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post examples of Wikipedia glowing

* glowie rhetoric/rightoid cope on the talk pages
* sus revision histories
* bizarre rightoid editors
* right wing articles with no leftist counterpart

archive: https://archive.ph/wip/mJOh6


I'm sure you can find tons if you dig more. One of them comes to mind, the supposed Uyghur Genocide citations all lead back to one source(Adrian Zenz). The same guy employed by a conservative think tank in DC, named the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.


Good thread m8. I think an older one existed 6 month ago, but it's not archived. As a sidenote there's a famous example from the 2000s of a guy editing the article on Elephants and removing the content about them being endangered and the like, motivated out of sheer spite to "le climate changers" or some shit like that.


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mhawk - mystery glowie

Grayzone have written a bunch on wikipedia btw



>Mike hawk
<my cock
Funny glowies.


Based. Remember to archive or mods move to edu if it slides off early


Salazar from Portugal has one of the most insanely pro-fascist articles.


Look up on any articles on Vietnam war, especially the shit attibuted to the PAVN. 90% of the sources are hearsay or only mentioned once as an anecdote. I has gotten so bad that extremely anti-communist overseas Vietnamese has to directly ask wikipedia for corrections. Most notably is this:
>In Bùi Tín's 2002 memoir, From Enemy to Friend: a North Vietnamese perspective on the war, the former PAVN Colonel acknowledged that executions of civilians had occurred in Huế. However, he added that under the intensity of the American bombardment, discipline of the troops disintegrated. The "units from the north" had been "told that Huế was the stronghold of feudalism, a bed of reactionaries, the breeding ground of Cần Lao Party loyalists who remained true to the memory of former South Vietnamese president Ngô Đình Diệm and of Nguyễn Văn Thiệu's Democracy Party."[39] Tin explained that over 10,000 prisoners were taken at Huế, with the most important of them sent to North Vietnam for imprisonment. When U.S. Marines launched their counterattack to retake the city, communist troops were instructed to move the prisoners with the retreating troops. According to Tín, in the "panic of retreat," the company and battalion commanders shot their prisoners "to ensure the safety of the retreat."[14][39]

>Marilyn B. Young disputes the "official figures" of executions at Huế. While acknowledging that there were executions, she cites freelance journalist Len Ackland, who was at Huế and estimated the number to be somewhere between 300 and 400.[14][40]

>Ngo Vinh Long claims that 710 people were killed by the communists. In an interview he stated, "Yeah, there was a total of 710 persons killed in the Huế area, from my research, not as many as five thousand, six thousand, or whatever the Americans claimed at that time, and not as few as four hundred as people like some of the people in the peace movement here claim…."[41]

>The Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci reported, "In the last few days the Vietcong lost their heads and did nothing but make reprisals, kill, punish". However, citing a French priest to whom she spoke in Huế, she also claimed that the death toll of up to 8,000 included deaths by American bombardment, and at least 200 people, and perhaps as many as 1,100, who were killed following the liberation of Huế by the US and ARVN forces.[40][42] Stanley Karnow wrote that the bodies of those executed by South Vietnamese teams were thrown into common graves.[40] Some reports alleged that South Vietnamese "revenge squads" had also been at work in the aftermath of the battle to search out and execute citizens supporting the communist occupation.[10][11]

>The historian David Hunt posited that Douglas Pike's study for the U.S. Mission was "by any definition, a work of propaganda." In 1988, Pike said that he had earlier been engaged in a conscious "effort to discredit the Vietcong."[43]

>In a letter to the editor of the New York Times, the historian Gareth Porter stated that there was little evidence that the communists carried out more than "several hundred" political executions and revenge killings in Huế, with only U.S. official assertions identifying all of over 2,800 bodies found as "victims of Communist executions." He alleged that the site of one set of mass graves was also the site of a major battle in which some 250 communist troops were reported killed in U.S air strikes and that Saigon's minister of health, after visiting burial sites, said the bodies could have been communist soldiers killed in battle. He dismissed Pike's claim that there were communist blacklists of students and intellectuals to be killed as unsupported by interviews and captured communist documents.[44]

>The historian James Willbanks concluded, "We may never know what really happened at Huế, but it is clear that mass executions did occur."[14] According to Stanley Karnow, "Balanced accounts have made it clear, however, that the Communist butchery at Huế did take place—perhaps on an even larger scale than reported during the war."[45] Ben Kiernan's 2017 history of Vietnam acknowledges that "thousands" were killed at Huế in "possibly the largest atrocity of the war."[12]

Notice how a lot of sources in support for the supposed event are made way before the US pulled out of Vietnam?


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Completely made-up Soviet "extra scary super murder death camp" that existed only in gulag folklore. It's so blatantly fictional that the Russian article for it has been deleted even though Russian wiki is also dominated by anti-communist bias. Still alive and well on English wiki though.


> Between 108 BC and 1911 AD, there were no fewer than 1,828 recorded famines in China, or once nearly every year in one province or another.
> only four Famines get a Wikipedia page

> 10 Million people die = they get four lines of text


> 45 million people die in 1810-1811, & 1846-1849 = they dont even get there own wikipedia page

> (these people died due to Capitalism because of there being more profit in growing Opium rather than food the people).

> Famine causes the entire Ming dynasty to collapse = No Wikipedia Page


> A Single famine happen during Communist leadership before they had fully industrialized, killing less than 4 million (see the first book ive attached)

> Wikipedia claims ∞ Gorillion people dead
> Claims people who were never born count as deaths
> Equating anyone who died during the three years as dead from famine
> Endless paragraphs of text
> 130 references
> 24 recommended further reading books

the absolute state of Glowpedia..

There was a Based Editor that managed to add these three refernces tho:
> According to historian Mobo Gao, those who are anti-Communist want to stretch the death toll number as high as possible [24]
> Yang Songlin (杨松林), researcher at the Development Research Center of the State Council in Henan, estimated that roughly 2.6–4 million people died during the famine years.[25]
> Sun Jingxian (孙经先), scholar in applied mathematics and professor at Shandong University, concluded an estimate of 3.66 million "anomalous deaths" during the famine years.[26]


I recommend everyone to watch this video by bad empanada. It doesn't go into how glowie presence in wikipedia, but more about the biases of how for controversial issues (specifically holodomor in this case) there is a clear difference in the quality of sources between the two sides of the argument. They literally cite a speech to present the arguments for that the holodomor was a genocide, while citing articles by actual historians to present the argument that it wasn't a genocide.



Kek it is really funny. I went down my own Wikipedia source rabbit hole and WHOOOOOO BOY

>Cross-straits relations page

>"Deng Xiaopings interpreter openly called DPP voters mixed race and called for their extermination once PRC took the Island over"
>Source: New York Times
>I click the article
>The article sources a tweet
>I click the tweet
>The tweet sources an article in the French "Le Monde"
>Using my rusty french I find that articles source
>Its another tweet!
>That one is linking RADIO FREE ASIA
>their source:
<anonymous insider sources


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>"Philip Cross" has made hundreds of thousands of edits to Wikipedia pages. But in the process he's angered anti-war activists and critics of British and Western foreign policy, who claim he's been biased against them.

>But it's what he edits which has preoccupied anti-war politicians and journalists. In his top 10 most-edited pages are the jazz musician Duke Ellington, The Sun newspaper, and Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre. But also in that top 10 are a number of vocal critics of American and British foreign policy: the journalist John Pilger, Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn and Corbyn's director of strategy, Seamus Milne.

>His critics also say that Philip Cross has made favourable edits to pages about public figures who are supportive of Western military intervention in the Middle East.



>As detailed in part one of this series, Wikipedia founders and the Wikimedia Foundation have done nothing to address the fundamental corruption of the internet encyclopedia they oversee by a gang of hyper-partisan censors.

>That might be because the founder of Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales, and the executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation, veteran US regime-change operative Katherine Maher, share the interventionist and corporate agenda that disproportionately powerful, neoconservative-oriented editors advance under their watch.

>Born from seemingly humble beginnings, the Wikimedia Foundation is today swimming in cash and invested in many of the powerful interests that benefit from its lax editorial policy. The foundation’s largest donors include corporate tech giants Google, Microsoft, Apple, and Craigslist. With more than $145 million in assets in 2018, nearly $105 million in annual revenue, and a massive headquarters in San Francisco, Wikimedia has carved out a space for itself next to these Big Tech oligarchs in the Silicon Valley bubble.

>It is also impossible to separate Wikipedia as a project from the ideology of its creator. When he co-founded the platform in 2001, Jimmy “Jimbo” Wales was a conservative libertarian and devoted disciple of right-wing fanatic Ayn Rand. A former futures and options trader, Wales openly preached the gospel of “Objectivism,” Rand’s ultra-capitalist ideology that sees government and society itself as the root of all evil, heralding individual capitalists as gods.

>Wales described his philosophy behind Wikipedia in specifically Randian terms. In a video clip from a 2008 interview, published by the Atlas Society, an organization dedicated to evangelizing on behalf of Objectivism, Wales explained that he was influenced by Howard Roark, the protagonist of Rand’s novel The Fountainhead.


>Maher subsequently moved over to a position as an “innovation and communication officer” at the United Nations Children’s Fund, UNICEF. There, she oversaw projects funded by the US Agency for International Development (USAID), an arm of the US State Department which finances regime-change operations and covert activities around the globe under the auspices of humanitarian goodwill.

>Soon enough, Maher cut out the middleman and went to work as a program officer in information and communications technology at the National Democratic Institute (NDI), which was created and financed directly by the US government. The NDI is a central gear in the regime-change machine; it bankrolls coup and destabilization efforts across the planet in the guise of “democracy promotion.”

>At the NDI, Maher served as a program officer for “internet freedom projects,” advancing Washington’s imperial soft power behind the front of boosting global internet access – pursuing a strategy not unlike the one used to destabilize Cuba.

>The Wikimedia Foundation CEO says on her LinkedIn profile that her work at the NDI included “democracy and human rights support” as well as designing technology programs for “citizen engagement, open government, independent media, and civil society for transitional, conflict, and authoritarian countries, including internet freedom programming.”



