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 No.92837[Last 50 Posts]

But seriously, I just want to get this aside. And sorry if this has been discussed many of times (feel free to also link me to another board where this has been discussed). But what is really the appeal of National Bolshevism? It just seems very incoherent to me and just a hodgepodge of right wing and left wing ideas that is ultimately anti-liberal. If you want to have an effect on the world, shouldn't you have a more coherent ideology? Due to its incoherence it just seems more like a social club to me. Or like an aimless petty bourg movement. Does any Nazbol have a more or less unified theory on how human society develops (like Marxism)?
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 No.92846

Nazbols seek to seize the means of production via a centralized workers state the engages itself with economic planning, but with the nationalist supremacy of fascists.

It's actually fairly coherent for a meme ideology. The actual national bolshevik party was (is?) pretty standard conservative nationalism, attempting to reclaim Russian hegemony through Soviet aesthetics.
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 No.92849

>>92846
Meme ideologies are never coherent.
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 No.92853

literal sexual repression
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 No.92858

>>92853
What kind? I mean Limonov was out with his bisexuality.
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 No.92862

>>92858
I mean the extremely online incel simp kind. Russian punk rock nazbolers are a completely different group of people to what Nazbol is in the internet.
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 No.92863

I mean, to be honest, I don't think there can really be a "union" of far-right and far-left ideals. Limonov believed in radical social changes (was bisexual himself) and Dugin was hyper conservative. They also ended up splitting.
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 No.92865

>>92837
Meme Ideology.

Any "serious" Nazbol is a Fascist that thinks the USSR wasn't ultimate Satan, but cool in actuality.
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 No.92866

>>92862
But they still subscribe to the same "ideology":
National Bolshevism.

I just want to know, what is it? What is its methodology in terms of making sense of the world? What gives it substance other than just a blanket term for fringe ideologues that are dissatisfied with liberalism?
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 No.92868

>>92865
I mean, I don't think the USSR wasn't the ultimate Satan either. Surely better than most places.
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 No.92870

>>92866

Cope and a Misreading of Marx and a Refusal to see the USSR for what it was
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 No.92871

The only time Nazbol has ever been relevant is fighting the Russian Fed government in the 90's. They were idealist socialists/left socdems into art and punk rock, thus the swastika invocation. They caused trouble rioting and got caught running guns a few times, and in more recent years sent some fighters to Novorossiya, but that's about it.
Their lasting legacy is living rent free in the minds of redditors and twits after they got trolled too hard by shitposters in 2017 shouting "HETEROS ARE JEWS" at them.
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 No.92872

>>92837
>shouldn't you have a more coherent ideology?
No. An ideology doesn't have to be coherent, to be successful. Best examples are "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" and Qanon.
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 No.92875

>>92872
I disagree. A successful ideology must be coherent. Socialism with Chinese Characteristics may be different from classical Maoism, and recognize internal contradictions but it doesn't mean it's incoherent.
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 No.92880

Actual Nazbol is a meme. Internet Nazbol is even more of a meme, and just a result of political window shopping built from insecurity in terms of ones beliefs.
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 No.92882

>>92875
Nazbol is coherent in that it actually is just Fascism or Russian Traditionalism and there is no fusion between Soviet Marxism. That would make it incoherent
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 No.92886

>>92882
But in many ways it's not.
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 No.92889

>>92866
Nazbol is just edgy iconography Russian punk rockets used to taunt mom and dad. Internet kind is incel simps mad about white genocide.
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 No.92890

>>92882
Fascism is never coherent.
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 No.92892

>>92886
What do you mean "it's not"
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 No.92894

>>92892
Mixing fascist aesthetics with soviet aesthetics for one, is definitely not coherent.
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 No.92899

>>92890
I mean for us Marxists it isn't . But Combining Reactionary Thought with Radical Socialist Thought is incoherent on another Level. You get People like Dugin and Sorel, who are Leftist in Name only. Look at what they are advocating. It is Reactionary.
Sorel had to abandon the Reaction and fully embrace Socialism after WW1 to become coherent
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 No.92900

>>92894
Is it really tho? A lot of fascist aesthetic and rhetoric is originally just appropriated leftist one, no?
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 No.92905

>>92882
Russian Nazbols weren't traditionalists lol, just take a look at their art hoe propaganda. And you could only call them fascists if you also call socdems fascist, because ultimately their platform was edgy social democracy.
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 No.92906

>>92894
Yeah that's why it's a Meme. It doesn't exist in the Real World. Nominal Nazbols are just Russian Ultra-Conservatives like Dugin. Even he had to abandon his retarded project, because he saw it was a meme
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 No.92907

>>92899
Okay, so we don't have a disagreement. I don't know what you're nit-picking at.
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 No.92909

>>92905
Exactly, like a mentioned earlier, Limonov was pretty open about his bisexuality
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 No.92913

This 'latest iteration' NazBolism isn't real. It's just a joke that was memed into existence by the political compass-obsessed terminally online and Mere Exposure.
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 No.92915

>>92905
My point is that people who advocate for some sort of mix between the Far-Left and the Far-Right don't go far. You can force unity. You have people that either side with the Left or Rightoids like Dugin, but never a true Nazbol
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 No.92916

>>92900
That's what makes fascism incoherent.
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 No.92919

>>92916
>That's what makes fascism incoherent.
Not only that but yeah, true lmao
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 No.92937

I'm just really tired of the whole NazBol thing to be honest. Not because of "muh Fascism" (because fascism really is only a threat when it's backed by finance capitalists, not by some retard on the internet), but on one hand it's because it's just incoherent and isn't going to do anything in the real world, and on the other it's just a word to condemn people who are critical of idpol (like Joti Brar) or even those who talk to those who are critical of idpol (like Caleb Maupin). It's an infantile disorder on the "left"
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 No.92940

>>92937
nazbol is just the new "tanky" ever since "tanky" wore off as a slur since MLs co-opted it.
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 No.92943

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>>92937
>I'm just really tired of the whole NazBol thing to be honest.
I love Nazbol.
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 No.92945

>>92943
Lol. But Limonov sided with Liberals at one point.
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 No.92946

>>92945
I don't care, so did communists.
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 No.92947

>>92943
Honestly when I read excerpts of Limonov it just sounds like he's a wannabe Vice editor lmao
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 No.92950

>>92945
During an emergency is only the thing I can think of (like WW2). They don't when they're trying to overthrow the old govt or build their own government. As far as I know.
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 No.92951

>>92943
It's hard to even explain Marxism-Leninism to others, I'll admit, but usually when I try, I throw in concepts like the vanguard, or the concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat, or socialism in one state, etc. What are some tenets of National Bolshevism? Are they proven to work?
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 No.93075

>>92943
>me like nazbol, stfu lib
>can't explain
And this is why national bolshevism is a meme.
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 No.93145

>>92951
>What are some tenets of National Bolshevism?
My "local" nazbol group are basically ML Eurocoms with a deep hatred of the USA,so they're okay,they're more patriotic than nationalist,and basically call for self determination of individual country in a socialist union.
I don't get why they pose themselves as NazBols except because they scream globalism bad.
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 No.93149

>>93145
So I guess it's just shock value? I I mean patriotism isn't necessarily bad.
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 No.93156

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 No.93160

>This thread again
Nazbol is a small ideology from Germany that hasn't been relevant since the 1930s. The high point of National Bolshevism was being mentioned in a book by Lenin in 100 years ago. That's it.

Sometimes I wish /leftypol/ hadn't memed this shit
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 No.93163

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>Stalin supported black immigration in 20s to 40s.Black people said that in the USSR they were treated like actual human beings.
>Stalin made anti-semitism illegal in 1945.Jewish people said that the USSR was much better then Israel,"Israel just treated us like canon fodder"
>The soviet union supported the civil rights movement,Black Panthers and third world liberationists while also shitting on the KKK and US racism.
>USSR had 128 different ethnic groups.
>every other socialist state was non-white.

Nazbols:NOOO SOCIALISM CAN ONLY HAPPEN IN LE BASED CRINGE BOOMER ZOOMER COOMER TRAD WIFE HWUITE ETHNOSTATERINOS.

