No.987276
>>987265>Why would they fuck over their biggest trading partner that their country literally wouldn't function without?Man if you think the US and PRC are both trying to achieve the same goals, then the rise in tension between them that will happen over the coming decades will be difficult to explain.
No.987278
>>987271>Then who will undermine petro-dollar unipolarity?The US being a collapsing country, it is inevitable
>B-But China had no choice but to arm jihadists and kill communists, the soviets said something meanWhy did you drop the Maoist flag? I thought you were 100% Maoist tigerblood?
No.987279
>>987270To clarify this shit and to close the issue of talmudism. Dogmatism is an unflexible adherence to dogma, while talmudism is extremely flexible justification of anything by finding quotes in dogma. They are basically opposite - at least in Russian.
No.987280
>>987272>No, unless you also think the Scandinavian countries are AESThe Scandinavian countries literally have laws against nationalization. They do not have a political state strong enough to counter capital, even if they wanted.
No.987283
>>987276China wants to trade as normal and develop their country, which will inevitably make them an unstoppable (capitalist) world power and a threat to US interests. They just want friendly relations and to chill for the next 30 years
US wants to remain the top-dog globally and unilaterally enforce their will, so a China that is not cucked to them wholeheartedly is a threat. They want a China whose economy is completely surrendered to US interests.
Both sides want the other side to be a willing pawn because their economies are so intertwined that they can't function without eachother. What is so hard to understand about this?
No.987284
<B-But China had no choice but to arm jihadists and kill communists, the soviets said something mean
I didn't say they had to, I said both parties were equally guilty in the split.
No.987285
>>987280And yet they have a welfare state against capitalist interests, sounds like you're being a dogmatist ultra that can't understand scientific socialism. Why don't you provide an alternative to SWSC (socialism with scandinavian characteristics) then?
No.987286
>>987284There's nothing about the split that justified allying with the US or killing communists, that is entirely on China, and here you are apologizing for anti-communism. Why'd you drop the Maoist flag?
No.987287
>>987285>welfare state against capitalist interestsWelfare state doesn't oppose capitalist interests as it does not seize the control of means of production from capitalists. In fact, it's the opposite, it turns workers into lumpen clients of the bourgeoisie, dependent on capitalsits for survival
No.987288
>>987230I admit I don't know much about China, but here's my observations:
- anti-dengists always get BTFOd
- anti-dengists don't have any regard for the colonized people of the world
- anti-dengists don't care about multipolarity and the end of vivious american/NATO violence and sanctioning.
- anti-dengists don't care about the real improvement of quality of life of the people of China, nor on the countries where China has opened up for trade
- anti-dengists use the same points over and over, which are tiny errors compared to the immense gains that China has done for people. Namely, Philippines, Israel, the existence of billionaires in China, and whatever the cope of the week is.
As someone from a colonized country, I wish our government was like China's. I urge you to look at videos of chinese cities or travel there if you can. Then do a similar thing in any country that is subordinate to the imperial core.
It just reeks of immense privilege to seethe about China when they have proven to be an extremely important anti-imperial-hegemon and have done things for their people that any person in the US or the imperialised countries weep in jelousy or in fraternal socialist pride.
No.987290
>>987283You are mostly correct except China's goal is to become an unstoppable socialist power which is why common prosperity is a goal. Also, starting in recent years China is also preparing to mitigate damage from economic or military war with the US. So it is not accurate to say the economies are going to be intertwined forever, the PRC sees decoupling and war as inevitable.
No.987291
>>987283>China wants to trade as normal and develop their country, which will inevitably make them an unstoppable (capitalist) world power and a threat to US interests. They just want friendly relations and to chill for the next 30 yearsYeah sure, 100%! That is how you end US hegemony. You accelerate the conditions which inherently will achieve crisis.
What China must do now, (and are doing) is construct an internal market that can weather the storm of a capitalist collapse in an internal market. China is trying to un-entangle itself from the US, while keeping the US dependent on it.
This is how unipolarity will fall.
>>987285>And yet they have a welfare state against capitalist interestsSurely well-fare and political power are different concepts.
>>987286>There's nothing about the split that justified allying with the US or killing communistsI didn't say there was, I said both sides were equally guilty of the split happening.
If I had said that allying with the US was literally justified, then I would have said only the USSR was guilty. That has not been my position.
No.987292
>>987288>anti-dengists always get BTFOdIm not even Dengist or believe that the Chinese method should be applied to anywhere else, I just think this constant China-bashing is unwarranted and is manufacturing consent for western chauvenism and dronie lefist rhetorics.
No.987294
>>987288Kys Dengbot
>>987292The China bashing is warranted due to unending anti-communist propaganda from Dengists. It wouldn't happen if they just defended China, but every single time they do that they move onto attacking everything else.
No.987295
"Dear Ze, we are fighters of the 1st and 2nd platoons of the 1st company of the 9th battalion of the 7093 military unit, we ask for help, since we have small arms, being on the first line of defense, Luhansk region, seconded to the 57th brigade, we were brought to unprepared positions to fight against enemy artillery, while there are no medics, wounded and the sick are in basements and cellars, as there are constant attacks with mortars and hail. Food is delivered once every 10 days. The battalion commander and his deputy left for an unknown destination on May 14. There are no means of communication. There is no information about the current situation. Talking about evacuation with the command that sent us here, says that we can only get 200 or 300 from here. If you try to get out of the encirclement on your own, the command of the 57th brigade will give an order for our destruction from mortars. We do not see and do not understand any other way out than to leave here. Every day we suffer significant losses, as we are not designed to perform such tasks. Bring this information to everyone!"
No.987297
>>987295>Talking about evacuation with the command that sent us here, says that we can only get 200 or 300 from here.200 or 300 means either dead or injured
No.987301
Ban that anti-China poster, why is this thread cluttered with a China discussion
No.987302
>>987279>>987270Cool concept. Thanks for the explanation.
>>987278Why is it collapsing though? It being shit internally is not "collapsing". It can be utter shit internally and still hold dominion over the world.
>>987294Kys imperialist shill. Funny how vicious anti-dengists never seethe as much for Venezuela existing, or for Bolivia's MAS. Let's be real. You don't give a fuck about anti-imperialism. You want Kingdom of Marx on Earth. We want anti-colonialism, anti-imperialism, to live well, an end to imperialist wars and subjugation. Whether China is socialist or not, it's project is immensly beneficial to the development of favorable conditions around the world (with a few small exceptions).
Again, it doesn't even matter if China is socialist. You fucking ultras will seethe that China is an anti-colonial power that doesn't fit your desires and fantasies. Fuck off lol, we're dying here assholes.
No.987304
>>987300>>987302>Anti-communists perpetually seething that every guerrilla organization rightly despises them for their international anti-communist effortsIf Venezuela or Bolivia were in the Soviet sphere you'd be justifying overthrowing it to fight social imperialism
No.987305
>>987300The only people seething are the children working in the Chinese coltan mines in Congo
No.987307
>>987224>TalmudistYou keep throwing that word around and keep strawmanning it.
>Holy shit you don't understand Lenin and classics.Neither do you.
>USSR was capitalistNow you're catching on
at least post StalinChina is capitalist,
Yes
>everything is capitalism.More or less. No AES is free from international capitalism and have had to compromise their principles in order to survive. This isn't an indictment on their part, it's just the way things are.
>Hoohoohoo. We are arguing about whether China is socialist or not with freaks like this, huh?This coming from the lad who doesn't read theory.
>A vassal state of USA. Falls apart with USA. <It doesn't have the resources and monopoly at its disposal to pursue its own agenda after the US falls. You're clearly unfamiliar with the commonwealth and the plan for CANZUK
>And China takes over through centering economy onto itself. USA will drop sanctions when they are completely useless due to everyone circumventing them through China. Right, because this will go COMPLETELY unopposed with other competing captialist powers.
>For socialism is nothing but the next step forward from the state-capitalist monopoly. Or to put it another way: socialism is nothing more than a state-capitalist monopoly, turned to the benefit of all the people and ceased to be a capitalist monopoly.>Ceased to be a capitalist monopolyDo you even read what you post you smooth brained fuckwit?
Again, China has a capitalist monopoly, as I provided here and here.
>>987146>>987181You accuse me of taking Lenin quotes out of context and yet don't even bother applying the same analysis to China. Lel.
<No, you were reading some anarkiddies who fed you Lenin in a wrong context with no understanding whatsoever of what Lenin was saying.>Unironically using the term anarkiddies in 2022. >still strawmanningOk lad, but please, continue calling me talmudic and post more anime reaction images.
No.987308
>>987304>every single guerilla organziation in the world despises China>source: I made it up>>987305>children working in the Chinese coltan mines in CongoIf we're just making up shit at this point, I am now claiming that China is fighting Congolese warlords and setting up zapatista style caracoles who now mine cobalt with Mechas given to them as gifts by Xi Jinping himself.
No.987309
>>987308Surrender accepted, another Dengist sent to the cope asylum
No.987311
>>987294>The China bashing is warranted due to unending anti-communist propaganda from Dengists. It wouldn't happen if they just defended China, but every single time they do that they move onto attacking everything else.?????????????
What? When the fuck does that ever happen?
No.987313
>>987308It's real, China dominates the mining market in DRC
>b-b-but dengoids on internet told me it wasn't real imperialism! they build roads!The money was "lost" and nothing got really built but whatever.
No.987314
>>987306
>Henry Kissinger has said that the West should stop trying to inflict a crushing defeat on Russia and suggested that Ukraine should give up territory.
>Former US secretary of state Mr Kissinger, 98, told the World Economic Forum held in Davos, Switzerland that Ukraine must begin negotiations 'before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome'.
>Dr Kissinger said the war must not be allowed to drag on for much longer, and came close to calling on the West to bully Ukraine into accepting negotiations on terms that fall very far short of its current war aims.
>“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself,” he said.
>“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself,” he said.
>He told the World Economic Forum that Russia had been an essential part of Europe for 400 years and had been the guarantor of the European balance of power structure at critical times. European leaders should not lose sight of the longer term relationship, and nor should they risk pushing Russia into a permanent alliance with China.
>The comments came amid growing signs that the Western coalition against Vladimir Putin is fraying badly as the food and energy crisis deepens, and that sanctions may have reached their limits.
>“We’re seeing the worst of Europe,” said German vice-chancellor Robert Habeck in an angry outburst in Davos, accusing Hungary and other recalcitrant states of paralysing attempts by the rest of the EU to craft a full-fledged oil embargo.
>Mr Habeck, who doubles as economy minister, said Germany is more or less ready to endure the shock of a total cut-off in Russian oil imports but others want to carry on as if nothing had changed. “I expect everyone to work to find a solution, and not to sit back and work on building their partnership with Putin,” he said.
