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 No.971557[Last 50 Posts]

Tell me about Cuba. I want to learn. I imagine it's just a spanish-speaking North Korea, which i like, but i want to learn the specific details about Cuban life and the economy. I already know that they have free penis enlargement surgery and gender transition surgery. Anybody got infographs or files?


Some useful links:

Government and mass organizations
President and Government: www.presidencia.gob.cu

Ministry of Foreign Affairs: www.minrex.gob.cu

Communist Party of Cuba (PCC): www.pcc.cu

Young Communist League (UJC): www.ujc.cu

Workers’ Central Union or Cuba (CTC): www.cubasindical.cu

Federation of Cuban Women (FMC): www.mujeres.cu

Committees for the Defense of the Revolution (CDR): www.cdr.cu


National media
Granma, newspaper of the Central Committee of the Communist Party: www.granma.cu, www.en.granma.cu

Juventud Rebelde, newspaper of the Young Communist League: http://www.juventudrebelde.cu

Trabajadores, newspaper of the Central Workers’ Union of Cuba: http://www.trabajadores.cu

Prensa Latina, a state news agency: https://prensa-latina.cu, https://www.plenglish.com

Cubadebate, editorial journal discussing imperialist campaigns against Cuba and defamation of Cuba in foreign press: www.cubadebate.cu, www.en.cubadebate.cu

Revista Bohemia, an old magazine which predates the Cuban revolution with commentary on various domestic matters: www.bohemia.cu


Regional newspapers
Tribunal de La Habana — Havana: http://www.tribuna.cu

Girón — Matanzas Province: http://www.giron.cu/

Vanguardia — Santa Clara: http://www.vanguardia.cu

5 de Septiembre — Cienfuegos: http://www.5septiembre.cu

Escambray — Sancti Spíritus: http://www.escambray.cu

Guerrillero — Pinar del Río: www.guerrillero.cu

Invasor — Ciego de Ávila: www.invasor.cu

Adelante — Camagüey: www.adelante.cu

Periódico 26 — Las Tunas: www.periodico26.cu

Ahora — Holguin: www.ahora.cu

La Demajagua — Granma Province: www.lademajagua.cu

Sierra Maestra — Santiago de Cuba: www.sierramaestra.cu

Venceremos — Guantanamo: www.venceremos.cu

Victoria — Isla de la Juventud: www.periodicovictoria.cu


TV and Radio
Televisión Cubana, public tv: www.tvcubana.icrt.cu

Radio Cubana, public radio: www.radiocubana.cu

Radio Rebelde, the original revolutionary radio station set up by Che Guevara in the mountains of Sierra Maestra in 1958: www.radiorebelde.cu

Radio Havana Cuba, international broadcaster: www.radiohc.cu


Misc.
Cubarte, cultural portal: www.cubarte.cu, www.cubarte.cu/en

Tourism portal: www.cubatravel.cu

EcuRed, Cuban encyclopedia: www.ecured.cu

EcuRed article on the U.S.: www.ecured.cu/Estados_Unidos

 No.971582

>free penis enlargement surgery
I believe thats a misconception. Not Cuban but if I recall correctly I believe it was free surgery for those with serious problems with their penis, not just random "hey doc can i grow my cock" surgery

 No.971613

>I imagine it's just a spanish-speaking North Korea
It really isn't. Non-American Westerners regularly visit and have free reign of the country. No guides, no restricted areas, etc. Frankly the huge differences in the openness of Cuban vs DPRK society makes me seriously question the necessity of North Korea's security measures.

 No.971620

>>971613
entire world doesn't want to destroy cuba (inb4 cuz they good)

 No.971624

>>971557
Cuba is actually cool unlike NK so no, don't say that

Castro was the best M-L (which is because he was faking it)

 No.971626

>>971620
but actually alot of brazilian brainlets want, they unironically believe that cuba is the root of all evil (in latam)

 No.971628

>>971613
north korea good though

 No.971629

>>971624
its so fake that they still have planned economy

 No.971633

>>971626
>Country of 11 million somehow manipulates a country of 200 million

 No.971635

>>971626
your typical reactionary doesnt live in reality but the Brazilian ones are in a league of their own.

 No.971640

>>971633
No, they believe ALL of Latam. So an embaragoed small island is in reality a deep state manipulating a region of 700 million people.

 No.971653

>>971620
I'm not convinced that they want to destroy the DPRK either. Why is it that the DPRK is sanctioned by nearly the entire world while most of the West is perfectly happy to trade with Cuba? I don't think that the intensity of the DPRK's security policies really reflect the actual threats to their existence. All factors point to Cuba's existence being far more precarious, since they are much closer to the US and aren't a buffet state for a great power ally. Yet their policies are far more relaxed.

 No.971662

>>971626
Might as well just simply say the american right
>Last year protests, DW coverage

 No.971682

Here are some Cuban websites that may be of interest:

Government and mass organizations
President and Government: www.presidencia.gob.cu

Ministry of Foreign Affairs: www.minrex.gob.cu

Communist Party of Cuba (PCC): www.pcc.cu

Young Communist League (UJC): www.ujc.cu

Workers’ Central Union or Cuba (CTC): www.cubasindical.cu

Federation of Cuban Women (FMC): www.mujeres.cu

Committees for the Defense of the Revolution (CDR): www.cdr.cu


National media
Granma, newspaper of the Central Committee of the Communist Party: www.granma.cu, www.en.granma.cu

Juventud Rebelde, newspaper of the Young Communist League: http://www.juventudrebelde.cu

Trabajadores, newspaper of the Central Workers’ Union of Cuba: http://www.trabajadores.cu

Prensa Latina, a state news agency: https://prensa-latina.cu, https://www.plenglish.com

Cubadebate, editorial journal discussing imperialist campaigns against Cuba and defamation of Cuba in foreign press: www.cubadebate.cu, www.en.cubadebate.cu

Revista Bohemia, an old magazine which predates the Cuban revolution with commentary on various domestic matters: www.bohemia.cu


Regional newspapers
Tribunal de La Habana — Havana: http://www.tribuna.cu

Girón — Matanzas Province: http://www.giron.cu/

Vanguardia — Santa Clara: http://www.vanguardia.cu

5 de Septiembre — Cienfuegos: http://www.5septiembre.cu

Escambray — Sancti Spíritus: http://www.escambray.cu

Guerrillero — Pinar del Río: www.guerrillero.cu

Invasor — Ciego de Ávila: www.invasor.cu

Adelante — Camagüey: www.adelante.cu

Periódico 26 — Las Tunas: www.periodico26.cu

Ahora — Holguin: www.ahora.cu

La Demajagua — Granma Province: www.lademajagua.cu

Sierra Maestra — Santiago de Cuba: www.sierramaestra.cu

Venceremos — Guantanamo: www.venceremos.cu

Victoria — Isla de la Juventud: www.periodicovictoria.cu


TV and Radio
Televisión Cubana, public tv: www.tvcubana.icrt.cu

Radio Cubana, public radio: www.radiocubana.cu

Radio Rebelde, the original revolutionary radio station set up by Che Guevara in the mountains of Sierra Maestra in 1958: www.radiorebelde.cu

Radio Havana Cuba, international broadcaster: www.radiohc.cu


Misc.
Cubarte, cultural portal: www.cubarte.cu, www.cubarte.cu/en

Tourism portal: www.cubatravel.cu

EcuRed, Cuban encyclopedia: www.ecured.cu

EcuRed article on the U.S.: www.ecured.cu/Estados_Unidos

 No.971684

>>971629
Fake it 'til you make it

 No.971739

>>971582
>not just random "hey doc can i grow my cock" surgery

The biggest sign of fake communism ever

 No.971752


 No.971768

>doesn’t have a narco/gang violence problem
>largely well-educated country with decent enough access to public services
>fairly average by LatAm standards when put into perspective, country is no more (even less) “authoritarian” than other nominally democratic countries
>poor country but not as rabidly unequal as other countries in LatAm and the Caribbean
Is this a correct assessment of Cuba? How much would lifting the embargo help Cuba? And are gusanos so hell bent on slandering Cuba, is it just a vocal minority?

 No.971770

>>971653
The DPRK's military spending is pretty intense but I think it might be due to the different origins since the Korean War was really an extremely bloody and destructive civil war. The amount of damage the U.S. inflicted on it was worse than what the U.S. did to Japan during World War II and the peninsula is still divided, and the war never "technically" ended.

