Anonymous 2021-08-15 (Sun) 18:11:08 No. 10073 >>10034
This is nothing more than a simple cope (accompanied with the associated image of a fascist dictator no less)
The ironic part here is that in the republic representatives were still appointed by and choice by representatives In Athens.
The current existing hegemony of mods were appointed by, presumably, the old ownership of 8ch/leftypol/
All this comes across as is a petty rationalization to justify, ultimately, elitism. There is not even anything close to resembling a type of direct democracy. It's basically fascism except rather than one singular individual Admin (though that is very much still the case) It is just a single cabal of owners. Basically a board of directors running the site. Un-accountable to anyone. I have a hard time understanding how leftists can justify to themselves positions of authority spanning into the decades. That seems almost counter intuitive to me.
Stalin had the audacity to host show trials. and people still were given the capacity to vote in several other faucets of life.
The jannies here just rule with an iron fist. Anyone who dares to disagree with the fact that there might be any type of flaw in a system of unaccounted and unappointed system of leadership is silenced, gas light, and all around harassed. It's very cult like. In its behavior
The "modocracy" as it is so called is nothing more than an eternal larp Carried out by a bunch of childish "ML's."
Anonymous 2021-08-16 (Mon) 18:12:59 No. 10203
judge dredd is a fascist dictator? really? I haven't read the comics but in both versions of the movie he's just a cop in a society with no justice system
Anonymous 2021-08-16 (Mon) 18:31:57 No. 10205
every one of you is fucking retarded and should take an ice cold shower to wake up from your larp dream
Anonymous 2021-08-16 (Mon) 22:08:27 No. 10231
ok so how should a site be run? 1 guy be in charge?
Anonymous 2021-08-17 (Tue) 18:51:41 No. 10287
No, no, no, 8 guys should be in charge.
Anonymous 2021-08-17 (Tue) 19:52:35 No. 10288
if 15 mods voting isn't democracy than a junta of 3 guys is even less of a democracy
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 17:41:45 No. 10332
But the junta established a democracy.
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 18:25:02 No. 10336
after backpeddling, yeah.
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 19:11:35 No. 10339 >>10337
and what? And, first off its a solution looking for a problem. The split wasn't about user democracy it was about 1-2 autists wanting "power" and schizoism and then later they retconned "user democracy" into the whole point, confederacy-apologist tier revisionist history.
Whatever lies they say, the real reason for their split was a combination of mental illness and blatant power grabbing, and a sense of personal aggrievement pretending to be something principled. The just want to "own the ogres" and any overtures towards "user democracy" is based on that and no sort of principles.
Not that it matters because user democracy is unworkable anyway and 99% of users just wanna grill and have jannies shut the fuck up and delete spam.
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 19:30:09 No. 10340 >>10339
As compared with 7 - 8 autists having power.
You all keep trying to flip the narrative around on the net and yet…..
Coma came on after the split and worked to establish a democracy and the other jannies from the junta capitulated. That is all that matters. The jannies on org seethed and coped and cried for weeks. You can't bitch about the junta establishing power when your jannies are the biggest power trippers of all willing to even fucking profile you. Keep cucking out for these fucking CIA operatives
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 19:31:42 No. 10341
>>10339 >user democracy is unworkable and users just wanna grill
Totally debunked already. Learn to fucking think for yourself you pathetic worm.
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 19:36:16 No. 10342
every time you post this, my response is going to be the same: did i have any notes?
Caballo 2021-08-18 (Wed) 21:32:29 No. 10347
Pretty sure no, the notes were added to problem IPs. As always you are impeccable.
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 21:35:01 No. 10348
I will move to .net if they don't use post history to moderate.
Can you promise that?
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 22:57:14 No. 10351 >>10340 >The jannies on org seethed and coped and cried for weeks
this whole thing has lasted like 1 week max
>willing to even fucking profile you
all versions of the vichan software do that you retarded jogger did you really think the jannies on leftychan haven't or aren't still now looking at user IPs? Of course they are, its literally part of the moderation interface in the software, so to moderate at all they literally can't NOT look at it, not unless they make a change at the software level.
>Keep cucking out for these fucking CIA operatives
the idea that the .org jannies are literal CIA agents is fucking
. You can hate them, disagree with them but this is just insane. I mean you are actually and literally fucking DERANGED if you think that. Unless you actually have some fucking proof of this,
then post it by all means
If you actually want to prove you are a non-unhinged individual why don't you reach out to the .org jannies and quash the beef and end the split, on reasonable terms instead of turning into a fucking Qboomer tier schizo who thinks everyone they have a petty beef with on the internet glows. You want to prove you are actually a well adjusted adult, why not do that?
Otherwise, log off, touch grass, take your anti-schizo pills and stop seething so unbelievably hard over losing control of a fucking underwater mongolian basket weaving forum.
