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 No.89827[Last 50 Posts]

Rap is one of my favorite genres, the one I've most been involved with and grew up surrounded by. And I love bringing it up to discussion around so-called lefties because of how effective it is in making petty bourgeoisie, or "the middle class", oust themselves. They're the ones that have been handed relative economic comfort and have been taught to dislike anything that involves poors, especially that of color origin, so the common saying when talking about music preferences is "everything except for country and rap". God damn do I love hearing that.

The mainstream chart topping of both country and rap is of course mostly garbage but that's the working of consumer capitalism. But even lefties who explicitly recognize the workings of our economic and cultural system still fail to ever recognize this bias for what it is: top-down classism. Talk about rap and the lefties nose immediately goes up as to escape the air that just dared to mention such inferior culture.

Why is classism ignored and placidly accepted? Even among lefty circles classism is strong. It's obviously moreso among libs, conservatives and all the right-wing shit, but you'd think it would be more explicitly acknowledged in places like this. I'm calling out most of the board really, so many you obviously of "middle class" background. When people speak of the working class, what it most often really means is the perceived "middle class" who are more affluent. The actual poors among the working class are but secondary afterthought. The idea of a vanguard consisting of this massive difference, even if only perception ultimately, is laughable with what it represents. Are you really for the masses? Or yourself?
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 No.89843

>If you don’t like a music genre you’re bourgeoisie
<Unironically arguing rap isn’t entirely recuperated
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 No.89852

>>89843
>If you don’t like a music genre you’re bourgeoisie
The specific exclusion of rap and country music is my example of classism here. It's not any particular genre, but where "everything except for country and rap" comes from, which I described.
>Unironically arguing rap isn’t entirely recuperated
Cue the showing of bias. Refer to second paragraph of OP.
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 No.89853

Wait who doesn't like rap? I used to not like rap but I was a kid, when you grow up petit bougie like I did it takes time to learn what the good rap is, I had no friends into rap so I had to just experiment with what seemed good.
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 No.89856

>>89852
The only rap I remotely enjoy is some communist rap, I also don’t like classical music, church music, christian rock, or ancient greek hymns
Sorry bucko
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 No.89873

>>89852
>The specific exclusion of rap and country music is my example of classism here
because country singers and rappers are poor, it makes sense.
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 No.89874

I am mostly just bored of rap, I don't hate it.
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 No.89875

i used to be a dense alt-rock retard who hated rap and country til gta san andreas forced me to listen to em like 10 years ago lmao
i then realized that i hated those genres bc it made me feel special for liking another thing i think,so in my opinion it isn't necessarily classist to hate rap or country,it can be because you identify with other genres/it gives you a feeling of eliteness(?) when you dislike stuff most people like
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 No.89877

I don’t like rap because I like singing rather than rhyming and if I’m supposed to be listening to the instrumental of something rather than the vocals I prefer cinematic soundtracks
I don’t like country because it’s just not a thing in Northeast cities
I don’t have particular enmity for either genre but don’t listen to them either
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 No.89887

>>89827
i don't really care for rap, too many words
i like country rock like johnny cash and woody guthrie tho

but i think deciding whether lefties are classists based on genres is ill advised.

culture choices may indicate class views but actions are always clearer
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 No.89889

What if I'm fucking tired of this obsession with pop culture, language, tropes etc.
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 No.89890

There is no such thing as 'classism'. Only those who share your class interests and those who dont. You can never persuade or berate the booj into caring about your interests like the gays or blacks can.
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 No.89897

>>89827
>"everything except for country and rap"

Who the fuck says this? Hip hop is literally the most popular genre right now. Maybe like 15 years ago this would have been passable but literally no one under 35 dislikes hip hop in current year, except maybe some /pol/fags because its "nigger music"
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 No.89900

>>89897
>Who the fuck says this?
15 year olds whose favourite band is Led Zeppelin, OP's peers.
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 No.89901

>>89900
so just teenagers trying to hate something popular because its popular and they're finding their identity and trying not to be a conformist?

got it.

For the record im not even a hip hop fan, i just don't mind it. More into electronic music myself. I guess hiphop is technically electronic music but you know what i mean.
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 No.89902

<Rap is one of my favorite genres
Mine too. The best stuff you can write down and it works on the page as poetry.
You can't say that about a lot of other popular music genres.