Cuba has had more supporters in the U.S. and Europe than the DPRK has ever managed to pull. Fidel Castro was chilling in Harlem in the 60s (during a visit to the U.N.). More exchanges going on despite the embargo. So I think that has also played into it. There are also *some* (but not many) politicians who support ending the embargo like Rep. Barbara Lee of California. The Cuban Revolution has had resonance for black people in the United States.

 No.971791

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Cuba is hosting the IMCWP conference this year. That'd be fun.

 No.972354

>>971629
Wrong. DPRK is the last planned economy on Earth since Cuba became a state-directed mixed economy a few years ago. Wikipedia says as much
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_North_Korea
>The economy of North Korea is a centrally planned economy, following Juche, where the role of market allocation schemes is limited, although increasing.[10][11] As of 2022, North Korea continues its basic adherence to a centralized command economy. There has been some economic liberalization, particularly after Kim Jong-un assumed the leadership in 2012, but reports conflict over particular legislation and enactment.[12][13][14][15][16][17] Since the 1990s, informal market activity has increased, which the authoritarian regime has tolerated.[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba
>The economy of Cuba is a mixed command economy dominated by state-run enterprises. Most of the labor force is employed by the state. Following the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, the ruling Communist Party of Cuba encouraged the formation of worker co-operatives and self-employment. In the late 2010s, private property and free-market rights along with foreign direct investment were granted by the 2018 Cuban constitution.[10][11] Foreign direct investment in various Cuban economic sectors increased before 2018.

 No.972478

>>971768
>doesn’t have a narco/gang violence problem
Do they? I'm from Chile and I asked the one Cuban doctor I ever met about it, and he told they do have gang problems but refused to elaborate.
Information blockade is truly a bitch isn't it.

 No.972490

>>972478
They probably have a black market problem like the old soviet union.

 No.972656

I've always believed we should have a Cuba general like we have for the DPRK. What are your thoughts on that anons?

 No.972671

>>972656
unlike NK id actually be interested to learn more about Cuba

 No.972682

>thread theme

 No.972689


 No.972693

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 No.973031

>>972693
What does Justin Trudeau think of the fact that his mother is a whore, his "father" was a rumored homosexual, and his real father is castro?

 No.973141

>>973031
>his "father" was a rumored homosexual
Not sure where you heard that, in fact he actually had a reputation for being a womanizer. The story goes that when the Trudeaus would visit Cuba, Pierre would head out to bang Havana girls, and Castro would comfort his wife.

 No.973159

File: 1652711054972.mp4 (4.16 MB, 640x360, 0nPiGVkfXC5LyxcG.mp4)

>>973141
>and Castro would comfort his wife.
so that is what they called it huh.

 No.973407

>>973159
Did this meme start as a Canadian conservaboomer thing? It'd be funny if it took a life of its own and turned Fidel Castro into a sex symbol for millions of young people in the United States and Canada. We're all going to Havana to learn how to have a Dance Dance Revolution

 No.973442

>>973407
Didn't it start here? At least I thought this is where it was popularized.

 No.973564

>>971613
the difference is that north korea suffered a horrible war

 No.973634

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>>973442
Im no internet historian but I'm pretty sure conservatives started it when Trudeau gave a bit of an eulogy to Castro after he died in 2016. It has taken on a new life recently though

 No.973659

>>971557
>I imagine it's just a spanish-speaking North Korea,
It's a huge tourist destination you absolute moron.

 No.973684

>>972354
>informal market activity has increased, which the authoritarian regime has tolerated.[18]
How is this at all that different from Cuba legitimizing their informat tourist facing markets you refer to?

 No.982481

>>971653
The DPRK has a stronger socialist system and suffered destruction in the 1950s that Cuba never did.

 No.982640

>>973407
>Sounds of Fiesta
This is legit a banger

 No.982653

>>972354
>wikiglow

 No.982655

Why doesn't Cuba allow immigration?

 No.982728

¿Cual es el mejor video de viaje sobre Cuba?
Which one is the best video about travelling in Cuba?
https://iteroni.com/playlist?list=PLcWg1WeHg9ug_0A7OaG8PSiF-qpy0WZ16
just an option

 No.982998

>>971640
>So an embaragoed small island is in reality a deep state manipulating a region of 700 million people.
And here i thought it was da joos

 No.983009

Here is a post from a forum where people call out what they perceive to be 'bad economics'. The post is in response to a popular claim that USA (a global superpower) sanctioned Cuba and forced other countries not to trade with Cuba, primarily causing their lack of economic prosperity. "It's USA's fault, not Cuba's socialist policies".

https://teddit.net/r/badeconomics/comments/q1c4xb/bad_economics_on_rbaseball_regarding_the_cuban/

How much of their rebuttal is realistic and how much is fallacious garbage?
How much can the US be blamed for Cuba's economic situation? Naturally they're openly antagonistic, with the land invasion and literal hundreds of assassination attempts and all that, but was the embargo *really* that significant beyond mere US trade?

>inb4 >>>/edu/

Theory discussion shouldn't be isolated from the main board.

 No.983035


 No.983056

>>983009
I haven't investigated it that closely but I think the primary problem is access to credit because the U.S. essentially controls the global financial system and can use its hooks into the SWIFT system to sanction foreign banks (including European banks) that hold deposits from foreign businesses that want to do business with Cuba, which deters investment.

Cuba is pretty functional though. The public services, healthcare, infrastructure and transport systems work pretty efficiently. The life expectancy in Cuba is higher than the United States. I think part of the problem here is that the left has gotten used to accepting the right-wing framing and then says "well you're right but it's because of the embargo."

 No.983069

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>>983009
See https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cuba#Economy
The reason Cuba is not at the top of its game at the moment is because its major support and partner, the USSR has been gone for a long time, it is an island nation under embargo, and so has limited resources and limited trade options. Russia has been helping but it is not the same animal as the USSR had been for Cuba.

 No.983116

>>983009
>Naturally they're openly antagonistic, with the land invasion and literal hundreds of assassination attempts and all that, but was the embargo *really* that significant beyond mere US trade?
Yes it goes way beyond that. Because the embargo extends to everyone that is a lackey or a US proxy, which to this day still constitutes half of the world.
This would be fine for Cuba as well if their biggest benefactor and trading partner the Soviet Union didn’t fucking collapse alongside Comecon in the 90s. This major disruption almost also caused a famine in the DPRK, Laos and Vietnam.
Cuban exports largely consists of sugar and tropical fruits. And as an island nation with little mineral resources can’t industrialize to the extent of even the DPRK. This effectively barred them from trading outside of buying equipment.

 No.983131

>>983009
Most of it is just the usual free market good, government-owned enterprise bad, my favourite line is this one.
>Productivity is low for a number of reasons — lack of machinery, government as the sole crop purchaser, other various bad policies, and the legacy of a system that was more geared toward producing sugar exports rather than food.
This knuckle-dragging, capital-apologising, waste of oxygen really didn't bother asking why any of these things are things in the first place.
Couldn't possibly be because of the difficulty they have buying/selling or anything.

 No.983238

>>983009
If USA had half of those sanctions imposed on them, burgers would start eating each other on less than a month, maybe even literally. New Orlean showed this much.

 No.983305

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>>983035
>Since 1992, the UN General Assembly has passed a resolution every year condemning the ongoing impact of the embargo and declaring it in violation of the Charter of the United Nations and of international law.
Embārgō dēlenda est

>2016

wat

 No.983306

>>973407
>turned Fidel Castro into a sex symbol for millions of young people in the United States and Canada.

Fidel's always been this. Che too. You should see how horny the tabloids were for him back in the 60s. The anticommunist propaganda backfired.

 No.983350

>>983305
>wat

seems like an error. I'd just edit the article.

PS which wikipedia article is that?

 No.983356

>>983305
Funny how US can just say "fuck off" to UN for decades and everyone pretends like it's allright and nothing happened. Porky democracy at it's finest.

 No.983362

>>983350
If that wasn't a joke post, no, it's real.
>for the first time in the 25 year history of the annual vote, the United States, rather than opposing the text, cast an abstention, along with Israel.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2016/10/543832-us-abstains-first-time-annual-un-vote-ending-embargo-against-cuba
>we did it UN!