Bonus points if the nazbol is a self hating jew,trans,homosexual,non white,irish.
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 No.93172

>>93160
>acts very well read on the topic
>talks about the wrong nazbols
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 No.93175

>>92837
It's a method for Nazis to insinuate themselves into leftest spaces and redirect their efforts towards fascist goals. That's literally all there is to it. The ideology is incoherent because, like all fascist ideologies, it conforms itself to whatever immediate means are necessary for seizing power at the expense of others, which is the only real goal they're ever concerned with.
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 No.93182

>>93172
>thinking it matters
>thinking Limonov's nazbol was a political movement and not an art project and shitty LARP
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 No.93186

basically there differrent kinds of nazbols because such tendencies existed in Russia (or russian emigration), Germany, France and Italy.

the term was first used for nationalistic german communists who called Versailles treaty and the french occupation of Ruhr, imperialism.

basically most of nazbols in European countries were bascially conservatives who opposed liberal capitalism so they preferred some sort of combination between ancient regime and social democracy. basically the same that Engels called reactionary socialism.

the first who formulated national bolshevism as a coherrent ideology were Niekisch and Paetel. these two were actually socialist unlike people like Spengler or Strasser who whined about Marxism being not truuuuu soshulizm. After 1933 Paetel had to emigrate and Niekisch was arrested. (that's how the NS regime loved the nazbols)

the russian emigration nazbols were mostly people who were coping with the fact that the bolsheviks were able to restore Russia after the civil war so fast. After 1945 many of them tried to return to Russia but usually were arrested and executed, like Ustryalov for example (and that's how Stalin loved the nazbols)

Limonov's NBP was basically a countercultural thing. they just wanted to provoke. of course they were a product of the "red-brown" russian millieu of that time but they never had a coherrent ideology (that's main reason why Dugin left them). nowadays they are just nationalist socdems (more socialist than most of the european socdems tho)
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 No.93198

>>93186
I'm just beginning to feel that it's post-imperialist european butthurt. Instead of actually trying to make revolution.
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 No.93203

Does it make sense to qualify some of those new kinds of Welfare-chauvinist parties like the Danish People's party, Front National (post-JM Le Pen) and the Austrian FPO that dropped their overtly neoliberal programs as a type of NazBol-lite? lol
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 No.93208

>>93203
>Danish People's party, Front National (post-JM Le Pen) and the Austrian FPO
are they really pro welfare?
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 No.93212

>>93208
I mean often it's just electoral strategy to fool the working class voter base but some parties using it like those in parts of Eastern Europe have actually enacted welfare policies motivated by natalism, yes.
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 No.93237

idpol obssesed petty bourg larping as bolsheviks
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 No.93238

>>92866
idealism
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 No.93242

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>>92890
fascism is more coherent than nazbol
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 No.93243

>>92905
>And you could only call them fascists if you also call socdems fascist,
yes? thats what they are
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 No.93246

>>93243
I made a point of that because 90% of the people shitting and farting about them being fascists constantly are socdems.
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 No.93266

Internet politics is the real disease. Nazbol (the leftypol meme turned unironic) only exists and can only exist online, in the realm of the virtual, the abstract, and the aesthetic.
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 No.93279

>>93242
>>92943
Are you going to stop being a faggot and explain your ideology or cope over the fact that your movement is really an art hoe project?
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 No.93283

>>92943
I’d ask her very nicely if she’d like to make half-indian babies.
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 No.93285

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 No.93287

>>93163
A ton of American Immigrants (some black, but that’s mostly irrelevant) were thrown in the GULag system as well on accusations of being saboteurs. The US isn’t horrible to Indian-Americans, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t racist.

Moreover, as far as I know, europeans are fine with black people. It’s the arabs and gypsies they loathe. Or jews, if you go far enough east.
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 No.93289

>>93186
Paetel was pretty based even compared to most ML's tbh. His ' nazcom' was basically dutch-german style council communism in one country. I think the only reason he appealed to nationalism was because it was useful in the context of the conditions in germany at that time and he was trying to recruit from soldiers and vets.
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 No.93290

>>93287
>The US isn’t horrible to Indian-Americans
lol
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 No.93300

>>93287
>(some black, but that’s mostly irrelevant)
source
>The US isn’t horrible to Indian-Americans, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t racist.
lol
>The US isn’t horrible to Indian-Americans, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t racist.
that's because there's barely any black people.
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 No.93302

>>93300 (me)

oops, replace last green text with your statement on black ppl in europe
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 No.93322

>>93287
>isn’t horrible to Indian-Americans
Lmao google image search "chereeokee" or "apache"
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 No.93390

>>92837
All right-wing ideologies are incoherent, by necessity. It's just a series of reactions and rebranding.
Nazbol is "real life is stranger than fiction"-tier shit, obviously the Nazis despised the Bolsheviks and killed them whenever possible.
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 No.93451

>>93322
South asians, not the american indians
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 No.93458

>>93075
>>93279
>Are you going to stop being a faggot and explain your ideology
OK, this is why I like Nazbol: Hot chicks (real and anime), edgy af, funny flag, dank memes.

NAZBOL IS SUPERIOR
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 No.93497

>>93458
>Hot chicks (real and anime), edgy af, funny flag, dank memes.
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 No.93523

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 No.93524

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I find myself gravitating towards this direction but I haven't read any leftist theory yet so it'll be some time before I make up my mind with regards to the matter. I'm a race realist or a scientific racist (I'm not using those terms to avoid the label "racist", only to highlight the fact that I'm a racist only in commitment to truth) and I view history fundamentally as a struggle between nations, empires, ethnicities, and at the largest scale civilizations rather than class struggle. But I also recognize capitalism produces enormous and unjustified inequality, crushes people's souls and wastes their lives and talents, is unstable, and that socialism is probably a working and liberating alternative.

So why is this just a meme ideology?
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 No.93528

>>93524
what too much idealism and 0 pussy does to a mf
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 No.93532

I'm Burger so it might be different in some other countries, but the fear of "red-brown" alliances and Nazbols and so forth among leftists you'll see on Twitter seems like projection to me. Like, "if I were a rightist, I'd be a Nazbol" as opposed to being an ancap freak or QAnon supporter. But I think that misunderstands the right.

I was listening in on this alt-right podcast in the U.S., and Richard Spencer was talking to Hunter Wallace (neo-Confederate guy) and Wallace believes the Republicans are going to become some Strasserist party and "the left" is going to flip and vote for them in 2024, and one reason is because affluent suburbanites have fled the Republicans in droves, and "the left" won't want to be in the same party as them. But I think that's a similar kind of projection because that's what he wants in the right, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen, y'know? And Spencer thought this was an absurd idea, it doesn't really work like that, parties can comprise contradictions, and if you like labor unions then the Democrats are still probably going to be better off for you than the Republicans anyways.

That's the whole problem with the political compass memes. Oh gee, the "authoritarian left" and "authoritarian right" are right next to each other!!! This is a real thing and not something I just made up!!1!1!!!

>>93266
>Internet politics is the real disease. Nazbol (the leftypol meme turned unironic) only exists and can only exist online, in the realm of the virtual, the abstract, and the aesthetic.
Well I'm interested in China which seems to have combined Marxism-Leninism with Confucianist talk about a "harmonious" society. I think the CPC obliquely refers to this as the "Sinification of Marxism." And Confucius was a conservative but my little knowledge of Confucianism is that it's big on rituals and aesthetics (including dance and music) as a form of structuring society. That would of course be very relevant for an ancient philosopher, but he had some interesting ideas about how the ideal ruler or citizen is someone who can do the rituals of the society (which are learned from the society) perfectly but also spontaneously, naturally, effortlessly.

It's like if we meet, and we shake each others hands, and the handshake goes well and is effortless, and we have a conversation, then that can be both engaging in a ritual which we learned, but also doing it spontaneously.

I dunno. It's interesting. It's like an ancient philosophy in which parts of it have been revived and synthesized into the Chinese political regime in a new unity. But it doesn't strike me as reactionary, like in the sense that women should not work or get an education. Quite the opposite there. Whereas self-described Nazbols out there online just seem like they want to live with feudal social mores + welfare.
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 No.93539

>>93528
>too much idealism

I don't get it. Are you saying race isn't real? And that people don't have natural preference for their own kind, just based on biological instinct? All that is quite material and based on biology.

Also materialism as an ontology is philosophically incoherent, but that doesn't mean what we call matter doesn't matter.
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 No.93541

> Are you saying race isn't real?
Yes. Moreover, most of the scientific community does, too.
>And that people don't have natural preference for their own kind, just based on biological instinct?
How do they know what their own kind is? How do they even define that?
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 No.93544

>>93539
what people understand by race has more to do with culture than actual biology (see americans who think they are white)
>people don't have natural preference for their own kind, just based on biological instinct?
humans determine who is their own kind based on shared cultural beliefs and material necessities not on specific genetic characteristics
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 No.93547

>>93539
>materialism as an ontology is philosophically incoherent, but that doesn't mean what we call matter doesn't matter.
you are prolly thinking about some kind of deterministic materialism (like race "realism") and not dialectical marxist materialism
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 No.93552

>>92943
Built for bbc
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 No.93553

>>93524
>I view history fundamentally as a struggle between nations, empires, ethnicities, and at the largest scale civilizations rather than class struggle
I think the difference between a lot of Marxist-Leninists and this Nazbol position is that the MLs recognize contradictions between nations, empires, and (yes) even ethnicities – contradictions exist in every thing and in every process – and this can influence the form that the class struggle takes, although the class struggle is the main motor force of history and is at the root of it. The latter, like you're describing, views these other contradictions as inherently antagonistic and class society as non-antagonistic.

But if you look at World War I, that was just millions of ordinary working people being murdered by their officers as capitalists in top hats profited from weapons sales to their respective armies. Was it irreconcilable differences between national cultures and ethnicity that led Europe to go off the cliff? Whereas Lenin (and Engels before him, writing decades earlier and predicting the war) saw it as an outcome of imperialist competition between the ruling classes of these states, but that the conflict took on national forms in a similar manner to religious conflict. His goal was to oppose this bourgeois war and convert World War I from a war between different groups of capitalists into a European-wide civil war between the working class and the ruling class, which did occur in the territory of the former Russian Empire.