<Your daughter was a nice girl, now she is a slut

<A queen treatin' niggas just like King Tut
<Gobblin up nuts, sorta like a hummingbird
<Suckin up the Lench Mob crew, and I'm comin' third
-Ice Cube, Givin' Up the Nappy Dug Out

<Mark but this flea, and mark in this,

<How little that which thou deniest me is;
<It sucked me first, and now sucks thee,
<And in this flea our two bloods mingled be;
-John Donne, The Flea
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 No.89903

>>89852
>rap has been completely absorbed by bourgeois culture and
>>89827
>The mainstream chart topping of both country and rap is of course mostly garbage
>but if you dislike it you're showing bourgeois classist bias
epic

>>89873
so are most musicians of every genre

this entire thread is literally nothing but "only urban blacks and rural whites are working class and you have to suck off my preconceieved notions of what they are and like"
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 No.89906

>>89903
You're missing my point. I haven't said that the working class is exclusive to urban blacks and rural whites, you can calm down about your position among the working class urban white man. My point has been the classism from "middle class" towards actual poors, while still maintaining that both are among the "working class". Do you feel relieved I haven't removed you from the group now?

You're also not reading what I'm saying about rap and mainstream music, maybe try again.
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 No.89907

>>89903
>so are most musicians of every genre
not folk punk, that's proletarian as fuck and always will be, because bougie fucks can't stand it.
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 No.89909

>>89906
>>89903
Real socialism will have high art only, every child will grow up listening to opera and european classical music.

slumming it is a form of privilege
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 No.89910

>>89909
>slumming it is a form of privilege
fucking privileged homeless people
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 No.89911

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>>89907
Folk Punk will be comodified eventually soon anon. You must only look at the community now compared to ten years ago, the relationship the 'fans' have with the art is far more a relationship of consumer/comditity than it ever was.
It is the way of all things under capitalism.

>>89909
Please be a shitpost. I cannot even tell anymore.
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 No.89912

or maybe you're just a burger that feels the need to like something from every culture to avoid being "canceled", and as a burger, are less revolutionary
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 No.89915

>>89827
>And I love bringing it up to discussion around so-called lefties because of how effective it is in making petty bourgeoisie, or "the middle class", oust themselves

Can you give some explicit examples of these Rappers? Because like you said, the mainstream rappers are fucking trash and shitting on them should be encouraged imo
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 No.89918

Bomba is one of my favorite genres, the one I've most been involved with and grew up surrounded by. And I love bringing it up to discussion around so-called lefties because of how effective it is in making petty bourgeoisie, or "the middle class", oust themselves. They're the ones that have been handed relative economic comfort and have been taught to dislike anything that involves poors, especially that of color origin, so the common saying when talking about music preferences is "everything except for bomba and plena". God damn do I love hearing that.

The mainstream chart topping of both plena and bomba is of course mostly garbage but that's the working of consumer capitalism. But even lefties who explicitly recognize the workings of our economic and cultural system still fail to ever recognize this bias for what it is: top-down classism. Talk about bomba and the lefties nose immediately goes up as to escape the air that just dared to mention such inferior culture.

Why is classism ignored and placidly accepted? Even among lefty circles classism is strong. It's obviously moreso among libs, conservatives and all the right-wing shit, but you'd think it would be more explicitly acknowledged in places like this. I'm calling out most of the board really, so many you obviously of "middle class" background. When people speak of the working class, what it most often really means is the perceived "middle class" who are more affluent. The actual poors among the working class are but secondary afterthought. The idea of a vanguard consisting of this massive difference, even if only perception ultimately, is laughable with what it represents. Are you really for the masses? Or yourself?
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 No.89919

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 No.89920

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My main problem with Hip Hop isn't that it doesn't sound good (it does, despite a bit of a dark age in the 2000s with crap like soulja boy, etc. - complain about mumble rappers all you want, I'd take lil [insert] over that crap any day).

My main problem is that its cringe for people to try and be inauthentic to what they are. I mean white hip hop fans are cringe, esp. when they try to rap/sing along with the lyrics and get in trouble for dropping the N word because it was in a song. I also cringe at the asian-american guys who try to adopt a hip hop persona and act macho and even adopt a very fake ebonics "blackcent".