>Yuriy Vitrenkio, head of the Ukrainian energy consortium Naftogas, said the refuseniks are demanding exemptions from the embargo on false pretences. “What they really want is a free-ride on discounted Russian oil,” he said. No.987316
>>987309I don't care about your seething about China. Anti-dengists seethe about China because their house is in absolute disorder. I have talked to comrades around the world. It's only the ones with an absolute trash socialist org, or 0 organizing experience (book clubs are not organizing), that constantly seethe about China. It's a bizarre projection which I must assume comes from utter desperation at their own condition.
Just like you.
I don't care for your seething. I pity you.
No.987318
>>987316>It's a bizarre projection which I must assume comes from utter desperation at their own condition. Sometimes its even worse than that, its based on no longer being le ebin white saviour anymore and fear that the ebil yellow peril will do a uno reverse racism on whitey
No.987322
>>987320Imperialism is when the extractive hegemon with absolute control over currency yes.
No.987323
>>987319No you retard he is trying to save NATO and Americas hold on Europe as a communist you should want this war to last as long as possible to cause the major upheaval he is talking about.
No.987324
>>987323I'll trust xi jinping judgement over yours
No.987326
Are all the mods asleep? What does the debate about dengists and china have to do about the conflict in Ukraine god fucking damnit.
No.987328
>>987324Xi likes him because he convinced nixion to open the US economy to china a policy that backfired in the lon run. This war is causing a major economic crisis in Europe one which communists can exploit minor gains for Russia would be the worst case scenario for us
No.987329
>>987326Russia is a Chinese ally and the Ukraine conflict is basically only relevant for how it builds multipolarity, as such it is merely a conflict between the Emergent Bloc and the Unipolar Hegemon. As such China is imminently relevant to the convo, also because it often weighs in on the war, and recently rebuked Russia at a BRICS meeting
No.987332
>>987318100% agree. My dissapointment with european and american socialists has just grown and grown. The only exception is those that are active in explicitly marxist leninist organizations.
I recently met an italian socialist who unironically told me that the EU should live more up to its values and take the role of world police from the US. I had heard the term "eurocentrism" but how a socialist could say such a thing just baffles me completely.
IRL I call it imperial-core anxiety. It's the anxiety that the imperial core will not be the hegemon anymore, which implies that the shit your country supports will be applied to you. As you say, "the ebil yellow peril will do a uno reverse racism on whitey".
The underlying source of the anxiety is imperial-core exceptionalism. It's only the periphery that must act purely. It's never the absolute dog shit leftist parties in the imperial core. It's always about giving orders to succesful movements, telling them how they should act, how they should manage x or y. Funny how they are so good at giving orders and condeming actions, yet their own situation is absolute trash. From which perceived authority do they feel entitled to give orders and condemn is anyone's guess. Their situation is so dreadful it surely cannot come from there. It's pure imperial-core anxiety.
No.987334
>>987332As a white western leftist who has been active in ML parties (and non-ML) it is also surprisingly common to see people argue that PRC will be worse than the US or how maybe, just maybe, we should critically support the EU, NATO or US against the "authoritarian forces" overseas.
For many western leftist, the very thought of losing bloc hegemony or racial supremacy is enough for them to at the very least consider campism, or at the very least to denounce third worlders as no better than their own imperialist govts.
These are of course the same people who would never make common front with right-wingers over anti-imperialism, the one thing that should be the absolute #1 priority to the exclusion of almost everything else if you're a leftist in the imperial core.
No.987346
>>987306He has lived long enough to become the moderate voice
No.987353
>>987349Criticism of all that exist except China
No.987355
>>987349>>987353Criticism of all things except white supremacy and the western leftists role in upholding this
No.987356
Shut the fuck up about China. Stop derailing.
No.987358
>>987349>>987353>Criticisms of enemies of the US = criticism of everything that existsImperial core exceptionalism
No.987366
>>987329There are other threads for that. This one is about the current going-ons in the conflict in Ukraine.
No.987379
>>987311 “Dengist” is itself is not something anyone call themselves, it’s an epithet meant to undermine people defending communism by attributing China’s many successes to it.
Anyway pretty obvious that Europe fucked itself incredibly hard on Ukraine. Massively intensifying the war, empowering fascism, doing long term industrial and economic damage, and ceding forever any dreams of a self-directed foreign policy. I don’t think there is even a “Europe” anymore. The yoke of the EU remains, however.
(Off-topic) No.987423
what's happening in dumbass
No.987425
>>987379Revisionist is also an epithet meant to undermine people defending "communism" by attributing capitalist development to it.
Also Europe didn't fuck itself at all, if anything it's the contrary. Europe is a negative construction that can only really exist and have some form of cohesion trough a struggle against a common foe. Yeah markets go down for a while and some stuff gets destroyed, which is very nice for future investments in the rebuilding as far as big porkies are concerned, not to mention the boost for the military industrial complex and facilitation of its related weapon system market with NATO expansion finally being justified on historically neutral countries. Eurosceptics are shut down in face of the big evil Russian menace. As for EU agency? Well this event sure put a dent in the EU/US decoupling that was happening, but in truth in the long term it could very well blow back on the US if this whole situation doesn't end up in nuclear war and maintaining good relations with China progressively affirming its place at first world power ready to do capitalism with everyone is the better deal.
No.987428
I've heard some people keep saying that Russian army has worst opsec, where did this thing come from? Aren't Ukrainians literally the ones who release their own photos on reddit.
No.987436
>>987332It's not anxiety but pure chauvinism.
No.987446
>>987426>Zelensky in the last remaining Ukrainian attack planeSo what happened to all those numbers they put out? I thought they already destroyed 3 Russian armies.
No.987455
>>987428It's because some of them used unencrypted comms at the start of the war in a very limited capacity
inb4 some little sperg seethes at me because ukrops produced propaganda of fabricated unencrypted comms recordings, and in the mind of a retard this proves that they actually never used unencrypted comms at all No.987489
>>987428basically just projection. Ukraine's mass conscripts filed literally every event they had going on to upload it to tiktok which fed Russian glowies like a fucking buffet and probably helped spread the massive early route of Ukrainian forces.
No.987501
>>987494There's just no argument against the hard hitting fact that leftypol doesn't criticize America enough. The only response I can muster is insisting you kill yourself.
No.987505
>>987501If there's one thing I know about this site, its that we never criticize the US, lol
No.987506
>>98749830k deaths in three months is World War level. Impossible
No.987508
>>987503if this video is saying that Russian soldiers are carrying around fucking iphones in the middle of an invasion its false, there have been literal videos of Russian soldiers having to hand in their phones to their COs prior to the invasion.
No.987510
>>987506It's possible. Russia says it killed 14k Ukrainian troops 2 months ago. I don't know if there are anymore recent updates.
> 14,000 Ukrainian troops Russia said it had killed March 25, and third-party estimates on Ukrainian troop casualties are not available. No.987513
>>987510I still have my doubts on both numbers. It would mean this war is super devastating, far more than many other wars in the 20th century - is that really the case from what we see?
No.987525
> Biden approval rating hits new low: poll>by Julia Manchester - 05/23/22 10:34 AM ET>Fifty-seven percent of registered voters said they disapproved of how Biden has handled the presidency, with 40 percent saying they “strongly disapprove” and 17 percent saying they “somewhat disapprove.”>Meanwhile, nearly 43 percent of voters said they approved of how Biden is handling his job. Roughly 16 percent said they “strongly approve,” while around 26 percent said they “somewhat approve.”https://thehill.com/news/campaign/3497964-biden-approval-rating-hits-new-low-poll/40% "strongly dissaprove"
16% "strongly approve"
ouch. how low can he go? you'd think a war might have helped for a bump, but ain't happening.
No.987526
>>987510You'll notice the number of Russian POWs is not going up, despite Ukrop media saying Russians are constantly surrendering. Two possibilities: 1) Ukrops aren't taking any prisoners and are executing surrendering troops; 2) Ukrops are lying and the Russians aren't surrendering.
>first video relatedlook how they treat wounded POWs, compared to how Russians treat Ukrop Nazis wounded POWs.
>picreddit comment on the first video. I'm gonna be sick.
>second video relatedmore "professional" Ukrop treatment of Russian POWs
>third video relatedUkrops talking about how they will give no quarter to Russian troops, openly admitting they do not take POWs.
This is a war crimeFor more Ukrop treatment of POWs:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/search/?q=captured%20russians&restrict_sr=1&sr_nsfw= No.987528
4th option is that Ukrainian media lied about it early on and can't keep on raising the number of POWs until it's 110% of the population of Russia, so they stopped ballooning them.
This is separate from whether or not the real number of POWs is increasing or not.
No.987531
>>987516Dawg. 41.000 combattant deaths in 10 years vs 14k deaths in 1 MONTH.
No.987533
>>987531Or 5 years I mean. Still, that's 60 months versus 1 month
No.987537
>>987531>>987533>A May 28, 2003, Guardian article reported that "Extrapolating from the death-rates of between 3% and 10% found in the units around Baghdad, one reaches a toll of between 13,500 and 45,000 dead among troops and paramilitaries."[83]
>An October 20, 2003, study by the Project on Defense Alternatives at Commonwealth Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, estimated that for March 19, 2003, to April 30, 2003, the "probable death of approximately 11,000 to 15,000 Iraqis, including approximately 3,200 to 4,300 civilian noncombatants."[84][85] No.987543
>>987537>>987537US went scorched earth in Iraq. They shelled cities indiscriminately, shot at every military aged male and anything that moved in general.
No.987552
>>987543We were talking about the military casualties. I'm showing 10k+ Iraqi soldiers died in a month.
No.987571
>>987547
People like you seem incapable of thinking about things beyond a moralist micro-perspective. war is war, its face will always be ugly.
What can you tell me about the driving factors at play which caused this escalation of fighting? Don't bring up Donetsk, Lugansk, or even Ukraine for that matter
No.987572
>>987552Did Russia really attack as hard as the USA did in Iraq?
No.987583
>>987572Who knows. I'm not following the war on that kind of level. I haven't seen any analysis coming close to explaining what battles all these casualties are coming from.
No.987677
>>987662They said Russia was encircled
I said Russia was encircling them from the middle
They called me a madman
No.987679
>>987662The funniest shit is, all the le counterattack memes died suddenly
No.987684
>>987681Sorry posting so much, but here it is with sound.
https://files.catbox.moe/exdx4b.mp4I am just pumped at the moment.
No.987686
>>987510Yeah, they're both lying, exaggerating enemy casualties and downplaying their own, like all governments do during wars. I wouldn't be surprised if both Russia and Ukraine have under ~10,000 killed each.