Anonymous 2021-08-18 (Wed) 23:38:52 No. 10353
This whole IP bullshit thing, including the
probably doctored/fake screencaps which can’t be independently sourced, smells of FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) that certain individuals associated with another competing website want to spread, probably because they are pissed that their site is declining in usage. This whole “IP” bullshit is a manufactured crisis, since as far as we know, every imageboard, and indeed, every website and social media platform in the world collects IP data, both at the server and application level, maybe with the exception of so-called “no log” VPNs (although half the time they are anyway). An imageboard is anonymous forum. When someone makes a post, it is not associated with any account, let alone an account that requires email registration like mainstream “social media”. When a moderator bans someone, that person’s IP address goes into the database of banned users, and is compared to the IP of anyone trying to post from then on. If it is a match, the user is prevented from posting. Since imageboards don’t require an account to post, the IP address is the only way of identifying users from post to post (crudely). An end to retention of IP data would mean a de-facto end to all bans, and the only thing the moderators would be able to do is delete individual posts and threads. But maybe they want to say that its ok for the software to retain IPs in the database, but not for individual mods to look and/or use them in a context of deciding who to ban. That is they have to decide on banning based on individual posts, not a user’s entire post history. This is an extremely bad idea, and would actually lead to more heavyhanded moderation, not less. If a mod can only judge a post without context, that means they can’t really distinguish between a regular user who is just shitposting, and an actual spammer or /pol/yp crossposter posting in bad faith. At that point they really only have two options: 1) treat all shitposts as serious, leading to more banning, or 2) allow spam/polbait on the basis that they may be a legitimate user shitposting, in which case the catalog will be filled with more spam and bait and degrade the quality of the site as a whole. I have a feeling the jannies of the other site prefer the second option. Moderators using post history to judge whether to ban users was a relatively uncontroversial practice, used by, as far as we know, everyone including the current moderators of the other site, until the minute the split happened and now suddenly it’s indicative of some glowing conspiracy. It’s much better than the alternative. The hysteria displayed by some of the crossposters shows either a profound ignorance of how technology works, or paranoid tendencies, or both. More likely it is just a bad faith attempt to spread FUD from a person/people who actually know better. I’m sure that the chodes ITT will come up with a cogent response to this which actually addresses the practical problem of how to mod without IPs, and totally won’t resort to saying cope/seethe/dilate/ogre/you glow.
Anonymous 2021-08-19 (Thu) 04:40:52 No. 10362
Pretty sure calling people CIA is said in jest in most cases, anon.
Anonymous 2021-08-19 (Thu) 05:03:26 No. 10363
It's interesting that they used an image of Judge Dredd given what that character symbolizes. The artist behind Dredd grew up in Franco's Spain. A ruling group acting as a lens to focus the desires of the masses while lacking accountability is a familiar theme.
Anonymous 2021-08-19 (Thu) 08:12:42 No. 10366
everything can be called jest to escape criticism like the monkeys in charge of the zoo that is leftychan do
>it was all just a prank bro you dont understand it was a joke hahaha what are you autistic
its fucking pathetic every time and tries to dodge criticism which they dont allow on their site anyway
calling people pedos which is what they also do is also a fed tactic, anything liable to create mistrust, FUD and division is a potential fed tactic
Anonymous 2021-08-20 (Fri) 00:17:32 No. 10380
Maybe you’re a huge faggot, seething chode
Anonymous 2021-08-20 (Fri) 20:15:57 No. 10482
stupid comments deserve stupid responses. Seeing as how your comment was nothing but calling OP a faggot thats basically all you deserve.
Anonymous 2021-08-20 (Fri) 23:20:46 No. 10485 >>10482
Yes. I'm glad you disapprove of
I think this is where you tell me to "seethe" again, yes?
Anonymous 2021-08-21 (Sat) 12:11:11 No. 10495
So, faced with the implications of the remark in
, to say nothing of invoking Plato, the only response is to derail into puerility.
This place is polluted.
Anonymous 2021-08-21 (Sat) 19:16:21 No. 10502
You’re posting in bad faith. You’re shitting in the punch bowl. Simply kvetching about the image in OP and hyper focusing on that does absolutely nothing to address any argument given in OP let alone any of the responses here. It’s Radlib breadtube tier “you’re a fascist for posting a cartoon character I don’t like”. How about giving literally any argument other than applying Godwin’s law.
Anonymous 2021-08-22 (Sun) 10:07:36 No. 10508 >>10502
It actually does everything to address the argument and the attitude of the current oligarchy. They believe that they are the only true arbiters of the path forward for the board (when historically this obviously could be anything further from the truth) as they have stated here in plain text and they are willing to even go above and over the established set of rules to impose their, so called. justice on the board. Not out of anything nefarious, rather, they believe themselves to be the only true holders of what this power means in the first place and the direction of the board itself. Rather than, and, at the expense of the people themselves.
It's actually a story that has been replayed historically over and over again through out time. Nothing new. Bakunin was, actually, right in this regard.
