He had Denikin repatriated from America as well. Plus his love for Solzhenitsyn and hatred of the Bolsheviks.
>closet fascist, or is this just part of the rehabilitation of pre-Soviet reactionaries to legitimise the oligarchic rule
They go hand in hand.
Always makes me laugh when you see nationalists from Estonia/Ukraine/Georgia or wherever squealing about Putin being a neo-Bolshevik KGB agent who wants to recreate the USSR lol. He's just as anticommunist as any of the Colonel Jewkillers that are worshipped by nationalists in eastern Europe.
How did someone educated in the Soviet Education System become a fascist? Putin is 70.
How did someone educated in tsarist Russia like Lenin or Stalin become a revolutionary communist? Any social system will produce enemies.
it's understandable for someone of low birth like Lenin to become a communist. Putin has no excuse. Is his character just defective? Is he just a high functioning autist? Is fascism the class ideology of the police and military? Putin is former KGB.
He benefits from his class position and obviously has to rely on liberal/bourgeois/nationalist ideology to justify his position.
The KGB wasn't a perfect organisation, of the various security organisations (Cheka-GPU-OGPU-NKVD-MGB-MVD-KGB) it was by far the worst and obviously it failed in its primary task of preventing counterrevolution.
Are you actually Russian? What do you think the motivation for this war is?
No I'm from Britain.
What the fuck is this pure idealist faggotry you're posting
is that some sort of whisky?
The latter obviously, he shits all over the USSR but still wants to use the great patriotic war as a propaganda tool (even though Stalin, as retarded as he was, was clearly 10x the war planner Putin is)
this just means that the liberal antisoviet version of history is banned but the epic patriotic Putinoid redbrown+antisoviet lite mix is legal
Putin will whine about equating communism and nazism, then fund the gulag museum and see no paradox.
it's probably just legitimately a popular law to put into place, and also posturing towards Ukraine (Russia is who initiated this UN vote outlawing the glorification of Nazi ideology - that only Ukraine/US voted against).
Just recall they lost somewhere between like 24-27 million people in WW2; most families will have had a death in them because of the Nazi's invasion. So, 1) it's popular and 2) posturing (a similar law, if not the exact one you're posting ,was already put into effect a year or 2 ago by Putin
Dom't people always say he's an historical revisionist and he also deviated a lot from the former governments very anti soviet views?
Well he also made it illegal to compare hitler to Stalin aswell
Lenin was not of low birth
>>925442>Putin is former KGB.
He was some kind of pencil pusher was he not? The commitment of the bureaucracy to socialism will always be weak. This is a central lesson of the 20th century imo.
>there is now a wikipedia entry for Putinism
>scroll down again
>learn there are entries for Trumpism and Erdoganism
You can just make up whatever you want nowadays
It's all just Caesarism aka corporatism aka class collaborationism aka fascism.
There is either liberalism or fascism within capitalism, with blends in-between the two.
>>925442>Putin is former KGB.
USSR wasn't socialist since 1957 and became social imperialist by mid-1960s
liberals have gone mental
>>926351>Why does this far-right fascist country
What is fascism? Are you just talking out of your ass you radlib uyghur?
>not a communist
Then why are you on here shilling for Putin?
With the course this board has taken in the last few years this question should be redundant
>Because russia is a democracy
> public tv during political talk shows the only person that say "stalin killed a lot of people" is soloviev,
not really, Kiselyov literally runs his shit about how Krasnov was a good guy
you are also forgetting that the russian state were also employing people like Pozner or Svanidze who are open liberals
Russian state Tv also broadcast crap anti soviet movies like Sobibor or Mikhalkovs shit
It is absolutely ok to push anti sovietism on the russian state media when it is done "patriotic way"
Telling the truth about history is not at all the same as the rehabilitation of fascists
>>926462>pointing out that Putin is an obvious reactionary, sitting on a mountain of evidence, glows somehow
Человече, о чем ты
Are you serious framing an electoral “democracy” like Russia as a real democracy? Are you sure that you’re a socialist?
