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This is a thread only for people who actually do IRL organizing to exchange tactics and ideas. Its time to stop whining about bullshit like Wiccans or shizo pedo rape cult conspiracies, and actually get some actual lessons out of each other, for fucks sake.

Explain your situation, ask a question on what you would like some advice on, and give insight into what you do right now and how successful you are.

Let me start off
>I am the chairman of a local chapter of a socialist nation wide youth org of a european country
>We have, on paper, 90+ youth members in our local chapter
>We have, on paper, 1000+ members nationally
>Recently formed out of a split, still very much in flux
>The real local cadre is around 10-15 people with varying levels of commitment, about 6 people at each weekly or so meeting
>The ideological and practical education of our cadre is low
>Following a broadly orthodox marxist line, as opposed to classical marxist leninist, or maoist, but also containing trotskyites and anarchists

Now the thing I would like your feedback on is explaining how you conduct meetings, how to educate cadre, how to retain cadre, how to ensure people show up, what communist youths are even supposed to do. So let me sketch out what we do now

>We meet once every 2 weeks, set time, set place, set day

>The meetings agenda is made during the two weeks by people finding interesting topics to discuss, and compiled by me, together with any things that need to be done organizational wise
>We discuss developments nearby, such as opportunities for media stunts on specific topics (such as fucking with rich fucktards), setting up protests, our involvement in activist groups and the student union/labour union protests
>We check our list of tasks we made last time, and see what got done
>We discuss the points of that week
>We formulate new points of action based on the outcome of the discussion
>End of meeting

Now, what we do not do is, but not out of any conscious decision
>educating cadre
>making or selling newspapers

I think our largest issues right now is retaining and educating our cadre, both ideologically and in terms of skills, as well as finding enough tasks to do to keep our members engaged if more people happen to show up. We have an okay influx of new members because of the media attention we have, and via direct recruitment via friend circles. The biggest issue is making sure new members keep showing up after the first 3 times.
How do your orgs handle these topics, how would you do it differently, and does it translate into tangible results? How do we (if we should at all) find work to do for our, on paper, sizable cadre, that youths (below 28, mostly highschool and student aged) find enjoyable that also contributes to the workers movement and our party?

>Do you have a motherparty?
Sort of, but not really. Our org is the result of an entire youth wing getting expelled together with a few, but not many, older members. The youth currently dominates the amount of members, which is both a blessing and a curse.
>Go commit terrorism
>Doing anything actually useful is CIA, just post on leftypol about anime titties behind 4 vpns instead
Kill yourself
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At factories, mines, medical personal and so on where workers work close.

Pic - why not?

I've asked this question may be a year ago and curious if something changed.


>Pic - why not?
While it's a good idea and I like it, I'm gonna be the devil's advocate here.

Why not?

Because we don't have 2x trained people for every single position. It would take 10-20 years to transition to such a system because you'd have to recruit and train more people, which gets harder for professions that require a lot of schooling and training.

It'd also be a logistical nightmare, because now you have twice as many people to move, feed, house, etc. Cities would have to double in size, where are these people going to come from?

Thinking about it, I guess in the beginning of the transition most jobs would be in the transition itself, in construction, administration, logistics, manufacturing, feeding. You'd need armies of workers, which is based when thinking about it. It'd be a multi-decade project.

The implications of the undertaking is that it would be abandonment of the countryside and rural villages. Farms and stuff like that would remain, but nobody would live there. If the jobs double, the other people have to move from the villages to the cities. It'd be the complete urbanisation and proletarisation of a country.


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I see >>1080226 more as a cover for the inevitable result that we just don't need that many people working at all.
It's like a stop-gap until enough consciousness is achieved and people go "Hol up, why does this job even exist?" and instead of trying to mutate it it just withers away.
Basically people have internalised work for the sake of work, rather than work for the needs of their community.


imma be real
i have no clue where you get most of this from so i'm just not gonna touch it
But seeing as per 2002 about 50% of US labor is literally producing nothing of value, actively destroying value, or just shuffling money around - there's basically no need for all the shit ur talking about. How long does it take to train someone, not talking about education but on the job training? A week to 6 months. Halve the hours, get rid of the bullshit literally no use value creating jobs (often just scams and protection rackets btw), immediately move those ppl who are mostly already concentrated in cities into productive jobs near where they already are, and just train them up. Sure there are lots of jobs that need actual education, and that'd take a while to get ppl educated up, so you're right there but if it takes 2 years to have it 80% down, 4 years to be like 90% down, and 8 years to have all productive jobs halved in hours - great.

But honestly it's maybe better as a slogan because if working class power could push through such a wild demand/restructuring of the economy, then we'd have the power to stop paying in wages at all. But as a transitional measure this is absolutely necessary, as one of the early actions taken under the DotP.