 No.983369

>>983362
But they still not gonna lift embargo. This is a fucking circus.

 No.983382

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 No.983384

>>983382
This time it will totally work, trust me, bros

 No.983400


 No.983405

>imagine it's just a spanish-speaking North Korea, which i like
Grow up.

 No.983409

>>971653
Come on jack, you need to read about the Korean War. Cuba didn’t have 20-30% of its population slaughtered by US backed fascists and didn’t have huge amounts of chemical weapons dropped on it. Also the context of its formation wasn’t directly in the aftermath of fighting the axis powers like Korea. It doesn’t have a huge US outpost attached to it. It’s a very different situation

Both Cuba and Norks are cool

 No.983415

>>983409
The biggest difference is that USA doesn't need Cuban territory as much as they need DRPK, later making an insanely good base with land border to northern China. Also they have a lot more mineral rich lands unlike Cuba. Which is what makes the difference in pressure made by USA on those countries i believe.

 No.983424

>>983415
Cuba is still very much valuable in the fact that before the revolution it was the largest and most profitable source of sugar cane and coffee for the US, given its equatorial climate and short distance from the mainland. Still, i don't think any one of these two embargoed, consistently sabotaged countries can be more opressed than the other by the empire that wants both dead

 No.983430

>>983424
Sanctions over DPRK are stricter, there is also a much bigger military pressure from SK and US. So yeah, i believe a more important strategical location is the reason, also the mineral deposits in DPRK estimated to be over 10 trillion dollars which would be the second reason.

 No.983572

>>983430
>also the mineral deposits in DPRK estimated to be over 10 trillion dollars which would be the second reason.
This + anticommunist are the main reasons.

 No.991768

Make a dedicated Cuba thread

 No.991792

>>991768
this is the dedicated cuba thread

 No.991794

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 No.1003848

Bump? Bump!

 No.1003864

It saddens me anons from what I hear it's only the aging that still really support the revolution. The youth fantasize about the consumer goods and "freedom" of America. It's the eastern bloc all over again. The embargo will continue to choke the Cuban people. Eventually I fear the anger will overtake the aging supporters. The infrastructure is old and decaying and the embargo insures it can't be fixed. Climate change will make the hurricane season worse and while they're good at fighting them how long will they last? How long till they capitulate to a IMF loan? I worry for Cubas future. I saw videos of the recent flooding and I'm probably overreacting…

 No.1003871

>>1003864
it's understandable why your feel defeated, the genocidal pressure against cuba by the US via sanctions is disgusting by anyone human, and the younger people falling for the same shit that ended in the USSR ended with children becoming drug addicts unable to afford a house or food is despairing.
but we can't be hopeless, specially now that the US is showing obvious sign of being unable to mantain it's hegemony like the USSR times and with China's ascension to the newest challenge to first place, try to keep your calm.

 No.1003873

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>>972478
>"Cuba has a gang problem"
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves (to do his internationalist duty elsewhere)

 No.1003878

>>971653
Are you completely unaware why the DPRK is sanctioned? It's because of the nukes and missile program. Cuba was in an equally precarious situation when the Soviets stationed missiles there.

And the reason for that is, that the DPRK is still technically at war and need a deterrence so they don't have to spend half their budget on the military. There is also a direct threat of a capitalist Korea, how do you think Cuba would look like if their was a capitalist half of the island propped up by the US?

As for the guides, the DPRK didn't have guides and restricted areas before 1991. The thing is that people have immediately tried to fuck with them once the Iron Curtain fell, deliberately seeking out bad areas and sensationalizing it because as an "Asiatic despoty" it has a very exotic flair, meanwhile Cuba has a familiar Latin American culture that is more "laid back" that Korean culture. South Korea is the same, just in the capitalist/consumerist version.

I also highly doubt that life in the DPRK is even worse than in Cuba. Cuba has more access to Western and LatAm goods but I've never seen the type of mega projects they build in the DPRK to be realized in Cuba. They've basically had the same infrastructure since the Cold War era and focus mostly on producing consumer goods for export and medicine.

 No.1003880

>>1003871
I feel in a odd way that if capital succeeds in destroying Cuba, I'll rest easy knowing the horrors it will unleash will only bring the people back to Che's and Castro's loving arms! Many times in life things take having to learn the hard way. When the consumerist goods glamorous hypnotic sway is lifted. The Cuban people will see the shock doctrine of Russia in the 90's. They will get the reminder of why the revolution happened to begin with. It won't be 60 years ago it'll be right now for them. They will see why the gusano was driven to Miami to begin with. I have a similar faith this will happen with all former socialist nations. They may fall Into the grips of fascism but capitalisms contradictions don't change. When all else has been tried, the steady rock of socialism the mountain it is, will still be on the horizon till the last Homo Saipan walks this Earth!

 No.1003884

>>971770
Eldridge Cleaver like the DPRK so much he thought about turning the Black Panthers into a Juche organization. But generally you are right, there is also the fact that even liberals have problems spinning it in a way that doesn't let Cuba look like the good here, the USA supported a narco dictator and then tried to overthrow the government with an invasion and every other country except Israel and Ukraine demand an end to the embargo. Right-wingers just say "communism bad" which is enough for their clientele.
>Barbara Lee
Does she support a complete end to the embargo or some Obama-style "reapproachment"?

 No.1003886

>>971791
Wasn't that supposed to happen in Pyongyang? What happened?

 No.1003888

>>971791
Sometimes I'm really annoyed when I'm seeing pictures like this, when Western communists arrive in a country with a communist party in power and wear their fucking meme shirts. I know Cuba is much more laid back than say Vietnam or DPRK but come the fuck on. You don't have to do some Caleb Maupin style Mormon preacher look but at least get a button-up shirt and a jeans or something.

 No.1003889

>>972478
There are still pro-American gangsters in Cuba that sometimes use cultural groups especially rap music as a front to pose as activists.

There are probably still drugs in the black market. General black market problem due to the mixed economy (which is being addressed now with the streamlining of the currency).

But actual narco gangs? I doubt that, there are very strong community institutions in Cuba, they would cast them out.

 No.1003998

>>1003864
Wait how is that numerically possible when 8 million out of a total of 11 million are active in CDRs? That institution survived the collapse of the USSR, then Cuba made serious gains during the first Chavez administration

 No.1004001

The fact that a bunch of major Larin American countries are protesting the exclusion to the Summit of the Americas, Cuba is still in a better place now than during the 90s. The Pan-American Bolivarian project is under siege but it's still around.

 No.1004063

>>971653
You're comparing a warm Christian 40% white romance-speaking country with deep ties to the Atlantic world with an oriental cold mountainous peninsula that was the world's backwater barely 70 years ago

 No.1004064

>>1004063
Meh, Chosun wasn't that backwards. The Japanese, despite all their atrocities they committed there, actually also put in infrastructure, industry and trains. In fact, the Japanese railroads are still used by the DPRK today.

 No.1004067

>>1004064
Most was destroyed during the war

 No.1004075

>>1003886
Corona related lockdown of the border in 2020
Then it was held online

 No.1007122

How do I move to Cuba?

 No.1007133

>>1007122
>learn spanish
>move to a latin american country
>move to cuba

 No.1007141

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>>1003884
>Does she support a complete end to the embargo or some Obama-style "reapproachment"?
Complete end to embargo and normalization of relations. Fun fact is that she was also in the Black Panther Party in the late 60s and was the only member of Congress to vote against the authorization of use of military force after 9/11.

 No.1007207

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this wasnt an easy quote to dig up since i couldnt remember who said it

 No.1007213

>>1007133
Well, that's step one done at least.

 No.1007347

>>971626
This is the same mentality of all latam reactionaries man, not just brazilian.

 No.1010978

Reliable news articles/links on the new Cuban family law?

 No.1011775

>>1010978
Bumping for this

 No.1011777

>>1007207
Pretty sure I saw someone post it recently. Probably in the DPRK thread.

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 No.1011844

This new Family Laws that had the big public consultation and coming in seems very interesting, in both creation and content:

I think it might be the first under the new constitution but i am unsure, I do not pay close enough look to our comrades in CUba.