He isn’t, literally said so in his first comment
Сам ты русский, не так ли? Я индус, скорее мои родители индусы, хоть я сам всю жизнь проживал США. Тем не менее, свободно владею языком.
Повторюсь. О чем ты? Да, Путин—не нацик. А буржуазная демократия нисовсем не демократическая
>>925434>came of age during the height of social imperialism
i wonder why he’s a raging reactionary and great russian chauvinist
mystery of our times
О чем ты? “Демократия” тут при чем?
Military leaders will always have more inclination to be fascist. Which is interesting since when Italy embraced fascism, fascism had more cultural victories than military ones kek.
>>925421>Ilyin has been quoted by Russian President Vladimir Putinhttps://www.rt.com/russia/putin-immigration-manifest-article-421/
The only times Putin has ever Ivan Ilyin quoted was in these two articles:<Russia is not a "melting pot">The essence of the “national question” for Russia – which Putin stresses “is not an ethnic state or an American melting pot where everyone is, one way or another, an immigrant” – is that the country is a multi-ethnic state “with an ongoing process of mutual adjustment, mutual understanding, and unification of people through families, friendship, and work.” Russia is a state with hundreds of ethnicities, living on their land together and near Russians, he explained.Putin went on to quote the philosopher and writer, Ivan Ilyin, in a passage that is meant to underscore Russia’s historical respect for all creeds and colors: “Not to eliminate, not to suppress, not to enslave other people’s blood, not to stifle the life of different tribes and religions – but to give everyone breath and the great Russia…to honor all, to reconcile all, to allow everyone to pray in their own way, to work in their own way, and to engage the best in public and cultural development.”The leads to the very heart of Putin’s plan for uniting the multi-ethnic nation: “The core, the binding fabric of this unique civilization – is the Russian people, Russian culture.”Then, in what appears to be a reference to his political opponents, Putin goes on to warn that “various instigators and our opponents will make every effort to tear out of Russia – with false assertions about the Russians’ right to self-determination, ‘racial purity,’ and the need to ‘finish the job of 1991 and complete the destruction of the empire, sitting on the necks of the Russian people’ – in order to ultimately force people to destroy their Motherland with their own hands.”
<Russia as a ‘historic state’>Despite all the superficial similarities, our situation is fundamentally different. Our national and immigration problems are directly linked to the collapse of the Soviet Union and, in essence, Greater Russia, whose historic foundations were built back in the 18th century. To the subsequent inevitable degradation of state, social, and economic institutions. To the enormous gap in development on the post-Soviet territory. Having declared sovereignty 20 years ago, the then-deputies of the RSFSR, amid a fight against the “union center”, launched the creation of “nation-states” – even within the Russian Federation itself. The “union center”, in turn, while trying to put pressure on its opponents, engaged in a behind-the-scenes game with Russian autonomies, promising to raise their “national and statehood identity.” Today, the participants in these processes are pointing the finger at one another. But one thing is clear – their actions led inevitably to disintegration and separatism. They did not have the courage, or the responsibility, or the political will to successfully and insistently defend the territorial integrity of the Motherland. That which the initiators of the “sovereignty-related undertakings” had, perhaps, failed to realize, was very clearly and rapidly understood by everyone else – including those living outside of our state. And the consequences were immediate. After the country’s collapse, we found ourselves on the verge of, and in certain regions, beyond the brink of a civil war, one that was ethnically motivated. With great efforts and great sacrifice, we were able to subdue these flashpoints. But that, of course, does not mean that the problem has been resolved. However, even at a time when the state, as an institution, was critically weakened, Russia did not disappear. What happened was exactly the process described by Vasily Klyuchevsky, writing about the first Russian revolution: “When the political ties of public order fractured, the country was rescued by the moral will of the people.” Incidentally, our November 4th holiday – National Unity Day – which some superficially call “the day of victory over the Poles,” is in reality “the day of victory over oneself,” over internal animosity and strife, when classes and nationalities acknowledge themselves as being one community – one nation. We have the right to consider this holiday the birthday of our civil nation. The historic Russia is neither an ethnic state nor an American “melting pot”, where everyone is, one way or another, an immigrant. Russia emerged and for centuries developed