All articles about the Holodomor basically go against the mainstream consensus amongst historians and their sources are very obscure.

The DPRK article is basically just make-believe with people writing in whatever they want.

The article about when Afghanistan was ruled by communists is absolutely horrible and basically just shills for the Mujaheddin.

The article about George Galloway is an insanely long compilation of unhinged smearjobs.

Holy shit I am not the only one who noticed this. The article about the Estada Nuvo is completely insane, it's basically being praised as some comfy tradcath utopia with huge economic success. At least when I checked the article about 2 years ago, don't know if it changed.


When I was in school, our teachers were very adamant about Wikipedia not being a source. Has that changed recently? I've noticed that Wikipedia starts becoming very authoritative, you are quickly dismissed as a "conspiracy theorist" if you say that Wikipedia is not a legit source to be relied upon.


>Documentary evidence of the existence of the prison has not yet been found. However, there is no evidence of official scientific expeditions and excavations at the supposed site of the prison.



Anybody wanna debunk this article? I remember that the island doesn't even exist when people tried to look it up.


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Pol Pot
> Pol Pot born Saloth Sâr was a Cambodian revolutionary and politician who governed Cambodia as Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea between 1976 and 1979.
> he was a champion of Cambodian sovereignty in the face of Vietnamese imperialism and stood against the Marxist revisionism of the Soviet Union.
> Chandler described Pol Pot as one of "the visionary leaders of Cambodian history" for his attempts to radically transform the country.[452]
> Thiounn Mumm, who saw him often in this period, ''He was a revolutionary twenty-four hours a day, and when he slept, he dreamt about revolution."
> he was "able to communicate naturally with people of all sorts and conditions, establishing an instinctive rapport that invariably made them want to like him".[446] Many observers commented on his distinctive smile.[446] when meeting with people, Pol Pot displayed an apparent warmth.
> Short referred to the Khmer Rouge as "the most radical revolutionary movement of modern times".[394]
> Pol Pot suffered from insomnia[153] and was frequently ill. As well as having a love of traditional Khmer music,[394] in childhood he became interested in romantic French poetry, with the work of Paul Verlaine being among his favorites.[33]
> Internationally, his movement received support from such countries as China, Thailand, and the United States during that conflict because they saw it as a bulwark against Vietnam and thus Vietnam's key ally, the Soviet Union.[466]

> A number of cult activities and practices have been observed around Pol Pot's grave.[472] (see the first Image)

Who The FUCK wrote this article??


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> Pol Pot read the anarchist Peter Kropotkin's book on the French Revolution, The Great Revolution. From Kropotkin he took the idea that an alliance between intellectuals and the peasantry was necessary for revolution; that a revolution had to be carried out without compromise to its conclusion to succeed; and that egalitarianism was the basis of society. [62]



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> The US State Department published a communiqué in January 2006 that stated claims the United States ordered, supported, or authorized terrorism by stay-behind units, and US-sponsored "false flag" operations are rehashed former Soviet disinformation based on documents that the Soviets forged.[21]


> The United States (U.S.) voted for the Khmer Rouge to retain Cambodia's United Nations (UN) seat until as late as 1993.

> There have also been related allegations by several sources which claim that the U.S. directly armed the Khmer Rouge in order to weaken the influence of Vietnam and the Soviet Union in Southeast Asia.
> In 1998 former U.S. National Security Advisor (NSA) Zbigniew Brzezinski acknowledged that "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot''
> These allegations have been disputed by the U.S. government


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>Who The FUCK wrote this article??


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I figured that you'd be monitoring this thread since you have mentioned wikipedia before as being very biased in favor of male editors. Do you have any theories about what could be done to either salvage wikipedia or scrap it (gang scrap) via plagiarism to create a better encyclopedia on a different website?


I think that guy that founded/ owns it some type of lolbert glowie can’t remember his exact name or glowing status offhand though.


Are you involved in the community or something?


Could you possibly give some overview of exactly how the process of citation works, what kind of claims demand citation where you will see the famous “citation needed” and, what is counted as a credible citation?


>Ed Milliband reject
What the fuck lmao.

Why is it that I am even less impressed when a randroid turns out to be nothing but a boring ass centerist instead of some insane blood drinking techno- fascist transhumanist or something


And in your opinion, somebody like Adrian zenz gets through this process how?



>Could you possibly give some overview of exactly how the process of citation works, what kind of claims demand citation where you will see the famous “citation needed” and, what is counted as a credible citation?
>All of them
Not strictly true, but yea more or less.


>When I was in school, our teachers were very adamant about Wikipedia not being a source. Has that changed recently?

No. My teachers were adamant on it too, however they were all nuanced enough to stress that it could be used as a way to find more sources, that is, by scrolling to the bottom of the article and using the bibliography as a suggestion of what books to check out. This is the part I think has changed. Wiki editors are very stringent at making sure hard STEM articles aren't cluttered with nonsense sources, but any article about communism-adjacent subjects will allow The Economist of The New York Times to be more authoritative than a scholarly historical source.

> you are quickly dismissed as a "conspiracy theorist" if you say that Wikipedia is not a legit source to be relied upon.

I've seen it go both ways online. People tend to just say whatever fits in the moment. If you're arguing with someone and you use wikipedia, you'll be scoffed at, but if you're arguing with someone and you don't believe wikipedia, you'll also be scoffed at. Whatever helps them "win."


The Uyghur Genocide one is honestly fucking ridiculous, I was on that talk page from day 1 trying to fix the hilarious bullshit bias on the page using the literal primary sources (the original Chinese documents), the fuckers literally claimed that Radio Free Asia had Npov and was "more reliable" than the literal primary source.

Also notice that almost no major organisations, from amnesty to anything, recognise what is happening in Xinjiang as a "Genocide" yet that is what the article is called, simply because the glowtard mods.


i mean for fuck's sake several muslim-majority countries sent delegations and they all decided it wasn't a genocide, either. Then the press moved imperceptibly from the legally-enshrined Geneva-convention definition of Genocide to the Lemkin definition that wasn't ever ratified by any legal body. And the press said all those delegations from Muslim-majority nations were simply ignoring the genocide because they secretly wanted Belt and Road money.

There's a clip of a military guy at the Ron Paul Institute saying that the whole reason the USA arms ETIM is to fuck with Belt and Road. They even took ETIM off the terror watchlist.


> In 1998 former U.S. National Security Advisor (NSA) Zbigniew Brzezinski acknowledged that "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot''

Brzezinski was also behind Operation Cyclone. It was in the works *before* the Soviets "invaded" Afghanistan (they were asked to come in by Taraki several times before caving).


>Wiki editors are very stringent at making sure hard STEM articles aren't cluttered with nonsense sources, but any article about communism-adjacent subjects will allow The Economist of The New York Times to be more authoritative than a scholarly historical source.
This is a big problem, where this usually comes from, and i have also been guilty of this, is that when one sees an [citation needed] they will quickly try to fix it with low effort by just ddg'ing for the statement being claimed, the usual place that is going to come up in the search engine that is also going to be accepted by wikipedia is an acceptable source are news websites, leading to a kind of feedback loop of creating bad wikipedia articles because of bad media articles.
The solution to this is simply more wikipedia editors that can contribute more time to actually fixing up articles.
>using the literal primary sources (the original Chinese documents), the fuckers literally claimed that Radio Free Asia had Npov and was "more reliable" than the literal primary source.
Just using primary sources probably hindered you, you know that primaries are not what you should be using on WP and yet here you are claiming the victim for it. kek.


don't secondary sources just editorialize primary sources though? So how would one substantiate a claim if all the secondary sources in your language are propaganda ignoring or distorting the primary source?


>Just using primary sources probably hindered you, you know that primaries are not what you should be using on WP and yet here you are claiming the victim for it. kek.

yeah dude, trust Western media, just straight up spouting 100% fucking bullshit that isn't supported in any conceivable way by the primary source documents themselves. So much better than using fucking Primary Sources.
Also the fact is, any "Secondary Source" that isn't fucking Western Mainstream media or Western Government aligned, is pretty much going to be considered not reliable by Wikipedia.
Fact is, the "Uyghur Genocide" page is filled with absolute fucking bullshit that is 100% fake nonsense if you spent 5 seconds looking at the primary source documentation, yet bullshit like the BBC and Radio Free Asia are treated as more reliable, than the documents RFA and the BBC are "reporting" on.


RFA is laundered like this frequently. Take for instance all the Xinjiang sources on the article about Organ Transplantation in China.


>fuck wikipedia policy! it's just 100 bullshit to blah blah fucking blah
>reeee! why do my changes get delete!
The eternal 3-edits-and-banned brainlet wikipedia editor.


>black flag flair



>wikipedia article on tank man
>only source for claim that tank man is censored in china is a business insider listicle
>someone points this out on the talk page
>it's replaced with NYT
>NYT cites RFA
>they point this out and tag the citation as questionable
>the edit is reverted
>they ask why not just cite RFA, why launder it through NYT
>editors just repeat that NYT is reliable
>chinese article on tank man contradicts idea that tank man is censored in China by also showing contemporary chinese media coverage of tank man when it happened

glowiepedia moment


Of course a fucking Anarchist is supporting policy that puts Western Mainstream media consensus above primary fucking sources. Bet you would have been fine with Wikipedia saying that Iraq had ICBMs ready to nuke the US in 2003 as well.
Fact is, Wikipedia "reliable sources" are pretty much all just Western mainstream media outlets and they consider anything outside that not reliable. Sure I could post that Greyzones reporting on the primary sources, which is accurate, but shock horror, Wikipedia considered Greyzone essentially blacklisted, shock horror.
While claims are still there on the Uyghur Genocide page, that are 100% false, they reference western media outlets, referencing a fucking Zenz report, who's report, flat out fabricates the fucking numbers, in the fucking PRIMARY SOURCE that Zenz himself is apparently "quoting".
It all comes to the Primary source, but because Wikipedia is fucking retarded and biased to fucking shit, you can't actually use the FUCKING PRIMARY SOURCE as a source, where media is making FALSE CLAIMS based on that report.
It's not even fucking Uyghur Genocide article as well, I once was shut down, again, for pointing out that the autobiography of a certain person, did not in fact, say anything of the like of what was being claimed in Western media, and the claims came originally instead, from Israeli intelligence after the fact. Did they remove the claim in the Wikipedia article that the Autobiography made the claim? Nope, once again, bullshit Western reporting, based on an extremely biased literal propaganda justifying a war crime, took precedence, over once again, the literal fucking Primary source.
Stupid ass fucking site, anyone that thinks Western mainstream media secondary sources should be taken as more reliable as the primary sources, is actually fucking retarded. Again, using your logic, Climate Change is fake because Murdoch media says so, which is, shock horror, considered reliable by Wikipedia, the IPCC report be damned right? Oh wait, Wikipedia suddenly has no problem with primary sources when it comes to STEM, I wonder why?