No.987689
>both sides are le bad
It's Russia vs. the world in terms of western propaganda.
No.987692
>>987240Everything about this bitch is so fake. Trump is a based retard.
No.987701
The division over this conflict fits a pattern I've noticed going back to fighting over Syria.
One side thinks that the problem is capitalism became reactionary in its highest stage and reached a liberal unipolar high stage within that, the other believes that liberalism is still progressive and is resolving the premodern contradictions behind 'authoritarian' states.
It's a battle of imperialist and anti imperialist or liberal and illiberal. Off to the side, ultraleftists are just kinda left out or taking up the latter division.
No.987704
>>987674Ruble rising is probably the most pathetic cope I have seen from people who claim to grasp economics.
>We are looting all of our budget into pumping up our piece of shit currency no one wants anymore and blocking all cash-outsBig win, sure fucking worked for America, but let's be honest, there is no difference from you and a burger nationalist pulling every cope in the book to justify that their empire isn't a fucking joke.
No.987707
>>987704Thank you for your input glowie.
No.987711
>>987704<We are looting all of our budget into pumping up our piece of shit currencyThat's western cope, though. Ruble is rising because demand for it increased strongly due to Europe paying in rubles.
No.987712
>>987704None of it really matters as long as russia has a positive trade balance tbh no matter how bad things get putin can stay in power as long as he doesn't loose donbass
No.987714
>>987708>if you don't like my assessmentsanticipating the wave of downboats for simply posting(a probably optimistic for Ukraine still) acknowledgement of the facts
No.987716
>>987707>Glowie is when you point simple facts that are clearly visible if you just look at rubles trade volumeAt this point I could invent new money, refuse to circulate it and say its worth 1to1 with a dollar. Would be basically just as valuable as a rouble
No.987719
>>987711How much Europe is paying is becoming more and more debatable with time. No matter anything, even if it does trade for now, in a few years time it will secure new oil routes and leave Russia to rot. Turns out imitating czar-era tactics doesn't work.
No.987722
>>987718>2nd pickill strelok
No.987725
>>987718Reminder that most of these guys will be turned to meat because apparently 9k dead in 8 years is so bad and evil that we need to depopulate the region ourselves with cannon fodder tactics.
No.987730
>>987725>LDPR does cannon fodder!!1Ukrops are desperate enough to try and target LDPR with such propaganda.
No.987731
>>987722It made me think of stalker too
No.987736
>>987541>Consortium was recently banned from Paypal's platform as well as targeted by NewsGuard, basically at the same time as MintPress/GrayzoneConsortium News
MintPress
The Grayzone
Basically officially confirmed as trustworthy news, by the ministry of truth, (which in this timeline turned out to be a payment processor ?) .
Is there a list of other news sources that got the same seal of approval, i want to avoid disinformation.
No.987738
>>987736>GreyzoneLost every single bit of credibility with anti-vaxxer shit
No.987748
>>987745Are you feinting retardation (like the northern front)? Now post ruble trade volume
No.987751
>>987748Post aliexpress exchange rate
No.987752
>>987748Doesn't matter because you're paying for gas at that rate :^)
No.987759
>>987750Spare the straw. No one said anything about surrender (especially not with the Kadyrovite blocking battalions they won't). Point is that their lives are completely valueless to Russia as it doesn't give a single shit about their oppression. Its blatant that Russia only cares to stop NATO expansion at their borders.
>>987752Good thing I am not in a country impacted by Ruski corporatist oil companies.
No.987763
>>987751You need to pay me one billion dollars to buy a single glowiecoin. How about that? It appears I won and glowcoin is the worlds strongest currency.
No.987770
>>987759>especially not with the Kadyrovite blocking battalions they won'tWake the fuck up, Ukraine is considering putting it in a law to allow battlefield execution of deserters. What blocking battalions from Russian side, you retard? Ukraine is the one doing it
No.987772
>>987763Yeah, post aliexpress exchange rate. Prices for chinese goods are lower than before the war, people are buying chinese shit up
No.987775
>>987734
>You DO realize Chinese cucked Putin and will only pay in Yen, right?
As opposed to US dollars? Wow, so 'cucked,' real countries bend over for the west.
No.987777
>>987775>More imbecilic goalpost pushingThe point is they aren't paying in Rubles
No.987779
>>987777>more misunderstanding of global economicsevery state that isn't an enemy of the US makes most of their transactions in dollars
No.987780
>>987777And? China is not an unfriendly country. Every unfriendly country is paying in roubles.
No.987781
>>987734
You literally just made 3 out of 4 of those up. If you had a point, you wouldn't need to lie lol
No.987784
>>987783Ukrainization by Galicia very much is colonization, as is selling our the country to European capital
Ironically it's Donbass that is fighting an anti colonial struggle against the nationalist revisionism of a multicultural former SSR
No.987785
>>987783how hasn't that moron been disappeared by azovoids yet
No.987787
>>987783>people who oppose me are colonial slutshaming rapistsall politics is sexual pathology
No.987790
>>987759<Its blatant that Russia only cares to stop NATO expansion at their borders. There is more to it than that
>You see, actually, in my opinion, Paul, what happens is that you begin to see after 2011/2012/2013, you begin to see these moves taking place in Eurasia. Russia is beginning to integrate a little bit with China, initially through the BRICS block, but then also bilaterally, they start to open discussions about solving their border conflict, which was only solved a few years ago. Then in 2013, when Xi Jinping announced the ‘One Belt One Road’ initiative, which became the ‘Belt and Road’ initiative, this began to pose problems. Seventeen Eastern European and Central European countries join the ‘Belt and Road’ project. Poland has been a member since 2015. That’s really interesting. Italy joined in 2019.
>In my view, the struggle around Ukraine intensifies because Ukraine has become a frontline state in a battle between two perspectives. One is the natural progression of European integration into Eurasia. This integration is taking place number one because Russia has become a principal supplier of energy to Europe. Why is it a principal supplier of energy? Because the West cuts Europe’s accord to Iran. First, with the pressure on Iran, the sanctions on Iran, and secondly, after 2011, the West cuts the pipeline from Libya. Two principal sources of energy for Europe are offline. Russia takes up the slack. Russian oil and natural gas get pumped into Europe in a way to substitute for these two.
>So Europe becomes integrated with Russian energy exports, and it gets very much integrated into China’s new ‘Belt and Road’ initiative. I mean, the very fact that Poland, which is a right-wing government, joined the ‘Belt and Road’ in 2015 now goes unremarked. People don’t discuss this. One approach was this natural integration of Europe into the ‘Belt and Road’. The United States contested this by firstly saying there were security concerns in Chinese companies like Huawei, ZTE and so on. Europe has to break ties and must ban them. The United States can’t compete with China on an equal commercial footing, so it’s relying on its force to put Chinese companies outside European markets and European integration.
>In many ways, I think the conflict around Ukraine is the frontline in this conflict about who gets to integrate into Europe. The U.S. wants Europe to reintegrate fundamentally across the North Atlantic. So the United States would prefer to send liquefied natural gas from the U.S. to Europe, but it’s much more expensive than pipe gas through Nordstream 2. Much more expensive. Also, the platforms are simply not there to receive U.S. liquefied natural gas.
>In that sense, I think it’s not just a question of NATO, Paul. If it was just NATO, well, from 1991 to 2007, the Russians didn’t have a problem with NATO. This is not [just] an issue about NATO. This is an issue about how the world must be shaped and the kind of logical dynamic of Europe’s future. Now, with the attempted breaking of the ties with Eurasia between Russia, China and Europe, Europe is going to plunge into a recession.
>Already, Olaf Scholz, the Chancellor of Germany, was no friend of Russia and very close to the Americans. He told Biden directly in Brussels, “look, if you ask me to ban Russian gas, we will go into a recession in Germany, and that’s going to be catastrophic.” Europe has already seen food prices go up and fertilizer prices go up. Fertilizer prices mean the next generation of food prices will go up, and it’s seen energy costs go up. Europe is paying the price, in a way, for a contest between two forms of globalization. One is the old U.S.-driven one, the North Atlantic integration, and the other is a form of integration that’s been taking place through the ‘Belt and Road’ and through the export of Russian energy.
>Well, that’s the contest in Ukraine. It’s true. The Ukrainian people are being used as a pawn in a struggle that is beyond them. This is not just about Donbas and Luhansk. This is not just about Euromaidan 2014. They are a pawn in a much bigger struggle, and that’s truly unfortunate.
>This debate about whether China or Russia should continue in foreign policy circles— well, interestingly, it’s during the presidency of Barack Obama that the United States accelerates against both. How did they do this? Well, firstly, the U.S., perhaps wittingly or unwittingly, put pressure on Russia to basically excise it from being able to control its only two warm-water ports. This is a key development against the Russians. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, there have been only two warm-water ports that the Russians could control. One was in Sevastopol, which is in Crimea on the Black Sea, and the other is in Tartus in Latakia, Syria. If they lost access to both of these, Russia would not have a year-round Navy. In 2014, Russia seized Crimea and then had a referendum, and the people voted to join Russia. Okay, but we can come back to that because Crimea was landlocked. It was not connected by land to Russia. Some of this war is about that as well. It’s not been remarked on much, but that should be discussed.
>The second thing is, in September 2015, Russia militarily intervened in Syria. Not only to protect the government of Bashar al-Assad but actually to protect its port in Tartus in Latakia. At the time, Russia felt that it actually faced an existential threat militarily. All of this is happening at the same time as the United States begins the process of pivoting to Asia. You might remember that Hillary Clinton went to India in 2011 and made a bunch of belligerent anti-Chinese speeches. So you are threatening the Russian military capacity, then you are making these noises about China, telling the Chinese you’ve got to revalue your currency, and so on.
>Well, during the Obama period, Putin and Xi Jinping, especially after 2013, start to get closer together. Now they’re getting closer together, and the first thing that happens is they settle the border claim, which goes back now 70 years. I mean, it’s incredible. Right through this period, they still had a border dispute. Xi Jinping and Putin settle that, and they start to deepen their military, economic, and of course, to some extent, their diplomatic and political ties. Now, it’s true they don’t sign a military alliance which requires if one is involved, the other has to get involved. Both of them are careful not to get involved in this. I think that was prudent. That’s very important that this didn’t happen. That would lead us into a nightmare scenario.
>Set that aside, the point is the United States government, wittingly or unwittingly, brought the Russians and the Chinese closer together. They began to understand a simple axiom. For the last generation or so, the West has been trying to turn us against each other, to use one to smash the other and then smash the remaining one. Now that line is a meme in China. People are saying don’t abandon the Russians. If you abandon the Russians, they’ll first get rid of them, and then they’ll get rid of us. Actually, you want to tell people circulating the meme that this has already happened. Remember, the Soviet Union was destroyed. Now they have, for the last several periods, been looking for the ‘Gorbachev’ who speaks Chinese to get rid of the People’s Republic of China. So that’s been on the table for a long time.