Cuban Congress Approves Family Code Favorable to Gender Equity
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Cuban-Congress-Approves-Family-Code-Favorable-to-Gender-Equity-20211222-0004.html
>The new norm includes a definition of marriage that opens the possibility for people of the same sex to marry and adopt children.
<Lawmaker Yolanda Ferrer stressed that the new norm also promotes the emancipation of women and she remembered the late revolutionary leader Vilma Espín, who promoted the rights of women and children in Cuba.
< "Although the approval of the code does not immediately eliminate all the patriarchal practices that exist in Cuban families, the challenge is to help and work to dissolve them," Ferrer said.

Family Code, a guide for debate (X)
https://oncubanews.com/en/cuba/family-code-a-guide-for-debate-x/
>The Code is a cultural drive, part of the moral, emotional and cultural transformation that implies, within the new family relationships, a new paternity far from the traditional roles of discipline, emotional distance and physical absences.
<The Family Code displays a wide range of rights. Nominalizing, recognizing, dignifying and protecting another type of paternity is an added value of this regulation. The Code is a cultural drive, part of the moral, emotional and cultural transformation that implies, within the new family relationships, a new paternity far from the traditional roles of discipline, emotional distance and physical absences. It opens the way to a fatherhood that expresses emotions, that assumes, as a conscious desire, roles committed to reproductive tasks.

The rights of boys and girls are as sacred the children themselves
https://en.granma.cu/cuba/2022-06-06/the-rights-of-boys-and-girls-are-as-sacred-the-children-themselves
>The new Families Code seeks to change the paradigm in the conception of children, no longer considering them objects of protection but rather as subjects of rights
<, in the legal norm in force, communication with minors is conceived only on the basis of the interests of adults. For example, there may be the case of a father who wishes to communicate with his child and the mother of the minor limits him, but neither of them is actually listening to what the child wants.”>
<Given this reality, and in my experience as a judge, I have not seen a process aimed at establishing obligations for an absent parent to have greater participation in the child's life based on their needs, such as having their presence at school meetings, in their extracurricular activities or in any other area of their life.
>In short, the child is now considered as a person with rights and duties, which will be acquired as the child grows and his or her intellectual capacity matures".

New version of Family Code draft presented in Cuba
https://oncubanews.com/en/cuba/new-version-of-family-code-draft-presented-in-cuba/
>It is the 25th. It includes the final results of the popular consultation process to which the previous version was submitted, and which was received by the Drafting Commission in the last extraordinary session of the National Assembly of People’s Power.
<For her part, the Reverend Ofelia Ortega Suárez, also a member of the Drafting Commission, considered that the popular consultation was a tremendous success, considering that 61.96% of the opinions were in favor of the Family Code draft, something that she described as “extraordinary,”


Not sure why I compiled this list but I hope you or others find it helpful in learning about the family law and the process of the new constitution in creating and ratifying it.

 No.1011857

>>1011844
Thank you, this is very convenient.

 No.1011883

File: 1654917469018.pdf (1.06 MB, 197x255, goc-2022-ex4.pdf)

>>1010978
Attached is PDF of the bill text, I think it is the original draft which was submitted for popular consultation in January. Side note, Cuba’s state legal gazette Gaceta Oficial publishes various legal texts here: https://www.gacetaoficial.gob.cu/

Here are a number of Spanish-language articles from the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Cuba as well as the Young Communist League:
https://www.granma.cu/codigo-de-las-familias
https://www.juventudrebelde.cu/busqueda?keywords=Código+de+las+Familias
They should machine-translate fine.

There is also cubadebate, tends to lean toward opinion pieces:
http://www.cubadebate.cu/etiqueta/codigo-de-las-familias/

The English-language edition of the state news agency Prensa Latina has some articles:
https://www.plenglish.com/tags/family-code/

Alternatively, Granma has an English-language edition which may have some articles:
https://en.granma.cu

 No.1011915

>>1007207
Don't ask the average North Korean their opinion on homosexuality.

 No.1011922

>>971768
Is Cuba really that poor? They seem the most developed in the Caribbean.

 No.1011974

>>1011915
Average north Korean has never heard of that

 No.1011977

>>1011915
Cuba is quite progressive on those issues.

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>>1011915
oopsie woopsie

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Greater Cuba when?

On the real I feel Cuba isn't fully playing it's hand in the Caribbean. Why don't they fund and support color revolutions or something in the Caribbean? They need a sphere of influence. Havana should be the Moscow to the Caribbeans Warsaw pact!

 No.1020775

>>1011857
No problem anon, i am glad somebody else found it interesting at least.

 No.1021031

How many nuclear power plants would Cuba need to have 75% of it's energy needs met like France does from nuclear.

 No.1021039

>>1021031
Isn't the Island small enough (and way less demanding in electricity than a first world country) that around 3-4 would supply the entire network ?

 No.1021044

>>1020774
They do have a sort of sphere of influence but it's subtle and only comes up when someone gets mad about it. The Cubans and the North Koreans are the two countries that will always try and bail you out.
For some reason people don't shit and fart as much about these two giving assistance abroad as they did with the Soviets so it's less noticeable.

 No.1021047

>>1021039
You see that's what I'm thinking but I keep seeing different statistics every site I go to. One site says Cuba uses X amount of energy yearly, Y says something totally different. I'm confused what to trust.

 No.1021050

>>983009
obviously reddit /r/economics is going to blame socialism for any economic problem that cuba has. They act like Cuba was not a resource colony, so sugar, rum and tobacco sales wouldn't be crucial to any Cuban economy, and that other similar states in the Caribbean who are capitalist aren't just as poor or worse.

 No.1021056

I forgot about this thread.
This video seems fit right away.
Tl;dw or don't understand. Electric cars, and motorbikes are getting more mainstream in Cuba, even some rusty soviet truck factories now are working in assembling this vehicles on the island. Although them seems to be in international price, so don't expect car clogs in Havana soon (cost between 4000 to 8 K dollars)
I gave it a day to wait if the english euro published another, seems the spanish video is the only one.

 No.1021068

>>1021039
It would you only take 10-20 billion to build those 3-4 nuclear plants. Surely China could help make that happen.

 No.1021111

Cuba has a half built nuclear power plant. The Soviets we're doing this project up untill it's collapse.

 No.1021121

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Is there any chance that Cuba still has Nukes?

(sorry if this is a dumb question)

 No.1021123

Based Documentary

>Si no fuera por la sistema de salud que tenemos en Coooba, estaria muerto

 No.1021338

>>1021111
It's not like they could finish the other half of the construction now, after 30 years this has to be degraded too much to finish, and the stuff they intended to install probably isn't made anymore. But the site could probably be reused. Rosatom took over most of the old Soviet nuclear industry and probably could build a new nuclear plant while reusing some stuff like the layout to save on earth-moving-work.

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>>1021474
That is the actual pronunciation

 No.1022881

>The Virgin Sri Lanka
AHHHHH WE GOT NO GAS OUR ENTIRE ECONOMY RUNS ON CARS AND SHIPPING!!! WE’RE GONNA COLLAPSE!!!
>The Chad Cuba
Why yes we actually want to have an oil crisis so that we can accelerate the implementation of electric cars and high speed railway. How can you tell?

 No.1022989

>>1022204
I aware. The meme's just funny.

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 No.1029979

CUBA
Grow it, grow a lot

 No.1029987

>>1021121
No anon, none.
If there was any hint they the moment the USSR fell Cuba would have been Irakized

 No.1030003

>>1029987
Then why hasn't North Korea been invaded? Nukes are deterrent.
They'd only need one, Cuba's potential value to the US wouldn't be worth Miami alone being vaporized.

 No.1030004

>>1030003
>Cuba under the special period would have wanted to spend money they didn't had in doomsday weapons
Different nations, different aproaches, its all I'm going to say.
One is seen around the world as the nation of doctors and science, the maker of the first latam covid vaccine to put something new and the other one … has its reasons to keep an eye on his twin, armistice doesn't mean peace deal and all to be fair.