Anonymous 2021-08-22 (Sun) 10:11:09 No. 10509
The point isn't that "some imageboards, or all imageboards do this" The issue is that this image-board specifically is supposed to be held to a higher standard and that doing this data collection, and yes, it is data collection is a blatant violation of sed users pre held trust in the administration of the site. It's about the same as google getting caught harvesting peoples info and then trying to save face by saying "oh it's actually all for your own good!" It's bullshit and only the biggest retards and windows using fags buy into such bullshit.
Anonymous 2021-08-22 (Sun) 20:04:47 No. 10518
you have not proven it comes at the expense of the people. In fact it comes at the benefit of the users since (if) it runs an imageboard better than its a better system. Prove that user democracy results in a better user experience
Anonymous 2021-08-22 (Sun) 20:07:12 No. 10519
except no one was "caught" doing anything, its a nothingburger. It's literally the basic functionality of the site, which some schizos are trying to manufacture into something. you still haven't answered anything in that post, of how modding is possible at all without IP data
Anonymous 2021-08-23 (Mon) 01:08:43 No. 10556
If you think the site is doing so well then I ask you to look at the recent 2 years of the constant splits, rise and fall of unique ip's etc etc etc. You are just coping.
No one said it is possible to do with out ip's you midwitt. I said that it is possible to do with out generating a profile of your user base. It's not nothing, it is a huge and serious violation of trust that users have with the staff. Anyone who actually understands the principles of FOSS understand these things. I bet you are posting this from a fucking macbook as we speak.
Anonymous 2021-08-23 (Mon) 02:07:17 No. 10562
Free software has nothing to do with data privacy. and leftypols problems extend far beyond modding
Anonymous 2021-08-23 (Mon) 09:21:26 No. 10567 >>10556 >Anyone who actually understands the principles of FOSS understand these things.
I regularly contribute to a range of FOSS GPLv3 projects. I avoid proprietary software on purpose. If you use software that downloads or watches YouTube outside of a browser, you probably have LoC written by me on your computer right now.
Generating a user profile isn't simply not a violation of FOSS,
it's utilizing a freedom guaranteed by FOSS
If short notes on IPs like that are used to keep track of spammers, ban-evaders and shitstirrers, then good. It's literally making a judgement based on the user's recent posts and writing it down for future reference instead of keeping it to themselves. Those notes weren't profiling, they were noting relevant issues to the current rules page (libs and nazis and rightoids are called 'guests', spammers raiders and ban evaders are probably rule violators, a few IPs were were tagged as not violating rules which would hopefully prevent false positives).
According to that /leftypol/ meta thread, bans now have the comment banned listed on the ban page. If anything, you have
transparency over whether you've been banned for breaking a rule with a post or profiled based on history than before.
>I bet you are posting this from a fucking macbook as we speak.
Macbooks can run FOSS OSs and any other non-autist device already paid for a Windows license.
Anonymous 2021-08-23 (Mon) 13:52:10 No. 10574
>>10567 >Those notes weren't profiling
>It's literally making a judgement based on the user's recent posts and writing it down for future reference
That's exactly what a profile is.
>If short notes on IPs like that are used to keep track of spammers, ban-evaders and shitstirrers, then good.
Aside from the fact this is a chan and there will be no end of that sort of behavior, do you think cooking up your own flavour of Stasi is a good look? This is lending strong credibility to those long term accusations of strict discourse curation against the jannoids here.
Anonymous 2021-08-23 (Mon) 14:44:39 No. 10575
And what's wrong with the Stasi faggot?
Anonymous 2021-08-24 (Tue) 16:35:57 No. 10673
If you don't understand that the Stasi are held as an enduring symbol of all that was wrong with actually existing socialism, you may wish to reconsider your participation in communist struggle. By actively behaving in manners which evoke the memory of the Stasi you're thrusting weapons into your enemies' hands.
Of course, you might think a societyo overbearingly intrusive that you and your lover might be informing on each other to the state is a utopia. I assure you, you are a member of a vanishingly small minority of the population.
Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 07:21:47 No. 10707
>>10567 >I support FOSS but it's ok to act against the philosophy of FOSS because my niche Albanian basket weaving forum.
The absolute state of the cult.
Anonymous 2021-08-25 (Wed) 09:49:17 No. 10708
It was a rhetorical question. There is nothing wrong with the Stasi.
>you and your lover might be informing on each other
Newsflash: If you are informing on each other, you are not lovers. This is not how it works. It's not how anything works.
Anonymous 2021-08-28 (Sat) 06:07:42 No. 10840
There was far less stasi and volkspolezei in the DDR than intelligence agents and cops in west germany, which was essentially a police state. The Cold war Germany situation demanded heavy police presence and surveilance. The communist east got by on far less than the west.
Anonymous 2021-08-30 (Mon) 01:51:31 No. 10897
The intrusive questions on the paperwork of liberal states are not equivalent to engaging in psychological warfare on the civilian population
Anonymous 2021-08-31 (Tue) 18:14:08 No. 10986
You're every bit as terrible as space_ if not worse. Enjoy your dying community and the pile of dirt you have inherited. You are all, literally, no better than Jacobin. No one won here accept your massively inflated egos.
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