>I think this is it, whether witting or unwitting, and that’s why I say you should ask Mr. Barack Obama what his thoughts were on this issue. It’s under Obama that the process begins of putting pressure on all sides of Eurasia. Putting the heat up, and therefore bringing the two together. By the time [Donald] Trump, in 2018, said that the United States is going to withdraw from the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty, the INF, a very important treaty in the nuclear architecture of security. In 2002, the U.S. had already left the Antiballistic Missile Treaty, and with the departure from the INF, both Russia and China began to articulate to the Americans that they feared a U.S. nuclear strike on their countries, and for that, they sought security guarantees. Now, when Putin says we seek security guarantees, it’s not from Ukraine. He doesn’t need a security guarantee from Ukraine. He wants a security guarantee from the West that short-range nuclear missiles will not be placed in Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine or anywhere that can reach Moscow within five or six minutes.random chars for flood No.987798
>>987704Does it really matter if it's artificial? The original devaluation was artificial too, and it took Europe and the US inflicting massive inflation on their citizens.
Who gives a shit if Ruble has marginal ups or downs, the point is that NATO's attempt at inmiserating the Russian population by attacking the currency has failed. If you are going to point fingers on whose fucking with the proles, then NATO started this, sacrificed the welfare of their own population and even then failed to tank Russia's economy.
One could argue that it was never NATO's plan to actually achieve anything of note in Russia with sanctions, but that it was the pretext to vassalize themselves to the US and the next Marshall Plan.
No.987804
>>987783is this black savior syndrome?
No.987805
>>987803Don't post your coomer shit.
No.987809
>>987806
>justifying his own racism because someone posts rapist comics
No.987810
>>987807
>Leftypol we need to support the anti-imperalist government of Japan, Germany, and Italy against the imperialist western agression. The Italian invasion of Ethiopia is justified, ethocucks seething.
Did Ethiopia border Italy? You could've came up with better examples with Germany.
No.987811
>>987806
>mad that slavs figured out a way to have fun with art meant to dehumanize them
No.987817
>>987814
>if
But they're not doing that?
No.987818
>>987783I wish every single Palestinian in the world could see this, whether they're living in Gaza, the West Bank, or in the diaspora and know they're 100% fully justified in their struggle to uproot the Zionist entity and the hypocritical Western takes on their conflict should not even cross their minds.
No.987840
>>987817They bomb cities and kill a fuck ton of civies yeah. In a war like that on this kind of terrain the one advantage a weaker defender has is the use the cities for guerilla to negate the technological and numerical superiority of its adversary. As such Russia is forced to destroy a good chunk of Ukrainian urban centers thus killing and maiming a huge number of civilians, and that's not counting civies deaths resulting of faulty intelligence and psycho/incompetent soldiers. But it's the same as all modern wars really, at the end of the day civies take the burnt of it and their suffering dwarf military casualties.
No.987844
>>987840Are you a fresh immigrant, or did you miss all the footage of civilians being less than impressed with Ukrainian soldiers
deliberately using civilians to hide their equipment?
No.987849
>>987820
Why are you still here, Russian lib?
No.987851
>>987844He's been here ever since Azovstal fell. He's a self-hating Russian expat, probably a glowie because his operating hours correspond to US Eastern Time working hours.
No.987854
>>987803the ass on that tied-up marauder, DAMN
No.987855
>>987851>He's a self-hating Russian expat, He's probably the Russian Chilean. He's been here for awhile.
No.987858
>>987847
>your news sources
>carefully curated
Is making false equivalences your full time job? I mean, do you actually get paid to post this dogshit? I barely read "news". I peruse phone footage and maps compiled by autists.
No.987860
Energy bills likely to rise by £800 in October, says Ofgem chief
>Jonathan Brearley tells MPs price cap due to rise to about £2,800, blaming soaring cost of wholesale gas and electricity
>The shock increase in the cap would push up the average bill by more than £800, after the regulator increased it by £693 in April to £1,971.
>Brearley told parliament’s business, energy & industrial strategy committee that the figure was provisional, but was based on the most accurate estimate at the moment.
>He said he would be writing to the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, this afternoon to confirm that the soaring cost of wholesale gas, which has risen by as much as 10 times the normal price in recent months, and a spike in electricity costs, were to blame for the increase.https://archive.ph/eHwpR No.987861
>>987844Are you an idiot? My post implied that I knew this, using human shields is a basic tactic in this type of warfare, it's part of how to efficiently run the defense of a city. Like collateral damage is part of the offense. It's war, not a disney movie where the good guys do good things.
No.987863
>>987860Rising bills two-fold to own Russkies, while Russkies themselves don't experience a rise in bills at all.
No.987872
>>987863>Russkies themselves don't experience a rise in bills at all.Is this true?
But no, the crisis has been going on even before the war, despite what you filthy little propagandists carrying water for hte tory party would like to claim.
No.987873
>>987860800 pounds, pfft, that's nothing. I certainly have 800 pounds to defend democracy in Ukraine. I'll just put a couple more hours in with Uber and Lyft and pooft, 800 more pounds.
No.987874
>>987858So… in other words all your knowledge stems from retarded literally who's that just so happen to agree with your opinion on who is le good and who le bad? And then you present yourself as some form of expert in what is real Ukranian crimes and what is faked Russian crimes? Jokes write themselves….
No.987877
>>987242>To give an example of where dogmatism was overzealously applied in a harmful manner, Chinese engineers in the 70s had to quote mine Engels to justify their development of the 5.8mm x 42 caliber bullet. source? sounds like a fun story
No.987879
just got back from work, any good news?
No.987880
>>987874Don't bothered, anon. the retards ITT have all convinced themselves not reading any news is based actually, and they'll wank each other off defending this nonsense until the end of time.
No.987882
>>987879Natoids are going bankrupt.
No.987892
>>987886Not everyone that lives in UK has to be british, you absolute burger ethnonationalist brain.
No.987921
>>987880because reading news is futile, MSM in Ukraine and the West is fucking dogshit lies 99% of the time or pure cope. Russian MSM keeps their cards close to their chest so as to not compromise the military and so has limited information, the only information you can get is from people monitoring the situation on the ground like Patrick Lancaster, Graham Phillips, Russell Bentley and others like them.
No.987934
>>987915>Pls send more weaponsI wonder if and when this conflict draws to it's eventual end how many Ukrainian officers and officials will just jump ship and on the way out start selling all the western aid to anybody who is willing to pay. Like every schizo militant group in Europe will have their own suicide drones and howitzers.
No.987937
>>987934>how many Ukrainian officers and officials will just jump ship and on the way out start selling all the western aid to anybody who is willing to payThey already are, someone posted a rport about Western 'aid' being resold by the Ukrainian military to others.
No.987939
>>987923It's a report about human rights abuses
No.987940
>>987937what did they sell and where?
No.987942
>>987940I heard NATO AT ended up in Hamas' hands through the black market. Wasn't aware there was an entire report.
No.987944
>>987940NTA but i think there's a video of some javelins being sold, i remember seeing it. not sure what report they're referring to
No.987953
>>987917
>Page 26Almost everyone says that the Ukrainian army and punishment battalions kneecap and run over feet with military vehicles. A mock firing squad is also a common practice. Sergey Mosin who had been involved in preparations for the referendum describes the torture he was subjected to because of these activities. ‘I participated in the rallies and the
referendum preparations. I was arrested on 9 November 2014 in the village of Yenakievo. For one day, they held me in the territory of the Bulavinskaya mine where they questioned me, and beat and tortured me. They hit me with gun butts on my back, hands, and ribs. I was hit and kicked on my head and body. Twice, they led me out for mock-shootings. They threatened to kill my mother, to tear her in pieces running over her with an armored vehicle.’ Michael Lyubchenko from the self-defense forces says, ‘I was arrested
during an operation. Two of my comrades were killed, other two escaped and I was among the captured. They tied our hands and put into a car. We arrived to a place unknown to me. At first, we had to sit in a pit but then we were brought in for questioning. I could not feel my hands. I saw a guy standing waist-deep in a hole in the ground and being
buried with a shovel bucket and then the truck run over him. Two members of the self-defense forces were sent to a minefield but one of them said, “No,
I’d prefer you shot me dead right here.” Then they started shooting his toes first, then going up all the way to the groin, every new bullet hole about five
centimetres from the previous one. When the shooter was done with one leg, he proceeded to the other one. He was shooting an assault rifle.’
>this is who the USA just gave 40 billion to No.987955
BREAKING
>Turkey to 'indefinitely suspend' the Montreux Conventions and allow a NATO flotilla to enter the Black Sea. Citing the impending grain crisis and 'certain promises' from other NATO partners, Erdogan's government has taken the unprecedented step of allowing belligerent warships to enter the Black Sea. The NATO mission will be limited to escort much needed shipments of Ukrainian grain to customers in Africa and the Middle East. The Royal Navy is expected to lead the defensive humanitarian operation.
BREAKING
No.987956
>>987940>>987942>>987944It got posted ITT about a month ago and I didn't save it. It basically detailed a bunch of higher-up commanders in the Ukrainian military selling off Javelins, and a bunch of Polish stuff including a couple tanks to "unknown" buyers in the Middle East.
No.987963
>>987117>They have been slowly drifting towards /k/ , r/noncredibledefense with a side of patsoc "america first" on the Ukraine proxy war.they've been drifting towards murica1st for a while now. Talk to them about immigration and you'll see it. Too many of them think ice camps are based and necessary and that immigrants "can't be class conscious because of the language barrier and should gtfo"
No.987992
>>987956>>987959>>987968found a related report/article covering historical precedents for weapons given to Ukraine ultimately ending up in other war zones in the sum of billion(s) of dollars.
>The sudden influx of such large quantities of weapons into Ukraine, increases the likelihood of their criminal diversion. Most of the weapons in the black market can be traced to the previous conflict in Ukraine. After 2014 when the Trump administration approved commercial sale of lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine, arms and ammunition worth €1.2bn were routed to Middle Eastern countries, fuelling the unrest in Syria and Yemen. According to an investigative report by the Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) “Since the outbreak of war in Syria, weapons from Central and Eastern Europe have flooded the conflict zone (see: https://www.occrp.org/en/makingakilling/) through two distinct pipelines – one sponsored by Saudi Arabia and coordinated by the CIA, and the other funded and directed by the Pentagon.” Eastern Bloc weapons and ammunition were transported from Black Sea ports to the military ports of Aqaba, Jordan, and Agalar, Turkey through cargo ships commissioned by the Pentagon’s Special Operations Command (SOCOM). The 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate which exploded in the port of Beirut on August 4 2020, can in fact be traced to a network of arms dealers and shell companies controlled by Ukrainians.