That revolution in 1917 was one of the most important events in human history. It inspired hundreds of millions of people to make similar attempts in their own countries and something like half the world fell under governments guided by Marxism, at least as a method of political analysis and thought. There are more people in the world now living in countries governed by parties that claim to be communists and guided by Marxism-Leninism than in 1945 when the Soviets defeated Nazi Germany and brought socialism to Eastern Europe. The influence is remarkable.

To use another example, if you thought of… say… the Troubles in Northern Ireland as simply being about Protestants and Catholics not getting along, you wouldn't understand it. That religious element is part of the form the conflict takes, although the way I look at it, the conflict is bound up in British imperialism and the subjection of the Irish, specifically Irish Catholics, to second-class status within the empire. Which is very useful for a colonial empire to do because it's easier to justify exploiting them for their labor and resources. This is why Marxists supporting the national liberation of Ireland from British imperialism is part of the class struggle, in a sense.

I also think Kim Jong Il is saying "revolution starts at home" basically. I see as him saying that everyone and every place has a contribution to make. All countries have communities, all communities have some unique feature that makes them worth living in. And you can turn that into an engine to promote the unique strength of each place, and create a rising tide for everyone.
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 No.93562

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>>93552
go away ameriburger
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 No.93564

>>93562
Post bussy
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 No.93597

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>>93541
>Yes. Moreover, most of the scientific community does, too.
I would have to disagree anon. Genomes sequenced across the globe form clusters, because they have divergently evolved.

>How do they know what their own kind is? How do they even define that?

Well I mean, I'm not a Somalian or an Eskimo for example.

>>93544
There's obviously a cultural aspect to forming what is "kin", however it isn't limited to it. This is why racial and ethnic conflict still exist in multiracial societies.

>>93547
I believe humans have free will, but one's material constitution inclines one towards certain traits and behaviors. This is not just a racial thing of course. Also I meant all philosophies that reduce reality to matter.

>>93553
These are good points anon.
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 No.93615

>>93597
>I believe humans have free will, but one's material constitution inclines one towards certain traits and behaviors.
yes things like the forms of production of their society and their economic class not the melanine on their skin
>Also I meant all philosophies that reduce reality to matter.
this is what race realism would be if race was real
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 No.93620

>>93597
>This is why racial and ethnic conflict still exist in multiracial societies.
there is always a material conflict behind every cultural conflict for example racism in america was developed to justify slavery this means the economic base of slavery based mode of production developed a superstructure to justify it's own existence
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 No.93627

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uh, fascist bros? what about our ethnostate????
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 No.93629

>>93615
>yes things like the forms of production of their society and their economic class not the melanine on their skin
Yes but I had in mind the genes that are the blueprint for the nervous system. Nevermind race for a moment, traits like aggression, agreeableness, and intelligence are highly heritable just on an individual basis.

>this is what race realism would be if race was real

No lad. Just because I have genes that incline me to violence doesn't mean I have to act violent. But I'm more likely to than your average Joe.

>>93620
>there is always a material conflict behind every cultural conflict
This may very well be true, but when you say "racism in america was developed to justify slavery", it depends on what you mean by "racism". You can recognize your group is better on average at certain things than a group of other people, without wanting to exploit them in anyway.
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 No.93632

>>93629
>heritable
Do you know what that word means? It means correlated with genes, not genetically caused by them. Your ZIP code is also heritable.
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 No.93635

>>93597
>I would have to disagree anon. Genomes sequenced across the globe form clusters, because they have divergently evolved.
Cool, how many of them? And what regions? And how much genetic variability do they account for in humans?
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 No.93639

>>93300
Lovett Huey Fort-White
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 No.93641

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>>93632
Heritable just means acquired genetically through one's parents. You can change a ZIP code but you can't change your genetic make up (yet).

>>93635
It depends on how wide or small you want to make your taxonomic category. It's legitimate to say that the Caucasoid race is distinct from the Mongoloid race, but it's also legitimate to say that the English race are distinct from the Italian race. And these nations also have clusters within themselves. The point is though, all of them are real.
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 No.93643

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>>93597
>These are good points anon.
Thanks. I'm far from some theoretical mastermind, but I've found the basic ML concepts to click together pretty easily, like the notion that ideas and politics and beliefs arise from definitive historical and material circumstances and in turn shape / influence society; i.e. historical materialism. When humans settled down and began growing food, and used annual floods to fertilize their crops, they began praying to gods with alligator heads which they believed would help give them good floods – they didn't do that before they relied on annual floods from a river inhabited by alligators, so it stands to reason that human beings created gods than the other way around.

I think nations are like modern-day gods, that replaced the older gods when the economic base of society changed. The nation is like a god that people worship and they engage in various rituals. In the U.S., people hold their hands to their hearts and stand up when the national anthem plays before football games, and politicians regularly talk about the American nation in religious terms.

Or you could see gay pride parades and MAGA rallies as a similar thing. People who have been made to feel ashamed of who they are gather en masse at rallies and parades, and they wear costumes and wave flags around, and that makes them feel better, and then they go home and act like normal people again. Gay pride I suppose is like a post-national identity and MAGA is a national identity, either way, these things are "real" in a sense because people believe in them, even though they are socially constructed and historically contingent phenomena. A tank division after all is also socially constructed but it's still "real" and can run you over.

You didn't bring this up specifically but I'm just using it to illustrate a point that you can't make people disbelieve in these things by oppressing them, that just causes them to double down harder. And class societies can become very antagonistic, it's antagonism in all directions about every "superstructural" contradiction, since class societies cannot solve the fundamental class antagonism that exists such as between workers and owners, but can only transfer / transform / externalize them. I think the British Empire prevented socialist revolution at home for example by externalizing internal contradictions, in effect outsourcing them by creating a big empire, so it's like Britain vs. the world. That's a contradiction.

There are contradictions in every thing. There was a contradiction between imperialist countries, and also between imperialist countries and colonized countries. So, socialists and communists would seek to dialectically "negate" these contradictions – a revolution – that would create a new society in which there would be no imperialist countries and no colonized countries. You could argue that happened in China, which is why China was able to develop. They have a strong state guided by a Communist Party. Whereas in other countries, decolonization occurred, and it was no longer possible for the imperialist countries to rule in the same way, but instead you now have a kind of neocolonialism and indirect rule through international financial institutions like the IMF and World Bank. Poor countries want to develop, but they can't, because to raise the capital required, they have to take out loans which preclude the sort of state-directed, protectionist measures that China has successfully used. That leaves these countries in debt, and when there's an economic crisis, which is inevitable in capitalism, they have to go back to the IMF and World Bank to bail them out on condition of further suppressing wages, cutting state spending, etc. etc. etc. That keeps these countries poor, it keeps them producing cheap goods for export to rich countries.

So you could say there is a contradiction today between the developed Western countries and the poor countries. There is a superstructural contradiction between the West's liberal value system vs. multipolarity. The West universalizes its own value system, Western liberal ideology serves a hegemonic role and only countries that follow the Washington Consensus and obey its rules are "legitimate" and so forth. But Marxists recognized a long time ago that this is about justifying the continued exploitation of the world in a different form than the old-style direct colonialism.
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 No.93648

>>93641
What race are Indians? We have Aryan and dravidian DNA? What about Mestizos? Are they a Race?
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 No.93658

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>>93648
Every ethnicity in India will be genetically closer to each other than they are to a Japanese person. So yeah, you could simply take Indians as a single race, but you can also divide India itself along genetic clusters. Just like how you can take every single square on this palate as a color unto itself, or you can form broader categories like blue, orange, etc. Yes, you can talk about a Mestizo race if you want.
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 No.93694

>>93627
There is an Italian fascist song about an Ethiopian girl who moves to Italy and becomes a fascist
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 No.93700

>>93641
This is hilarious, another retard going against the genetic fact that race is a pseudohistorical construct
you easily manipulated idiot, go speak to an actual geneticist
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 No.93713

File: 1614240854675.webm (3.35 MB, 710x400, Watson on the racial IQ d….webm)

>>93700
>the genetic fact that race is a pseudohistorical construct

So if this "genetic fact" has convinced you that "race is a pseudohistorical construct" why don't you be so kind as to share it?
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 No.93733

>>93713
Yo, jukebox, can you cite a single prominent geneticist apart from (the living corpse of) Watson that supports your notion of folk races?
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 No.93742

File: 1614245355584.jpg (342.94 KB, 1158x1600, The five races of Mankind,….jpg)

>>93733
Well, I can, and I can probably find a lot more if I just did some research, but ultimately we don't need the mouthpiece of authority telling us what's false and true. They can inform us come to the correct conclusion but it's our mind that must ultimately discern. Experts are human just like us and they have biases, herdishness, and sometimes even bad faith. Just one though, because you asked: A. W. F. Edwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._W._F._Edwards

>In a 2003 paper, Edwards criticised Richard Lewontin's argument in a 1972 paper that race is an invalid taxonomic construct, terming it Lewontin's fallacy.