 No.1030006

Also, althoug spanish wiki doesn't mention it. Cuba is part as an observer of the Tlatelcoco treaty of prohibition of nuclear weapons.
>Cuba was the last country to sign and to ratify, in 1995 and on 23 October 2002, completing signature and ratification by all 33 nations of Latin America and the Caribbean. Cuba ratified with a reservation that achieving a solution to the United States hostility to Cuba and the use of the Guantánamo Bay military base for U.S. nuclear weapons was a precondition to Cuba's continued adherence
<Source link broken
Kek

 No.1037805

CUBA BETS ON RENEWABLE ENERGY

 No.1041362

How the fuck did socialist Cuba survive the 20th century?

Seriously, how? What were they key factors that prevented the USA, the biggest military and cultural power by far at the time, from annihilating the Cuban socialism next door? And would China be as supportive as the USSR if another Central/South American state did similarly?

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File: 1656746650111-1.jpg (137.26 KB, 1140x642, 09-1140.jpg)

Escambray or Sierra Maestra

 No.1045315

>>1041362
Cold War politics were a mess, I think Fidel played his cards perfectly during such tumultuous times.

And no, China does not export revolution and is not socialist

 No.1048325

>>982655
I am born of Cuban parents and considering getting Cuban citizenship since I am eligible, just to have it but I know my fam will be quite pissed off.
>>1041362
It has survived but at great cost. The embargo makes its food security issue really stand out.

 No.1048360

>>1041362
>How the fuck did socialist Cuba survive the 20th century?
To be honest I have no idea, but I think they might still have a "guerrilla" mentality or that's in the political DNA. Cuba produces a lot of top-ranked boxers so there's a fighting culture and one that's quick on its feet. The biggest danger to the Communist Party might be its own complacency rather than a particular crisis since crisis is what forces them to go "oh shit oh shit oh shit" and try to unfuck whatever the problem is or figure out a workaround.

Miguel-Diaz Canel seems to be growing into his role. He had a statement for the People's Summit in the U.S. recently which Breakthrough News shared and it's worth watching. The beginning where he's like "oh, excuse me, I was just updating my Twitter account" is cheesy but is deliberate ofc and I've noticed they're trying to step up their social media game to get their message out.

 No.1048371

>>1048360
I noticed that by 2021 a lot of Cubans are on twitter, likely encouraged by the Party since many of them retweet various posts by various organizations on the island and leaders. Though I am in Florida and everyone calls Diaz-Canel a "singao", I did meet one Cuban woman who talked positively about him last month. Many who a pro-gov't stay quiet in Florida though out of necessity. Do you view the People's Summit as a success in anyway as a counter to the failed Summit of the Americas?

Its not easy to succeed the "revolution" which is the issue the Cuban gov't has right now: finding younger leaders to take charge now that the revolutionary generation has passed. What I find interesting is how the Cuban concept of revolution, obviously in a leftist way, is influenced by the idea of permanent revolution. They are in "year 64 of the revolution". In a way, this isn't much different than how the French approached revolution but VERY different from the Angloids in the US: "oh, we won? okay revolution over". I think what Cuba tries to do is give its people born after the revolution a sense of shared identity, that they too are part of the revolutionary process. Whereas after the 1780s, "yeah the US revolution is over bro. Time to form competing moneyed factions."

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>>1048371
>Do you view the People's Summit as a success in anyway as a counter to the failed Summit of the Americas?
Hard to say. I don't know what the measure of success is. I saw some viral videos of Blinken getting heckled by a PSL guy who was in town but I can't determine how much of what I see is filtered through my own bubble you know? Either way, organizing counter summits seems like a good move and having that also be integrated with alternative media, because I probably wouldn't have even known about the Summit of the Americas or the exclusion of Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua if it wasn't for these alternative media sources. The PSL is doing a kickass job here for a small ML party and other orgs should step up their game here as well.

The thing about these summits and conferences, is what NOT to do is probably sit around hemming and hawing. What's your "ask?" Or what are your demands? The People's Summit had that, which is to demand the U.S. include these countries in the "Summit of Exclusion" down the street. They marched to the summit from their summit – so political action, organizing, theorizing and socializing are all intertwined.

BTW, Vijay Prashad was chilling with Diaz-Canel the other day which is pretty based.

 No.1048405

Or, like, there was a thing in the anti-(or alter-)globalization movement 20 years ago when people would go "summit hopping" like to the WTO in Seattle. But here comrades are creating an alternative summit to the summit.

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 No.1051571

>>1048570
Public Health is the Midwife of Marxism

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>>1045165
Cuba's geography is pretty lame tbh, especially compared with its sister Quisqueya (Hispaniola) so-called a mini-continent
>>1030006
Imagine not using cuban wiki https://www.ecured.cu

 No.1051813

>>1051777
I agree on the geography, Hispaniola has better mountain ranges and the like, I also like the geography of the windward/leeward islands better too. Still even if much of Cuba is flat farm land still has a lot going for it.

 No.1052218

>>1051777
>Imagine not using cuban wiki https://www.ecured.cu
i cant read spanish :(

 No.1052237

>>1051777
>Imagine not using cuban wiki https://www.ecured.cu
Some guy after the revolution: "I'll make the wiki"

 No.1052612

>>1051777
No te presenten mentiras aqui, la geografia de cuba es bella. Recuerda que somos la isla mas grande que todo en el caribe, la reina.

 No.1052654

Noticing an uptick in anti-Cuba social media shilling. Stay frosty.

 No.1052737

>>1052654
It never stopped. 11J has deluded Miamians into nonstop #SOS posting and #ABAJOLADICTADURA nonsense even more on twitter at least. Where are you seeing it?

 No.1062828

>>1029979
Well anons why aren't they?

 No.1079869

>>1062828
>>1029979
For the same reason weed is frowned down upon in places like Japan. US influence about "WEED BAD" had an effect on Cuba before the revolution. Now weed is associated as a degen burger drug. The Cuban state position is why acknowledge a "gateway drug" when the Cuban healthcare system is more effective than band aids like weed. They don't really have the foresight in place yet to market it as a tourist drug, which would require growing it by the state, which would require reallocation of funds that barely exist.

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Cannabis is an effective medicine for innumerable conditions, they shouldn't try and market it as a 'tourist drug' at all(this isn't me saying recreational use is bad either, rather not the how the gov should approach it initially at least). From the few docs I've seen on Cuba's approach to healthcare, cannabis would compliment it, if anything…
t. an Epileptic MS sufferer which I'm certain invalidates my observations to a fair number of anons, but there it is…

 No.1080609

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>Why is not Cuba marketing and legalizing drugs?
Now let's see who is behind all this

 No.1080632

>>971557
I escaped in 2017 less than ten days before Obama ended wet foot dry foot.

 No.1080713

>>1079869
I'm talking about hemp though…

 No.1082705

>>1080713
<I'm talking about hemp though…
Anon 'hemp' is just anglo for cannabis(lat.). The only difference between hemp & 'weed'-cannabis is the one manufactured by Anglo w/Hamburger Helper characteristics propaganda…

 No.1082961

>>1082705
Still doesn't explain why if Cuba is effected by these Anglo drug laws, why don't they grow at least what burgers do with below .3 thc stuff? The "hemp" plant has tons of uses the Cuban economy could benefit from.

 No.1082970

>>1082961
Real talk though, the Cubans could make a killing exporting cheap insulin to America if not for the embargo. As with many things, the economic benefits for Cuba are hindered by the American embargo.

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>>1086964
My friend's grandfather in Florida still flies the 26 flag and celebrates it lol no idea how he gets away with it the madman

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Hoy en cienfuegos. Felicidades a todos

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 No.1103017

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Reminder that no one is allowed in the EEUU to express the wrong opinions or else they'll call Marco Rubio and the FBI to look into your wrongthink

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 No.1113910

>>1113755
That is amazing. What is the reason Cuba developed like this? From what I can tell this is far different from other similar experiments, such as the DPRK and Vietnam, yet they're all referred to as, reductively, "Marxist-Leninist". Recently I found out Cuba, as well as Nicaragua, has some connection to a (particularly Latin American?) type of "New Left" in the 50s/60s – could this have something to do with this? I can't find much about this while searching, but it seems this 'LatAm New Left' was somewhat critical of how Marxist-Leninist states had wielded power thus far, and wanted to be less bureaucratic and despotic, for lack of better terms. Do you know what the theoretical influences was in regards to this? How did this movement come about? What were some of the theorists that, say Castro, Che and the Sandinistas took inspiration from outside the "ML canon" at the time?