What i'd love to see is an accounting of what we'd save if production was planned based on need rather than market fads and guesswork since so much shit is just destroyed when no one buys it or the style changes or no one has money to buy it, and adding that with the amount of real use values capitalists use up or make unavailable (afaik their capital can be disregarded since if theyre not using it for their consumption, then it's being used to direct production and in an oblique way is directing the consumption (negatively) of the workers exploited to make the profit and so it can basically poof into thin air and nothing is lost to the accounting of real production) - and then the rest is pretty accounted for i think in the simplistic accountings of unproductive labor that people have done, since withholding capital and keeping consumption from happening and using capital to poorly direct production are bundled up in unproductive labor already… i think. If anyone can sort of "check my math" there or knows about studies looking at the FULL costs of capitalism on society, i'd love to hear it. Cause while the US could cut labor in half and both produce and consume the same amount in a vacuum (or like, international stasis), equalizing consumption and productivity and labor internationally to me is just a wild card since idk how much it'd negate the ability to lower hours and keep consumption up.

Any book or research paper recs?


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>the cell is falling apart


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People in USA/UK orgs: what do you actually do?


Are you asking what their day to day consists of, or what they have accomplished?


go to meetings, talk about stuff. have speakers talk about things. go to protests for various lost causes. possibly sell newspapers or hand out flyers


>the cell is falling apart
Sorry to hear the foko-bro :(
But such is the nature of ecological or organic style structures.
Go solo for a bit, just listen and watch until you feel more energised again.


I'm seeing posters in the main street for at least two different orgs. Much better than commercial garbage.


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There's a snake in my org!


There's a snake in your group, missed rhyming opportunity


bump because good trhtread that needs 2be scene


Responding as per the request of >>1193066

So it's important to keep in mind that a lot of the Left in the U.S. is fractured, isolated, and recovering from both the fall of the USSR and decades of red-baiting. So, a lot of parties and orgs are just getting back off their feet. I think Kaiserreich for HoI IV has unironically turned some gamers into Wobblies (hey, if they're socialists I don't fucking care what does it) and I believe the FRSO is recovering after a brief bit of state-sponsored terror.

So I can mostly only speak about the CPUSA.

For one, most activity seems to be based around clubs. State and local ones. In SoCal there's a bulletin we use to coordinate things and keep us aware of what's going on in a given district; labor struggles, meetings, so on.

On a smaller scale, districts tend to form clubs. Basically, groups of geographically close comrades cooperate on a given project. Sometimes its public gardens, other times its mutual aid. I know some that distribute clean clothes, blankets, food, and water to the homeless while handing out Party Pamphlets. Sometimes groups of artistically minded people form art collectives and host public galleries based on a theme, like anti-colonial struggles or feminism.

When workers are struggling to unionize (as was the case of the ALU) we try to assist where possible, distributing food and water and pamphlets on the benefits of union organizing. We'll attend protests and poor people's campaigns. Basically, we're there to help the proletariat.

As for election season, sometimes we get involved phone banking for candidates, or even do things like involve ourselves in the Bernie campaign; namely because it gives us a chance to learn from experience what a campaign is actually like, as well as talk to people, forge connections, and maybe even radicalize a few.


Back in '08 an older Comrade apparently was phone banking for Obama. One of the numbers he called, I think it was in West Virginia, the guy hears Obama's name and he huffs:
<"Lemme get this straight, do you want it to be the White House or the Black House?!"
The Older Comrade responded with:
>"Well would you rather live in the poor house or live alongside the Black House?"

Anyways apparently they talked for a while about the importance of economic policy, how it matters more than race, so on.

Maybe it didn't change the guy's view, but it at least gave our Comrade some idea of what to expect. Some argument. Some way to reach out to people.

As it stands, the party's growth has been healthy, its funds are stabilizing. Right now we're trying to branch out into the electoral arena, though that's easier said than done.

If I have some free time, I'll try to talk about practical organizing, putting ideas into reality, so on.


Friendly greetings from the Communist Party of Cuba to the CPUSA; figure it would go here.





go back to langley, fed


I wish I made fed bux.


>"Well would you rather live in the poor house or live alongside the Black House?"
Too bad he ended up in the poor house anyways because 0bama cared more about bailing out the FIRE sector.


My current school has since last year restricted all students from using the Wi-Fi, in an attempt to cut usage since the DOE refuses to increase the amount of allotted bandwidth. In response, some of the socialist teachers in this school(a blessing) and I came up with the idea of creating a new union to replace the corporate bootlicking one(since obviously student struggle on its own has not produced much aid at all). You might say I shouldn't care since I'm about to be out of this place anyway, but in the meantime(apart from contacting my local IWW chapter) what could be done to assist this drive?


cocksucker CIA glowie, it's an insult that you call yourself a communist
respectful hate from latin america, FUCK you


What's your issue with the CPUSA?


>You might say I shouldn't care since I'm about to be out of this place anyway
I might not. That would be a silly thing to say! The education system is important.