Nobody is saying this you retard.
You are the fucking illiterate to dumb to follow very basic policy then crying about getting deletes.
Actual child. Grow tf up.


Grayzone is an absoloute joke and so are you, cry moar.


lol anarchist being retarded like usual.
The fact is, the Greyzone reported on the PRIMARY SOURCE accurately, Western Media reported a bunch of blatant misinformation, based on the ramblings of a literally insane, extremely sinophobic schizo.
Wikipedia's article, which is still labelled "Uyghur Genocide" despite overwhelming consensus through academia and human rights organisations it doesn't constitute genocide, uses the ravings of a schizo because they're reported by the BBC, rather, than just using the Primary source the Schizo is making claims about.
You might claim it's Wikipedia's "policy" but Wiki's policy then is literally retarded and the site is actually completely worthless.


Average NYT subscriber.


Anarcho-NATO moment


>Wiki cites NYT
>NYT cites radio free asia
wikipedia: this is cool and good

>i cut out the middleman and cite RFA directly to show that they're being glowies

wikipedia: noooooooo change it back

literally had this happen to me. How do you use "the rules" to explain this?


>black flag
>follow policy

damn black flags always become authoritarian at the most bizarre moments


this is a great post that breaks down the problem perfectly and look how the blackflag responded


Can you explain what you mean? I don't agree with everything Max says on twitter but their reports are usually pretty good.


Ignore them, Blackflag poster i either a glowie or a liberal that constantly shills pro-Western nonsense in every subject.


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The userscript WhoColor is great for this. Allows you to color-code each contributor to any given Wikipedia article. Helps with sorting out the bs


>Can you explain what you mean
The grayzone lot are just burgoid propagandists against the dems or whatever, idk i dont follow burger politics a lot. But for example they make retarded claims a lot like how they used to claim russian hackers were a fake invention despite the fact we have a lot of evidence of the *bear groups and such a while back and recently the 'American weaponry biolabs in Ukraiine' meme article. An absolutely disingenuous organization. They're trying to do that 'murdoch news but we're alternative and for the left guiz' shit that burgers are want to do, in fact to labour this point pretty sure they even interact with FOX in burgertown.


>burgoid propagandists against the dems or whatever, idk
SO you admit you don't know what you're talking about.
Grayzone criticizes imperialism and has gone after the Republicans and their activities and revealed the behind the scenes hand-shaking and ideological similarity of them and Democrats such as through NGOs
>they used to claim russian hackers were a fake invention
Because it is a meme, The Saker did an extensive article debunking this liberal hysteria meme that peaked during the "le Trump is Russkie insert" garbage.
>American weaponry biolabs in Ukraiine' meme
And now you're just demonstrating your colors again as a liberoid. The evidence of such labs exists and Victoria Nulands statements confirm it.
>They're trying to do that 'murdoch news but we're alternative and for the left guiz' shit that burgers are want to do
No, that's just your presentation because you're a hypocritical schizo and fed-enabler.


I get the impression you are just reading the headlines of their articles and presuming the body of the text. If there is any grounds for critique of greyzone content it is that they too often rely on matters of public record instead of doing hard investigative journalism. It is hardly the case that they publish falsehoods more often than sources Wikipedia claims are "highly reliable."


>they too often rely on matters of public record instead of doing hard investigative journalism.
In a large majority of their minor articles, but their more informative content (such as Blumenthals deconstruction of NGOs it really goes in to things



jesus christ, this is your critique of the Grayzone's reporting, which they lay out on their website for the record?

I can't think of any other media organization doing classical journalism at their level right now.


>I have no idea about grayzone but I read some headlines that go against democrats, so they aren't trustworthy
Criminal ignorance, absolute distilled burger mentality that not even average burgers have. If you don't know what the fuck you're talking about:

Easy as that.


reminder to register one or more WP accounts and getting involved in countering the glowshit on there


>jesus christ, this is your critique of the Grayzone's reporting, which they lay out on their website for the record?
They are a tiny burger media outfit that lie about very basic shit, why tf would i bother to go and understand whatever camp they are sitting in politically?


It doesn't sound like you've bothered to understand anything about them or bothered to check whether you're correct in your apprehensions. In fact it sounds like you are operating purely on presumption: something like, "Well, I don't read crazy fringe news sources of ANY persuasion, so I'm a pretty scrutinizing fellow." But you forgot to evaluate on the basis of the facts whether grayzone regularly publishes falsehoods, which again I am telling you is not the case.


Part one of an interview with Wikipedia Anarchist editor:


LMAO what garbage, its' literally corporate PR repeating the rhetoric of the site about it being a collective effort and all that other nonsense on top of some "S-see guyz decentralized collective effort!".


>Wikipedia editor
Anarcho-radlib for short.


Technically cancer is also a "decentralized collective effort."


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I understand your point but I dispute the relevance. On matters of fact the Grayzone is a reliable source. They do not publish falsehoods. They are ideological but sources that are regarded as reliable by Wikipedia are also ideological– take for instance the overwhelming consensus that Azov Battalion was a neonazi group before February of this year (sources pictured from this talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Azov_Battalion&diff=1027725828&oldid=1027716196 ). That consensus has turned on a dime and the previously unequivocal characterization is now sometimes dismissed as "disinformation" by the same papers that used the descriptor earlier.

My point is that if the Grayzone reports on a matter of fact then you can be assured of the veracity at least as much as any other paper. When they prevaricate and gesture then you can be assured that other papers have instances of as much prevarication and gesticulation. I would like if they cut out some of their grating rhetoric and adhered to a more professional style of writing but that matter is a red herring: just because the Grayzone's writing is "unhinged" while the New York Times' is "restrained" does not indicate in favor of one or the other being more likely to deceive. All such texts of course need to be read in a critical and scrutinizing fashion.


>They do not publish falsehoods
I already told you they did though.
They were a few years ago pretending that russian hackers are a lie, for example.
I have seen several like this in the extremely small amount of media i have consumed by them, there is no way they are not lyng more.


oh fuck

thanks for the suggestion. What browsers is it compatible with?


Okay put 'em up lets see your sources chief.


>that image
lmfaoooo I love it


Russian hackers were a lie, though, my glowie friend.

>b-but the hackers that leaked Hillary's emails were Russian, maybe, probably

Even if that's the case:

No evidence the Russian government was behind it.

No evidence of any deeper "Russian hack" in the election that the media likes to heavily imply.

The only "evidence" of any widespread Russian influence on anything is the word of CIA and other notoriously dishonest and jingoistic American alphabet soup agencies.


>Okay put 'em up lets see your sources chief.
I read it when it was posted here as 'proof' a few years ago, i do not have the link, you will probably find their lies if you search on their website ('hackers, russian, *bear groups[cozybear, etc, you know the ones] ).

>Russian hackers were a lie, though, my glowie friend.
False. quit coping and just edmit you have been had.
Funny how you pivot to something completelly different to try to back up your lies with an air of authority, maybe you will get a job at Grayzone yourself with shit like this. kek.


Start substantiating your claims anarchoid.



never mind i got it set up after work. based plugin. might post some interesting screenshots later


>Start substantiating your claims anarchoid.
No, faggot. Why should I?
II have 0 reason to lie as i have no skin in this, retard.. f you care enough and don't believe me you can always look it up yourself.


I have which is why we are not in agreement. My brother in Christ, you are operating on presumption and impression alone.


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>Hurr Greyzone bad, listen to muh NATO shills!
<No, present proofs
>N-no I don't have to! Look it up urself
Every time


He toes the line of the Russian state. Such as during the kazahkstan occupation


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I posted nothng from NATO. you lie like grayzone, impressive.


It's still right here, and far from reaching bump limit. Use the catalog, OP:


>shills his vikipedia shit that uses literal NATO talking points and has no real proof or examples about Grayzone
<I-i didn't post anything from NATO, Grayzone lies!!!

No, I'm referring to one much older than that one.

>uring the kazahkstan occupation
As someone from there Russia was the lesser evil in that situation. My relatives still live there and it's a fucking mess full of ethno-nationalists that are pushing antagonistic rhetoric to Russia and it other neighbors (lik Kyrgyztan) similar to the Maidan provocateurs in Ukraine did to Russia and Poland.

LMAO literally an entire section of pages created about "Russia and fascizum" these people really are married to such blatant projection aren't they?


The talk page, oh goodness what a glorious sperg. I didn't know Wikipedia was so full of glowing nerds lol. How can any of it be taken seriously when this shit happens and the discussions are so dishonest? Every time something US-related controversial pops up here you can go to the talk page and see the winning arguments are basically "the MSM says so" and "NU UH your source is not US friendly and therefore not reliable" or stalling corrections while the propaganda stays up.

One funny bit, apparently one Wikipedia *Admin* is very outraged at Russian lack of western values, so much so that he calls Russians subhumans, very European of him tbh.
>@JtLea7 I'm sorry, but you're either wrong, biased, or both. Do you mean "no educated Russian would used that term"? The term has come into fairly widespread use in the English language, especially since Russia's appalling and sub-human outrages in Ukraine since Feb 24 2022. The term 'rashist' is evidently used in mainstream media outlets as far afield as Al Jazeera (see here). We follow what reliable sources say, not what you think you can dismiss as a term only found in Reddit posts.