IMO people should just stay in their culture lane. Other than generic white-american culture because thats just a product of capitalism and not specific to any place. I mean you could argue its anglo-protestant settler culture but at this point that culture has been so absorbed by capitalism and universalized to talk about it being specifically American is pointless. They wear suits in Japan, we don't wear Kimonos here. There are McDonalds in Saudi Arabia., but you don't see non-muslim Americans adopting the Hijab/Niqab.

I cringe at people trying to LARP an inauthentic identity because they're uncomfortable with the one they have, they need to just own it. And if you're a mutt like me you don't even have that option because you literally don't have a tribe, so you have no choice but to assimilate to generic americanism, which is fine. Better that than cringe-worthily trying to pick something you like from another culture and try to make that into your identity. Thats just pathetic
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 No.89921

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>>89919
What is that logo on the banner? I like it, it's neat. Got infos?
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 No.89930

>>89920
IMO people should just stay in their culture lane.
If you want to be a true artist, whatever genre
you're working in, you don't do this.
Most genres are mixes of other genres anyway. Blues was a fusion of a black spiritual tradition with the Scots ballad (via Appalachian "settlers") by black people.

Pic rel is Ledbelly playing a piece he's (or was) most famous for, but orig. it was from a middle class/bourgeois genre, Boston parlor music.
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 No.90007

>>89827
>They're the ones that have been handed relative economic comfort and have been taught to dislike anything that involves poors, especially that of color origin, so the common saying when talking about music preferences is "everything except for country and rap".
I agree with what you're saying, but maybe I'm getting old because "I won't listen to country or rap" sounds like something I remember other white kids from a middle-class background saying when I was a teenager, because people are more insecure when they're younger and they tend to take music subcultures much more seriously as like an "identity thing" and being part of some music thing means you're "part of a thing" and something "is about to happen." Or hipster, indie rock stuff. But once you're past a certain age, you're not going to be cool, so who cares? It's like, whatever, dad.

Do you know what I mean? It's kinda silly if you take it too seriously.

>>89920
>IMO people should just stay in their culture lane. Other than generic white-american culture because thats just a product of capitalism and not specific to any place.
If you force me to think about it, the most "authentic" music from my background would probably be Metallica or Ozzy Osbourne or something because his music reminds me of my mom, because she likes him, and is from a working-class background in Texas and was listening to this heavy metal stuff when hanging out in a garage with my redneck relatives in the 70s.

I tend to like music from all over, as long as it's entertaining to me. You probably don't know any of these entertainers either, their job is to entertain people and that's probably the most you can ask of them. It's not a big deal, y'know?

I haven't had any problems crossing the color line with people in terms of music, because black Americans are embedded in the same culture, and it's a global culture now if anything. I was hanging out before the pandemic with some socialists at some event, and several were black and talking about music and some celebrities, and I didn't really know who they were talking about, so I was just quiet, and then one guy asked me what music I liked, and I said Nine Inch Nails. And the guy was like "lol… cool… I like them." Like, he listened to that stuff too. And then I told him about going to see them in concert and how hilarious it was, and how it was a lot of fun. I'd sing along to all the cheesy lyrics and did a Trent Reznor impression, and he thought that was funny.

He also had some job… I forget what… some service industry job that took him to concerts, and he had to work at a Nickleback concert, which was just a bizarre, surreal experience to him because he had never been in a crowd with that many white people before, and then the singer was crooning in front of a giant screen with video of motorcycles revving their engines and stuff like that. And I'm like "lol yeah that's pretty much like my family." He was a cool dude. I just try to find ways to relate to people about the comical, crazy world we live in.
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 No.90020

>>89930
>Ledbelly playing a piece he's (or was) most famous for
>Isn't Gallows pole.
I think you're mistaken, anon.
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 No.90027

The Cold Vein is a masterpiece, prove me wrong.
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 No.90028

>>89827
>liking singular genres of music
>building your entire identity from you taste
Peak Amerilard. I just listen to anything that sounds good.
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 No.90051

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>>89827
>caring so much about people disliking lumpen music
this is the kind of workerist idpol which corrodes any real left movement into brainless performative succdemism
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 No.90053

>>90051
the average worker likely listens to hip hop
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 No.90059

>>90053
yeah, and we really shouldn't care about what they listen to, much less criticize people for disliking "le ebig music of the worker".