So because we can judge the truth of things for ourselves, here's a study that has found near perfect correspondence between self-identified folk races and definite genetic clusters:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707625786

>Subjects identified themselves as belonging to one of four major racial/ethnic groups (white, African American, East Asian, and Hispanic) and were recruited from 15 different geographic locales within the United States and Taiwan. Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed near-perfect correspondence with the four self-reported race/ethnicity categories. Of 3,636 subjects of varying race/ethnicity, only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-identified race/ethnicity. On the other hand, we detected only modest genetic differentiation between different current geographic locales within each race/ethnicity group. Thus, ancient geographic ancestry, which is highly correlated with self-identified race/ethnicity—as opposed to current residence—is the major determinant of genetic structure in the U.S. population. Implications of this genetic structure for case-control association studies are discussed.
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 No.93743

In my opinion it seems like nazbol or just something akin to stupidpol types of social conservatism is mostly either out of contrarianism against the legitimately cancerous twitter-left activism that was in vogue for a long while. It might also just be the result of some /pol/fag realizing that the right has no real intention of giving his poorfag ass anything and so he turns over towards communism or at least somewhat more left-wing ideology to better represent his own class interest. Another angle is that there might just be 4chan types that hang out with other 4chan types on discord and nazbol is a way for them to be able to hang out with their right-wing friends online while still mostly having left-wing or at least left-sympathetic tendencies.
In fact I think that a lot of people on 4chan probably have more left-wing tendencies than they would care to admit, they just get mad because they are conditioned to think hating black people or trannies is cool and they don't want to lose their friendgroups.
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 No.93754

>>93742
What is your response to this? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6612983/

>Tang et al reported in 2005 comparison of genetic data from over 3,500 individuals who identified themselves as belonging to one of the major racial or ethnic groups in US (Caucasian, Black, Asian, and Hispanic) and showed near-perfect correspondence of genetic analysis with self-reported categories. However, another review examined self-reported race in 2015 in clinical settings, and its accuracy compared to genomic analysis of ancestry. This review found that the practice of self-reported race could be leading to a large number of false positives or false negatives due to its inaccuracy in capturing an individual’s genetic ancestry.


The paper in question: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40246-014-0023-x

>Several studies including ours showed that genetic diversity in humans is higher between individuals of the same race (~85%) than between races (~15%)

>A good example is the wide variation observed in two African populations. The prevalence of HLA-B*5701 variant in the Masai group in Kenya is 13.6%; the frequency of the same allele was zero among the Yoruba in Nigeria and 5.8% among European ancestry.
>These observations reveal characterization of races simply as “White” or “Caucasian”, “Asian”, “African”, or “Latino” which are poor predictors of human biological diversity or similarity.
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 No.93757

>>93743
>leftism is when blacks and trannies
garbage take, lib.
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 No.93759

>>93742
>Well, I can, and I can probably find a lot more if I just did some research, but ultimately we don't need the mouthpiece of authority telling us what's false and true.
It sounds to me like you've settled on a belief system and then have hunted around for "science" to prove it. I mean, I hate to say it, but it's starting to sound a little bit like ideology.
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 No.93760

>>93757
If you think hating black people or trans people is what leftism is about, then I am not a leftist.
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 No.93764

>>93760
>this reversal
What the fuck else would I expect from a lib? You are legitimately retarded.
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 No.93774

>>93757
Nah. I'm not talking about that shit, I was just saying that I don't really think social conservatism (or libertinness) is a very serious issue with most people outside of a few people who get on everyone's ass for not following their autistic cultural norms.
So basically imagine being some 4chanfag on discord, and all of your friends are right-wing but you have some degree of consciousness over your class and so you want free healthcare but you just want it to be for white people or whatever. Those people still think you're a fool because you're not a turbo-capitalist or whatever the fuck but they will leave you alone and not call you a faggot and you will keep your position within that right-wing online friend group.
That's what I"m talking about. Nazbol is an online meme ideology, I just went into more detail than necessary to explain why people would identify with nazbol.
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 No.93779

>>93754
>What is your response to this?

That is the Lewontin's Fallacy referred to in my post here >>93742 I picked Edwards purposefully because I knew this discussion would go to Lewontin eventually and I thought this >>93700 anon had Lewontin in mind when he wrote his post. It's a fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy

>>93759
I'm sorry but that is terribly retarded and I'm beginning to suspect you're a retard. By your """"""logic"""""" Copernicus should have just burned his studies because the "experts" of his time didn't approve of his message, so it would have just been "ideology". Also, let me ask again, what is your "genetic fact" that proves that race is a social construct?
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 No.93780

>>93764
>it's only ok when i shit on muh trannies muh niggers
retarded faggot needs to kill itself
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 No.93784

>>93754
Oh sorry I thought your first link was just quoting me, I'll take a look. The second link is Lewontin's Fallacy.
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 No.93785

>>93780
I take offense to that, I have nothing against blacks. now Dilate.
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 No.93788

>>93779
I'm sorry, but could you explain in more detail why the papers I specifically mentioned are an example of Lewontin's fallacy? I don't have much expertise in genetics. In particular, can you provides some quotes in the study that you believe to be fallacious, and explain why?
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 No.93853

File: 1614253037213.png (74.47 KB, 1180x1150, race genetic distance.png)

>>93788
The first link just says how different countries have sub-divided the three major racial categories, White, Asian, and Black into smaller categories in different ways, and how the frequency of specific alleles varies widely within those categories.

The second link similarly just looks for frequency variation for a single allele, and reports how it varies widely. But "These observations reveal characterization of races simply as “White” or “Caucasian”, “Asian”, “African”, or “Latino” which are poor predictors of human biological diversity or similarity." does not follow from their findings because if you scan several loci at the same time for alleles, then they begin clustering across populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy

>Edwards argued that while Lewontin's statements on variability are correct when examining the frequency of different alleles (variants of a particular gene) at an individual locus (the location of a particular gene) between individuals, it is nonetheless possible to classify individuals into different racial groups with an accuracy that approaches 100 percent when one takes into account the frequency of the alleles at several loci at the same time. This happens because differences in the frequency of alleles at different loci are correlated across populations—the alleles that are more frequent in a population at two or more loci are correlated when we consider the two populations simultaneously. Or in other words, the frequency of the alleles tends to cluster differently for different populations.


This is why an ethnically Irish man taking one of those commercial genetic tests won't come back "95% Sub-Saharan African".
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 No.93872

I just want to tell every retard who comes here and whines about race that the nazbols neither in Russia nor in Germany cared much about race.

You are fake and gay american cocksuckers.
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 No.93891

>>93764
If I'm a liberal, then I'm a liberal who will shove your ass in a labor camp for what you just said.
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 No.93905

File: 1614256439528.mp4 (14.55 MB, 640x360, chinese_drill.mp4)

By threatening to throw you in a labor camp, I'm just trying to illustrate something, which is if you're an anti-woke leftist or against political correctness, and then you start dabbling in "conservative" or "authoritarian" politics and traditions, then by your own logic we could lock the racists in prison for disrupting the social order.

"Freedom of speech?" Liberal construct. Get rid of it. Chauvinism? That's now illegal.

Now, various radicals and dissidents of left and right tend to understand at some level that capitalism and modernity is always breaking the myths of origin, even though capitalism also needs myths of origin understood through tradition to support itself. So there is a fight between the bourgeoisie, the romantics (the conservatives) and the revolutionary romantics (fascists) over tradition. One of arguments Paul Tillich made was that socialism should also support itself through unbroken myths of origin by what eventually becomes his method of correlation (which is this applied to Christian theology).

"Between the origin and the present stands tradition."

Anyway it'll super interesting to see another tradition reaching the conclusion they should do that.
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 No.93906

>>93853
Can you answer the criticisms in the wiki article too, specifically that of Witherspoon et al
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 No.93911

>>93853
>This is why an ethnically Irish man taking one of those commercial genetic tests won't come back "95% Sub-Saharan African".

Actually they have databases of genetic make up
although it is likely for some populations for the dna tests to be competely wrong
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 No.93919

>>93853
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/
The guy who you responded to was correct btw
"The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin is compatible with the observation that most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them. It is also compatible with our finding that, even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population. Thus, caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes."
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 No.93923

>>93906
Well basically, this fact:

>The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin is compatible with the observation that most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them. It is also compatible with our finding that, even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population.


Doesn't negate this fact:

>Witherspoon et al. attempt to answer the question, "How often is a pair of individuals from one population genetically more dissimilar than two individuals chosen from two different populations?".

>When they analysed three geographically distinct populations (European, African and East Asian) and measured genetic similarity over many thousands of loci, the answer to their question was "never".

So race remains a meaningful taxonomic distinction.
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 No.93937

>>93911
As sample size grows from all populations that shouldn't be a problem.

>>93919
>The guy who you responded to was correct btw

About what?
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 No.94059

ITT one anon explains basic concepts while /leftypol/ repeats arguments which were already debunked 50 years ago to rationalize their shitty ideology

"scientific socialism" lol
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 No.94067

>>94059
>ITT
>one anon and his fellow /pol/ack sucking each other off over fake retarded shit while leftypol entertaining this retardation yet again, taking the bait and platforming far right identity politics to have a "good faith discussion" with schizophrenic retards
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 No.94130

>>93627
yeah facism is not really racist tbh
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 No.94134

File: 1614266521376.jpg (246.83 KB, 705x527, 1555864418392.jpg)

>>93658
>you can talk about a mestizo race
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 No.94137

>>94130
It doesn't have to be, correct, but it still adopts the most reactionary elements of the bourgeoisie.