>It even appears to be causing Putin's Russians quite a degree of angst. There are stories emerging that "Russia's Roskomnadzor requires Wikipedia to delete articles in English" As yet, I see no reliable source to support that Tweet, so it can't go into the article until substantiated. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:15, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

<Hi, I'm Nick Moyes. I'm honoured that in 2020 the editing community trusted me sufficiently to give me administrator privileges here on Wikipedia. I see this additional role as helping our community of editors to grow and to work cooperatively and constructively, undisturbed by bad-faith actions.

<[…]I recently took early retirement, but was Senior Keeper of Natural History at Derby Museum and Art Gallery, where I worked for over 25 years. I also worked in Kirklees at Tolson Museum and Bagshaw Museum, though my first ever museum job was a student post within the European herbarium of the Natural History Museum, London. I have also worked for the CIA and the TA.


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According to this graphic in the article, Russia claims all of China



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What obsessing about Dugin does to a mf


Archive this and send it to Grayzone or MintPress or whoever, bet they'd love to hear about a CIA wikipedia admin, even if it's just to laugh at them


This thread must live into eternity. So instructive to see posters, on /leftypol/, find a reason to criticize the targets of and reporters on western intel agencies.


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>Russia claims Albania


Educated people are aware that wikipedia is a joke, unfortunately less academically minded people think it is some sort of gospel.


Russia claims… Cuba? But doesn't claim previous African ML countries?


>zwastika flown by national socialist russian zigger party


Thanks to this one glowie, I can no longer take any blackflag posters seriously anymore.
Mods, please change it to a fed flag and be done with.


Can't wait to have a Russian style pho in Hanoi


Is it possible to add a little glow around flags with css?


Are you going to shoot up a supermarket


The Grayzone doesn't "shill" for Russia or China. There is no article on their website praising Chinese socialism or saying life in Russia is just dandy. They only debunk lies and claims by the US/UK about those countries or report about movements being hijacked by NGOs and intelligence agencies and they focus on Russia and China specifically because escalation with them in particular bears the danger of a world war.

Their voice is particularly important because many leftists just swallow the narrative not because they investigated the issue but because of ideological reasons (e.g. Russia isn't socialist, so everything claimed about it may be true).

I don't understand people are sad that Ben Norton is gone. His claims were always the one you could poke holes into. For example, when Iran accidently shot down that airplane after Suleimani's death, he immediately claimed it's a psy-op/false flag or whatever without at least waiting 12 hours and not looking like an ass. Some people got mad at Max for writing that lockdown article, but please direct me to a claim that isn't true.


>>shills his vikipedia shit that uses literal NATO talking points
Never happened, COPE + SEETHE
>and has no real proof or examples about Grayzone
why should i, retard? This is like asking 'show me where Fox said climate change didn't happen!!' obviously i am not going to do this because I do not spend my time browsing reactonary news-media, literally time worst spent than shit posting.


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>Because it is a meme,
No it is not, you are a liar.
This was my work, anon, and even when i quit this sector i continued to keep up with it, all your retarding memetics about trump here is purely an attempt to mdudy the waters and lead people away from the very real groups and actors as the ones i mentioned in this.
Your pro-russian z-faggot lies will not work on me.


They do though, I wouldn't be surprised to find out they are funded by Russia and also they are kinda retarded. It's unjust for them to being seen as an unreliable source when radio free asia/europe are allowed on wikipiedia though


>literal Russiagate accusations


Yeah it's interesting that they would spend half of their efforts to debunk russiagate, I wonder which country would benefit from that


The purpose of Russiagate was to enrich the military-industrial complex and elect Hillary Clinton (let us recall the first bombshell was the Steele dossier, a scoop brought to you by Buzzfeed news and containing the infamous "Trump pee tape"). Which is the more likely scenario: Max opposed Russiagate for the reason that US intelligence should not be inventing pee tapes to elect more hawkish politicians, or Max opposed Russiagate because he likes Vladimir Putin?


Somehow there is no genocide in Donbass despite actual facts that there were 8,000 civilians killed in the shellings in the past few years.


>that image
And he’s almost entirely correct whenever he mentions those topics.


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Rare instance of Wikipedia allowing primary sources: Lockheed Martin reporting the effectiveness of the Javelin


>In all of 1972, the PAVN suffered over 100,000 dead, according to The Official History of the People's Army of Vietnam.
<source: Rather than the book itself a review of the book by some literalwho that only mentioned the number offhandedly in 2 fucking lines https://web.archive.org/web/20090207103945/http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/bookrev/pribbenow.html
>1972, when South Vietnamese ground forces and US airpower killed over 100,000 PAVN troops.
<when in the book itself the only line that even have 100k casualties in it on the Easter offensive was the estimated numbers of killed ARVN during the operation
>By mid-June 1972 the strategic offensive by our armed forces and civilians on the South Vietnamese battlefield had lasted almost three months and had won a number of great victories. We had killed or eliminated from the battlefield more than 100,000 enemy troops, more than half of whom were regular troops of the puppet army. We had wiped out or heavily damaged five divisions and 18 regi- ments, shattered a number of strongly fortified enemy defensive lines and posi- tions, and liberated many large areas with a total population of more than one million people. Our main force troops had secured footholds on a number of important areas of the South Vietnamese battlefield. The balance of forces between ourselves and the enemy had been significantly altered. Nixon’s Viet- namization strategy was faced with the prospect of total bankruptcy.
The level of utter academic bankruptcy of Wikipedia is beyond imagination. You have to be a fucking idiot to read this as anything but American wanking.


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Abuse of the "Not to be confused with" feature when the See Also feature is appropriate and normal in equivalent situations.

No similar pages for any other political ruling systems (unless you include pics 3,4), including fascism which even had the Nuremburg trials where "most of the defendants were charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity" [wikipedia].
But of course, as we know, no anglo-saxon has ever committed a crime against humanity. picrel.


>leading to a kind of feedback loop of creating bad wikipedia articles because of bad media articles.
Bad media articles promoted by google. The search itself is very biased.


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I may have found the best-cited Wikipedia article.


It's good to see recent sources from 2020 and 2021 before open war, to kill the "they got better recently" argument.


So change it instead of crying about it like a little bitch?


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> When Relaxed, he cracked jokes and mimicked others.


>russiagate was definitely a thing that happened, anon.
>sources? For my assertions? Are you fucking retarded? Why on earth would you dismiss my claims that have no evidence and instead assume something without proof cannot be taken as fact? RETARD.


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Our guys (Adopt guerillas) used mortars but still couldn't defeat those SAS (those britshit & its stooges were outnumbered without any air support nor artillery)

Too many "citation needed"


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Feel free to correct or add more hoaxes to this shit


>Adopt guerillas
<It's Adoo guerillas, fuck autocorrect

I got it after watch some obscure shit youtube video titled as Battle of Mirbat. Would be very much appreciate if there are more debunking on this shit.


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One of the major editors of various whistleblower and journalist articles and anything else political, "Philip Cross", appears to spend every waking moment of their life looking for things to edit–sometimes things with seemingly no relation to one another in a span of ten minutes or less. And when I say every waking moment, I mean every single day of every week for years. No weekends, no holidays, no breaks, ever. An obvious conclusion is that the seemingly random article edits are to manufacturer good editor history for their main function: smearing critics of the US national security state. All this can be ascertained based on a cursory glance at their edit history page. At minimum they are a paid editor engaging in daily wage labor, but given the incredible regularity most likely they are multiple paid editors engaging in their daily wage labor. This would be a flagrant violation of multiple Wikipedia rules yet nothing is done about it. New accounts regularly get banned for "sockpuppetry" simply for knowing too much about the rules, yet this glaringly obvious example seems to slide with little scrutiny.


There's a fun discussion about this account on wikipediasucks:

<We pulled in the dates from his user contributions page and found that Cross had not had a single day off from editing the site in almost 5 years! (Consecutive edit dates between 29 August 2013 and 14 May 2018.)


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lmao i wasnt even paying attention to that, i just looked and they even have a good source from january 2022 on that image.


There's a page of a Soviet defector whose picture is from some Ukrainian government organisationsdedicated to anticommunism.


Also, I may be misremembering but I'm sure loads of pages on the "holodomor" used to link back to a site called holodomorinfo.com which has charming pictures calling Lenin a JudeoBolshevik dictator.


tfw you assume the worst and work backwards from your conclusion by mining the most reactionary authors for citations


I remember that website. It was a specifically nazi site very similar to smoloko.com or whatever it was called. Probably made by the same people.

If it was linked on wikipedia you should be able to find it somewhere on page history


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good finds comrades


libs unironically think castro was a puppet of khruschev because he agreed to station USSR missiles in Cuba as a defensive posture against US imperialism, but they refuse to similarly see Turkey as a puppet of NATO even though Turkey having American missiles stationed in Istanbul was the true inciting incident of the so called "Cuban" missile crisis.


lmfao this is the most on-the-nose find of the whole thread


>r/thathappened x 100
LMAO ok /pol/ cope more.


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A pet annoyance of mine, the wiki article on Cuban elections used to be half decent, but it was trashed surrounding the gusano flotilla/bay of piglets last year. For a long time it used to cite (among other things) Peter Roman’s methodological study of Cuban democracy, “People’s Power”, which includes witness testimonies and accounts, interviews, various voter data, detailed examinations of the framework of Cuban elections and institutions, the successes and shortcomings of the electoral system, etc. Roman himself spent time in Cuba, observing elections and accountability sessions in person among other things. Surrounding last years events, much of it was axed in favor of calling Cuban elections blanket undemocratic, citing Freedom House (a glorified front-organization of the U.S. government, which receives the lion share of their funding from the U.S. government) and a number of other papers which do little more than assert this as a fact, or from which such a broad conclusion does not follow.

Now the article even claims that the PCC is the sole legal party, and that all other parties are banned, which is an outright falsehood. The 1992 constitution recognized political parties, and legal opposition parties of one form or another (including liberal ones) have existed since then, though they are insignificant. While no party, neither the PCC nor any other, may propose, publicly support or campaign for a candidate, any individual person is free to participate in their neighborhood’s open nomination assembly in order to propose any other individual person, regardless of their association or lack thereof with any party, as a candidate for the municipal assembly elections. The assembly, typically consisting of yourself and your neighbors, will vote on who to nominate as the candidate for that particular constituency, and though opposition candidates are generally unpopular, they have been successfully nominated in the past.