 No.1114142

>>1113910
Cuba's identity is largely tied to the fact that not one but two large empires have tried to control and steal its resources. To understand Cuba, with or without the revolution, you have to understand Jose Marti and his philosophy which is centered on sovereignty and education. He admired the US but once he arrived in the US and lived here, he became disillusioned with much of it, and found the US to be hypocritical. Cuba views itself much like the US demographically, we are a peoples of all backgrounds, ethnicities, and races. The emphasis on equality for all Cubans has always been a driving idea (though slavery was abolished later) which is why many Cubans look/ed up to the US as a model. However, Marti saw these contradictions in US society, with the US and slavery, and against the beginning of US imperialism, and its attitude towards other American states. He realized the US looked at LatAm not as equals, but as resources.

Once Spain was gone, the US used Cuba as we are all familiar with that part of the story, and Marti was proven correct in his suspicions long after his death. The revolution of course made the US go full mask off towards Cuba, and with several attacks made by the US (Giron, Coubre, etc) the new revolutionary govt felt a localized defense was needed. The CDR is a localized defense force that ensures engagement with everyone in the neighborhood as well as defending the revolution against bad elements.

I hope I explained this well enough. Cuba is very different from other socialist states for numerous reasons. I honestly feel empathy towards Koreans, who like us are one people split in half with the help US agitation and propaganda.

 No.1114232

>>1114142
This wasn't really a reply to what I was asking. Other socialist revolutions also had to deal with multiple imperialist enemies, yet they didn't develop defense mechanisms as well as Cuba did with the CDRs. In fact most succumb to revisionism and either collapsed or reverted to capitalism with very limited state intervention, alike glorified social democracies. Cuba OTOH has maintained not only its DotP but also socialism.
I agree that DPRK has also shown a similar resilience, though I have not read of them having organs similar to soviets or CDRs today, the political structure of the DPRK seems relatively more "commandist" (but maybe I'm wrong and this gets lost in translation).

 No.1114258

>>1114232
>Other socialist revolutions also had to deal with multiple imperialist enemies, yet they didn't develop defense mechanisms as well as Cuba did with the CDRs
There isn't much else to say. I cannot speak as to why other countries failed to develop such defense mechanisms other than their arrogance or incompetence. I already told you why we did. The CDR's integration of people at all levels of involvement in the decision making process played a major role in upholding the current system and not falling like other states did in the early 90s.

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>>971557
it's a social democracy where all of your political liberties are taken away

 No.1153579

>>1114232
Not sure if you are around anon but this book gives a pretty good, objective detailed analysis of the Cuban political system. Structure has changed some with the most recent constitution but most of this is still relevant and may be of interest.

 No.1153642

It'd be better to have a thread about the whole ALBA axis like Cuba-Venezuela-Bolivia-Nicaragua there's not enough to talk about here i think

 No.1153667

>>971557
I'm visiting Cuba in october and I'm gonna meet up with officials in their ministry of education. I'll tell you what its like when I get back. But from what I've heard from Cubans living/working abroad it's a poor country with a lack of basically everything from home appliances to painkillers like ibuprofen. Hospitals are dirty cause they lack the cleaning supplies and patients are fed gruel.

 No.1153788

>>1153667
Interesting how are you doing this trip? Is this an exchange of some kind?

 No.1153811

>>1103017
What are the chances that this retard thinks the cuban exiles le heckin wholesome and definitely not terroristic freedom fighters?

 No.1154143

>>1153811
These exilio-types definitely praise the car bombings against pro-Cuban activists. Whenever you tell them that they are supporting terrorists, they immediately tell you in return they are "patriots".

 No.1154160

>>1153642
There is already a thread about latinoamerica in this board: >>>/leftypol/1080162

 No.1154203

>>1153788
I know a professor emeritus who is in charge of representing the university at conferences in latin america. He's met Díaz canel too but i don't think I'll get to see him on my trip

 No.1154270

>>1154143
So much for "Pátria y vida" lol.

 No.1185060

What's the status of free speech in Cuba? Am I witnessing Miami based astroturf or is their actual censorship? I see people from Cuba online all the time making criticism. The SOScuba types say the embargo does nothing, that the state is hoarding and holding back money wheres the proof of this? What is the central planning of the Cuba state efficient?

 No.1185084

>>1185060
There's open speech for those who don't want counterrevolution, the party isn't sectarian, neither are the CDRs (the real political backbone of the country)

 No.1187247

>>1185060
What are you witnessing exactly if I may ask?

 No.1194169

>>1187247
Cubans talking of all these arrested due to the 🆘Cuba protest. That the embargo isn't really effecting Cuba that bad. They say it's all mismanagement and government pocket stuffing. I want to know what's really happening with how Cuba is managing it's public sector.

 No.1194214

>>1194169
The embargo it's actually that bad, even worse than you may think.

 No.1194232

>>1153667
Eres de latinoamerica?

Also, point to consider, the blockade on Cuba makes getting medical equipment, and medicine, hard to obtain. Before the USSR fell, the blockade situation wasn't as bad as now, but now that we live in the dollar economy, and even doing a bit of commerce with Cuba can get you in the "promotong terrorism" list, it's logic that most nations won't risk that and trade with Cuba.

Also, quite sure the medical situation in Cuba can't be as bad as in some parts of latinamerica.
I used to go to this rural town in Mexico to visit some family, and let me tell you, the only way to treat a real medical situation there it's to travel like 1 hr to the nearest city, and even the hospitals there are not that good, unless you can afford a private hospital, you are pretty much stuck in hospitals where most of the time you won't find medicine, or where they are no doctors to help you.

 No.1196631

I once saw a video of a gusanita claiming that people were actually starving in cuban hospitals, even showing a picture of an activist that died because of malnutrition (but it was only one which and it could've been manipulated).
How likely is this to be true? I could perhaps fetch the video if anyone cares enough, though it was in portuguese.

 No.1196661

>>1196631
Cuba's child mortality is lower than US's, at 4 something per 1000 births vs 5 something per 1000 births. Meanwhile Venezuela which does have starvation problems due to American sanctions is at 25 per 1000 birth. I feel that if Cubans were starving, the child mortality would be much higher due to declining health of the mothers. Cuba ranks high on health indexes even by rather pro-western NGOs. I assume cubans don't eat steaks every day, sure, so by US standards they're "starving", but they don't rank as malnourished for a while since the end of the special period.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CUB/cuba/infant-mortality-rate
https://oncubanews.com/en/cuba/study-cuba-ranked-30th-among-worlds-healthiest-countries/
https://www.globalhungerindex.org/cuba.html

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They're trying to get the protest started up again utilizing the hurricane

 No.1200286

>>1194169
>They say it's all mismanagement and government pocket stuffing.
well this isn't 100% false…there is gross mismanagement. one point of contention is that the govt has allocated alot of social services funding towards building hotels and attracting tourists, but this requires so much investment and building up of tourist zones that locals really can't access. It makes a lot of decisions seem out of touch given the blackouts and food shortage issues.

 No.1200296

>>1200199
I'm fearful this time. They had that protest a yewar or two back, oil facility fire, and the hurricane. Will the be able to hold out?

 No.1200385

>>1200286
They need to quit catering to the Yankee dollar and hop onto the Chinese ship already. They need to take a deng pill and try to boast some productive forces. They might need a Vietnam like economic period with JUCHE like devotion to self-sufficiency and sovereignty. I can live with a dengist Cuba, over whatever America brings. Personally I think they should legalize hemp it'd be big for their economy. They need to find a industrial specialty like Taiwan has, I can think of the medical industry… bottom line CHINA needs to step up here I'm not pleased with China's acts as a "ally".
>>1200296
Me too they really need to get their act together

 No.1229839

I'll be in Cuba very sppn. If anons have any requests for specific inquires to make or things to document I'm open to suggestions. I might be meeting with state ministers too so factor that in

 No.1229843

>>1229839
tell us what the price of aspirin is

 No.1229873

>>1229843
There is no aspirin and that's why I'm bringing a suitcase full of medicine with me

 No.1229881

But sure I'll check some pharmacies anyway

 No.1229914

Is this true?

 No.1229971

>>1229914
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Every-fucking-time

 No.1230324

>>971613
Also Cubans get multiple choices on their ballot.

 No.1230357

>>1229914
Fucking idiots, don't they know the mods here are transgender members of CDRs?