as a multi-ethnic state – a state with an ongoing process of mutual adjustment, mutual understanding, and unification of people through families, friendship and work, with hundreds of ethnicities living together on the same land. The development of these vast territories, which has filled the whole of Russian history, was a collective effort of many nations. Suffice it to say that ethnic Ukrainians live on the territory, stretching from the Carpathians to Kamchatka – just as do ethnic Tatars, Jews, Belarusians… One of Russia’s earliest philosophical and religious works, The Sermon on Law and Grace, rejects the very theory of a Chosen People and preaches the idea of equality before God. Meanwhile, the Primary Chronicle illustrates the multiethnic nature of the Old Russian state as follows: “Everyone speaks Slavic in the Rus: Polans, Drevlians, Novgorodians, Polochany, Dregovichs, Northerners, Buzhans…But other peoples: chinlet, Meria, Ves, Muroma, Cheremis, Mordvins, Perm, Pechera, Yam, Lithuania, Kors, Narova, Livs – these have their own languages…” It is this special quality of Russian statehood that was outlined in Ivan Ilyin’s works: “Not to eliminate, not to suppress, not to enslave other people’s blood, not to stifle the life of different tribes and religions – but to give everyone breath and the great Russia…to honor all, to reconcile all, to allow everyone to pray in their own way, to work in their own way, and to engage the best in public and cultural development.” The core, the binding fabric of this unique civilization – is the Russian people, Russian culture. And it is this core that various instigators and our opponents will make every effort to tear out of Russia – with false assertions about Russians’ right to self-determination, “racial purity”, the need to “finish the job of 1991 and complete the destruction of the empire, sitting on the necks of the Russian people” – in order to ultimately force people to destroy their Motherland with their own hands. I am deeply convinced that attempts to promote the idea of creating a Russian “national” mono-ethnic state contradict our thousand-year-old history. Moreover, it is the shortest path towards the destruction of the Russian nation and Russian statehood – as well as any viable sovereign statehood in our land. When they start screaming: “Stop feeding the Caucasus,” just wait, as tomorrow a new call will inevitably follow: “Stop feeding Siberia, the Far East, the Ural, Volga, Moscow region…” This is the recipe followed by those who brought the Soviet Union to collapse. As for the infamous idea of national self-determination, which has been speculated on repeatedly by various politicians – from Vladimir Lenin to Woodrow Wilson – while fighting for power and political dividends, the Russian people have long self-determined themselves. Self-determination of the Russian people – a poly-ethnic civilization, held together by a Russian cultural core. This determination has been confirmed many times over by the Russian people – and not in plebiscites or referendums, but with blood. Throughout the entire 1,000 years of history.BOTH FROM 2012
And following the idels of this guys are rejected:https://www.rt.com/russia/ethnic-russians-launch-protection-537/>the head of the Congress of Russian Communities Russian MP Aleksey Zhuravlev and attorney Oksana Mikhalkina – the founders have already chosen a name for the center.They plan to name it after Ivan Ilyin>The Ilyin Center sets an ambitious objective of changing the Russian laws, in particular Articles 280 and 282 of the Criminal Code, which criminalize public calls for extremist activity and instigating race and national hatred. Presently, 90 per cent of people prosecuted under these articles are ethnic Russians. The law can be changed, in particular, through changing the criteria for finding the literature and media materials extremist.The center also plans to offer protection to ethnic Russians in all criminal cases and to cooperate with other NGOs that deal with problems of nationality and nationalism. Oksana Mikhalkina, who already specializes in representing ethnic Russians in court, told the newspaper that the current situation in law enforcement and judicial spheres was “outrageous arbitrariness”AND GUESS WHAT!>The head of the Religion and Politics Institute, Aleksandr Ignatenko, said that the organizations like the Ilyin Center can only make worse the national differences in the Russian Federation and reminded that President-elect Vladimir Putin had opposed the creation of political parties on the basis of religion in one of his recent speeches, while the center, in the expert’s view, is in essence, a proto-party.As this interesting OPed says:https://www.rt.com/op-ed/373753-dostoyevsky-putin-russia-dark-soul/<Latest in Putin mind-reading: It’s all Dostoyevsky’s fault>It’s also not the first time journalists have attempted to explain Putin using 19th century writers and philosophers. As Robinson noted on his blog, last year it was Ivan Ilyin — and next year it will probably be someone else who holds the true key to understanding Putin’s soul.