Fascism is the open terrorism of the most reactionary elements of the bourgeoisie backed by finance capital
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 No.94139

>>92837
Can someone please explain to me what this meme ideology is? Some kind of fascist communism? wtf does that even mean
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 No.94141

>>92837
Can someone please explain to me what this meme ideology is? Some kind of fascist communism? wtf does that even mean>>94139
Or maybe I could just read the thread rather than asking the same question as OP :^)
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 No.94155

>>94141
'socialism works but only in white ethno-states without jews'
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 No.94179

>>93923
Also from Witherspoon et al

>However, measuring similarity using smaller numbers of loci yielded substantial overlap between these populations. Rates of between-population similarity also increased when geographically intermediate and admixed populations were included in the analysis.[17]


Witherspoon et al. conclude that,

>”Since an individual's geographic ancestry can often be inferred from his or her genetic makeup, knowledge of one's population of origin should allow some inferences about individual genotypes. To the extent that phenotypically important genetic variation resembles the variation studied here, we may extrapolate from genotypic to phenotypic patterns. […] However, the typical frequencies of alleles responsible for common complex diseases remain unknown. The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin is compatible with the observation that most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them. It is also compatible with our finding that, even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population. Thus, caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes",[17]

and warn that, "A final complication arises when racial classifications are used as proxies for geographic ancestry. Although many concepts of race are correlated with geographic ancestry, the two are not interchangeable, and relying on racial classifications will reduce predictive power still further."

You need to be anally re-educated.
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 No.94289

>>93923
>So race remains a meaningful taxonomic distinction.
Meaningful in what sense? Perhaps an anti-realist position is unsupported by the evidence so far, but can't the same be said for the opposite as well? What explanatory power does a social constructivist view of race lose?
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 No.95408

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>>94067
>it's retarded because it runs contrary to my programming. JUST STOP!

>>94179
>The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin

This is the fundamental point. He goes on to say geographic ancestry is not the same thing as a racial classification but that they are correlated. But he doesn't say there are no identifiable and distinct clusters of genes or that racial categories are meaningless. Of course there wouldn't be a one to one correspondence between racial classification and geographic ancestry. Individuals may have been classified as "white", but their genomes will vary widely depending on where they actually are from, and they may even have non-European origins and just look white. I don't see why my sphincter should be strained, perhaps yours should.

>>94289
>but can't the same be said for the opposite as well?

I don't think so, for all the reasons I've mentioned in this thread.

>What explanatory power does a social constructivist view of race lose?


It can't explain why, even when socioeconomic factors are controlled for, there is disparities in IQ, crime, academic performance etc.
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 No.95681

>>92837
>Does any Nazbol have a more or less unified theory on how human society develops (like Marxism)?

Implying Marxism has ever had a unified theory on how human society develops.

For all the triumphalism on how much Marx supposedly got so much right, Marxists never seem to be able to get their ideas off the ground. They've failed to produce any results for the past 40+ years. They can't even explain the failure of their ideology or the presence of other ideologies besides their own narcissism, like Nazbol or Trumpism.
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 No.95688

>>95681
>Implying Marxism has ever had a unified theory on how human society develops.
In general, yes.
>They can't even explain the failure of their ideology or the presence of other ideologies besides their own narcissism, like Nazbol or Trumpism.
But multiple Marxist have.
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 No.95717

What is all this slander above? Nazbol gang stans Mugabe
Gang bang gang
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 No.95766

>>95408
>retarded /pol/ack gets called out for being a retarded /pol/ack
>spergs out with /pol/ memes
>is the predictable NPC it accuses others of being
stop taking red pills and get your prescription you schizophrenic retarded faggot
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 No.95772

also nice job, modfags, creating again breeding ground for /pol/acks
you don't even bother sending this one to /idpol/, or /b/ as you cover it up as
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 No.95803

File: 1614332869604.jpg (64.98 KB, 400x505, eat shit.jpg)

>>95766
Yeah, I'm the one sperging out. Come down retard.

>>95772
>SHUUUUT IT DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!

Pathetic.
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 No.95840

>>95408
>when socioeconomic factors are controlled for, there is disparities in IQ, crime, academic performance etc.
Proof?
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 No.95845

>>95840
Probably all burger studies that don't control for extended familial wealth etc

There are plenty of subsaharan countries with lower violence rates than the United States
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 No.95982

File: 1614345373463.jpg (37.6 KB, 698x713, 83c8b9850a6d4781311b449f3c….jpg)

Oh my fucking god, you people don't learn do you? When will you retards stop taking the bait and learn not to entertain pseudoscientific /pol/fags' musings?
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 No.96007

>>95855
I too can copy-paste sourceless collages of charts and tables as a gish gallop.
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 No.96027

File: 1614351087206.jpg (17.25 KB, 720x463, ecd4e5ef4b630fabd8c0677d97….jpg)

>>95855
>posts correlations to prove causation
Every. Fucking. Time.
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 No.96030

>>95855
Honestly the second picture really just shows a correlation between race and poverty which is real in the U.S.
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 No.96032

>>95855
>pic 2
>race is a more accurate predictor than income
>includes stats directly related to poverty
Are you retarded?
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 No.96062

>>93163
>Anti-Semitism was never been illegal in soviet Union.Many Jews defected to isreal Like a georgian radio host who mocked breznev.
>Neverless black immigration doesnt matter even Nazi germany had Black minorities who served in military there is a famous black man named hans massquoi.
>All countries have ethnic groups that doesnt matter.
>Nazi germany did spoke against the American racism the imperial japan used to shill propaganda that americans were doing race war.
IQ 60 moment-
>>every other socialist state was non-white.
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 No.96068

>>96062
>hans massquoi
The guy was a kid and banned from all social clubs ,the only good experiance he had was a ss officer saying he will send him to africa to train black slaves
>Black minorities who served in military
You mean in a specific arab legion? I guess racism never existed in any country that had units of different race(including america)
>All countries have ethnic groups that doesnt matter
Ussr treated them better than most others
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 No.96091

>>95855
I was hoping for a couple links to scientific journals. Where did you get these infographics? Did you read their sources, can you quote them?
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 No.96100

>>96091
The entire bottom right corner is from the bell curve, if that informs you on its quality.

/pol/yp gish gallops are just there for them to spam at people and for retards who get mesmerized by the pretty pictures. They’re by no means even substantial of an argument. They require both sides to have no idea about what the pictures mean.

There’s one talking about biodiversity in animals like chimps compared to humans, for example, and it’s just wrong.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2012-03-02-chimps-show-much-greater-genetic-diversity-humans
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 No.96133

>>92837
>shills arrive
>nazbol meme ideology is bumped
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 No.96245

>>95688
>But multiple Marxist have.
Really? Who? Which Marxist here has bothered to explain why the world keeps turning without their retarded ideologies, why they've failed to make any significant traction in the past 40 years while complete meme ideologies like Trumpism has had vastly more impact on the real world than their theoretical sterility?
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 No.96251

>>96245
Who is president of a backwater shithole isn't that world shattering m8
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 No.96272

File: 1614366537016.jpg (120.21 KB, 888x640, 5211fb50aa07bdd191096dabb8….jpg)

Nazbol is a meme ideology. And if you call yourself nazbol unironically then you are fucking retard just like any maoist-thirdworldist-peepeepooist or anarcho-anythingist.
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 No.96296

>>96245
Marxism is primarily an analysis of how things operate, particularly that of the mechanisms of capitalism. Of course the world keeps turning despite the failure of revolution in a certain span of time, none of that discounts Marx or his conclusions, and simple petty bourg liberalism doesn't change that simply because it is currently relevant. 40 years is a drop in the bucket, and I don't see how the existence of other ideologies somehow invalidates Marxism, when Marx is as relevant as ever. It's simply a question of if the left can pick up the piece in the age of reaction, and when.
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 No.96318

>>96245
>American forgets China exists.
>American doesn't know about the quality of life advances in the hands of marxists around the entire world
What the fuck are they putting in the water over there.
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 No.96708

File: 1614398552745-0.jpg (56.96 KB, 420x420, 1349064514559.jpg)

File: 1614398552745-1.jpg (91.38 KB, 900x593, Marx on the jewish nigger ….jpg)

File: 1614398552745-2.jpg (35.71 KB, 813x215, Engels lulz.jpg)

>>95982
Yeah it's so pseudoscientific that it needs to be censored rather than ridiculed.

>>96007
>sourceless
They were ALL sourced, are you blind?

>>96027
Dumb cop-out. Correlation does not mean causation, correct. But the correlation between lung cancer and smoking is, for example, indicative of a causal relationship. Likewise with what I've posted, if I was able to freely talk here I would tell you why.

>>96030
There is a correlation between race and poverty but the picture isn't showing that, and it isn't about that.

>>96032
The point is, economic standing does not correlate as much with crime as race.

>>96091
Sorry anon, I don't have studies saved at hand to reference on demand. The studies on the infograph are real though, and can be found with a Google search.