The FSB doesn't exist anon and even if it existed it wouldn't do anything at all. Also hacking groups in Russia aren't real and even if they were they are not working with the government.


>the gusano flotilla/bay of piglets
that shit was so fucking stupid

>much of it was axed in favor of calling Cuban elections blanket undemocratic, citing Freedom House (a glorified front-organization of the U.S. government, which receives the lion share of their funding from the U.S. government) and a number of other papers which do little more than assert this as a fact, or from which such a broad conclusion does not follow.

jesus christ dude, the pain

>Now the article even claims that the PCC is the sole legal party, and that all other parties are banned, which is an outright falsehood.

the agony




It's agency farms with puppetry software, probably contractors. Known and reported on since the late 2010s yet they still have credibility somehow.


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Holy fuck.


Churchill's Bengal famine Churchill's Bengal famine Churchill's Bengal famine aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


dust bowl famine what ?.


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The Great Greek Famine
>The Great Famine was a period of mass starvation during World War II, the Allied blockade of Greece & the ruined state of the country's infrastructure resulting in the Great Famine, with the mortality rate reaching a peak during the winter of 1941–42. The great suffering and the pressure of the Greek diaspora eventually forced the British to lift the blockade partially, and from the summer of 1942, the International Red Cross was able to distribute supplies in sufficient quantities; however, the situation remained grim until the end of the occupation.

>Total deaths: 300,000 People

>Consequences: Destruction of the infrastructure and economy


>we have heard a half a million children have died
>worth it


no no no, those famines were done by people doing capitalism immorally. real capitalism has never been tried


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>has a liberal understanding of left vs right
it just keeps happening


>citing literal nazi sites like holodomor.info
>discourse controlled by CIA sockpuppets
>ex-cop neocon power users
>arbitrary prioritization of secondary sources (AKA stenographers of the powerful)
>created by an anglo libertarian
>the same guy behind the uyghur genocide article trying to scrub mentions of azovites
>several examples ITT of editing standards clearly applied unevenly
>several examples ITT of rules being selectively broken to push power-serving narratives

<you think it's not right wing

why? have you even read the thread? are you the same one from earlier going off about grayzone, trying to shit talk again?


rest in piss


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>Freedom House
How do people still fall for these, god fucking damnit.


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Jesus H. Fucking Christ


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Also, this book. I've yet to read it myself, but i think it's promising.


there's an audiobook for this


>Irish famine isn't real
>the thousands of famines under the RoC and Tsarist russia aren't real
Fucking glowgle i swear.
I literally got banned on wikipedia multiple times for editing Vietnam war articles to be more nuanced. Glow more faggot.



It was widely accepted during Victorian times that famines were a legitimate tool of empire. These creatures in the colonies were hardly human, old chap.

The empire became very aware of how this would be seen by future generations, however. They took steps to burn and dissappear any inconvenient people or evidence that would expose their crimes to future generations.

This was going on up as far as the bloody British exit from Kenya.
Burn all the documents. Massacre any witnesses. Start a civil war on the way out. The British playbook.

It's laid out pretty well in this podcast episode about the British exit from Kenya.


It's a great pod too btw,


pdf anyone?




What is the criteria used for pinning this shit at the top of search results?


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>I literally got banned on wikipedia multiple times for editing Vietnam war articles to be more nuanced. Glow more faggot.
I edited the line myself, nobody said shit. You massive fucking imbecile.


give it a month


the market


>it's real


At least the first actual results on google are communism subreddits deboonking that claim
also here is an archive: https://archive.ph/8A36U


Here is a deleted page that will really make you think
>Franco Albrecht is a former German Bundeswehr Oberleutnant belonging to the Franco-German Brigade. He is suspected of carrying out one or more 'false flag' attacks in the Day X plot — a domestic right-wing terror plot. His case led to investigations about a nation-wide army-based Neo-nazi network in Germany.[1] Franco Albrecht, soldier Maximilian T., student Mathias F. and eleven other persons were suspected members of the group.[2] Albrecht was also a member of the far-right "Hannibal" chat networks, whose constituent groups and members also prepared for "Day X".[3]


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>mike hawk
>my cawk
good 2 know glowies have the same sense of humour as frat boys
langley really hiring the best


>he described himself as an anti-fascist
YOOOOO evola was antifa??


He famously said during his trial that he wasn't a fascist, but a super fascist


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>Super fascist


I remember reading one article which i think was about the kartogas (or whatever they were called), and it was filled with:
>citation needed
>circular citation (citing another wikipedia article as a source)
>the fucking black book of communism
It was like they were purposely trying to make themselves look bad.


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this guy responsible for 70% of the pol pot article alone

turns out a small handful of people are massively responsible for all of wikipedia's sociopolitical content


Time to bump this thread with yet more wikiglow, this time courtesy of the Saudis



mm yess

very balance

much impartial



<The entire article full of hearsay bullshit
<no sources whatsoever for the Soviet part


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BELLINGCAT is realiable


i can say hazing has been common in nearly every military on earth. hazing is a problem with martial traditions in general regardless of political economy. turns out when you get a bunch of guys together for the sole purpose of learning how to kill, they can be kinda mean to each other lol. you're right though that wiki probably exaggerates this for specific militaries. Although I did read a bit about hazing in the soviet army during the soviet-afghan war somewhere once


i like how the description ends on the note that it glows but offers no retort. the NED is a CIA front group and has been since the church committee made less practical for CIA to do direct coups


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So are RFA and VOA lol.


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Wikipedia is an outlet of political liberalism and anticommunism. Its pages on left wing history are biased (extremely in some cases) and filled with references to anticommunist propagandists and authors like Conquest, Rummel, Applebaum, Courtois, Werth, even known liars like Timothy Snyder and Sebag Montefiore get a free pass. Wikipedia presents a distorted, one sided view of history and I strongly suggest avoiding it when studying communism. That a page for "Mass Killings under communism" exists and at the same time "Mass killings under capitalism" was banned should be a hint

There's a lot of very committed biased editors that are pro-capitalism or outright reactionary: https://wikipedia.fivefilters.org/
Also the founder is a hardcore Randian. Groups of moderators and admins talk with each other to manipulate the truth, kick people, ban people, rewrite and lock articles according to their believes. They coordinate to get the "democratic vote" in their favor, which succeeds in 99% of the time as they can mobilize 20 buddies, while you can't.
It pretends to be democratic, but in reality it's a strictly controlled environment when it comes to anything political or cultural.

this page has a pretty comprehensive summary of all the problems with Wikipedia: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia/Problems
describe how french wikipedia is a cesspool of far right historical revisionist

TL;DR: Wikipedia is a terrible primary source since it is not peer reviewed and only poorly patrolled for vandalism by people who are furthering an agenda other than producing an accurate free encyclopedia for the public. All kinds of IDPOL and partisan US politics are the primary motivating factor for most of the senior editors.


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Bill Binney, the former technical director of the NSA and whistleblower, put together a forensic analysis on Consortium News about the DNC leaks in 2016 that demonstrated conclusively that the files could not have been downloaded over the internet due to basic limits on internet infrastructure and that the timestamps on the files indicate they must have been physically copied onto an external media drive. For the past five years now he has been smeared on his Wikipedia page as some kind of right-wing lunatic. This has been accomplished through the systematic exclusion of the many left and progressive news sources Binney had been interviewed on and it's not even allowed to cite his own reports as sourcing for statements he has made. Instead, on the topic of DNC leaks, a single hackjob by Computer Weekly is cited where they outright lie about Binney disowning his own analysis (you can find him personally disparaging that Computer Weekly article if you look for interviews around the time). You can read about this here:


This is only one example, but the same general treatment is given to any former intelligence officials who have gone too prominently against state-corporate media narratives. Ray McGovern's Wikipedia page is full of bullshit too where his position on Russiagate has been deliberately inverted by the systematic exclusive of his own words and the inclusion of hackjob sources that have smeared him.


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Atlantic Council guy busted for turbo-editing Wikipedia to push negative narratives about China:
They use bots and paid admins to ensure that neoliberal, anti-communist talking points are preserved and encouraged on Wikipedia. They are ghouls that manufacture narratives for the benefit of the global elite by controlling one of the biggest sources of information on the internet.
The user Amigao in his edits is fanatically pro-Israel, having written on CGTN’s article that it is “Anti-Semitic” for having discussed the Israel-lobby during the 2021 Israel-Gaza crisis, and guess what? Peter Schechter just happens to be a visiting professor at Israel’s Ben Gurion University and sits on its board of governors.


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Check out basically any communism-related article - it's full of bullshit sources, and when it's not, it's academic papers you can't access without paying. And then those academic papers link to bullshit sources anyway.


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More like Super Fed


Wikipedia is a far more reliable source than random leftypol threads that nobody looks at except for 200 e-celeb worshipping retards.


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thanks for the bump


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>even known liars like Timothy Snyder and Sebag Montefiore get a free pass.
reminder that montefiore flew on the pedo plane


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Reminder that this is the guy who got 5 year prison sentence for giving a talk at a cryptocurrency conference in DPRK, or what the US says was 'aiding DPRK to circumvent sanctions'. His tool Wikiscanner was the first to confirm CIA (and a slew of other intelligence agencies / state defense departments of various countries) editing Wikipedia entries extensively.


He renamed is wikiwatcher, but the site is no longer online, nor is his personal site virgil.gr (archived above)

Apparently, wikiwatchdog is an attempt at reconstructing wikiscanner(?) Not sure, but their site isn't even online anymore either. I haven't checked out the github, but ill link to it also:

Article about his arrest/sentencing:

Presentation about Wikiscanner:

I think this is something we should spend more time looking into to see if there is still an operational version out there we can use. Maybe one of you codemonkeys check out the github of that wikiwatchdog attempted clone?

Excerpt from the original 2007 wired article (pdf related):
>The result: A database of 34.4 million edits, performed by 2.6 million organizations or individuals ranging from the CIA to Microsoft to Congressional offices, now linked to the edits they or someone at their organization's net address has made.