OP is b8.
Also, Zyuganov has writting about Ivan Ilyin, too (see image too)
OP as always, sucks dicks.
the kremlin plays both the far-left and the far-right, rhetorically and through political donations to political parties. the invasion of ukraine is simultaneously nonsensically justified as “denazification” (azov brigade which secretly controls the government somehow, etc) and “decommunization” (ukraine was given political autonomy by the bolsheviks in the first place, a horrific crime on their part). it’s blatant cynical demagoguery, and obviously the 8chan campist-brained “communists” on here fell for it, or are on their payroll, who knows
non senseical response.
Ilyin is used both By Putin and Zyuganov in the national question to defend the Russian multi-ethnic cohesive structure and state.
Feds like OP or @928597 forget about the support Ilyin did for the October Revolution and the Thesis on Hegel.
If we can accept reformed liberals, we can reject fascists and use part of their ideology before they stranded to form a good ideology.
What works, works, what is useless, is useless.
sage in all fields.
Another figure popular with Putin: Ivan Sergeevich Shmelev, who welcomed the fascist attack on the USSR in 1941 by claiming "god is with the Fuhrer" and supporting the Vlasovites.https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%91%D0%B2,_%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
Russian communist article about Putin.https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2022/02/26/%d0%b4%d0%b5%d0%bd%d0%b0%d1%86%d0%b8%d1%84%d0%b8%d0%ba%d0%b0%d1%86%d0%b8%d1%8f-%d0%be%d0%b9-%d0%bb%d0%b8/http://archive.government.ru/eng/docs/4226/print/
>"Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited the cemetery of the Donskoy Monastery in Moscow, laying flowers on the graves of prominent Russians re-interred here in 2005 and 2006: General Anton Denikin, philosopher Ivan Ilyin and writer Ivan Shmelev".
>>925431>Always makes me laugh when you see nationalists from Estonia/Ukraine/Georgia or wherever squealing about Putin being a neo-Bolshevik KGB agent who wants to recreate the USSR lol
even biden said this bullshit when the war broke out
he was not of high birth either. he came from a family of prosperous peasants, like mao. he experienced hardship however from the shunning of his family after the execution of his older brother, for attempting to assassinate the tsar alexander III.
unfortunately bureaucracies are very hard to purge because they're entrenched, have special knowledge that would be disastrous to go without, and their methods are usually necessary for keeping everything running smoothly. Every revolutionary government comes to the crossroads of purging bureaucracy. The ones that choose to run into massive economic hardship and social unrest. The ones that don't become same as the old boss.
Yeah well if they said the truth and that he's a capitalist put into power by their man Yeltsin in 1999, then that wouldn't look good, would it?
literally november 2021https://archive.ph/Za1mD>Отвечая недавно на вопрос о наиболее близких ему мыслителях, Путин назвал имена Ивана Ильина и Николая Бердяева. «Это люди, которые думали о России, думали о ее будущем», — объяснил он свой выбор.