>According to the Small Arms Survey, there are roughly 1.2 million legal firearms in Ukraine – and around 4 million illegal weapons, many of them fully-automatic military weapons. Ukraine is believed to have one the biggest arms trafficking markets in Europe. Many of the arms now in the control of non-state groups in Ukraine fall into the hands of organised crime groups selling arms to the Middle East often through Odessa. These weapons include everything from fully automatic military rifles to RPGs. In 2019 Ukrainian soldiers attempted to sell a collection of weapons including 15 RPG 22 rockets for just $2900. in 2020 a member of the Ukrainian armed forces in Odessa sold several items including grenades and anti tank mines (see: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/01/21/why-sending-anti-tank-weapons-to-ukraine-may-end-badly/). This situation may develop into a repeat of the 1980s when US weapons given to Afghan Mujahideen turned on the black market in Pakistan.
>The war in Ukraine may also become a theatre to showcase the latest weaponry in the global arms market. For instance Turkey is scouting buyers for its STM 500 mini attack submarines, which it has deployed in the Black sea to display its efficiency in counterbalancing Russia. The US may not have to push hard for its $6 billion Abrams tanks sale to Poland.
>After disastrous results in nearly all its military involvements the US must examine the significant risks involved in weapons transfers. The negative consequences of American arms sales to conflict zones outweigh any security or economic benefits they produce. In the case of Ukraine too, the possibility is that weapons will lead to unpredictable consequences ending up in the hands of contingent users.https://thekootneeti.in/2022/03/11/americas-dangerous-track-record-arms-supplies-to-ukraine/https://archive.ph/UWTanhttps://archive.ph/5nvhjhttps://archive.ph/jxyy2 No.987994
>>987878>>987886What the fuck is wrong with their teeth? Is this the result of fabled "safe to drink tap water" metric the other retard was bringing up the other day where Russia was in the shitters and UK in top ten?
No.987997
>>987984>Russia and China now doing one of the things that the Soviets requested to do before the Sino-Soviet split but China's refusal only raised tensions between the two countriesLove to live on the most retarded planet in the solar system
No.988003
>>987997>China bad because they refused to become revisionist like the Soviet blocLook where's China now and where's USSR. Revisionism was a sure path towards dissolution.
No.988004
>>988003Who are you quoting China sperg? Does the janny need to come and tell you off again?
No.988005
>>988003China is revisionist as well my friend. Except they kept the socialist aesthetic. They are barely socialist even in a 19th century sense.
No.988014
>>987790He's saying NATO expansion was part of containing/dividing Eurasia while steeling the ties of continental Europe and the Atlantic.
No.988018
>>988003> refused to become revisionist I wish your alternative reality was true
No.988028
>>988014i agree, however i have found that there are some people i talk to who are aware of 'NATO expansion's role in escalating the fighting and provoking Russia's response, however they aren't aware of how NATO expansion necessarily fits into the more macroeconomic scope of things.
I think Vijay gives a pretty easy to follow overview to pair the two things in that interview, so figured I'd post it and have something easy to copy/paste to some friends online
No.988038
>>987959>declared a faket.snopes
No.988040
>>987968>StopfakeAh yes the same group that claimed MH-17 is Russian and other nonsense. Literal Snopes tier.
No.988043
>>988040i.e. it's confirmed
No.988047
>>988043> it's confirmedPosting under a tankie flag doesn't make you immune. It's confirmed? By who? A group of fakers pretending to be debunkers?
No.988054
>>988047Yup. Lying still contains respect for the truth and an effort is made to obscure it. It's bullshitting that doesn't. So if you can tell if someone is lying to you, instead of just bullshitting, you can still deduce what is true. And StopFake are definitely liars.
No.988071
<multiples groups of Ukrainian servicemen go on record stating they refuse to fightThe 3rd video is the fighters of the 115th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who refused to carry out orders and are now in a pre-trial detention center awaiting Ukrainian authorities I guess
Here's another that was too big to upload. translation below:
https://files.catbox.moe/32ll1n.mp4>We are appealing to you because our command does not hear us and ignores all our requests, setting subsequent tasks that we cannot perform.
>Commander-in-Chief, we do not refuse to defend our homeland and fulfill our direct obligations as military personnel who took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine and the independence of our country. We hope for your help and understanding.
>Commander-in-Chief, the leadership of the 58th brigade came to us today, and they already want to take our people by three or four men and put them in prison, as they say.
>Today is May 22, we don’t want to be cannon fodder. We want to defend our country, but we are not given such an opportunity. We are being sent without any training to the battlefield. As you can see on this appeal, there are a lot of military personnel among us. Before the mobilization, some of them had never held a weapon in their hands, let alone any training. This video shows that these servicemen do not even have any means of personal protection. We are running out of food, drinking water. They are constantly trying to bury us, and so far they have succeeded. We hope for your understanding and ask for your help.” No.988106
>>988100reminder that cucking the soldiers of the other side to demoralising them is praxis, as comrades we must fuck US/NATO troop wifes/Husbands.
No.988157
>>988125That's right by Kherson. Does Russia not completely control the region?
No.988159
>>988117Finland has been buying Nato compatible shit for three decades and has milliary structure and equipment more compatible with NATO than most exciting NATO countries. On the other hand the Finnish gov just gave milliary some 2 billion extra for the next few years.
No.988231
>>988203Can you play as Russia tho?
No.988241
>>988231the orc campaign dlc will be sold separately
No.988242
>>988178Every day we look at Severodonetsk, it looks less and less fresh.
No.988248
>>988217It's okay, Call of Duty taught me that when the enemy takes away the keys to your toys, courage and valor and skill will prevail and something something some other jominian garbage.
No.988252
>>987917Probably might not convince people since it comes from a Russian source and is difficult to verify
I think there were some UN reports though
No.988253
>>988203I played CSGO today and out of 10 people in the game, 5 were from Ukraine. I thought there was a war over there.
No.988257
This whole internal schism and fighting Russia and China together thing seems like late stage empire shit
No.988291
>>988252yeah they were posted like 2 posts above that one
No.988295
>>988106This ^ to be honest
Cuckrainians disgust me, but I'll do this to demoralise their abusive Ukronazi husbands. Since I'm not a cracker, it will have an even bigger effect.
After the war, I'll dump them like the rubbish terminally reactionary people that they are.
Unless I can convert them to communism and have a good personality… Nah, I'd still dump them.Never thought fucking the wives of Nazis would be the most viable anti-fascist praxis.
No.988298
>>988261Translation:
>If Russia isn't destroyed and colonized like we wanted, the imperial core's power to dominate will wane (and this is bad). NATO shills will defend this.
No.988313
>>988302Good point, but I think they will be too busy cleaning our toilets 24/7 and won't have the time to brainwash their children with Ukronazi brainrot.
No.988321
>>988295>literally being a /pol/ meme about black peopleLMAO do burgers really?
No.988343
>>988045the funniest shit about this whole deification of the Ukraine we're seeing is that the best counterargument is from the very same sources which are currently painting them out to be angels.
But yeah, I'm calling it right now, the Azow Regiment being a heroes that have absolutely nothing to do with the Azow movement will become the mainstream position in the West in around a month.
No.988347
>>988298By far one of the biggest political problems in the present is how liberalism has come to rationalize imperialism and a kind of international supremacy not achievable by any other imperialist in history. It takes the struggle to achieve one uniform, integrated nation over a traditional elite and its outlying provinces then projects it outwards to the backward nations. This is also being applied in reverse to decaying national classes at home, like the rural petit bourgeois. This is what globalization and its crisis made us slip into and realign around.
No.988392
>>988203I played CSGO today and out of 10 people in the game, 5 were from Ukraine. I thought there was a war over there.>>988343
>But yeah, I'm calling it right now, the Azow Regiment being a heroes that have absolutely nothing to do with the Azow movement will become the mainstream position in the West in around a month.Month? Have you been living under a rock? That's already the mainstream position in the West. Along with "they stopped being nazis once they became part of the Ukrainian armed forces" and "majority of Azov aren't political at all, it's only a small minority that are". It used to be "they may be Nazis but they're fighting Russia and we should support them now and deal with the Nazis later". Denying they are Nazis is worse, because that means there isn't a problem.
No.988397
>>988378>drops out of the race, licks Hillary's feet<still gets blamed for the loss>drops out earlier for Biden, campaigns for him hard<doesn't get an influential cabinet position, while Kamala Harris came 4th in her own state was named VP>Bernie votes for the $40B Ukro package<still gets called a Russian botwhy is he such a cuck?
No.988399
>>988397>why is he such a cuck?who knows. he's a pathetic sheepdog who still gets treated as the villain. And the worst part is, most people will never know or care. He fails even as an example of why compromise doesn't work, because the propaganda is too effective for most people to realize how compromised he is
No.988400
>>988397The mf is about to expire from old age anyway. He should just go all in and not apologize to libs.
No.988401
>>988378is Bernie against expanding NATO? What did I miss?
No.988413
>>988401no, he's entirely in favor of it. they just throw him under the bus because he's a massive cuck and a convenient scapegoat
No.988415
>>988400>He should just go all in and not apologize to libs.he has a family so he won't
No.988427
>>988426How is a tie worth 900 dollars
No.988429
>>988427inflation, inshallah
No.988430
>>988203Play Call to Arms, it has playable LDPR
No.988431
>>988427a better question is where do you find a Quran for zero dollars.
No.988433
>>988431Steal one from a hotel in a muslim area
No.988435
>>988433is this anarchist praxis?
No.988443
>>988438depends on where you live tbh.
No.988454
>>987334>These are of course the same people who would never make common front with right-wingers over anti-imperialism, the one thing that should be the absolute #1 priority to the exclusion of almost everything else if you're a leftist in the imperial core.you had a good poitnt going until this, you people will never ever learn until it's too late that the current crop of right wingers has no platform other than violence as the end rather than means. you have to oppose both the status quo freaks and rightoid ultraviolence sadists simultaneously, it is both possible and the best long term solution
No.988458
>>988446my condolences, hopefully, your don't live in an area where you could die of leadu poisoningu
No.988463
>>988454>the current crop of right wingers has no platform other than violence as the end rather than meansi assume the other anon isn't talking about /pol/tards but normie rightoids like le pen or something
No.988469
>>988454>>988463Yes. I mean like Rand Paul or something.