Anyways I'm off. I don't know what being anti-racist has to do with being anti-capitalist, but clearly this line of thinking dominates amongst you for whatever reason, resting on false information and faulty logic.
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 No.96711

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>>96708
> I don't know what being anti-racist has to do with being anti-capitalist, but clearly this line of thinking dominates amongst you for whatever reason, resting on false information and faulty logic.
Because eventually you have to choose.
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 No.96717

>>96708
>Sorry anon, I don't have studies saved at hand to reference on demand. The studies on the infograph are real though, and can be found with a Google search.
That's not just what I asked, I asked if you read the sources. I didn't ask if you got the infographics from Google and frankly if you actually did, then why should I trust them at all?
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 No.96744

>>96708
>Yeah it's so pseudoscientific that it needs to be censored rather than ridiculed.
Do you think the North Koreans allow white supremacist propaganda to be distributed in their country denigrating and insulting their people and calling them inferior? Lol…

>>96708
>Anyways I'm off.
Translation: I'm a bitch with an Anglo cuck brain and I can't handle this!!!
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 No.96752

>>96708
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, you sissy cuck.
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 No.96754

>>96272
Одобряю, нахрен
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 No.96766

>>96711
>pic
The Nazbols also agree with liberals and leftcoms that DPRK is a fascist ethnostate.

In all 3 cases, it's Orientalism in service of a political agenda.
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 No.96888

File: 1614430489492.mp4 (2.98 MB, 800x600, 5834598748795.mp4)

>>96886
I don't give a fuck about his sources because he's a bitch like you.
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 No.96898

>>96891
>>96886
The fact that the conversation around race slowly reduce to geographic proximity shows how pointless the whole thing is.
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 No.96899

>>96891
>he
Yes, you are.
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 No.96900

>>96891
Might as well call horoscopy "science".
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 No.96901

>>96891
I'm not a scientist. I just reject any claims that try to rationalize the enslavement and domination of human beings because they're "lesser races." People like that don't deserve to be reasoned with or argued with. I don't trust in "arguments" let alone "reason."
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 No.96903

>>96902
Are you a biologist yourself by any chance?
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 No.96907

>>96902
I have science that proves you deserve to be my bitch
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 No.96910

File: 1614433650574.mp4 (2.34 MB, 640x360, experts.mp4)

>>96908
>muh experts
>muh science
>muh enlightenment
I think you're projecting your liberalism onto me. Nazbols and liberals and leftcoms all in the same bed. Some white British scientists from a few decades ago proved that… they deserve to rule the world. The rest of the world disagrees.

But that's typical of experts. They're motivated, sis. They're human and have biases, whether conscious or unconscious. They might even be British people.
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 No.96911

File: 1614433884844.png (Spoiler Image, 1.29 MB, 2500x1921, f772c142944cf393187a8ef2b9….png)

>>96908
>blacked.com
>on a /pol/yp meem
Someone bring out all the screenshots
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 No.96919

>>96916
your people spend all their time not spent shitposting, crying and jacking off to BBC porn.
there is a copious amount of evidence to proof it.
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 No.96921

>>96919
>there is a copious amount of evidence to proof it.
Papers trying to prove that geographic proximity informs genetics are hardly evidence for the existence of race.
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 No.96923

File: 1614435284893.gif (4.4 MB, 413x273, berneydidnotread.gif)

>>96916
I didn't read the papers
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 No.96924

>>96921
True
>>96920
>This thread proves the exact opposite.
How does this thread prove you don't jack it to BBC porn and cry? You don't understand how evidence works, you don't understand how anything works.
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 No.96926

File: 1614435480543.jpg (41.31 KB, 680x834, 0721ad65e03c124742d616f213….jpg)

>>96924
>Provides correlations at best
>Thinks it proves causation
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 No.96941

>/leftypol/ get's challenged on scientific grouns
Best counterarguments:
>"That's biased pseudoscience"
>"I'm not a scientist"
>"I didn't read the paper"
>"Here is my BBC folder"
<shit…our ego is beginning to collapse
>brave tranny mod steps in
>"banned for idpol ;_;"

Truly pathetic.
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 No.96947

File: 1614437290582.jpg (43.93 KB, 600x600, 1515165.jpg)

>>96941
>Race realist keep posting papers that don't prove his conclusions
>Err actually correlations proves causation but I won't explain how
>edgelord comes in to claim victory and hurl insults
Stay mad.
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 No.96949

>>96941
Nobody cares about you and your cuck porn's backstory besides other resident weirdos who respond to every morsel of shit that gets wafted under their noses
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 No.96955

>faggot reads this
>he isn't even concerned
>he still has his trump card
>"heh…did you know that…CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION"
>wisdom never seen before
>NASA hires him on the spot
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 No.96956

>>96955
Considering that NASA would appreciate how logic works, I am sure that they would do that.
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 No.96997

>>96891
Can’t debunk it? I don’t even think the fellow in question understands why the collage of graphs and charts he’s chosen even would putatively prove the point he thinks he’s making.

If you can’t provide even a mechanism for how race affects the domains you state it does, or at best you can say “certain ancestral genetic markers correlate with geography”, then what does it matter?
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 No.97096

File: 1614444318558.png (210.26 KB, 640x361, look_at_this_infograph.png)

>this thread
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 No.97105

>>97096
why does he have a jewfro
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 No.97107

>>97105
OC maker decided to use the black brush on Nickelback's face
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 No.97668

Fake nazbol racist OP, just watch this:
https://youtu.be/pfjCVOE7l2Y

You've been lied to by /pol/.
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 No.97678

>>97668
This one is also related, from the same channel: https://youtu.be/DajYEwzBGcU
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 No.97719

File: 1614465656088.png (77.92 KB, 512x300, 1601734868679.png)

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 No.104015

File: 1614831042024-0.png (91.66 KB, 400x130, unknown.png)

File: 1614831042024-1.png (33.6 KB, 400x165, NickCage.png)

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 No.104016

>>97668
The virgin Amerifat chud vs the Chad Iraqi Medic
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 No.104100

Internet leftism is just so retarded that everyone gets labelled a nazbol
pro-life? nazbol
critical of trans ideology? nazbol
critical support for russia? nazbol
online it's just a meme, and I think in real life it's just some irrelevant russian political party or something with a funny logo
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 No.104103

>>104100
>irrelevant
and b& iirc, at least in russia
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 No.104119

>>104100
It was more of a punk rock counter culture movement than an actual political party
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 No.104124

>>104100
Russian nazbols are just libs.
also, what is trans ideology as opposed to trans rights?
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 No.104149

/b/ perhaps should be renamed to /siberia/.
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 No.104150

File: 1614851930576-0.png (400.54 KB, 700x466, 57349758437598437985345.png)

File: 1614851930576-1.jpg (197.18 KB, 1242x1222, EuHxSprXIAA7nYS.jpg)

File: 1614851930576-2.jpg (74.67 KB, 600x741, EoW1Nw0W8AUbtgL.jpg)

Reject National-Bolshevism, embrace Gothic 2036 Red Catholic Battle Sister Left-Bonapartism
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 No.104170

It's a meme simply because you need porky's bucks to fund a fascist death squad, and what porky is financing fashies that are going to hang them as well?
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 No.104932

>>104134
i'd sniff her farts
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 No.104934

File: 1614910073869.jpg (120.21 KB, 888x640, 5211fb50aa07bdd191096dabb8….jpg)

>>104134
>nazbol with extra steps
Just be a nazi already, the socialist in NSDAP should suffice you.
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 No.104940

File: 1614910851347.png (134.08 KB, 458x458, 4ec52bd2c878743388924b8c95….png)

>>104932
ew dude, they would probably smell like shit!
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 No.104946

>>104940
lol'd irl
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 No.104996

File: 1614915434761.png (110.95 KB, 740x879, a0f7143dec7d2624bfe104961b….png)

>>104994
>You are a retard
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 No.105002

File: 1614915814748.jpeg (26.4 KB, 512x384, facepalm.jpeg)

>>104999
At least use a relevant image instead of choosing a screencap of a movie, downy
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 No.105021

>>105012
Go ahead and explain it yourself then, don't pussyfoot like a little bitch, "comrade"
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 No.105026

>>105021
It's originally from an anti-transphobia ad I think
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 No.105033

>>105026
How is it relevant to this discussion? Is it supposed to insinuate that I'm a transgender? Pretty sus.
>>105027
>underage nazbol tier faggot says "lurk moar"
Yeah sure if it allows me to banhammer your ass back to nubunkerchan.
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 No.105042

>>105033
>Is it supposed to insinuate that I'm a transgender?
Yep. Trans live in rightoid's heads rent free which is why they always bring them up for no reason lol
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 No.105046

File: 1614917760753.png (359.55 KB, 1170x814, poljak not obsessed.png)

>>105042
Yeah, Maybe some trans person has held "left communist" retard anon hostage and that's why he's consistently thinking about "trannies" 24/7, schizobabbling everywhere he goes with the T word. It's embarrassing to see.
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 No.105053

>>105046
There was this guy on bunkerchan who constantly ranted about trannies but also admitted he had a cross dressing fetish before. I think it's some kind of insecurity
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 No.105063

>>105046
It's probably the same leftcom in the COVID thread who admitted to having a findom fetish
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 No.105079

File: 1614919067973.png (153.12 KB, 784x409, left fauxcom findom cuck.PNG)