There is no mind reading, retard, it's literally what he says
>but muh Zyuganov
Zyuganov is autistic retard who was always running red-brown bullshithttps://www.sova-center.ru/hate-speech/news/2003/09/d905/
>На вопрос К.Душенова "Вы не боитесь обвинений в том, что "специально разыгрываете" :национальную карту; накануне выборов?" Г.Зюганов со всей партийной прямотой отвечает: "Не боюсь! Ведь проблема эта не надуманная. Наш народ не слепой. Он не может не видеть того, что сионизация государственной власти стала одной из причин нынешнего катастрофического состояния страны, массового обнищания и вымирания ее населения. Он не может закрывать глаза на агрессивную роль сионистского капитала в развале экономики России и расхищении ее общенародного достояния. Он справедливо задается вопросом, как могло произойти такое, что ключевые позиции в ряде отраслей захвачены в ходе приватизации преимущественно представителями одной национальности. Он видит, что в руках тех же лиц сосредоточен контроль над средствами массовой информации, ведущими разрушительную борьбу против нашего Отечества, нравственности, языка, культуры и веры"
>>930249>literally november 2021
And the quote of him is not too different from 2012, is all about the Russian national question.>There is no mind reading, retard, it's literally what he says
What mind reading am I doing? I am not the one mindreading Putin's head, I am not like you or other liberals pretending that Putin is something because frames a particular side of his beliefs into a single framework, because I am pointing out he's a complex character. He uses Ilyin in the Russian national question
, nothing else. It's not "his favorite", just punctually approaching what it means to be Russian
.>but muh Zyuganov
lol butthurt>Zyuganov is autistic retard who was always running red-brown bullshit
And that's your opinion.
Both are right on how to approach a way to make a strong Russian state, in particular when it is being predated by the west to dismantle it since immemorial times. No other way around you can get Armenians, Chechens, Buryats, Ingush, etc. to feel Russian, particularly under capitalism, but teaching these particular messages.
Or in any regard do you see Putin saying that whites are superior? Mongols are superior? Chechens are superior? Moskvas are superior? or a particular something
is superior and they need to impose inside Russia the way of that superior entity over the other groups?
Yeah, yeah, workers unite around the world, socialism internationalism, etc.
When I see in the colonizer imperial west a socialist and communist revolution sahking-off all their states I will question Putin's and Zyuganov's actions more, because by that time if ever
happens, these two guys will be outdated. Meanwhile.
As I said:>What works, works, what is useless, is useless.
>>925434>Vladimir Putin, Russia's current President, has said in a 1991 interview:>I must tell you that there was a time in my life when I was very interested in Marxism and Leninism, read a lot about it, found it interesting and often logical. But as I matured, the truth became more and more apparent to me, that all of that was no more then a beautiful but dangerous fairy tale, dangerous because an attempt of its implementation in our country caused a lot of harm. And I would like to talk about the tragedy, which we are experiencing today, the tragedy of disintegration of our state, which you cannot call anything else but tragedy. I think that the actors of October 1917 put a time bomb under the foundation of this building, the building of a unitary state called Russia. They broke our fatherland into separate princedoms [i.e. republics], which never existed of the map of the world. Gave them parliaments and governments, and now we have what we have. On the other hand they destroyed what glues, molds the people of civilized countries – market relationships. They destroyed the market, emerging capitalism.
If the USSR didn't have dissolved, Putin would be a hardline communist.
Yes, the USSR dissolving drilled a hole in everyone's minds. Snowflakes communists become the liberal rats they had inside. It's good Putin learned through the 90s that liberalism did as much, if not more harm to Russia's national interests than the USSR failing.
>>932705>If the USSR didn't have dissolved, Putin would be a hardline communist.
What does it even mean anyway? "Oh look I'm a bureaucrat managing the economy". Yeah just like Marx said…
did you have a stroke or something
>>932691>And the quote of him is not too different from 2012, is all about the Russian national question.
It isn't about the national question at all, lol
you may running your your shit about le national question but that's not what he was talking about. Either learn russian or learn to read
>he's a complex character
he's a yeltsinite bastard, that's all one needs to know about him
I am not the one who came in this thread crying that wwe say no no words about Putin, lol
>And that's your opinion.
no, it isn't. Zyuganov is literally one of the main reasons why the term red brown was even used in the 90s so much
>Both are right on how to approach a way to make a strong Russian state
what approach? blaming the jews and "zionification" like Zyuganov did back in his day?
Or muh internationalist bolsheveek Lenin who put nuclear bomb under Russia and created muh Ukraine?
>No other way around you can get Armenians, Chechens, Buryats, Ingush, etc. to feel Russian
they don't, lmao. Tell a chechen that he's a russian, he will beat your smartass to death, kek.