No.988507
>>988454He is right though, there's a curious 'first campism at home, third campism abroad' when it comes to the Western left. It's the opposite of what it should be
And the place that comes from is trying to making the bourgeois democratic revolution a permanent one even after it became imperialist. It means bizarrely going to war for 'democracy' against backward nations and dying rural classes. It's all based on critiques of structures that paradoxically are divorced from the ruling class.
No.988545
>>988480As if Ukraine isn't already crawling with US advisors, spec-ops and glowies.
No.988590
Has the Copeocalypse begun yet?
>>987332good post
No.988618
>>988591These right wingers remind me of those girls who would write all over their backpacks and notebooks to decorate them back in middle school.
>muh aesthetics>Queer eye for the rightwing guyWhat total faggots.
No.988638
>>988618I mean I think it's just a soldier thing, without much to do in a trench doodling on your gun might be a way to pass the time.
Still funny what he decided to write, just random names of obscure-ish nazis he fangirls over and
LOVE RACISM No.988644
<US to end Russia’s ability to pay international investorshttps://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-janet-yellen-government-and-politics-20dbb506790dddc6f019fa7fdf265514>WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. will close the last avenue for Russia to pay its billions in debt back to international investors on Wednesday, making a Russian default on its debts for the first time since the Bolshevik Revolution all but inevitable.We are back on the "default" psyop.
Maybe *this time* the proles will believe their inflation is defeating Russia!
No.988651
>>988644>for the first time since the Bolshevik RevolutionRussia defaulted in 1998 though.
No.988659
>Ukraine war thread
>China
>188
rent free.
No.988702
>>987686cope
Russia isn't telling the truth, because their own confirmed enemy casualties counts undersell the impact they're having.
No.988714
!!! jfc these nazoids
>Zelensky's ruling party proposed a new law in parliament for summary executions of Ukrainian military deserters. Then withdrew it when it caused a scandal.https://www.unian.net/politics/skandalnyy-zakonoproekt-o-rasstrele-dezertirov-otozvali-novosti-ukraina-11840007.htmlhttps://nitter.it/MarkAmesExiled/status/1529135181059264513#m
>42% accept if Ukraine abandons pursuing NATO membership provided the security guarantees from the main Western powers. 39% would still insist on joining NATO no matter whathttps://nitter.it/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1529128505476251648#m No.988726
>>988714What the fuck do these retards think being in NATO entails?
No.988735
https://t.me/ScottRitter/81>(video)Fresh batch of US-delivered M777A2 howitzers spotted crossing into Ukraine from Poland.Notably, this batch has radio communication and GPS equipment installed, as well as antennas for measuring the muzzle velocity of the projectile of M982 Excalibur rounds.
https://t.me/ScottRitter/82>One has to ask how and why this is permitted to take place.https://t.me/ScottRitter/83>The Excalibur is a true “one shot, one kill” munition. Thousands have been provided to Ukraine by the US and Canada. The Ukrainian Army spent weeks in Germany learning how to employ this weapon. If these M777A2’s reach the battlefield, they will kill scores of Russians. That is an inescapable fact. No.988749
>>988735They're never going to reach Donbas. Grt ready for a round of "Russia mercilessly shot a train full of Ukrainian civilians who were volunteering in the territorial defense artillery. Warcrime!!"
No.988763
>>988644Won't the investors just sue US government now Since it's not really Russia defaulting, it's Washington keeping the Russia from paying?
No.988765
>>988728>Mayor of Melitopolwho's gonna tell him?
No.988830
>>988735escalate. accelerate. nukes soon, comrades.
also
>$70k per round in 2016 No.988895
>>988253And how do you think they have been training all those millions who couldn't eave the country?
No.988902
>>988830Their retarded reasoning is probably "cheaper than a tomahawk", because why the fuck does 22kg payload need a GPS guidance system?
No.988932
>>988902>In February 2012, a U.S. Marine Corps M777 howitzer in Helmand province, Afghanistan, fired a single Excalibur round that killed a group of insurgents at a Marine-record range of 36 kilometers (22 mi)it does seem to be very accurate
No.989215
Z gang, I thought Ukraine was winning.
Now NYT and Kissinger are saying that Ukraine must give Russia territory?
wtf!!!!!
No.989224
>>987314>The comments came amid growing signs that the Western coalition against Vladimir Putin is fraying badly as the food and energy crisis deepens, and that sanctions may have reached their limits.Huh, I thought Twitter victories, Internet trolling, and other short-term, one-move checks could defeat Putin at the chessboard.
Weird.
No.989228
>>989215hot take: USA pushed Ukraine into a suicidal war with Russia in order to
>A) waste russia's time and money>B) create a justification for Poland annexing ukraine as a protectoratewith B), poland will regain lost historical territory like Lviv, all the retarded nazoids will be cleansed by combat, and ukraine will effectively become a NATO country without a formal admissions process, because anything in Poland territory is in NATO territory
tl;dr putin got played. he now has to share 400km of border with ukraine as polish NATO protectorate
No.989230
>>988726All those polls are not real, it's just imaginary numbers.
No.989233
>>988728>no neonazi symbolsfake
No.989234
>>989228>putin got playedNot so fast!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-poland-sikorski-idUSKCN0I92A720141020<WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland’s parliamentary speaker, Radoslaw Sikorski, has been quoted as saying that Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to Poland’s then leader in 2008 that they divide Ukraine between themselves. No.989249
The Ukronazis are slowly starting to realize that Zelensky is using them as cannon fodder to get rid of them as a domestic opposition force.
No.989252
>>989234Why the fuck would Putin say any of those things?
No.989255
>>989252Dunno. Article is from 2014.
No.989257
>>989255What does it matter? Was there a point in time Poland wasn't booty blasted about Russia? Why the fuck would Russia give them anything?
No.989270
>>989249they should do something about him, like their heroes did in the past.
No.989277
>>989249Zelensky, the true anti-fascist of this war
No.989294
>>986696Good thing Russia is neither popular nor powerful
No.989296
>>989249this is so dumb it just might be true, what with this being the clown timeline
No.989342
>>989249Do you guys think that any point if Russia takes enough strategic objectives and kills enough of the hardcore ukrofash, Zelensky might actually sue for peace? I mean the fact that his gov is talking about entering Crimea and preparing a massive counterattack is straight up la la land.
No.989344
>>989249>The Ukronazis are slowly starting to realize that Zelensky is using them as cannon fodder to get rid of them as a domestic opposition forceI hope he is. These people must simply die. Many of the Galician nationalists are unfortunately proletarians, the middle class goes for the more liberal parties. But this flagrant struggle for ethnic supremacy, the right of those so pure as ethnic Ukrainians they can properly identify with Europe - and their right to tell mixed, 'artificial'', and 'imported' populations that they have no right to dispute how 1989 as a permanent revolution plays out to the nations self cannibalization - that has to purged. I hope the Russians smash their units and prosecute all of them
No.989378
dude theyll just be rearmed by the USA in less than 10 years, if anything this is getting rid of equipment that techincally was serviceable so that yank, british, french, and german war firms could make bank
No.989410
>>989249so hes basically doing what chiang kai shek did and send warlord armies as cannon fodder
No.989415
>>989402Im not sure how to say this, but the USA is home to the most advanced arms firms the world has ever seen, alongside its slew of satrap european r/d firms. If push comes to shove missile sweatshops will be created in no time
No.989418
>>989402america doesn't even use 2/3 of its land. believe it or not top brass in the USA are doing resource extraction around the world so that, when the rest of the world is out of resources, america still has its untapped reserves.
No.989424
>>989294They are inside of Russia, which is where this shit really matters. As far as Westerners are concerned the only thing that matters is opposing NATO. It's Russian communists who have to tread very carefully to avoid the trap of tailing their own reactionary government without inadvertently helping the West.
No.989430
>>989415>U-USA is totally just holding it's punches, guys! There's no supply chain issues whatsoever, they can pump out however many weapons they want!>>989418And you just ignore the fact that capitalism makes US industries unprofitable
No.989431
>>989430i'm the 2nd person you responded to
i wasn't really intending to contradict you so much as to point out they aren't running out of (natural) resources any time soon, even if their industries become unprofitable
No.989432
>>987783>Few legit black scholars or POC would tell Ukrainians to do that.Who's gonna tell him majority of Africa is on Russia's side? Many African-Americans were also enlightened to the racism that Ukrainians have been/are displaying, so he's talking out of his ass.
No.989435
>>987803this thread could be based and educational while still being anti-nazi but then some of you weirdos keep posting this rapey shit
No.989437
>>987804>>989432He glows. he's doing this for money
No.989438
>>989431So what? Capitalism will not allow USA to develop it's resources.
No.989523
>>987783>The Western experts are suggesting this reminds me that they are as colonial in their thinking as the Kremlin.Are retarded libshits are starting to realize the way reality/the world actually works? As a side note are ironically some of the most retarded people I've ever known.
No.989544
>>988591Remember when the radlibs were all about cryptofascism and had knowledge about how the alt-right dampen the shock of their beliefs under irony and memery? I bet the same ones would probably say that this "looks obviously fake"
No.989673
>>989621Well it's a Davos meeting ain't it. Hard to find a denser concentration of pieces of shit on the planet
No.989674
>>989257Didn't dugin write smth similar
No.989726
I still find it hilarious the Biden admin made intimidating Russia over Ukraine a priority in order to save liberalism, and it completely blew up in their face
We really thought payback since russiagate or something would be done through a proxy war and skipping negotiation for international pressure to return Crimea/Donbass
No.989737
>>989723>Can a Slav tell me if he talks to the dog or not and if so what does he say, I really need to know thisfirst he says: "oppa, a doggo" and then after finding the vibrators he says "I hope they at least didn't fuck you, my dear dogs?"
No.989741
>>989726>it completely blew up in their faceDid it? I think they were aware of what they were doing and where it would push Russia. This war will weaken Russia and be profitable for porkies in the US and NATO either way it goes. I don't find this very funny tbh.
No.989742
So tired of success, you retards wouldn't believe.
Still arguing whether Putin is the second coming of Hitler?
No.989746
Nah I guess the shills got their wages cut in half (to 0$)
No.989747
>>989746German mathematics
No.989750
>>989741I think Russia winning the economic side isn't what was planned tho.
Also complete factionalism of the media like in Iraq, which made the sense that that media is lying popular over a decade and will do so again.
It's all fine, I don't want to be in power I the US or EU rn.
No.989751
>>989747I was actually just pretending to be retarded tho. (That was the joke ok).
German humour, admittedly :/
No.989753
>>989751Kek I realized after I posted it that it could be a joke and immediately thought "German humour"
No.989754
>>989753And I am one of the funnier ones, you wouldn't believe :(
No.989755
>>989741It did. The war and the overexpansion it represents has revealed divisions in Europe and between it and the rest of the world. It signaled the end of globalization by revealing the tug of war between Russia and China on one side and the Atlantic on the other over how Europe and Eurasia have ties to each other. The need to monopolize development outside of the West revealed just how much we weren't a true friend of it.