Linking that post from the brazil thread because its really good and on topic



Should I get involved with EWOC? I am unionized and my union is in a comfortable enough position that it is unlikely to see any kind of opposition to leadership. I want to help organize somehow, but I can't do it in my own workplace in any meaningful way.



in my experience EWOC is mostly a referral service for directing workers to unions, rather than directly leading organizing. idk if that's changed (left the slack like 9 months ago bc I moved out of the states). their research team is very good and it's a good way to meet other labor organizers, but you might have a better time working with other people in your current union to try to start a drive at another workplace that's related to yours


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So, why isn't your org dressing in balaclavas with anti-antifa placards in the forest and sending photos of it to porkies in order to gain financial (or even logistical) sponsorship?


Well, I've sort of improved my view on things. There is always unmanagable contradiction without the mix of the students' movement and the teachers' movement. In a student movement without teachers, we get performative rallies that go nowhere. In a teachers' movement without students, we get reactionary policies that harm the students and some teachers as well, making it harder for them to do their jobs(like the Wi-Fi). I've had quite a few teachers that might scab(my chinese expat history teacher comes to mind, but no hard confirm or deny on that yet), but as long as the comrades advance the MORE line on one point and the SDS line on the other, things should be good.


Along with that, I applied to the SDS, but they never responded. Anything I can do to fix that?



it's going to be a hard sell for you to get support from outside organizations as part of a student movement, because most organizations correctly recognize that student movements have very high turnover built-in year on year and require high levels of organizational investment (e.g. training people who are completely green) for very little return

you're almost better off trying to get in touch with a cohort of past alumni than trying to get a union or political organization to spend resources on this

go through past yearbooks and look up the political donation lists for everyone you can on opensecrets to generate a set of initial leads and see if you can get outside pressure that way


>it's going to be a hard sell for you to get support from outside organizations as part of a student movement, because most organizations correctly recognize that student movements have very high turnover built-in year on year and require high levels of organizational investment (e.g. training people who are completely green) for very little return
fire pussy tho


boooomp (realised I never finished this long posts, I'll do that soon I hope)


i've recently considered joining an org, but it may be for the wrong reasons. my job as it has been has been depressing me more and more, the business is run on toothpicks, workers constantly go in and out, boss is completely out of touch… at this point i'm just going to leave said job and i'm hoping that an org will have some of the answers to get me out of this funk. don't know if i'm making the right choice or not.



> I'll do that soon I hope
I hope so too :)


> I'm gonna write more posts on this. I'm not sure how long I've rambled now
Instead of doing this, how about reading mao and lenin, they have figured out exactly what you're rambling on about.


(Keep in mind though that these orgs formed during times of repression, not during times of being able to operate openly. Lenin wasn't exactly a secretive figure during the uprisings.)


Same issue has been brought up again and again, you just need to ensure there are no sex pests in the party. Relationships will arise within parties, and they are not a problem.


just because cpusa is keep around as a pet political party for the bourgeoisie to say they allow free speech, does not mean that is the only thing it is. Are we to forget that a mao zedong larper was able to turn the virginia branch into a weird struggle session quasimaoist org or that the louisiana branch is known to make public statements that contradict the silly "eco-socialist," "craft beer lover" who posts cringy vote for hillary pieces on people's world?


okay i sent in an application, but i've never done this so i have no idea whether its supposed to be like a job interview or not. if it is i might have come across as unprofessional.


I really fell like I'm in the same boat. I spent the last few years in retail hopelessly overqualified, and saw things that I wasn't supposed to, like a disabled man being abused by micky mouse cunt managers and the general worst aspects of humanity encouraged and amplified. I got into marxism by accident;. quit, found a better job. but that's degenerated into the same shitty situation, run by clueless management, lizard brain business owners, where it has gotten to the point I get depressed going in. even on part time.
I work in a porky store serving porkies , the upper class live on a permanent cruise ship with us as their entertainers. I get palpitations of rage just thinking about it. and urges the next time I hear boomer platitudes about 'sucking it up' or 'pulling up your bootstraps' to strangle the fucks to death with a pillow.
at least if I joined an org I fell like I'd have an outlet, even if it's moving boxes and shuffling papers.


You're joining a working class organisation. Bourgoies expectations and cultural norms of you groveling before superiors labeled as "professionalism" are not a think.
Don't worry, it will be much more like meeting old friends than going for a job interview.


Are there any trot or orthodox Marxist parties in the US? I'd totally be open to joining that over the clownish ML parties here or whatever CPUSA considers themself.


IMT (International Marxist Tendency) is in the US, afaik


thanks anon, im checking them out.


> For a twenty-hour workweek with no loss in pay and a national minimum wage of $1,000 per week.
absolutely joining now, im a single issue Marxist


based and work pilled


IMT is like the most expensive reading group that exists


You're in a good spot to get more comrades into those positions though, until the whole crew of the ship is communist then you can

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