Its the most shallow and unnecessary shit imaginable. This is champagne socialist performatism.
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 No.90061

>>90059
the internet makes anything into a moral issue and we are literally in a chan with mostly teens what did you expect
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 No.90066

>Rap is one of my favorite genres, the one I've most been involved with and grew up surrounded by.

Basing your identity of your consumption habits is cringe. Also every kind of rap I've come across is some shitty Lumpen wannabe gangsta shit or completely appropriated pop garbage à la Kanye (which now is reactionary Christian pop garbage).
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 No.90070

>>90066
I like pop music.
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 No.90071

>>90020
>I think you're mistaken, anon
bloody hell, I think you're right! 1.6M views vs. 1/4M the most any vid of Goodnight Irene has on YouTube
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 No.90079

>>89827
this post is so cringe, literally what leftists on this earth actually give a shit about what music you listen to? have you been hanging out in maoist cults or something?? most rap music is misogynistic as fuck, Noname is literally the only good rapper, kill yourself OP
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 No.90080

>>90079
first time on the chans, huh?
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 No.90084

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Anybody that doesn't like atonality is an anti-semite.
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 No.90086

>>90084
Poltards still havent get over the but pain this chad shared through his work
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 No.90089

>>90080
did i make you mad maoist, neck yourself faggot
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 No.90091

>>90080
the radfem is correct for the first time since og leftypol
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 No.90094

>>90089
not even a maoist (don't like them, in fact), just saying there's no point in getting so worked up over something that could be bait. I mean, OP is calling country proletarian, when it's definitely petit-bourgeois in character. American folk (woodie guthrie, phil ochs, and so on) music is the proletarian one. Country musicians sing about bourgeois love and owning things. Just like rappers actually. I agree with you, post is dumb, but OP might not be sincere, or might not be a leftist.
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 No.90100

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>>90084
>tfw comments of so many schoenberg youtube video are full of polyp s e e t h e
glorious
>>90094
>OP is calling country proletarian, when it's definitely petit-bourgeois in character
oh is that why they play it in walmart then? this is the dumbest discussion i've ever been roped into, what a fucking autistic control freak you have to be to label an entire genre of music petit-bourgeois
>American folk (woodie guthrie, phil ochs, and so on) music is the proletarian one
oh so a genre of music that literally nobody listens to anymore is the one tru proleteriat genre? lmao
>Country musicians sing about bourgeois love and owning things. Just like rappers actually
'bourgeois' love? lol what are you even… you know there are country and rap songs that aren't about owning things right?
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 No.90103

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damn peggy, didnt know you posted on /leftypol/
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 No.90105

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for me it's the lower middle class: sufficiently well off to not be eligible for means tested assistance but not middle class enough to afford much more than maintaining the status quo or to be able to play the social status games of those who have had a genuinely middle class upbringing.
when you're really lucky this filters into an inability to relate to others - who've either lived lives untouched by true need, or been hit by much more difficult circumstances - combined with a perpetual sense of failure because there are plenty of hard-working people far poorer than you getting ahead, and plenty of lazy people far wealthier than you getting ahead, while you slowly drift backwards. here in the middle you lie and worse off than your parents you shall die.

(personally i would dispute that most of this category are actually "middle class", but they typically regard themselves as "lower middle class")
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 No.90110

>>89852
>The specific exclusion of rap and country music is my example of classism here
You know metal has working class roots, right? Toni Iommi lost his finger from working in a factory.
I'd imagine plenty of other genres have working class roots too
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 No.90121

>>89843
>entirely
disagree
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 No.90122

>>90103
Peggy is unbelievably based, one of my favorite musicians of the past ~5 or so years
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 No.90138

>>90079
If you’re really a girl with a vag then be my gf
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 No.90143

>>90138
she would never be a gf with a toxic scrote
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 No.90147

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>>90143
Damn son
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 No.90156

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Sorry OP, I just can't stand the sound of the human voice in most of my music. It's bad enough listening to some faggot wail over an actually musically inclined instrument, but rap is the worst of all because they don't even make any attempt to sound melodic, it's just people speaking like they would in a conversation but faster. Plus the genre as a whole is narcissistic in the extreme. I love good breakbeats but people should shut the fuck up and play their instruments.
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 No.90181