Finally, it signaled that the era of unchallenged liberal interventionism is over. There is no more imperialist expansion, it will be fought bitterly and contained. The prospects for LatAm are looking up.
No.989757
https://cprf.ru/2022/05/in-ukraine-russia-is-fighting-neo-nazism/kprf answer to greek communists accusing them of imperialism support
great answer actually, i fucking wish my communist party was half as good
No.989776
>>987783Incredibly insane. Libs will eat each other alive at some point in the future.
In Germany, libs bend over backwards defending Israel and calling any criticism anti-semitism. Then they claim that "there are ways to criticize Israel and there are valid criticisms" but you'll sooner see pigs fly than them criticize Israel. At some point pro-palestine libs and pro-zionist libs will send the other to concentration camps.
No.989791
>>989419What the other anon is saying is that Zelensky is sending them to their deaths so that he can get rid of the nazis.
No.989794
>>989757I read it all, it's good.
No.989810
>>989805Dude.. is it jsut me, or is Putin kinda like hitler? Has anybody else had this epiphany?
No.989811
>>989805I wish liberals would have more diversity in their representations of pure evil. Why not Leopold II? I'm pretty sure he was just as bad as Hitler.
No.989813
>>989757They think "struggle between civilizations" replaced class struggle and pretend this is a national liberation war for Donbass kek. Can't get more revisionist than those dudes and almost ironic to see them accuse others of fascism. Their strategy should clearly be like every other serious communist org in this case, and that is revolutionary defeatism.
Also they're not responding only to the KKE but the 72 communist organizations who are behind it.
No.989818
>>987992I would laugh my ass off if some Javelins/NLAWs end up in Kurdish hands and get used against the upcoming Turkish invasion.
No.989821
>>989813Who are you quoting
No.989829
>>989805That looks like a bait.
No.989833
>>989811Liberals are actually as politically ignorant as /pol/tards so don't ask them such questions.
No.989842
>>989834wow, commies really do be tracking peoples food now, how barbaric 1984!
No.989844
>>989810Yes. Yesterday I woke up and realized that Putin is just like Hitler for some reason. Maybe it's some transcendental Absolute Truth God Himself gives to us.
No.989846
>>989834I would just tear the package apart and eat it raw, to own the capitalists
No.989848
>>989834damn is it even worth the cost of tracking? who gives a shit, it's probably gonna go bad anyway from not having been sold if it's too expensive, and if it's not why bother tracking?
No.989852
>>989842But it's UK and is needed to protect the capitalists' profits.
No.989856
>>989810>>989805Yes! putin is worse bad as Hitler!!
(but hitler wasnt that bad tho)
No.989858
>>989848I dunno, maybe they're buying some cheap Chinese trackers or something.
No.989864
>>989861> i am the 53%what does this mean
also, damn, that's some high-grade false consciousness
No.989867
>>989861He is a good guy. Too bad the capitalist pays for work and not for good behaviour, lol
No.989875
>>989861The average life of a class cuck.
No.989877
>>989805Stunning and brave.
No.989878
>>989876damn, did the 90s simply not happen in the minds of these people?
No.989884
>>988902>>988830>>988932Excalibur round are completely retarded. GMLRS rounds have 4x the range, 7 times the payload, and only cost 43k$.
Why? Because GPS guided artillery rounds is fundamentally a stupid idea. So stupid, that the government didn't ask for it. They asked for a range-extending round for 7000$ each, and when LM won the contract they made a GPS guided round for 70,000$ and lobbied to switch the contract to that.
It worked.
No.989889
>>989881<Capitalists want to invade North Korea to exploit it's workers and resources.Not surprising at all.
The bourgeoisie demands more land to exploit because the rate of profit is going down. They acknowledge that only war can accelerate economic growth. It's the capitalist mentality to think it's acceptable to invade countries purely for the economic exploitation. Such economic exploitation only benefits the ruling elite.
No.989891
>>989881>Business opportunitiesMeans colonisation
No.989895
‘They won’t accept us’: Roma refugees forced to camp at Prague train stationhttps://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/may/25/they-wont-accept-us-roma-refugees-forced-to-camp-at-prague-train-station<Humanitarian crisis grows as Ukrainian Roma families stuck at Czech train station say they are not treated like other refugees
>Prague’s central railway station seems a picture of normality amid warm spring sunshine and the return of legions of tourists, who had been largely absent at the height of Covid. On the platform one weekday morning, two German sightseers gaze curiously at the statue of Sir Nicholas Winton, the British stockbroker who helped 669 mostly Jewish children escape from Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia on the eve of the second world war.
>Yet just yards away, hundreds of Roma people are sheltering in the only place available to them since they joined the millions of Ukrainians fleeing the Russian invasion.
>Unlike other Ukrainians who have been offered refugee visas, these families have found they have nowhere to go and no one who wants them.hmm
>Out of sight of ordinary passengers in a sealed-off area of the ornate Habsburg-era station, Roma families – mostly women and children, some elderly and disabled – sit and lie around, surrounded by bags of belongings and protected by security guards, many of them also Roma.>Many are waiting for Czech authorities to decide on their status and whether they qualify for permanent accommodation; others are in an even bleaker situation.
>“We tried to register for refugee protection at the registration centre but they wouldn’t accept us and didn’t give us any document explaining why,” says Zanna, a teenage mother of three children from Kyiv, who says she had arrived in Prague with her family four days earlier.>“We came here looking for a place to stay but instead we are just lying on the floor like dogs. We are exhausted and have no energy any more. I’m just feeling really hopeless.”
>It is a tale typical of many Roma arrivals, aid workers say.HMM
>Many Roma have faced a different fate, driven – according to Mubeenová – by an anti-Roma prejudice that is widespread in the Czech Republic and neighbouring countries. Many Roma who left Prague for Germany later returned, she says, including some who reported that police in Dresden refused to allow them to disembark from their train.
>Czech officials say many Roma arrivals do not qualify for refugee status because they are EU citizens holding dual Ukrainian-Hungarian nationality – thanks to a policy enacted by Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán, in 2011, of offering citizenship to ethnic Hungarians in Ukraine’s Transcarpathia region.
>Some of the Hungarian passport holders claim they were bribed into applying for the documents, not understanding the consequences of dual citizenship. Several told the Guardian they left the Czech Republic for Budapest only to return to Prague after authorities in Hungary rejected their passports as forgeries.HMM
>However, Mubeenová says only a fifth of the current station inhabitants hold Hungarian citizenship. The fate of others, who often face obstacles to submitting applications or even entering registration centres, reflects hardening official attitudes that dismiss Roma arrivals as bona fide refugees.
>Vít Rakušan, the Czech interior minister, has claimed that the Roma influx is tied to organised crime and spoken of the need to combat “social tourism”.>Mubeenová says: “I have sat in meetings with representatives of Prague city hall, the police etc, and noticed the narrative changing – people stopped talking about refugees and started referring to ‘economic migrants’ and ‘welfare tourists’.>“Representatives have told me that they don’t have the necessary documents to apply for protection, but they are often not even allowed to submit applications and that’s not legal.”
>The increasingly dire situation at the station has led to instances of chickenpox, measles, hepatitis A, lice, scabies and tuberculosis being reported by medical students working as volunteers. Firefighters disinfect the premises three times a day.
>Hygiene restrictions prevent aid agencies distributing hot, cooked food. In the absence of regular meals, many refugees leave during daytime and go into Prague city centre, where some resort to begging.
>Jan Vágner, the station’s building manager, describes the current situation as “more challenging” than early in the refugee crisis, when more than 5,000 people poured off trains arriving from Ukraine.
>“Even though the numbers are far fewer now, we need to talk to them all individually and work closely with them, but we don’t have the right kind of help,” he says.
>Amid the chaos, however, one man has a relatively happy story. Stick thin and wearing a white cap, Heorhii Stan, 37, originally from Odesa, was preparing to travel to Vienna with his four children to collect his wife after successfully applying for protected status in the Czech Republic.
>His relief was sharpened by having spent four nights at the railway station, an experience he described as “tough and hopeless” before being moved to an isolated refugee camp generally reserved for Roma in the Bohemian forest. “I really want to integrate here and ensure my kids go to school,” he says. “And I want to work.”H͎̓̀MMMMBonus:
https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/uxbkga/they_wont_accept_us_roma_refugees_forced_to_camp/ No.989900
The combined House/Senate vote total on Biden's $40 billion war package to Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and CIA "for Ukraine":
DEMS: 266-0
GOP: 198-68
INDEPENDENTS: 2-0
All dissent is from the GOP. Every last Dem (plus Sanders) voted YES. Not even one token NO vote for the left.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1529180698409680901?s=20&t=WXp1xMksyBagv3JiqrJjrQ No.989901
>>989820Censoring people's names, who posted shitty takes, on the internet should be a crime. It's like helping criminals evade procecution.
>UkronaziEvery time…
No.989913
>>989904I'm diamonds at work now, thanks.
No.989915
>>989852t. doesn't understand sarcasm
No.989940
>>989938He seriously has hitler posters behind him on videos? Youtube doesn't allow this stuff, don't they?
No.989942
>>989940at one point they used to demonetize pophis youtube channels for using political words like "Hitler" and "Afghanistan".
No.989950
>>989938I want to fuck him into historical materialism.
No.989954
>>989820Yeah to this day the bizarre epidemic of millions of people mysteriously loosing their hands when Congo belonged to Leopold is still unexplained.
No.989956
>>989954Unfortunate industrial accident, ripped off by the big Congo rubber machine
No.989960
>>989820I hope that guy get's paralyzed from the neck down.
No.989972
>>989954Purely economic factors
No.990012
>>990010
me on the left
No.990015
>>989996>two mass shootings and an assassination attempt in less than three weeksAnon, America has broken past the mark of a shooting a day back in 2020 at the latest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022 No.990018
>>990010
Don't you have another Shart-Mart to kill white people in?
No.990048
>>989813fuck off retard
>"struggle between civilizations" replaced class strugglewtf is this strawman, how the fuck is that what you got from the article
>this is a national liberation war for Donbass they make pretty good points in defense of this view. Ukrainian state started building itself explicitly against russian identities/ethnicities while doing mega neolib pillage. Its only natural ethnic russian give up on ukrainian identity and struggle for political independence from it.
The real moronic take is equating donbass war with ww1. Was ww1 already a regional conflict provoked by the hegemonic imperialist power for 8 years when it all kicked off ?