>Some of this appears to be transparently self-interested, either adding positive, press release-like material to entries, or deleting whole swaths of critical material.

>Voting-machine company Diebold provides a good example of the latter, with someone at the company's IP address apparently deleting long paragraphs detailing the security industry's concerns over the integrity of their voting machines, and information about the company's CEO's fund-raising for President Bush.


OP here. based post. I never thought this thread would catch on with so many resources and effort posts. my sincerest thanks


This is the guy that got in hot water with the Spanish DPRK guy we had a thread on a while back


did someone save the pics someone posted about ED's admin being a former fed (before ED was a thing) and ED sharing servers with wikimedia foundation


Blessed OP. This thread should be mirrored in other places.

Never realized DPRK crypto guy exposed agency wikipedia editing a couple of years ago. Explains a lot.


Wait, you don't think Grayzone editorializes? I thought the consensus was that they obviously editorialize but it is ultimately in service of an anti imperialist worldview


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Wikipedia being honest for once, or at least, as honest as it can get.


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I followed the github's intrusctions, yet i couldn't get it to work.


This is not very relevant to this thread but I really hate this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptozoology. 80% of the text is basically "waaah this has not been epically objectively scientifically proved and if are interested in this stuff you are a dangerous fundamentalist conspiracy theorist". The article is even locked. Like, shut the fuck up and let people believe in the Yeti you joyless nerds, who cares.


bumping ebin fred


nobody's disallowing your yeti belief. sorry the article is honest about cryptozoozoo being bunk


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>As the Red Army drove the German Wehrmacht out of Hungary at the end of World War II, Rákosi returned to his home country in early 1945 and became the leader of the re-founded Hungarian Communist Party. The Party suffered a crushing defeat in Hungary's postwar free election, at the hands of the agrarian Independent Smallholders' Party. However, at Moscow's insistence the Communists received key positions in the government including the Interior Ministry, while Rákosi himself became a heavily influential deputy prime minister. From this position the Communists were able to use political intrigue, subterfuge, and conspiracy to destroy their opponents piece by piece, in what Rákosi would later term "salami tactics". By 1948 they had gained total power over the country, and in 1949 the country was proclaimed a people's republic with Rákosi as its absolute ruler.
<No source
Looking up salami tactic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing_tactics
>It was commonly believed that the term salami tactics (Hungarian: szalámitaktika) was coined in the late 1940s by Stalinist dictator Mátyás Rákosi to describe the actions of the Hungarian Communist Party in its ultimately successful drive for complete power in Hungary.[2][3] Noting that "salami, an expensive food, is not eaten all at once, but is cut one slice at a time," Rákosi claimed he destroyed Hungary's leading, center-right, Smallholders' Party through a "step-by-step approach … known as the 'Salami tactic,' and thanks to it we were able, day after day, to slice off, to cut up the reactionary forces skulking in the Smallholders' Party."[4][5][6] By portraying his opponents as fascists (or at the very least fascist sympathizers), Rákosi was able to get the opposition to slice off its own right wing, then its center, then most of its left wing, so that only sympathizers ("fellow travellers") willing to collaborate with the Communist Party remained in power.
<From a made up Western dictionary and a website in 2008
>However, according to historian Norman Stone, the term might have been invented by Hungarian Independence Party leader Zoltán Pfeiffer, a hardline anti-communist opponent of Rákosi.
Turns out it was liberals putting words of a fascist in Rakosi's mouth to slander the fair and square election results. What a surprise. I'm no fan of Rakosi but this is just disgusting.


>Turns out it was liberals putting words of a fascist in Rakosi's mouth to slander the fair and square election results. What a surprise. I'm no fan of Rakosi but this is just disgusting.
holodomor is just projection of the brits starving india and china


Just check out the article for Miguel Diaz-Canel, his edit history has several additions of the word "singao" like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1096835445


"singao", what it does mean tho ?


>Implies that someone is contemptible
>Noun form of Spanish singar, means "to fuck"


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>The few survivors[citation needed] recall "Serpantinka" as one of the most brutal sites
Okay, that's fucking hilarious.


>citation needed on the idea that there were any survivors
<no citation needed on the idea that those survivors had opinions

really makes you think


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they glow so hard bros


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Jimbo could just donate a fraction of his money from wikia (or fandom or whatever) and they'd never even have to ask.


The absolute seethe of this editor lmao
>While in each of these areas considered separately there are at least a number of scholarly works, there are few examples of substantial exegesis and fewer still successful applications of Marxian method to the fundamental obstacles to class consciousness today. This is reflected both at the general level of lack of understanding of the social nature of technological change embodied in Marx's theory of the value-form, reflected in widespread ignorance of the detail of the "rational kernel" of Hegel's dialectic[7] whose the principal 'forms of being' Marx used to structure the whole of the work on Capital. His analytical evolution of the relation between subjective and objective development and their qualitative and quantitatively measured forms and functions which make up the logical skeleton in his presentation are almost universally ignored.


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So there are two Belarusian wikipedias. One is in regular Belarusian, and the other is in Taraskevica - a version of Belarusian from before Soviet era language reform. The latter is basically entirely a propaganda outlet for glowed anti-Lukashenko opposition (who want a return to Taraskevica among other things). Just look at their page for Belarus itself - it uses unofficial opposition flag & coat of arms, lists the unrecognized "president" Tikhanovskaya as the head of state and Lukashenko as the "head of occupational administration". Ofc nearly everything else on the wiki is propaganda about the evil Soviets, communist genocide of Belarusians, evil commie dictator Lukashenko etc.

It's ridiculous that something like this is even allowed to exist. Imagine if someone made a "Communist English" wiki that calls the USA "Amerikkka" or some shit and exists solely to shit on imperialist countries. That would be deleted in the matter of seconds. But as long as it's run by glowed color revolutionists in the periphery, that's ok.


Flag of a plundered/easily plunderable democratic Russia! Yay!


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Still too aggressive for Western tastes. This is the true flag of peaceful Russia.


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The "Media of the day" filename template. Notice how they used a Color Revolution for the filename example.


>Here are some quotes I enjoy reading.
Indeed, that is the level of engagement with literature I would have expected.


If this guy works in Langley then his name is much funnier than Mike Hawk's.


>the uyghur genocide page lists "brainwashing" as an attack type


also Radio Free Asia and the Heritage Foundation being used as sources


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please shut the fuck up retard


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>a full 17% of burgers are Qtards
also I didn't imply wikipedia is right, dumbass


What page is this from I couldn't find it.
Also lol @ them making the question as outrageous as possible because the elites being blackmailed pedophiles might get a little too much appreciation. I would give it the YES regardless.


it always seems like the
>"conspiracy theories"
are usually
<exaggerated versions of what is correct.

>A group of satan-worshipping elites run a child sex ring are trying to control our politics
<A multimillionaire named Jeffrey Epstein who owned a private island groomed adolescent girls into becoming high class prostitutes for the political class. They would take private jets out to his island to escape the jurisdiction of their own nations' laws.

>Several mass shootings were staged hoaxes

<The FBI cultivates mentally ill young men for high profile sting operations (as laid out in "The Terror Factory")

>The US never landed on the moon

<The US lost the ability to land on the moon through poor record keeping, the death of a generation of highly trained scientists, and the utter destruction of the public sector

>9/11 conspiracy theories

<Elements of the Bush administration knew in advance about it but allowed it to happen in order to get public support for invading countries the hijackers weren't even from. The attack was arranged by a Saudi multimillionaire who was previously a US asset in operation cyclone.


>over half the people polled are either not sure or believe in QAnon


><Elements of the Bush administration knew in advance about it but allowed it to happen
is it so hard to realize the government sucks at its job? this is the thing with conspiracy theorists man


more like pot calling the kettle black


All but the third are correct. Neil Armstrong?


what happened?


>mhu bumbling empire
read parenti


Is this what we were supposed to take away from this?
>Pruitt has credited his love of knowledge with his mother's stories of growing up in the Soviet Union.


Other than the stuff about Satan the description given there is just true.


A lot of things can happen when a pedophile billionaire winds up dead and his pedophile island gets wiped from the news cycle even though top US politicians and English royalty are on his flight logs.


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and major capitalists


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Don't underestimate upper class being into esoteric shit. They're literally doing the Elizabeth Bathory thing, and pumping their veins with blood of young people.

Even though I am still iffy on that part of the Pizza stuff.


>They're literally doing the Elizabeth Bathory thing, and pumping their veins with blood of young people.
Source? Also, why is it that they must resort to those practices while in fact skincare and healthy diets play in the factor???




Because they don't see the 'regular' as a sufficient source for anything. It traces to the pathology of occultism.


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Someone made this side by side comparison of the English, Ukrainian and Russian wiki page of their disinfo woman


>memes and conspiracy bs
/leftypol/ is over


If you're not tuned into conspiracies as a communist, you don't actually undertand how capitalism works


more than half Americans believe that it was an inside job or "let it happen". At that point you should at least be able to speak openly.
Whats your opinion on JFKs death? Or MLK? You know?


>more than half Americans believe that it was an inside job or "let it happen"
you got proactively deboonked by an earlier post in this thread, more americanoids believe that the moon landing is fake than that 9/11 is sussy


>/leftypol/ is over
Conspiracies are not always Pizzagate tier newbro


what makes pizzagate so allegedly worse than other conspiratard shit like lizardmen?


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It had the entire US news media, all at once, as a monolith, declare that it is false and deboonked. Their proof? Each other's articles saying it is false deboonked. And they all eventually lead to an interview with James Alefantis denying it and saying they don't even have a basement (which was an easily provable lie). They also declared it before the conspiracy fully took shape, and /pol/ was still reading the e-mails. And if all of News Media is so on the ball, who are you to argue? You fucking denying a mainstream narrative, my dude?


So Pizzagate is real and thus all those celebs and Deep State are complicit in the killing of babies, and that leftists must do a fucking nazbol and unite with the "alt-right" (reactionaries actually) to own the libs?
Ok Phil Greaves


>So Pizzagate is real and thus all those celebs and Deep State are complicit in the killing of babies,
>, and that leftists must do a fucking nazbol and unite with the "alt-right" (reactionaries actually) to own the libs?
does not follow from the premises


>does not follow from the premises
What do yoou mean?
I'm implying that "and leftists must support it, eventually uniting with reactionary faggots?"
Should a socialist go to their save the children marches, if it is real?