>>105063
Oh shit it's real kek. What a cuckold faggot trying to make his findom cuck self feel better by shitting on transgenders. Imagine being so mentally retarded that you get off from people cucking you by taking your mere currency.
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 No.105082

>>105080
I'm also a Chinese findom mistress give me money pls
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 No.105088

>>105080
no but being a piece of shit leech to your significant other is
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 No.105102

>>105092
Uh oh. Slow down there. Your findom mommy wouldn't like that. You're the sub, remember? Cutting her off would make mommy very angry.
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 No.105105

>>104134
I want to make brown babies with her.
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 No.105109

>>105106
heal yourself
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 No.105111

>>105106
Hold up, what the actual fuck is going on with your love life? Is everything okay, Leftcom Anon?
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 No.105115

>>105111
He must also be having transgender derangement syndrome, all symptoms of an unfulfilled life.
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 No.105118

>>105117
That was supposed to mean obsessive derangement against transgenders. Don't act dumb and sarcastic transphobe
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 No.105120

>>105116
Are you having trouble with your gf and/or mistress? Are you in an okay headspace?
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 No.105139

>>105123
>still pretending to be retarded
We all know you're retarded and can't have reading comprehension, keep punching the walls out of anger over transgenders, little boy
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 No.105151

>>105149
Nobody asked you to share your self applied directions
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 No.105160

>>105149
That’s what you should do after punching walls while seething about trans people.
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 No.105163

>>105159
Keep referring to your self applied directions and pat yourself on the back boy, your girlfriend would be proud of you
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 No.105169

>>105092
iirc you needed her cause her mom pays a sizeable portion of your rent
>>105106
then do it
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 No.105171

>>105067
Regardless of what your view of either is, they are not at all a similar thing. Being an incel is adopting a certain outlook on sexual relationships, being a trans person is just wanting to present yourself as a certain socially prescribed gender.
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 No.105172

File: 1614922312493.jpg (8.71 KB, 250x188, ORE_WA.jpg)

>>105165
While you're having a schizophrenic episode on tasting text strings, I can taste your girlfriends butt pretty good, a shame she doesn't have a real man.
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 No.105181

Also, wtf did leftcom anon mean by "traditionalist" when he's talking about paying money to a chinese mistress to get his rocks off and wants to leave his girlfriend because he dislikes providing. What does "traditionalist" even mean here?
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 No.105184

>>105181
His retarded reactionary brain is short circuiting, typical with all chuds
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 No.105192

Feed me another (You)
>>105181
>>105184
>Having a lover outside of a relationship is some new millenium shit
Lmao
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 No.105193

>>105192
Muh flag
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 No.105200

>>105192
>Having a lover outside of a relationship is some new millenium shit
I don't think discord findom mistresses were what most traditionalists had in mind for what entailed a functioning traditionalist society, and this is coming from someone who used to be quite traditionalist.
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 No.105201

File: 1614923112280.png (780 B, 15x16, left_communism.png)

>>105193
>muh flag
I got your flag boy
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 No.105209

>>105207
Yeah no problem boy, Your girlfriend's pussy is pretty tight, however she noted that you schizobabble about transgenders during your sleep. Not a good look, I don't blame her for wanting to find a man.
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 No.105213

>>105206
>You should read more, back in the days before internet romantic pen pals used to be extremely common.
I am aware, I'm just saying that traditionalism as a concept is very different then what actually existed in the past. Traditionalism is based on a return to what is perceived as encapsulating traditional values, not necessarily what actually wholly existed in the past. Not condoning that of course, its completely retarded, but just clarifiying how the term is generally used by self-described "traditionalists".
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 No.105219

>>105215
>t. transphobe that shits the board by posting reactionary shit
No need to act like a victim, you deserve any flaming for being a cancer on the internet.
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 No.105220

>>105215
NTA, but this is a shit thread to begin with, and you've rarely made a post outside of this thread that couldn't also be considered shitting up the board.
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 No.105232

>>105222
>While that is true, traditionalist doesn't mean social values only
It places those values first and foremost as opposed to a return to the reality that actually existed. To a traditionalist, the values exist outside of the conditions they resided in, and the society they see as encapsulating these values is kept in its wholly idealized form, removed from the actual reality of the situation.
>I'm a terf not a transphobe tbh
You can't be a TERF and a traditionalist. If anything, some of the rationalization behind some transgender outlooks can be more traditionalist in framework, save for those TERFs who embrace an essentialist outlook.
>>105223
Stating "embrace Traditionalist Left-wing Communism" is arguably a shitpost. If not, then it's just retarded, and you really don't have much a leg to stand on when calling others retarded.
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 No.105255

>>105237
>I disagree, traditionalism is the idea of mantaining a tradition, but that can be in a general sense, not in a totalitarian one.
No, that's not what traditionalism is. Observing a tradition, and being a traditionalist, are not the same thing in the slightest, similar to how having a nation and being a nationalist are not the same thing as well.
>I don't want to have all trans killed, however I value cis gender expressions a lot more on the basis that they are thw direct expression of our specie essence.
This makes no sense. Species essence has to do with creative labour, not gender. More over, if you were a non-essentialist TERF, you would be inclined more towards the abolition of the concept of gender as opposed to the reification of it. Again, some trans outlooks are a better reinforcement of cis gender expressions then what you are defending, because they operate on the established view of what a "man" or a "woman" is in society gender wise.
>Yet the resident trannie is having a fucking meltdown over it lol
So was it a shitpost, or serious? If it's a shitpost, then you started off with it. If it's not, then you are just making a retarded statment that no one can be blamed for taking issue with.
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 No.105309

File: 1614931692936.mp4 (12.59 MB, 640x360, pla_traditions.mp4)

>>105277
>Traditionalism isn't inherently right wing, conservative, reactionary, etc.
I'm a different anon, and I agree with you here, traditions are a thing in all societies and political systems (just see the importance of the U.S. presidential inauguration and Trump's insult to it). I see traditions as ritual behavior, and these ritual behaviors exist in systems either centrally or in part with varying intensity. They're repeated patterns of activity and pledges and oaths that give order and structure to society, political movements, etc. and give people meaning.

Capitalism / modernity is also always breaking myths of origin. But capitalism also needs myths of origin understood through tradition to support itself. So there is a fight between the between the bourgeoisie, the romantics (the conservatives) and the revolutionary romantics (fascists) over tradition. One of arguments Paul Tillich made was that socialism should also support itself through unbroken myths of origin, and I agree with that.

Now, can we think of any socialist countries doing that today?

>>105277

>I do not value trans people contributions to left-wing politics if they do not observe the traditionalist point of view left-wing politics have always had, specially since there are multiple instances where it has been shown that big capitalist are sponsoring them in order to sabotage left-wing efforts
I think you have the order backwards here though. I think left-wing politics in western countries and particularly the U.S. shifting into "new social movements" in the 1960s emerged from the failure of class politics, that the left shifted in this way to keep a radical tradition alive, since the radicalism had gone out of class politics. One thing that bothers me about "the bourgeois liberals are co-opting identity politics" line is that they are perfectly capable of doing it with class politics too – and the Democrats totally did that well before the 1960s – by offering benefits to some, with privileged workers qua workers seeking separate deals, inflected by regressive views on race and gender, not some progressive-sounding over-emphasis on identity. Class politics is not some core or indivisible remainder which is indigestible, to believe otherwise is false and dangerous. I strongly support identity politics against the neo-revisionist "class is at the center" discourse promoted by professional reformists.

And to piss of the maximum number of people possible, I think a large share of what the West generally considers important history and culture will be washed away by the ascendancy of colonized peoples and reckoning with this honestly and fairly is the central political question, not the welfare state or developmentalism.
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 No.105315