>>90156
nothing wrong with spoken word, looks like you need some growing up to do.
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 No.90184

>>89827
>music tastes are political now
I hate nu-leftypol and its lifestylism.
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 No.90185

>>90156
>they don't even make any attempt to sound melodic, it's just people speaking like they would in a conversation but faster
not even a big fan of rap but this is just incorrect
they speak rhythmically. you might want to say it's more like poetry than song, but very few people have the gift of speaking in that kind of way in conversation.
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 No.90189

>>90100
>one tru proleteriat genre
Never said that.
>you know there are country and rap songs that aren't about owning things right?
Yes, but those are types of songs "nobody listens to", therefore irrelevant to the discussion, according to a standard set by you.
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 No.90190

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>>90184
>um actually there's nothing political about why rich people have different cultural tastes to poor people, they just have different taste because taste is random lol, there's no political explanation for why they come up with innovations like "a new way of watching a fox be torn limb from limb from a horseback vantage point" while poorer people come up with innovations like "music that doesn't strictly require an expensive instrument"
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 No.90193

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>>90190
>The fact the bourgeoisie likes to wear blue instead of red one day is very important
How fucking vapid
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 No.90196

>>90190
>dialectics is a 1 on 1 mirroring and there is no conflicts
leftypolacks are the most illiterate tryhards of all that calls itself leftist
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 No.90197

>>90193
pop quiz: why is purple associated with royalty?

>>90196
project harder
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 No.90198

>>90196
also: *are :^)
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 No.90199

>>90190
>U need like prole things hate porky things soshulsm is a LIFESTYLE not a beleef :D :D :D
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 No.90200

This thread is really fucking retarded. Modern rap and country pop are both fun to listen to.
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 No.90203

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>>90197
Fuck, guess every time I wear purple now I'm the king.
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 No.90205

>>90199
of all the morons replying to me you are again the worst.
cease.

>>90203
less evasiveness, more explaining why purple is associated with royalty.
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 No.90207

>>90197
Because it came from a dye from a marine snail in the Mediterranean that was overexploited to scarcity.
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 No.90208

>>90205
I'm not being evasive, I'm telling you it doesn't matter unless you can make it applicable to today.
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 No.90212

>>90207
good

>>90208
those more capable of thought than yourself will see the relevance of the example to today. it illustrates a point about prices, not about purpleness.
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 No.90214

>>90184
imagine thinking your culture is reducible to personal choice as some kind of liberal idealistic voluntary cartesian cogito. you think I actually had a choice growing up whether I could listen to the music I listen to? it’s not a manner of personal voluntary choices that you can consent to in a vacuum or sit on the fence. those kinds of choices don’t exist in material reality.
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 No.90219


>>90212
>it illustrates a point about prices, not about purpleness.
prices of what, nigga?
you realize people can pirate music now, right?
If the roman emperor wears the color purple, but I still like the color purple divorced from the fact he wears it, why the hell does this make me guilty by association?
I swear socdems are the most vapid cunts imaginable.
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 No.90222

>>90214

>you think I actually had a choice growing up whether I could listen to the music I listen to?

Where did I say any of this?
Why are you imagining arguments to have someone that doesn't exist?
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 No.90224

>>90219
>why the hell does this make me guilty by association?
it doesn't, you have imagined this because you have a persecution complex.
don't worry, you're still guilty of being braindead.
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 No.90226

>>90224

Then why did you even have this thread to implicate people of being classist for not liking certain music?
What is even the point of having this thread?
Did you forget you were only shitposting?
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 No.90228

>>90226
I'm not the OP, something only the blind have an excuse for not noticing.
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 No.90229

>>90138
SOMEBODY
CALL THE
HORNY
PO*ICE

>>90143
the fuck is a toxic scrote
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 No.90232

>>90228
Oh, great.
you just like wasting time then because you don't actually have a point to make.
Got it.
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 No.90233

Interesting take OP, but have you stopped beating your wife yet?
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 No.90234

>>90214
okay boomer
do you care about more about material condition or muh culture?
boo fucking hoo you didn't hear the latest corporate produced trash pop songs

was it not worse to have shit healthcare, trouble playing bills and your parents being wageslaves?
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 No.90236