 No.1230393

>>971770
in the 90s too.

 No.1231070

>>1229914
Why yes, we are trans. Personally I'm transitioning from man to overman.

 No.1231119

>>1229839
How's the internet situation?
How's the power situation?
What's the grocery store like (especially if in a rural area)
Infrastructure observations you have.
What's the police presence like?
Do you see visible dissent?
Am asking for Anecdotes basically.

 No.1231136

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>>973159
>the way he holds baby Justin

 No.1231141

>>973141
based bromance

 No.1231157

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>>1229914
The staff of bunkerchan and leftypol were & are overwhelmingly cis male, and intentionally international to help cover timezones (less than half are North American or UK, from memory there are many mods confirmed to be from from Asia, South America and mainland Europe). Somewhat similar to the sites' demographics, except burgers are underrepresented since the last split.

 No.1231159

>>1229914
>>971557
>free penis enlargement
God I wish I was Cubano

 No.1231162

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>>971770
>Fidel Castro was chilling in Harlem in the 60s (during a visit to the U.N.)
I love that this happened. To think that in another timeline, Castro could easily have stayed midtown.
>Fidel’s move to Harlem was especially embarrassing for the U.S. government precisely because it challenged directly the story about race relations that they liked to tell, both to Americans and to the wider world. They sought to frame segregation and institutionalized white supremacy as a regional problem, largely confined for historic reasons to the South.

(was going to attach a video but it's already at >>983009 )

 No.1231673

>>1200385
>They need to take a deng pill and try to boast some productive forces.
That would be a mistake I think. Deng's strategies wouldn't work in Cuba, since the US would have to lift the embargo in order for them to get any investment. All liberalization would do at this point is empower a counter-revolutionary fifth column of petty booj.

 No.1232081

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REMINDER
>I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country’s policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear.
http://opiniojuris.org/2012/04/11/quote-of-the-day/
https://www.macon.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article117587128.html
https://books.google.com.br/books?id=_B9LOCZuDnQC&pg=PA290&lpg=PA290&dq=%22I+believe+that+there+is+no+country+in+the+world+including+any+and+all+the+countries+under+colonial+domination,+where+economic+colonization,+humiliation+and+exploitation+were+worse+than+in+Cuba,+in+part+owing+to+my+country%27s+policies+during+the+Batista+regime%E2%80%A6to+some+extent+it+is+as+though+Batista+was+the+incarnation+of+a+number+of+sins+on+the+part+of+the+United+States.+Now+we+shall+have+to+pay+for+those+sins.&source=bl&ots=t2t2fqnpyS&sig=ACfU3U2MPvpg2Dg-y5vBjaODYzA09Upomg&hl=pt-BR&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjur6vL2-_6AhXEqZUCHbkEBEUQ6AF6BAgEEAM#v=onepage&q=%22I%20believe%20that%20there%20is%20no%20country%20in%20the%20world%20including%20any%20and%20all%20the%20countries%20under%20colonial%20domination,%20where%20economic%20colonization,%20humiliation%20and%20exploitation%20were%20worse%20than%20in%20Cuba,%20in%20part%20owing%20to%20my%20country's%20policies%20during%20the%20Batista%20regime%E2%80%A6to%20some%20extent%20it%20is%20as%20though%20Batista%20was%20the%20incarnation%20of%20a%20number%20of%20sins%20on%20the%20part%20of%20the%20United%20States.%20Now%20we%20shall%20have%20to%20pay%20for%20those%20sins.&f=false

 No.1232086

>>1232081
>Cuba was a glowie project from the beginning

 No.1232087

>>972354
Oh no. If this is true its already happening in Cuba. They most have "free" market shills right now there.

 No.1232089

Why dont China help Cuba? Do they even care about international communism anymore?

 No.1232091

>>973159
Never fails to give me a laugh, at least all of them were brunnetes

 No.1232092

>>1232089
>Why China not help Cuba?
https://archive.is/qlUES
And other stuff

 No.1232093

>>1003864
Dude wtf are the chinese doing? Why dont help and finance worldwide revolutions? Why do they think they will maintain their regime without other communist countries? Not Cuba, dude…

 No.1232103

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>>1232086
Using glowie's money to fuck them over is based, yes.

 No.1232108

>>1232093
Forget about this post. They are helping. I was just sad.

 No.1232122

File: 1666305786911.mp4 (1.93 MB, 1948x820, bacon.mp4)

>>1232117
>>1232119

 No.1232210

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>>1232086
>>1232117
>>1232119
>>1232157
>ziggeroid opinion

 No.1232212

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>>1232157
Cuba is one of the staunchest supporters of China wtf are you smoking.

 No.1232468

>>1232157
>Bernie flag
>retarded opinion
yep

 No.1232800

why did cuba remain so poor even after the billions they received from the soviets? shouldn't they be in a much better position after receiving that much help?

 No.1232928

>>1232800
The aid stopped arriving anon, the collapse of the soviet bloc during the 90s also affected cuba drastically as it was one of its largest trading partners

Imagine if the UK suddenly stopped trading with both the EU and the US, thats the type of shit economic crisis the country underwent the last 3 decades
And nowadays cuba cannot easily trade with anyone including china because of the ongoing sanctions

 No.1232937

>>1232928
Sure, but they were receiving help for decades, couldn't they have developed their economy, infrastructure and etc, a bit more? They were still trapped in the 50s and their cities were falling apart during the time they were getting help.
Or am I wrong?

 No.1232947

>>1232937
An economy doesnt simply prop up by having a large amount of investment on it, you have to have a constant route of trade and supply so your investments sustain itself and continue to be productive. This becomes nil when your largest trading partner dies and suddenly, all the demand for your products tanks and supply from foreign nations vanishes because they too, stopped existing

Cuba was very set pre-90s despite the sanctions by the US government, what cuba is now is a much more challenging economic situation than what it used to be

 No.1232958

>>1232947
Ok, sorry about the stupid questions, I'm just trying to understand
I've heard people compare Cuba to Taiwan and how even though both are small islands, one developed and the other didn't, and they blame socialism for that, how do you see this?

 No.1233122

>>1232958
NTA but Cuba is almost entirely blocked off from a massive portion of the world economy because the US bars American citizens and businesses from trading with Cuba. Meanwhile Taiwan, while not being recognized as a sovereign nation by the US, has had massive amounts of American investments pumped into it since the 50's. Even more importantly, the PRC also trades with Taiwan, even more than the US. Over 40% of Taiwan's exports are with China.

Another thing that sets Taiwan apart is that an insane portion (like, over 70%) of its export products are electronics, over 36% being circuitry (a very hard product to specialize into which Taiwan is a key producer of now). Ever since the 80s, when they got the chance to specialize into electronics, their gdp has increased more than tenfold. They were only able to specialize that much in such a niche sector due to some very specific circumstances (their geographical position being one of them). Cuba didn't have access to those conditions. While Taiwan had was able to profit from the burgeoning global computer market, Cuba was still heavily dependent on the USSR for financial and military support, and the USSR was spending this decade crumbling apart.

TL;DR: Taiwan only managed to get as developed as they are now because of incredibly specific conditions that weren't available to Cuba; before the 80s
Taiwan was economically just as weak if not weaker than Cuba. Pretending that they can be used for a capitalism vs socialism debate because they're both politically isolated island states, as if they exist on a remotely even playing ground is a pretty desperate propaganda move.

 No.1233190

>>1233122
Thanks! Just one more thing: what is the difference between the US investment in Taiwan and the USSR aid to Cuba?

 No.1233194

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>>1232958
>I've heard people compare Cuba to Taiwan and how even though both are small islands, one developed and the other didn't, and they blame socialism for that, how do you see this?
Cuba and Hispaniola are both islands. Even Dominican Republic has a lower GDP per capita than Cuba let alone Haiti. It's just a retarded comparison.

 No.1233283

>>1233190
For one, the US was able to establish a military presence on Taiwan while the USSR's military presence on Cuba was always quite limited since America would immediately raise hell if the Soviet got too close to their borders (see: Cuban missile crisis).