> "and leftists must support it, eventually uniting with reactionary faggots?"
"the upper class are twisted pedophiles with bizarre cults and more" isn't even news to the left, hasn't been for hundreds of years, and at no point has it required us to be reactionaries.


she's weird al's daughter right


prove a single thing in any of those 3 videos wrong


in other words, the left-wing understanding of issues like this is fairly straightforward and you don't have to suddenly adopt reactionary talking points or ally with them in some way.

The bourgeoisie are just as much the product of capitalism as the proletariat. Their perversions and twisted habits are an unsurprising development of a class of people who have unlimited power over their fellow humans and, furthermore, in their class interest, see other people only as tools to be used for their own purposes. The answer is to abolish capitalism and overthrow the bourgeoisie because issues like Pizzagate are rooted in systemic problems in the way society fundamentally functions.

This goes the same for a great deal more conspiracies.

This is not the right-wing take on conspiracies, which always, ALWAYS plants these "corrupted /corrupting elements" of "the elite" who are steering society in a "bad way" while the "heroic conservative leaders" are trying to steer society in a "good way".


Lol @ the way he touches his face after laughing like a flustered schoolgirl


>give it a month
<not reverted


>prove that me throwing shit at the wall is wrong


>i don't want to have a conversation about the thing I started a conversation about

glow harder


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Paper tiger doing paper things


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I doubt that media is so well-coordinated and univocal with such things. And also I don't see how pedo shit would be THIS important for them.


provide any actual proof of pizzagate lmao


Excuse my ignorance, why is this controversial?


Just as bad as the furry inflation porn used for propaganda.


Ok prude.


In Phillips Cross related news:

<Wikipedia editor "Philip Cross" blocked from editing for 3 months for violating his post-1978 British politics topic ban. Additionally, he receives a topic ban from all living persons significantly involved in politics.



Expect a replacement account (likely groomed with trivial edit history) to become more active soon.


This. Now that the public has caught onto "Philip Cross's" obvious suspiciousness all Glowiepedia has to do is take symbolic action and repackage the function of "Philip Cross" into a new vessel. Normies can't keep up with these boring developments and people who do look schizo for talking about it


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Your doubt is based on having no long or short term memory.


>you know that primaries are not what you should be using on WP and yet here you are claiming the victim for it. kek.
Why exactly?


(they will never answer this)
Also nice trips


Your examples are of strictly political nature. Pedo is not political. I just can't see how reptiloid illuminatis would be defending their pedo tastes with the state apparatus. I mean, kings would do that, any household will, and royal households stretching a state totally would, but in a bourgeous democracy? It's just a gross misuse of common porky resources.


>not posting the OG
still saved tho




Pizzagate came from leaked Podesta and Hillary e-mails during the 2016 campaign?


>[criminal offenses of molestation and teen sex trafficking] is not political
Gonna have to correct you there:
If you want to do it and not be imprisoned, it's politics. Law is inherently political. The state apparatus controls if they will get caught and imprisoned.


Porky is not inhuman, they're twisted people, but still people. And people can be irrational.
Did people seriously memory-hole Epstein and before that Saville?


Got the pic outside the tweet?


Basically Biden's actions as president have led to economic decline and he's being berated for that, so, to deny this recession the US government changed their definition of the meaning for the term to obfuscate the fact that the US economy is dropping in GDP, and nobody but libs are buying it.

In the meantime they're introducing the Manchin-Schumer bill that i going to increase taxes on all oil and petroleum imports into the United States, so everything from plastics to fuels is going up and so charges for gas, diesel, electricity and some food/medical products is going to go up, small businesses are going to have a hard time staying afloat and its predicted 30,000+ job positions are going to be let go.


damage control. classic


In 2009, documentarians John Duffy and Ray Nowosielski arrived at the offices of Richard Clarke, the former counterterror adviser to Presidents Clinton and Bush. In the meeting, Clarke boldly accused one-time Central Intelligence Agency director George Tenet of “malfeasance and misfeasance” in the pre-war on terror. Thus began an incredible—never-before-told—investigative journey of intrigue about America’s intelligence community and two 9/11 hijackers.

The Watchdogs Didn’t Bark details that story, unearthed over a ten-year investigation. Following the careers of a dozen counterterror employees working in different agencies of the US government from the late 1980s to the present, the book puts the government’s systems of oversight and accountability under a microscope. At the heart of this book is a mystery: Why did key 9/11 plotters Khalid Al Mihdhar and Nawaf Al Hazmi, operating inside the United States, fall onto the radars of so many US agencies without any of those agencies succeeding in stopping the attacks?

The answers go beyond mere “conspiracy theory” and “deep state” actors, but instead find a complicated set of potential culprits and an easily manipulated system. Taking readers on a character-driven account of the causes of 9/11 and how the lessons of the attacks were cynically inverted to empower surveillance of citizens, kidnapping, illegal imprisonment, torture, government-sanctioned murder, and a war on whistleblowers and journalists, an alarm is raised which is more pertinent today than ever before.



Before examining the details of the 9/11 plot, it is worth noting the extent to which the CIA, FBI, and NSA have acted to protect members of al Qaeda in the past. The most relevant recent history begins with the 1987 founding of al-Kifah Refugee Center in Brooklyn, a hub for U.S.-based mujahideen to travel to Afghanistan, and later Bosnia.



The Central Intelligence Agency was created after World War II by President Truman for the express purpose of preventing future Pearl Harbors. A little more than fifty years later, that Agency experienced its greatest failure when an attack on domestic soil killed thousands of Americans. Truman was famous for the sign on his desk that read, “The buck stops here.” Given that the 9/11 attack was attributed to Osama Bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization, one might argue that the buck stopped at the CIA’s Bin Laden Station – responsible for all matters Al Qaeda-related – and the manager responsible for it, Richard Blee. Yet his first name appears only a handful of times in the various government investigation reports that have followed, and often in ways so obscure that it's difficult to understand who he was and what he did. His full name never appeared in the mainstream media until one month ago when we released our interview with Richard Clarke to the press and forced the first public statement ever from this man. We’ve titled this investigative podcast “Who Is Rich Blee?” For a decade now, that is a question that hasn’t been so much as asked, much less answered. During the next hour, we’ll get as close as any one has gotten to answering it. It’s a story of secrecy taken to an absurd extreme and the repeated tragic consequences.



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wew lad, what a purge


why does child abuse seem to be an integral part of Anglo-Saxon high society?



Picrel, note, they also deleted the article about the 2014-2022 Ukrainian Civil War and folded it into the “Russo-Ukrainian War”


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Well… duh, it's to upkeep the narrative of russkie orc invadorz!


>A fact encyclopedia deleting facts because they are controversial
<"contributing nothing"
LMAO, A famous US mercenary group is listed as a contact in a terrorists phonebook… that's not important? LMAO.


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Sort of a followup to this, I was looking through which wikipedias have the most articles and stumbled upon this. Russian wiki is more popular than the Belarusian ones in Belarus, and the reason is genocide. Not Russian wiki simply being naturally far more expansive.
Same situation in Ukraine but it bears no special note for some reason.


a "contribution" to wikipedia is defined as "anything which bolsters the narrative supported by the reliable sources." and "reliable source" is defined as "mainstream bourgeois media in imperial core countries."


And another important point of that bulwark against dissent is the "no original research".

>Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.[a] This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support[b] the material being presented.

Which means, in practice that everything MSM says even in passing, unbacked and even if contradicted by facts, is gospel. But there may be facts that contradict the MSM statements. You cannot quote those facts, or their sources, even if they are otherwise admissible. Putting together facts that directly contradict say, a NYT article, is doing "original research". You need some publication, that is, a secondary or tertiary(or worse) source, to put those facts into an analysis and then , in the best of cases you can pit the """reliability""" and the """notoriety""" of that publication against the MSM source. Not the facts, nono, it has to be dragged to a battle of Wikipedia clout which means MSM is almost always more "reliable" and "trustworthy".

That is, if the NYT says the earth is flat and this was of interests to the glow then you'd get at best articles implying there is an unsolved "controversy" and citing the different "views" and warring to blur the lines between opinion and fact and chip away at round-earther edits. A battle of sources in a glow infested bureaucracy.

Here is an example, the editor is quoting :

<Azov's website,

<National Corp's website and official videos
<https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/ interviewing a Bellingcat guy


Eventually, the page takes a tone of citing points of view and just giving better coverage to NATO friendly opinions. But if the narrative hadn't shifted to setting Azov by the side. Good luck chipping at the MSM "Azov is not political or Nazi" with just their own official media admissions to the fact and a few lesser known non-English sources.

Even then there is lots of unwarranted pushback. And even then, the page still cites "both views" as if they were both "claims". The self documented assertions of the top brass of Azov themselves that thy stil consider Andriy Biletsky, who is an open neonazi as well as a political actor as their leader weight as much as some wishy washy opinion piece from english MSM.



hope this won't get deleted entirely if it eventually falls off


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They straight up deleted Shaozhi's Wikipedia page..

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_shaozhi


sorry kiddo, the new york times says he's not notable


glowies are mostly white guys who went to elite colleges (yale etc) so yes you're probably talking about some ex lacrosse player who majored in arabic or w/e


>Revolution of Dignity
imagine being that retarded to think that neoliberal ST means dignity
read this piece by Al-Marhum Andre Vltchek made way back in 2013



The civil war was kinda sparked by Russia annexing Crimea, wasn't it?


There's no deletion log. Are you sure there used to be a page for it?


Russia did not "annex" Crimea. Crimea had a referendum where 95% of the people on Crimea voted to be part of the Russian federation. Ukraine refused to acknowledge this. The people in Crimea saw themselves as Russian. They were not kidnapped by Russia. This is not Anschluss Russian Edition. It was completely democratic and the only reason it had to be enforced with violence is because the Ukrainian government couldn't cope.