>>105277
>Yes it does, observing a tradition means you are a traditionalist, stop trying to change the meaning of words, the left wing of politics is traditionally focused on class and economics
No, it does not. This is a retarded conception of traditionalism, which operates as both a political framework and school of thought. If this was the case, nearly everyone would be a tradionalist, even most trans people. This is like saying that driving a car makes you a car enthusiast, or that eating vegetables makes you a vegan. It's a thought process that could only be conceptualized by the most inept and lead headed.
>Yes and? I am not separating trans people from the results of their labour, what is the resulting labour of trans-people and liberals in the realm of political economy and critical theory again? It's the same third way, class collaborative, socially democratic capitalism with a human face that sabotages the proletariat struggle. It adds absolutely nothing of value to the proletariat struggle as a whole.
Did you not understand at all what I stated? Species essence has to do with humans as a species and our ability to engage in creative labour. That is it. It has nothing to do with prescribing an essentialist outlook on certain group of people, or correlating those groups of people with political ideologies. It as absurd as taking any particular group, from ethnic to ones sex, and stating that as a whole their contributions have been entirely that of a certain polical persuasion. If there were trans people pursuing a political framework I disagreed with, I would state that those trans people are pursuing such a framework. I would not state that such a framework was inherent to trans people, or that trans people inherently pursue such things. That would be wholly essentialist, and against any proper marxist outlook.
>I do not value trans people contributions to left-wing politics if they do not observe the traditionalist point of view left-wing politics have always had, specially since there are multiple instances where it has been shown that big capitalist are sponsoring them in order to sabotage left-wing efforts
This is utterly fallacious. Firstly, left wing politics cannot be described as tradionalist at all. Secondly, mentioning trans as the main point as opposed to the views themselves which are espoused is a flawed way of analyzing things, as it implies that set groups should have some kind of accountability for specific ideological statements made by others in that group. Thirdly, mentioning capitalists funding things is not an argument in terms of the thing itself, given that capitalists support many a thing and being a socialist is not simply adopting every opposite position to views they may hold or support.
>If they do observe these traditions, and some trans people have in the past (something that should be encouraged, along with other minorities) then their contributions are more aligned with the traditional left-wing side, does that mean they are reactionaries or conservatives? Does that mean they aren't traditionalists?
Jesus fucking christ, look up and study traditionalism before you make retarded statements like this. No, it would not make them reactionaries or conservatives. It would also not make them traditionalists.
>Again, it is funny to see how, as trans people decide to become more traditionally left-wing, they not only let go of their liberal ideology, but they also decide to express more as their biological gender.
Define "express more as their biological gender". Are you assuming a set gender expression?
>No, again, you are mixing up terms, there is a difference between the abolition of gender and the abolition of gender roles, just because I support the abolition of gender roles, such as women being oppressed housewives and men breadwinners, doesn't mean I have to support the politicization of a fetish
How is abolition of gender a politicization of a fetish? You cannot exactly sperate the concept of gender from gender roles as well, in terms of how one presents themselves or operates in society.
>You are severely misunderstand of the topics being discussed here.
I think you are by conflating gender and sex. If you truly were opposed to the conceptual framework behind transgenderism, you would be opposed to gender. You can't have it both ways.
>No shit, which is why their ideology is flawed
Sure, but you cannot also argue this and state a defense of gender or "gender essence".
>No I did not, retard, re-read the thread, I merely made a shitpost teying to steer kids away from le ebin nazbol meme and some retard claimed that they are both the same position, and after I called him a retard for being such ideologically sterile he proceeded to sperg and post screenshots of past of my posts on another thread as some form of an argument lol
So you started off with the shitposting? That was the point, wasn't it? You claimed that that anon was the one shitpositing.
>If he didn't want to have an argument why did he even reply to me in the first place?
I may have not replied like that anon did, but I wouldn't blame anyone for replying to that.
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 No.105323

>>105309
>I'm a different anon, and I agree with you here, traditions are a thing in all societies and political systems (just see the importance of the U.S. presidential inauguration and Trump's insult to it). I see traditions as ritual behavior, and these ritual behaviors exist in systems either centrally or in part with varying intensity. They're repeated patterns of activity and pledges and oaths that give order and structure to society, political movements, etc. and give people meaning.
Traditions =/= Traditionalism. Read a traditionalist thinker for once.
>One of arguments Paul Tillich made was that socialism should also support itself through unbroken myths of origin, and I agree with that.
Not at all sustainable, as no "myth of origin" is ever unbroken, and such a belief goes against any materialst conception of reality. That's not really surprising coming from Tillich though.
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 No.105343

>>105329
>China is similar to Nazi Germany
That's a horrendously evil and stupid thing to say. I can't read this garbage.
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 No.105354

>>105344
>At least try to actually understand the topics you are discussing before writing a post anon.
>It's alright, one day you will understand the difference between the usage of traditionalist and/or traditionalism
When you say traditionalist in a political context, you should understand exactly what that means. Simply observing a tradition does not make one a traditionalist, which is what you stated.
>Didn't bother with the rest of your post about this topic because you are arguing in bad faith by trying to ignore that the term traditionalist doesn't directly imply traditionalist conservatism, or traditionalist school of thought, both completely different topics unrelated to each other and to traditional left-wing thought
Nothing I stated was in bad faith. You stated traditionalist. You didn't state "the view traditionally held but the left", you stated traditionalist, of which your example was not. I wasn't even necessarily discussing "traditionalist conservatism", I was detailing traditionalism, which is its own political framework and thought.
>Just a simple google search shows you that there are multiple usages of the term, guess what I really mean to say by "traditionalist left-wing" is to be a traditionalist spanish catholic, right?
No, I just took issue because you simply stated traditionalist with little actual context besides posting it in a thread about Nazbols. Again, using traditionalist in any political discussion in such a way is going to be interpreted in how it's commonly understood politically. And to just throw out "traditionalist" like that is bad practice regardless when merely referring to a following of a particular tradition.
>Stop trying to strawman your way out of this argument, the left wing tradition has always been putting class before identity poltics.
Was not strawmanning at all, you should just learn to use the proper term when having political discussions. Traditionalist is far from the proper terminology to use, and it's not tradition, it's simply a part of marxist analysis itself. Calling that tradition is as if we are repeating some preestablished canticle as opposed to engaging in a living science.
>And what is the creative labour of liberals and idpoltards in the realm of political economy again?
Again, you're mutilating the term. Species essence has nothing to do with what is actually made by a person, it is simply a statement of humans.
>And that is where you are wrong, a blind worker cannot create the same goods as one who isn't blind, this distinction extends to both men and women, a man will never be able to do the same labour as a woman, and before you, again, strawman into implying that both men and women could build similar goods of similar quality, there is an essential nature in both men and woman which means the roles in reproductive labour are strictly essential in nature, an ideology that implies this difference among workers of different sex does not exist is one that ignores reality, yet again, ignoring reality isn't somerhing uncommon for the liberal school of thought
A blind worker is not likely to create similar goods, though it is possible. But this misses the point, which is that conflating something like reproductive labour with generalized capitalist labour as Marx describes it is dishonest in of itself, unless one accepts an entirely essentialist outlook on all things. Reproductive differences cannot be extended to fabricate definite social roles that are inherent to the individual, as society itself and it's emergent superstructure is entirely in flux.
>Indeed, there are cis-gendered individuals who make the same mistakes and push for the same mistaken liberal policies, this is idpol, this is not left-wing politics, as left-wing politics traditionally place class before identity.
Ok, so then why the focus on trans?
>Learn the different usages of the term and come back before repeating this mistake again
Learn what traditionalist means politically. If you say "Traditionalist leftist", no one is going to think you are just a plain marxist. Otherwise, you would have just said that. Marx himself would be revolted at someone calling themselves such either way, as for him his analysis belies no traditional commitment to anything, it is an evolving analysis.
>They should, the trans ideology isn't written in some thousand year old text, it is shaped and transformed everyday by the people who identify with it, it is true a trans individual isn't responsible for the position the movement is taking kr moving towards, but it is responsible for identifying with that movement.
But that's not what you said, you mentioned specifically trans people as inherently creating a certain kind of "labour". Not certain trans people mind you, but wholly "trans-people and liberals".
>If the liberal LGBT position is flawed because it does not follow the left-wing tradition of putting class before identity, why shall anyone identify with it?
But then my focus isn't on gays, it's with the liberal conception of the movement, and how it may neglect how social issues arise from that of class.
>It absolutely is, because the thing itself wouldn't exist without the people behind it, capitalist or proletariat.
Such things didn't just come immediately out from the bourgeoisie fully formed, even you should understand this.
>Funny that you call me an essentialist yet you claim that there exista an essential liberal or LGBT movement away from foreign influence lol
My point is that literally no movement is ever technically away from foreign influence. That doesn't entirely deny the concepts as a whole.
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 No.105356

>>105354
Also, this is coming from someone who is rather critical of certain parts of the ideological rationalization behind transgenderism. But that comes from a perspective of gender abolition, not a reification of it.
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 No.105362

>>105344
Millions of Chinese died fighting fascism and you're call them Nazis? You're a disgusting, imperialist, reactionary piece of trash.
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 No.105390

>>105363
>falling for clickbait headlines
They removed it from the list of mental disorders in 2001.
And the actual court ruling was that the statement in the textbook was a "difference in opinion" rather than a "factual error".
>>105344
>article in screencap is nowhere to be found
>image is from a 4chan /pol/ thread with a fake link
lmao
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 No.105406

https://citationsneeded.medium.com/episode-65-how-empire-uses-feminist-branding-to-sell-war-and-occupation-5d3f189bc4a1

It'd be beyond farcical if weaponized wokeism ends up sabotaging cultural progressivism by associating wokeness with bombings and invasions.
The answer is not provided by Nazbolism though.
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 No.124619

File: 1616025562692.mp4 (3.09 MB, 1920x1080, nazbol.mp4)

GANG
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 No.138542

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>Economically left, culturally right?
NAZBOL GANG DESTROYED
CHRISTIAN DEMOCRACY > NAZBOL
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 No.138547

>>138542
>economically left
God you cunts are always the biggest cucks to capital
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 No.146787

>>92863
I think that's one example, but you're thinking on the axis too strongly in my opinion, I don't see any reason why a bisexual couldn't be a race "realist" for instance, where do those ideas intersect?
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 No.146788

>>92890
Coherent here is being taken to mean "internally consistent" I believe, it doesn't mean you have to agree with it
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 No.148060

Crony Capitalism
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 No.148969

If you want REAL nazbol theory, read Red Kahina (her friend Steppling too) on twitter. It's the closest thing you can get.
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 No.151052

>>92943
>skinhead girl behind her
Asdjfhakfhaksflwih

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