As far as financial aid goes, the key difference is that Taiwan's geographical location gave them access to America's allies/sattelite states in Asia (South Korea, Japan, and to a lesser degree Indonesia and the Phillippines). Meanwhile, the Cubans had to rely on allies that were half a world away, most of which didn't have exactly stellar economies themselves. The USSR and arguably East Germany were the only Warsaw Pact countries with their economic affairs in order, and China had too many internal problems to be a very reliable financial ally. Cuba's actual neighbours, meanwhile, were all far-right hellholes like haiti under Papa and Baby Doc.

This all basically meant that while Taiwan received aid in addition to them being able to integrate within an economic-military network of relatively developed allies, Cuba was left much more isolated, with almost exclusively the USSR to aid it and most of its other allies unable to do much to help it. Meanwhile the USSR was barred from helping Cuba to the best of its abilities as they needed to make sure they didn't piss off the Americans too much.

 No.1233452

>>1233283
doesn't cuba trade with other latam countries like brazil?

 No.1233598

>>1233452
They do, but it makes up only a very small portion of their total exports: just 17.5 million dollars out of a total of 1.15 billion, so somewhere around 1.5 percent of their total exports.

IIRC, this stat is so low in large part because latam nations depend quite heavily on trade with the US, which gives the Americans a lot of leverage to discourage them from trading with Cuba.

 No.1233843

This is me >>1153667
>>1185060
>free speech
In public people criticize often but you won't see real criticism on TV or radio. Available TV stations are the few national Cuban stations, Telesur, RT, and CGTN.
>>1231119
>internet
Internet is hard to come by. I haven't come across a single free wifi zone & where wifi is available it must be purchased hourly, even in hotels. I'm lucky enough to stay at a hotel (Hotel Nacional) where its included without extra charge.
>electricity
In Havana there are about 4h of blackouts every day during morning working hours and in the provinces (according to the Cuban viceminister of exterior affairs who told me this) there can be 8-12hr blackouts or longer - again during the day.
>grocery
I've only been to one and I didn't take photos so I'll update with better information tomorrow, but it seems they mostly stock essentials such as rice, beans, cooking oil, flour. Other goods including bottled water seem to be in shortage so they're on a first-come-first-buy basis.
>infrastructure
Roads are full of potholes and are generally pretty bumpy. Buses arrive too infrequently to be a practical transportation method. Gas shortages are frequent and it's easier to buy on the black market than at a gas station.
>police presence
There's a light police presence, less than in any European country.
>visible dissent
None whatsoever except for people complaining about the country's problems.

I'll add a few things.
>currency
The CUC has been abolished and now everything is priced in the same pesos—but there are three different exchange rates for the Cuban peso: the state exchange rate of 24:1 pesos to euros, the semi-official cash-only exchange rate which you can find at some exchange offices of 112:1, and the black market exchange rate of 160:1. That means that a piña colada, which costs 175 pesos at the Hotel Nacional, costs €7.30, €1.56, €1.09 respectively. You get charged the state exchange rate when paying with credit card so it's pointless to use it unless you're being charged directly in euros. Euros are accepted as payment at some places but US dollars are not.
>state privileges
Working for the government gets you some privileges for sure. I've been able to see this firsthand since I'm there as a guest accompanying someone who's on official business. First of all the ministries have their own fleet of taxis and chauffered cars that are much cheaper to use than private taxis. I hired one of their chauffers to drive me around on demand from morning to night for four days and it cost me €40. Lodging is much less expensive if you have connections: it cost me only €90 for four nights at the Hotel Nacional when my class of room normally starts at €125 a night.

I've had two dinners and a lunch with state ministers and so far I haven't had to pay a cent for any of it. The bill doesn't exist. I can expand on this if anyone's interested.
>>971768
If the embargo were lifted, the primary beneficiaries would be ordinary Cubans whose lives would actually be transformed by the flood of hard currency and consumer goods into the country. The importation of spare parts, construction materials, medicine etc. would resume and public services would once again begin to function normally.
>>1194232
>health
The medicine situation is worse now than even just two years ago. Apart from the usual scammers and beggars, there are actually people begging for medicine. I've been asked for paracetamol. The blockade is truly cruel and designed to inflict as much damage as possible on regular Cubans.

That said there's not much of a delay to get medical attention from a doctor. Earlier today someone I met wasn't feeling well and she was able to get medical attention in just two hours from the time that she requested it.

 No.1235024

>>1233843
>grocery update
There are long lines at state subsidized stores & there are soldiers with assault rifles guarding the entrances. It's more or less impossible to buy cigarettes unless you know someone cause they go out of stock really quickly. Alcohol & cigarettes are usually bought on the black market from profiteers. Water is also scarce & tap water is not safe to drink.

 No.1235046

>>1233843
>>1235024
Interesting posts.

Is the black market “unofficially tolerated” or what is the attitude of the state toward it?

Would you say the officials you met were convinced communists? What is the general attitude toward socialism?

 No.1235059

>>1233843
Do the people there blame communism for the embargo's/country's problems?

 No.1235062

>>1233283
Does Russis trade with Cuba still? What would happen if they send them a bunch of supplies like medicine, I could see it being a good retaliation against the burgers for shit theyre doing in Ukraine. But then Cuba will get caught in the crossfire again

 No.1235145

>>1233843
I've heard stories of people searching through trash bags for food. Did you see anything like it, or do you think this claim is credible?

 No.1235219

>>1235046
The black market is well known and openly used by state employees including my chauffeur. I've been able to pay with dollars and euros at almost every place I've been to and despite police presence nobody's said a word against it.

The minister of higher education had a gold Rolex watch & wouldn't stop talking about the quality wines & other bourgeois shit that he got on diplomatic trips. I don't think he's a very good communist lol. I think socialism isn't taken very seriously because it doesn't really exist in Cuba, and it's not a realistic prospect given the desperate supply situation whose resolution depends on foreign investment. However, there's definitely a pro-sovereignty and anti-US mentality. They're not yet willing to sell out to international capital.
>>1235059
No. People blame the blockade and rightly so cause it's obviously the main cause of the shortages & other problems in the country. The government is trying to do the maximum good possible with the available resources and people recognize that. Revolutionary figures like Che and Fidel are held in high regard.
>>1235062
Yeah especially in petroleum. But the majority of imports are now from China including beer. Case in point the bar I went to tonight only had Tsingtao beer available lmao.
>>1235145
No I haven't seen that at all. Food is available at state subsidized shops although there are long lines for it. Nobody's going hungry in Cuba.

 No.1235228

>>1235024
>Alcohol & cigarettes are usually bought on the black market from profiteers.
Weird, I watched a couple Cuban supermarket videos the other day and all the hater vids always made sure to point out how stocked the liquor section was.

 No.1235722

I told my girlfriend that we should visit Cuba, and she said "no thanks, I'm a woman." I asked her what she meant as Cuba is one of the most progressive countries in the world when it comes to gender equality. She didn't give any concrete reasons. I told her that she probably heard wrong or that she was confusing it somewhere else. She is a self-described leftist, but she isn't well read and really swings more lib; she is also pretty susceptible to propaganda about other countries and isn't aware of the level of disinfo when it comes to enemies of the US.

I decided to look for myself and couldn't find anything that would make a woman not want to travel to Cuba. Based on my research, it isn't really different than any other Caribbean or Latin American country when it comes to women, even better than most. Does anybody know what she could be referring to? A lot of the domestic propaganda in the US is aimed specifically a women: shit like supposed forced sterilization of women in China, etc. Sometimes I feel like she doesn't give a shit about what I say about politics; I just want to make her see it differently cause I would really like to visit Cuba one day.

 No.1235753

>>1235219
can I go teach English in Cuba ?

 No.1235788

>>1235219
>>1233843
Honestly disgusting to see how much corruption and inequality there is, and how "communist" party members are alike to bourgeois politicians.
Maybe shit like this is part of why Che left Cuba.

 No.1235791

>>1232093
one part of the explanation
Ships that dock in Cuba are hit by American sanctions, which makes trade difficult.

 No.1235794

So why do Westoids act like a state is not socialist if its people don't think about socialism every minute of the day?

 No.1235795

>>1235783
simpussy gets the libussy

 No.1235796

>>1235794
And you don't think about socialism all the time?

 No.1235878

>>1235788
>disgusting to see how much corruption and inequality there is
So there's nothing to envy to the rest of LATAM

 No.1276449

miguel diaz-canel arriving in moscow


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