>Also they're not responding only to the KKE but the 72 communist organizations who are behind it.they're explicitely responding to the kke in the text
No.990055
>>990048>wtf is this strawman, how the fuck is that what you got from the article Zyuganov has expressed all kinds of reactionary and revisionist ideas.
<The ideological cement of the movement is Great Russian nationalism. Take the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF), for example, an organisation that numbers over half a million members. Gennady Zyuganov’s latest book, Great Power (1994), claims to set out the central planks of the CPRF’s politics. Zyuganov makes no attempt to distinguish nation from class, and offers but one small apology to Marx, who apparently considered his theories to be applicable only to Western Europe, and to Lenin, who apparently argued to unite all classes so as to stand at the head of the nation. [84]<For Zyuganov, Moscow is to become the ‘Third Rome’, ‘Holy Rus’, destined to fulfill the tsarist trinity of ‘autocracy, Orthodoxy and nation’. Russia must fight a ‘national liberation struggle’ against ‘transnational, cosmopolitan forces’ of the ‘world oligarchy’, against ‘naked russophobia’ and ‘crazed persecution of Russian writers’, to resurrect the USSR, ‘the historical and geopolitical inheritor of the Russian empire’. He talks of returning Russia’s ‘natural geopolitical borders’ to include the ‘little Russians’ (i.e. the Ukrainians) and Byelorus. He considers the CPRF to be a party of derzhavniki (great power supporters), of ‘patriots’ who have ‘rejected the extremist theses of class struggle’ to unite the workers with ‘nationally oriented entrepreneurs’.https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/isj2/1995/isj2-066/crouch.htm No.990067
>>990055> the Soviet Union’s bloody history of imperial aggressionhmm I wonder who wrote this..
>Encyclopedia of Trotskyism just stop.
No.990071
>>990067Zyuganov's own words from his own book are cited in that passage. The man is clearly a revisionist.
No.990072
>>990048NTA but while I get the national liberation and the nazification stuff makes for good reasons to support the resolution of that conflict… Well that's a bit naive isn't it? The war is a geopolitical consequence of the US struggling to maintain it's power over Europe and suppress Russia but mostly China as
capitalist competitors in the world.
The situation in the Donbas or the Nazis in Ukraine are the incidental vectors by which the conflict is being conducted. IMO the main argument for supporting the war is simple as "Russia is acting in self defense":
>Do you have a socialist movement that can take power right now and fight against NATO? Because otherwise the US will happily impose another round of shock therapy to the great detriment of the workers. So it's fight, or back to the 90s. The choice should be obvious if the interests of working people are considered at all.But that argument is
awkward to make as the main totally-not-controlled opposition party in the RF that seems to be kept around mostly so that USSR nostalgia can be channeled to Putin's nationalism. Because they would be
that socialist movement which has no chance of actually opposing United Russia, and the mere insinuation that they'd try to take power outside the electoral system may get them in big trouble.
And that's probably why they are taking the angle they are taking, exacerbating the importance of the Nazis in the conflict and drawing parallels with WW2. Which happens to align with the nationalist propaganda, Would you look at that? What a coincidence.
No.990085
>>989545Reaching new heights everyday! lmao
No.990088
Putin asserts dominance over USA by asking the government to increase wages, social welfare, bonuses, etc by 10%. I mean, obviously it's a very cheap move to talk about that, but come on, he just dubs on USA like this
No.990089
>>990088"We must pursue such a policy that sees earnings growth outpace inflation"
No.990092
>>990072>The situation in the Donbas or the Nazis in Ukraine are the incidental vectors by which the conflict is being conducted. This. The CPRF's article spends a lot of time laying out the fascistic nature of the Ukrainian regime. The issue isn't so much that they are wrong, but that this is presented itself as justification for the Russian intervention. Obviously this is not sufficient, and such tactics are also used by the pro-imperialist left to justify Western interventions. Like take Saddam Hussein, the guy was a murderous anti-communist who came to power from a CIA coup. However obviously none of that justified the US invasion. This isn't to draw an equivalency between Russian and US interventions, but the point is that a government being reactionary doesn't on its own justify invading a country, especially when the invader is itself a reactionary state. This I think is where the CPRF's analysis breaks down, they completely disregard the class nature of the Russian state, and thus the class nature of the war. They correctly point out the despicable fascist character of the Ukrainian regime, they correctly point out the abuse and terrorism perpetrated against Russian-speaking Ukrainians, they correctly point out that this conflict was by and large instigated by Western aggression against Russia. Based on all of this, I could be convinced that a just and progressive war could be waged by Russia against Ukraine, IF Russia was a proletarian state, but it is not. It is a bourgeois state, and thus it's actions must inevitably serve primarily bourgeois interests. This will not be a war to liberate the people of Donbass or Ukraine, because liberation and bourgeois interests are mutually exclusive. It must instead inevitably lead to their abuse and exploitation at the hands of Russia's own ruling class. Granted, this would likely be less severe and miserable than what they suffer at the hands of Ukrainian Banderites, but it would not constitute actual liberation, and I seriously question whether what is gained will be worth the suffering imposed by the war itself. Even if the war in Ukraine is not an imperialist war, it is still nevertheless a bourgeois war, ie a war waged on behalf of the Russian bourgeoisie which serves these interests first and foremost. Thus it will sacrifice the interests of the workers the moment they come into conflict with those of the bourgeoisie. The CPRF tries to claim that somehow this war was against the interests of the Russian bourgeois oligarchy, but this case can only be argued if they assert that the Russian state is dominated by class interests other than bourgeois ones.
>Because they would be that socialist movement which has no chance of actually opposing United RussiaThis. The irony is that Russia is one of the few countries that actually does have a self-described communist movement that's strong enough to potentially have a shot at taking power. If there is any anti-Western capitalist country where a third option (ie independent communist action) is possible, it is Russia.
No.990100
>>990079He wrote lots of books, the one cited is "Derzhava" and was published in 1994.
No.990103
>>990055Damn, didn't know Zyuyghanov was so idpozzed. What a shame
No.990107
>>990100Can we hear it from Zyuganov's mouth rather than some Trotskyites? Couldn't think of a less reliable narrator narrator if I tried.
No.990109
>>990107It cites the exact page, feel free to look yourself. The Cyrillic title is держава. I'm not sure why you find this so hard to believe, given that Zyuganov oversaw a literal Red-Brown alliance in the 90s.
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>>990103>Damn, didn't know Zyuyghanov was so idpozzed. What a shameWhen he founded that party, it was pretty much to oppose the liberalism of the comprador bourgeoisie. There was no real opposition then, so both CPRF and CPU filled the void by taking advantage of where liberalization were abject failures. It was an incoherent issue to polarize society around, but then again society was doing that on its own just fine. Putin and his synthesis of the 1990s divisions pretty much stunted the party and kept it at bay. Today, Western leftists zero in on the opposition to liberalism because they're busy protecting it after the populist backlash to bourgeois democracy and its neoliberal overexpansion, which is again yet another incoherent issue to realign society around (notice a pattern? society destroying itself rather than creating the revolutionary class and exposing the reactionary ruling class isn't something you root a mass-based position in). That's why 'red brownism' is a meme, since in reality the problem in western Europe is 'pink-yellow' alliances and in the east its 'yellow-brown'.
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>>990114Id add that today, though, there is hope. The periphery is able to achieve national development through alternative means, which don't entail selling out to the imperialists and their neoliberalism. Parties like the CPRF, thanks to its unique position as the sole real opposition party and the rise of young Russians who want change but dont believe the west offers it, can get out of the place Putin outmaneuvered the CPRF into and make him the one holding Russia back from developing. Putins claim was reconciling globalization with Russian national sovereignty. That formula rapidly became out of date after the 2010s crisis of globalization, and now the party has a chance at monopolizing an alterglobalization position. They can make Russian development better feed into that of other anti imperialist countries and vice versa, instead of the current opportunist relationship they have now. The ties this would achieve with China would be world changing. They could seriously offer alternatives to this dichotomy of liberal-imperialism and nationalist realpolitik that developed. That's something we in the imperial core could actually link up with, polarizing society around that issue on the basis that our globalization has a common destiny with that of the periphery. That's something the liberals and their leftist allies cannot do, they've retreated into first campism as the only way to globalize
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>>990124This is your unpleasant reminder that KPRF have declined consistently every election since 1996
No.990133
>>990126>This is your unpleasant reminder that KPRF have declined consistently every election since 1996They just did well in a rigged election
https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/10/30/russias-once-tame-communist-party-is-becoming-an-opposition-force No.990140
>>989881I bet he's a crytofag.
No.990151
>>990146inspirational :')
No.990172
>>990152How do you know it's being sent to Ukraine for combat?
No.990176
>>990172pic was allegedly taken in melitopol
No.990180
>>990176That doesn't mean it's being used for combat, old tanks are often used for training purposes. If it is being deployed then it's almost certainly being given to D/LPR forces.
No.990183
>>990172>>990176They're for LDNR.
No.990185
>>990181When are vapers and fortnite folx gonna be included in pride?
No.990186
>>990181this will continue until the rainbow is wiped off the flag
No.990189
>>990186it's gonna become an color palette flag.
No.990191
>>990140Somewhat related:
>>988107 No.990192
>>990186Cis gay people barely even register for the liberal oppression olympics anymore.
No.990208
>>99019910/10.
very LGBTQIAWERYUOPSDFHJK
ZXCVNM+
No.990298
>>990208Z Gang is truly the most oppressed gender
No.990301
>>990294>you're supposed to treat NATO countries with kid gloves! I'm sure the CIA is quaking in their boots at the prospect of some online nobodies "taking off the kid gloves."
No.990302
>>990298the
Zigger of the world
No.990304
>>990126That's hardly a surprise. The entire point of bouegie democracy is to subvert popular will. In this case, how polls consistently show people thought things were better under communism.
No.990307
>>990301If they didn't, they wouldn't be posting here.
Reminder
https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/fbi-8chan/>The unsealing of an application for a search warrant by the federal government on 8chan’s servers has unintentionally revealed that a federal agent has been trolling the site and attempting to redirect the users’ conspiracy theories against the Russian government instead of the CIA or Mossad.
<- AndWe were the most hated board on a website with documented evidence of alphabet soup of pushing anti-Russia shit. There is a non-zero chance they tried taking out board down, and they
definitely followed us here.
No.990317
>>990307Lol, take your meds.
No.990361
>>990307>There is a non-zero chance they tried taking out board down, and they definitely followed us here.Meds
No.990366
>>990357I WANT EVERYTHING ABOUT MY COUP OFF THE INTERNET! I'LL SEND IN AZOV I'LL SEND IN SBU I'LL SEND IN EVERYTHING IN MY POWER!
No.990367
>>990366But the there are still news reports about it.
No.990383
Goofy retards ITT supporting AZOV :^)
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