>>90234
why do you care about his opinions more than you do about the plight of the chagos islanders? isn't that a bigger issue?
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 No.90239

>>89921
It´s the Young Lords banner. It was an organization similar to the Black Panther Party, but made up of the poor, Puerto Rican economic exiles that were forced out their homes due to joblessness and or political persecution. Based in New York during the 60s and 70s they fought for the freedom of Puerto Rico, Black gringo liberation in the USA, and worker liberation in both countries.
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 No.90241

This is so fucking stupid. Suburban bois (I’d say white but you might have curryfags like myself and other asians or latins) are one of the primary consumers of rap music.

My father was a doctor from India and my mother an engineer, but we grew up poor as fuck for the first half of me and my brother’s life (we’re in our mid twenties). And you know what? You wouldn’t guess it looking from us now. This social mobility thing is rare for the united states and likely quite impossible, but you wouldn’t know it looking at us right now.

Enough with the culture war shit. Middle class isn’t real, and our interests are fundamentally united.
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 No.90247

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Ah yes, american rap
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 No.90252

>>90236
what the hell is a chagos islander
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 No.90337

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>>90089
>neck yourself
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 No.90338

>>90247
ah yes, the 1% representative of the 99%, thank you based fellow lefty
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 No.90580

i mean i love rap too anon but

1. plenty of middle and upper class people love rap
2. "classism" is a ridiculous term for the acknowledgement of real class division, which we should encourage. why would i want the rich and petit-bourgeois to be more sensitive about bringing up class? i want their resentment out in the open. its like that old malcolm x adage about a white liberal vs a white conservative being honest about his racism except i prefer an unapologetic WASP pseudo aristocrat banker over Obama
3. harassing people about having different cultural sensibilities is very silly, whether or not you enjoy "poot culture" is insubstantial to your actual class position and for millenia the rich have fetishized the culture and behavior of the poor
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 No.90613

>>89827
Getting hung up on music tastes is pretty pointless. Also I'm not sure what you're talking about, rap is everywhere these days and if anything it's the right wing which tends to disfavor it.

As for classism, people's minds are shaped around the social structures they are filtered through in the course of life. People from similar class backgrounds inevitably tend to preferentially associate with each other for the obvious reason that they are placed on the same stratum. Social stratification also leads to minimal inter-class interactions. Something like 6% of Ivy League students come from working class backgrounds. Even beyond the realms of the elite, people tend to gravitate towards what is easier and more comfortable for them to understand, which is people from a similar educational level, background, income bracket, and sensibility. It's human nature playing out in a class based society is all.
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 No.90689

>>90338
>what is upper class appropriation
Literally most of pop culture and culture in general are created by the working class then corrupted and commoditized by the ruling class. Rap is no different. It has been completely commodified.
There’s practically no intrinsic class characteristics within it anymore. Tying it with race and class is just as retarded as tying any other form of cultural products with class. Culture is apart of the greater superstructure, the superstructure is controles by the economic base which is capitalism. Only braindead Americans think differently. Stop trying to morally justify your shit taste in consumption of capitalist products.
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 No.90699

>>90190
What kind of media do rich actually consume? I thought they were too busy doing drugs, participating in exclusive clubs, learning exclusive codes of etiquette and fucking kids?
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 No.90701

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 No.90879

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5VMZqgVzRo
What's your opinion on this song, OP?
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 No.90926

>>89827
how is this not idpol? what a fucking retard
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 No.90935

>>90701
>Socialism is about mass producing luxury goods for the workers
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 No.91059

>>89827
>rap
>country
>they haven't been coopted and corrupted by capitalism
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 No.91062

>>91059
which is why OP is a stupid take because literally EVERY genre of music and all culture exist as part of the superstructure of capitalism and have therefore been corrupted by capitalism. Some adornoboo should redpill us on this I guess.

