No.103919

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I have realized that white genocide is not part of the globalist agenda, because whites are the cattle and whiteness is a brand of ownership by westernoids.
Think about it. As the west expands its influence, all of a sudden arabs, mexicans, east asians, and slavs all become part of the white identity. Why? Because whiteness is the behavior of being a cattle wageslave who goes to work early, stays late, doesn't get paid overtime, drives a cuckcage (a "car"), accepts social decay, accepts western totalitarianism, accepts capitalism.
The whites frown upon the "niggers", the free welfare leeches, the people who stay at home and cultivate hobbies, the people who don't work hard, or don't work at all, the people who refuse to work long hours without pay, the people who reject capitalism (lazy commies)
What group of people could possibly be better as globalist cattle?
Identifying as white is actually a symbol of how the westernoid elites own you.
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 No.103933

>>103919
Whiteness is a meme, Euros identify with regions, cultures, nations. In Britain being British is defined by an accent, which can be pinpointed to the town. A black guy with a local accent is regarded as local by most people, although people will still ask where his family comes from out of curiosity. Third generations aren't worth asking further questions, you want the interesting stories from abroad. If they tell you their parents were born in the UK not only is it rude and kind of racist to keep asking, it's boring.
I don't think a lot of Europe regard Meds as white either, but they're European. In America, being of European descent makes you white. You have to be able to trace your ancestry back several generations and look white to be European.
The Latin language speakers in Europe tend to be the most mixed of the whole continent, but at the same time they're the countries that formed the Roman Empire, so they're pretty much the founders of Europe. It would be considered very weird to start a fight with an Italian or Spaniard because of their skin colour, even on racist grounds.
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 No.103935

>>103919
>The whites frown upon the "niggers", the free welfare leeches, the people who stay at home and cultivate hobbies, the people who don't work hard, or don't work at all, the people who refuse to work long hours without pay, the people who reject capitalism (lazy commies)
The virgin white wageslave vs the chad nigger welfare recipient

This is actually a decent take, though I never believed in the idea of the "white genocide" in the first place. It would make a good counter-argument against the rightoids who believe in that shit, but they are impossible to reason with.

Also I enjoy experimenting with psychedelics but deliriants are fucking terrifying. Doing 700 of benadryl once was enough for me to not wanna ever try datura. Like all of the bullshit lies anti-drug people believe about psychedelics, but actually true.
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 No.103936

>>103919
I didn't know other drugs gave you the spiders
I thought it was just benadryl
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 No.103951

>>103936
Nah it's common, no idea what causes it. Used to get it after being awake a few days on drone.
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 No.103956

>>103936
Spiders and shadow people are common with all deliriant
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 No.103960

>>103935
I was gonna try 350 mg of benadryl this morning but i had a major hangover so i decided the experience might be just a little too unpleasurable. I still want to know what silent hill would be like IRL though.
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 No.103962

>>103960
Probably like serotonin syndrome
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 No.103969

People who support "New Afrika" and hate Israel are hypocritical retards, ethnostates are retarded no matter what ethnicity they represent
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 No.103973

>>81166

Based
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 No.103986

>>103969
That's why we should have a Communist Southern States of America, or "CSSA" for short.
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 No.103990

>>103960
I kinda blacked out when I did it so I don't remember much of it. Not sure 350mg is enough to get to silent hill level though. I understand wanting to know what it feels like so long as you are prepared to have a bad time.
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 No.103992

>>103990
Yeah, 450-500mg would probably be the sweet spot for me.
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 No.104004

>>103992
Most likely, I took way too much. Just be careful about set and setting, also I did it at home when I was in high school, and said and did some crazy shit around my family members so just isolate yourself if you don't want that to happen.
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 No.104136

>>103919
>This is what goes inside the mind of a BNWO trannie

Baffling
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 No.104141

>>102256
Most of the settlers will flee on their own, like what happened in Algeria.
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 No.104208

>>104136
WDHMBT?
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 No.104400

>>103919
those are asians thats why they call em bugmen
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 No.104404

>>81160
the talented should be held in some sort of contempt.
that which nature distributes arbitrarily, society should equalize arbitrarily.
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 No.104406

>>104136
you're too based for that flag anon.
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 No.105272

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I don't know if this is a radical belief, but a conspiracy theory I think could be true is that the British royal family murdered Diana because they didn't want her to give birth to a Muslim Arab prince who'd be in line to the throne. That's how aristocracies handle disjunctive secessions. The British will take their Arab blood money though.

I've seen /pol/ complaining about British historical characters in BBC films being portrayed by black actors. Wasn't a quarter of the globe pink at one point? Empires are meant to be diverse. It's just that they can't help glorifying their enslavement of the planet and the looting of its resources and labor for centuries, they're just now being multicultural about it.

You could say hypocrisy is part of the British national character.
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 No.105933

>>82408
t. retard masking idpol as class analysis

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