>>932705>If the USSR didn't have dissolved, Putin would be a hardline communist.
but the guy was born in the USSR and was a butt buddy with Boris yeltsyn
In Putin's own words, his one qualm with the collapse of the USSR in 89-91 was that it was too hasty in pulling out of its Warsaw Pact satellites and thus made Russia's attempts to reconsolidate its hold on those countries post-liberalization much harder.https://web.archive.org/web/20101111233253/http://archive.kremlin.ru/articles/bookchapter5.shtml
Putin's one interest in the USSR was the chokehold that Great Russia had across Eastern Europe and Asia under the Warsaw Pact geopolitical order. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing other than that single aspect. He's been extremely clear about this.
Putin complained in the KGB about the communist ideology and thought it got in the way of his work. He's an idiot. The basis of the USSR was socialism and Marxism-Leninism, not abstract power.
>>932888>It isn't about the national question at all, lol<Russia is not a "melting pot"<Russia as a ‘historic state’N O T A B O U T N A T I O N A L Q U E S T I O N
jfc, stopping replying to this lib.
not gonna reply to the rest because it's not a good-faith answer when indeed it was about national question.
Ok, re-replying this lib, and ONLY
the dangerous part, because that's fedposting trying to split communities into ethnic groups.>Tell a chechen that he's a russianAsk to those living in Farnce, they know better than those who actually live in Chechen, like picrel, or other communities, like viderl how they feel identified
>>933033>was a butt buddy with Boris yeltsyn<CURIOUS HE ERASED YELTSIN'S MARKET REOFRMS
Good to be a good 'yeltsinite' by doing the opposite of what yeltsin did
This thread is plagued with idealism. Begone, spooks.
>>934558>CURIOUS HE ERASED YELTSIN'S MARKET REOFRMS
Did not lol.
China has recently equalled Russia in GDP per capita yet Russia has universal healthcare while China still doesn't have universal healthcare and has no stated goal for it, in fact Xi recently whined about welfarism and is promoting privatizing pensions.
I was reading about the Rodina party in Russia, which fully backs Putin, that's now openly calling for "decommunisation".https://rodina.ru/novosti/Lider-RODINY-Pora-provesti-dekommunizaciyu-Rossii
and here's the funny part about Rodina, it used to be led by Rogozin (the director of Roskosmos), who was a literal neo-nazi back in the 90s
As a Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to NATO he supported the creation of a NATO transit point in Ulyanovsk back in 2012
These are the people around Putin. That's where one gets in alliance with duginoids
nobody said that, cretin
you are the one defending a literal nazi here, lol
Didn't know that, interesting.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-heartland-fears-nato-transit/2012/06/27/gJQAU7E75V_story.html
And yes you're right, Dugin himself palled around with Brzezinski. It's why communists must always stress proletarian interests, proletarian internationalism.
"Decommunisation" can only ever mean fascism and bourgeois power, whether it's Banderites, the Russian white guard, the German nazis, Afghan jihadis or indeed, the likes of Putin.
semantics, your argument is indistinguishable from the alt-right fashoids saying "we're not Nazis, the Nazi party only existed in the 1930s"
Why do you conflate the USSR with Russia? Russian ethnic supremacists have existed since liberalism tried to remove the Tsar and his inbred aristocrats
>if Russia weren’t the center of the world socialism movement and were Putin not making explicit his intentions to undo Yeltsin’s evil
holy jesus fuck
Back to the containment thread
1) reality doesn't follow your definitions
2) russian fascists and national socialist existed in the russian emigrant community
3) neo nazis in the eastern europe exist regardless of that
4) rogozin was a neo nazi sieg heiler, regardless of your smartass argument that russian can't be a nazi, lol
I just realized he looked like Tucker Carlson in 1995 lmao
Rogozin? More like Rogaty (Russian for “horned/cuckold”)
he looks like evil lenin
nah he looks like an angrier Gabriele D'Annunzio
Boris Yeltsin was a member of the CPSU as well, for him and a lot of later anti-communists they used party membership as just a loyalty stamp and or betrayed their beliefs when it was convienant.
Tons of people in the CPC now have very different views on how to proceed, from Maoists to lib cucks, and further a ton of people just use it for employment benefits instead of any actual beliefs in anything.
first one hurts, oh well.
wow such hardship, they had to wipe their tears with a few new agricultural estates
The death camps for homosexuals in Russia.