No genre is more "proletarian" than the other. Maybe if you're listening to nothing but performances of Renaissance and Medieval music, and also soviet/nork/chinese military marches because those are the only forms of music not produced under capitalism
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 No.91131

Never argued rap or country or any genre was more prol than the other. This whole thread is a bunch of strawman lmao. leftypol sure does have terrible reading comprehension.
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 No.91137

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 No.91145

>>90189
>nobody listens to rap and country
no faggot, i said literally nobody listens to your shitty folk rock
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 No.91147

>>90103
Just imagine if we got peggy to post here, every trace of /pol/yp thought still lurking in these threads would wiped out so fast
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 No.91150

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>>90190
>um sorry sweaty playing the piano is bourgeoisie because a piano costs a lot of money
why are we doing this
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 No.91285

>>91150
unironically fuck anyone who's parents bought the music lessons, simple as.
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 No.91287

>>90222
do you deny that culture such as music is related to class distinctions in general and class background at the subjective level?
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 No.106504

>>91287
In the age of youtube and free excess to books?
Yes
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 No.106512

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Rap is the degradation of black masculinity, it is homosexual because of it's influence from prison culture. Since it's inception (GRANDMASTER flash and the furious five, the sugar hill gang) it was used to create a prolonged adolescence in black folk. It also degrades and disregards black women as objects of whoredom.
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 No.106518

>>91145
don't get angry at me because you have poor reading comprehension.
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 No.106531

>>91287
>download free music makes you bourgeois
Amerimutt Autism. Simple as.
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 No.106535

rap is banned in north korea
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 No.106537

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>>106535
Critical support for DPRK withdrawn if they banned rap but allow K-pop.
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 No.106556

>>106537
>yfw Kim Jong-un is one of the biggest degenerates in the country due to outside influences
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 No.106618

>>106535
Laibach performed in the DPRK. That should tell you they are quite open-minded when it comes to music. Banning rap makes sense, as about 98% of it is complete garbage. banning doesn't make sense, but in the context of a country that does ban things it makes sense to ban rap
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 No.106721

>>89827
bump for based post, rap and country are my favourite genres and I tend to assume certain things about other white people who go out of their way to avoid them

gonna share some memphis rap cause why not
https://youtu.be/zye0h4y1lV4
https://youtu.be/coyYuj0Vsh8
https://youtu.be/PDpfEHxQ27s
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 No.106725

>>106721
is this the precursor to phonk?
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 No.106732

>>90143
put your pink and black flag back on faggot
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 No.106733

>>90079
>Noname is literally the only good rapper
(You)
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 No.106734

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 No.106736

>>106725
yes. phonk is part of 90s memphis revival
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 No.106782

>the "lower class" american who is far better off than even the "middle-class" in the thirld world is claiming people don't listen to him mumbo jumbo because of classism and racism

Rangeban americans
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 No.106826

>>106782
>this faggot
get hookworm and kill yourself you retard class faggot
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 No.106841

>>106826
Seems like I touched a nerve lol
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 No.106846

>>106841
Where are you from? Just like region of the world-wise?
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 No.106850

>>106846
He a beaner
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 No.106865

>>106850
so basically the sandnigger version of a burger, that's hilarious
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 No.106867

>>106841
the only nerves you're touching are the ones in my dick when you suck on it, faggot
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 No.106923

>>90053
There is no "average worker."
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 No.106927

>>106867
Nope, he clearly did not hit a nerve at all.
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 No.107182

>>89920
Know this is late, but I wanna say this applies to black artists as well, but they get no flack for it. Rick Ross was literally a CO and named him self after one of the greatest kingpins to live. Untold numbers of black rappers lie about their gang affiliation or how well they do with women for a shot at being famous.
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 No.107187

>>106927
k, dare to fucking get to ppl who wanna exchange shit with u!
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 No.107221

>>106927
>i'm a cum drooling retard
ok, what else?
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 No.107331

>>106535
There are rappers who made rap videos while visiting the DPRK. Like Xiangyu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEBoxrDqhZE
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 No.107332

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>THIS much butthurt for merely poking fun of their ghetto musicians

Lmao @ liberals
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 No.107368

>>106782
>"lower class" american who is far better off than even the "middle-class" in the thirld world
hello, lib
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 No.107370

Literally everyone likes rap though
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 No.107371

>>89902
Only retards think lyrics matters. Go listen to a D grade Jazz Rock album boomer.
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 No.107372

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>>106512
based retard
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 No.107375

>>107368
t. Labour ariatocrat
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 No.108692

>>89827
debate me on rape

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