Reminder that it was the Soviets that gave Crimea to Ukrainian SSR in the first place.


Yeah you used to be able to click through to here, but now his name just appears in red.


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I've never run into a case before of something not showing up on the deletion log. If a page is deleted, there is usually an auto-generated deletion log. To cover up such a log would probably require collaboration with the admins. I don't think a user could have pulled something like that off.

Usually something appears in red when someone tries to link it but a page has not been created yet. Is it possible that this guy simply never had a wikipedia page? Have you tried making a page for him and seeing if it gets deleted? Making a wiki page is hard and takes some time so It's not an undertaking to take lightly.


>Reminder that it was the Soviets that gave Crimea to Ukrainian SSR in the first place.
The Russians sold Alaska to the US once. Are they going to ask for a refund? That isn't really how post-WWII politics and sovereignty typically operates, especially given that devolutionized movements at the moment aren't exactly left wing either.


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>Russia did not "annex" Crimea. Crimea had a referendum where 95% of the people on Crimea voted to be part of the Russian federation. Ukraine refused to acknowledge this.

address this part


> That isn't really how post-WWII politics and sovereignty typically operates

Yeah. It operates on two rules:

1. Did the global imperial hegemon do it? Then it's ok.

2. Did someone besides the global imperial hegemon do it? Then it's not ok.


yeah i'm kinda of stating the obvious but this is how RFA and such organizations get "information launderered" so to speak. All it take is one random local journal and suddenly it's not RFA saying it it's the "seattle post" or something.Then than opens the way for more and more $$$reputable$$$ sources to repeat it in a vicious cycle. Once CNN says it it's over, it's just fact.


intervention or not but imperialism still kills


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Another banger Mr Pedia!


Even euphemisms won't work? Holy shit
>state department is reliable
>mofa.gov.cn is bullshit


So what's the best way to find out if something on wiki is true or not

What's the method


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It supports my opinion = True
It opposes my opinion = False


Everything political is false. Sources from academia and porky journals and politics is also fakery.


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A curious case


Anyone with sufficient access should remove holodomor here for lack of sources and the fact that it is disputed on WP itself: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll
Also add north american genocide


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It's actually VK, not twitter. It's probably functionally similar to twitter, but with the UI design of facebook.


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i'm so glad people are still bumping this thread


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"We are the mighty" literal fucking tabloid as a source


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sorry sweaty the bourgeois fact-checking institute has rated them as not biased


Research it yourself. Get to primary sources is the only way to be sure. Everything is a game of telephone.


Man even their front page is some shit like "This wholesome american soldier finished his mission WHILE CRIPPLED by pure power of will and patriotism" are they really high on their own stock or just plain lying


what >>1167840 said. wherever WP is spewing porkoid nonsense, go to the sources, check that they actually say what the article claims. see if there are sources that contradict them, which is often the case. once you have a couple, there's various ways to proceed:
* bring it up on the Talk page
* add them as sources in the article text with a line like about the claim being disputed by some scholars
* outright remove the source if the error is egregious enough. then later you can remove the claim entirely due to being unsourced


>So what's the best way to find out if something on wiki is true or not
By being an editor. I know how much the information on any given page is manipulated because I'm frequently writing pages myself.


And? Vandals exist?
Parts of this thread are completely retarded, complaining about shit the admins have no control over.


>* outright remove the source if the error is egregious enough. then later you can remove the claim entirely due to being unsourced

It depends on the article for me but you can just delete it right away if you find it not asserted by the source that claimed to be. supporting the passage.


oh yeah true, that is the more chad option


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>inciting controversy
is that even in the wikipedo rules? lol


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Wikipedia article on Alexander Hamilton casually equating anti-capitalism with anti-semitism when discussing conspiracy theories of Hamilton being Jewish.


It isn't equag the two, it is noting it because the passage is about russian saboteurisim and capitalism.
Another leftypol reading comprehension banger, burger schools must be worse than I thought.


Stumbled onto this article about the destruction of American electrified light rail by an organized cabal from the car industry recently. It's an excellent case study on Wikipedia propaganda for the record books. About seven years ago it was a decent article that catalogued historical fact, but then what appears to be a professional whitewasher came on the scene and relentlessly cleansed the article of neutrality until everyone else got tired and gave up. One of their major sources attempting to undermine the credibility of other historians some guy who wrote two articles for an unheard of newspaper under a pseudonym. At one point a professional historian who was having their credibility smeared in the comments section joined the discussion but it was to no avail. The talk page archive is a fun read:



It absolutely is equating the two, through a subtle implication.

Compare the following two sentences

1: He also states this claim became popular in the 1920s and 1930s when anti-semitism was on the rise.

2: He also states that this claim became popular in the 1920s and 1930s when anti-semitism and anti-capitalism were on the rise.

Why would the conspiracy theory that Alexander Hamilton was Jewish become popular when anti-capitalism was on the rise? Anti-semitism, sure. But anti-capitalism? Why are they trying to draw a causal link between anti-capitalism and conspiracy theories about Jews? Why would they lump "anti-capitalism" and "anti-semitism" into the same sentence about said conspiracy theory? Because they're obviously trying to subtly imply "the commies made up a bunch of shit about Jews, and so did the nazis, because they're the same thing." It's a covert appeal to the idea that anti-capitalism is anti-semitism. Ironically this is a form of anti-semitism because it pretends all Jews are capitalists, and therefore all anti-capitalists are anti-semites. You see this all the time.

My reading comprehension is fine. Propaganda sometimes tells you what to think through subtle implication rather than concrete and obvious statements. This allows the propagandist to plausibly deny the covert appeal.


Thanks for sharing. It's all so tiresome.


imagine being paid by GM to sit on WP for weeks on end doing this


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Perhaps old but maybe showing of what wikipedia has always been like. Reliable source my ass, a literal CIA front.


>Thanks for sharing. It's all so tiresome.

Nah, it's energizing knowing something about the extent of all this. It gives you a more realistic world view to know what is against us.


National Review is listed as no consensus at RSPS you stupid uyghur


I've had a few times in my life delving into Wikipedia and it's insane bureaucracy.

A lot of getting things done is just being confident enough to quote rules at people. The number one rule is, don't ask for permission, do it and if someone fucks with you, then make sure you project yourself as the person in charge.


One of the funniest paragraphs in any Wikipedia article is the one in the article of the Iron Law of Oligarchy in organizations which talks about how this law is also measurably manifested within Wikipedia itself.


Why not edit them to point out they aren't neutral point of view?


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>A lot of getting things done is just being confident enough to quote rules at people. The number one rule is, don't ask for permission, do it and if someone fucks with you, then make sure you project yourself as the person in charge.
HAve you ever had an edit 'suppressed' anon? This happened to me today and it's a new one even for me, I cannot make head or tail of it quite frankly and could use some help from someone who understands the system.


>Why not edit them to point out they aren't neutral point of view?
Because it's easier to act indignant and cry about it on leftypol like a little bitch.
This may sound flippant but I'm being serious, when you understand this you will understand this whole thread a lot better.


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he should stick to sports


These articles are monitored very closley and edited back aggressively. You can check the talk page and revisions.


>one comrade in a sea of liberals
godspeed lenin wikipedian


In the past 7-8 months Russian wikipedia has gotten severely shit because ukrainians and their sympathizers are rewriting pages to present unflattering angles
An example is the BM-30 Smerch page that has an excerpt about cassette bombs used in Kharkov, using about 8 different sources, all Western second-hand MSM repeating the same exact rhetoric.
A similar page exists for the BM-27 Uragan only instead its about "Russian shelling a town into rubble" again citing western sources.


revert it and point out [[WP:POV]]


>m-muh muh m-m-muh Donbass genocide
Most of those "8000 civilians" were actually soldiers in the militia, whereas actual civilian casualties stay at around 300 in total, with a vast majority of those casualties occurring in 2014




You mean the militia of disenfranchised Russian-speakers which was raised after neo-Nazis were used as shock troops to carry out a coup sponsored by the U.S. and then sent east to put down people rejecting said coup?


glow harder dude


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go back to watching your slop


he never responded. (he got btfo and abandoned his assignment)


you wretched little bootlicking cunt. you've clearly never even tried to combat propaganda on this god awful platform where teams of glowing dorks will edit back your revisions or even archive your talk page objections. You can point out obvious biases and conflicts of interest all day and still be told "too bad, we decide what a reliable source is, and we decide all the sources we use are reliable."


> a literal CIA front.

Yep. I recall having the same thing happen to me with the tank man article. They were citing a literal "top 30 things China doesn't want you to know!" clickbait listicle from fucking BUSINESS INSIDER as a source for historical claims about Tank Man. I pointed out this had no basis on the talk page, so they changed the source to NYT. Then I looked into their NYT source and found its claim was sourcing radio free asia. so they were using the "paper of record" to launder a state-funded CIA source. I pointed out that NYT's source was state-funded and therefore biased, but "NYT is reliable" they cried. So a "reliable" secondary source can have an "unreliable" primary source and they'll suddenly ignore the rules.


WP actually considers RFA and RFE "reliable" though


what the fuck? The only excuse I can make for them doing this is that the particular revision was vandalization that doxxed someone


I guess "state funded media" is only unreliable when they say so


There's a reason on why is "original research" banned


Yeah, they werent civilians so technically you're wrong :)


>reactionary news media
How is it reactionary exactly?


They stopped being civilians because they were disenfranchised.


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The three letter agencies get up to all kinds of shit.


Look at this shit, makes the protesters look like evil murderers and the government as just trying to deal with coronavirus uwu. The entire stuff around the crisis needs reediting.


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based propaganda understander


Documents show Facebook and Twitter closely collaborating w/ Dept of Homeland Security, FBI to police “disinfo.” Plans to expand censorship on topics like withdrawal from Afghanistan, origins of COVID, info that undermines trust in financial institutions.- TheIntercept



Not enough people are talking about this. It’s absurd.


that's more of an FBI thing. read the terror factory by trevor aaronson




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bump. more comrades should register accounts on WP. shit has gotten worse with liberals soyfacing over Ukraine. if you point out the connection between Ukrainian fascists today with those of the past then you will be sanctioned

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