Like the Uyghur's organ harvesting facilities in Xinjiang?
Doesn't exist. What exists is abuse by police in Chechnya, which included incidents of abduction and torture of gay people at police precincts.
Who else did Putin rehabilitate?
there can be death camps perfectly well under liberalism
fascism isn’t all that special
Вали в засраиль, крыса.
Nice strawman, liberashka.
All liberals suck, whether they are Russians, Jews, Germans or Nigerians. There's nothing nazi about this.
This is just a banal truth.
He WAS of high birth. Stalin was from a peasant family, but Lenin was literally aristocrat.
Jesus, at least read the wiki or something.
It's laughable to call Lenin an aristocrat. His father didn't get the title until the young Ilyich was an adolescent, and it was a very low rank.
Even before he had a title, his father already was a high ranking official and his grandafather was a doctor, meaning Lenin was not of "low birth" and definitely wasn't from a peasant family. From the birth he had access to resources and education 90% of the country couldn't even dream of. And with the aristocratic title came aristocratic privilidges, putting him in a very small sized upper strata.
Leninhat flagfag retarded as usual.
He was from a family of serfs who climbed his way up. I never said he was of low birth and it hardly matters, the Russian nobility had millions of members and how many were Lenins? He used his education to work for the interest of the 90+ million proletarians and poor peasants of the empire.
>>982280>From the birth he had access to resources and education 90% of the country couldn't even dream of.
And he used those resources and that education to overthrow the system and establish one where such resources were available to everybody. Almost like he hung them with the rope they sold him.
>>982291>He was from a family of serfs who climbed his way up.
Only his grandafather was a serf who fled and became a мещанин (something like a burgher) in Astrakhan'. His father got a great education in Kazan' university (which is quite a tell already) and became high ranking official. On his mother side there weren't any serfs. If you think that in Russian Empire any serf or free peasant could get the title, you are dead wrong.
>I never said he was of low birth and it hardly matters
Then why the fuck were you even responding to my post you retarded schizo?
>He used his education to work for the interest of the 90+ million proletarians and poor peasants of the empire.
Lemme guess, you retard though that i was trying to criticize Lenin or something by telling that he was aristo?
I guess i could direct this >>982324
post to you also, sabofag.<Lemme guess, you retard though that i was trying to criticize Lenin or something by telling that he was aristo?
>>982324>His father got a great education in Kazan' university (which is quite a tell already) and became high ranking official. On his mother side there weren't any serfs. If you think that in Russian Empire any serf or free peasant could get the title, you are dead wrong.
Obviously anyone couldn't but some could rise, most couldn't of course which makes Lenin even more impressive. Feudalism was dying in the Russian Empire and a number of serfs/peasants clawed their way up on the backs of others.
>Lemme guess, you retard though that i was trying to criticize Lenin or something by telling that he was aristo?
Yeah basically. Reeks of petiness. 99.99999% of aristocrats (did anyone consider Lenin an aristocrat at the time) wouldn't do what he did.
I don't think i am gonna tell you anything new when i say that you are in top 3 flagfag retards of this board.
>Feudalism was dying in the Russian Empire and a number of serfs/peasants clawed their way up on the backs of others.
Quick check - what percent of the population of Russian Empire had aristocratic title?
There were 1.8 million aristocrats.https://spartacus-educational.com/RUSnobility.htm
Lenin killed a good few thousand of them after 1917 lol.
ilyin was an authentic socialist and he fought je- sorry anglo-american global financial imperialism
read lenin and stop glowing
1.2 million of which were hereditary nobility (like Lenin's father), so around 1% fo the total population. Saying that belonging to top 1% is being of low birth is quite retarded. Which was the whole point of my first post before you butted in trying to defend Lenin from accusation no one has made.
You are pretty dumb even for an anglo.
Death to America
Lenin's father was one generation removed from serfdom, stop trying to lump him in with the rest of the cretins like the Romanovs and Sternbergs.
Do you even know how to read?
Do you understand nuance?
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