Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 13:48:56 No. 11187
>>11179 Caballo tried that twice before the split, and it kind of worked. Unfortunately, most issues surveyed had the userbase split about 50:50 or 3X:3X:3X.
User engagement has always been an issue. The simple fact is that most users don't give a fuck about /meta/ or a Matrix chat or even a sticky on their favorite board. Survey threads are messy but probably the best answer, because they can convey reasons rather than just a yes or no.
The vote and proposal threads should be that, but anyone can see that they're pretty empty
until Sage starts an argument and fills half the thread with off-topic posts .
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 14:14:28 No. 11188
>>11182 How are you retards still not getting this?
The chance that they wont end up representative of the whole is better than 100% not representing the issues of the whole. Even though that isn't true anyways because the fact that the Congress would be open to anyone who wants to join would be good enough. The congress doesn't have to represent the total will of tye board. What matters is the will of tue congress.
You faggots keep saying "people only want to grill!" So what does it matter to people not involved in the process? Make it open to them that way they can't complain when shit changes.
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 14:39:09 No. 11189
>>11188 >The chance that they wont end up representative of the whole is better than No, no it's not because if you wanna be serious about things you can't take it back. And then all you have left is ash.
>open to anyone No, it's not, an absurd lie. Someone will do vetting, be honest about that.
Everyone is a great democrat but they love voting a lot more if they decide who gets to vote.
>The congress doesn't have to represent the total will wut, why should they make decisions if they are clearly unfit?
>what does it matter to people not involved in the process? because presumably all this stuff you come up with in your chatrooms still matters in some way. Or what is all this about anyway?
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 14:52:42 No. 11191
>>11188 Congress is already open.
If you want to implement stuff, then join the jannies and put in the work. If you want to propose something for the jannies to implement, then put in the work, write a detailed proposal with motivations and research. If you want something changed on the board by convincing the jannies it's an issue that needs fixing, then put in the work, go on the matrix channel and try to get them to see your way.
All this talk about voting is pure paternalism that is endemic to western leftists. Pure ideology. If you belong to the community, then give something back, and stop demanding the father figures treat you like children who's opinions are totally special. Voting is fucking EASY. Knowing what to vote on, how to vote, and more importantly, CARRYING OUT the decisons REQUIRE MUCH MORE WORK.
PUT IN THE WORK OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:02:27 No. 11192
>>11005 why are you commiting a logical fallacy?
>leftypol therefore communism you were always meant to be a useful idiot
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:04:30 No. 11193
Clown ass jannies in this thread doing to astro turf. I see you.
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:14:13 No. 11194
>>11191 The currently existing sham you call "open" is just that. A sham. It is a window dressing used to cover up your massively inflated egos mascaraing as leftism. Step the fuck aside and let people have a say or get the fuck out of the left, faggot.
Why don't you euro ML party larpers go find a bridge and jump off it and get out of the way you pretentious uyghurs.
>>11189 >No, no it's not because if you wanna be serious about things you can't take it back. And then all you have left is ash. What the fuck are you even talking about? Obviously no sysadmin is going to let anyone vote to delete the site. Take your meds skitzo.
Everyone is a great democrat but they love voting a lot more if they decide who gets to vote.
The only reason vetting exists is to prevent /pol/ not to conduct an ideological purity test. More lies.
Ok, back to basic math: 42 people is more representative than 7
Stop cherry picking the things people say you mog and maybe you would learn how to digest a whole fucking point: I said it doesn't matter
because the fact is that if they care then they will join and if they don't then they wont and when things change they will have no reason to complain because if they complain with out joining the one place where they have have a voice of some type then they have no reason to complain as long as its open.
Which is much better than the current system where you have to just bang your head against the wall hoping a bunch of pretentious faggots high on their own ego listen are kind enough to listen to you.
You people are insane and you are not leftists. You are much closer to fascists than you want to accept.
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:18:14 No. 11196
>>11194 >you euro ML party larpers wow yeah americans know better
>when things change they will have no reason to complain because if they complain with out joining the one place where they have have a voice of some type then they have no reason to complain as long as its open liberal brainworms, "if you don't vote you can't complain", very lulzworthy
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:19:52 No. 11198
>>11196 Wow feel free to make an argument any time faggot.
>>11195 Why don't know parade around larping as avatar again faggot?
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:28:08 No. 11200
>>11198 No idea what that means, I enjoy being anon
and one last thing
>>11194 >cherry picking It's actually extremely integral to your project, if you can call it that
>42 people is more representative than 7 No they are not, if they are absolutely the wrong people (cantankerous, always online, you know the type). I am not gonna name names here but I have seen these chats.
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:34:18 No. 11201
>>11200 >Everyone I don't like is cantankerous and "terminally online" (doesn't exist) and so there for The Judge Dredd mod team is legitimate. Again you people are fucking insane. Enjoy your nut house.
Take your meds skitzo
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:35:34 No. 11202
>>11194 Talk is cheap, Comatoast. You had your chance to do something, you didn't do anything except demand the other mods do what you wanted.
That's not how things get done, and it is a symptom of your lack of democratic values you pretend to have.
Mods aren't representatives, liberal. Our job is to figure out what most of the board wants. We do surveys and other things to figure that out.
As much as you accuse us as "being closer to fascism than [we'd] like to accept", it seems you have little to no experience organizing in democratic spaces where these principles and practices are the lifeblood of the operation.
>inb4, "IRL, I participate in x" whatever it might be, it isn't teaching you shit. You need to learn how to think democratically, ideally before you back a coup in order to implement your desires.
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:40:54 No. 11203
>>11202 >Talk is cheap, Comatoast. You had your chance to do something, you didn't do anything except demand the other mods do what you wanted. That's not how things get done, and it is a symptom of your lack of democratic values you pretend to have.
More lies and slander from faggot antinious who is the biggest ego maniac on that whole fucking shit show of a team, lmao. Cope and seeth. You know jack shit about democracy when your idea of democracy is just oligarchy re-dressed.
<Our job is to figure out what the board wants See the reality is you want your cake and you want to eat it too. You want to have unlimited reach and power for eternity and in order to rationalize this you have done these amazing mental gymnastics like justifying oligarchy and calling it republic and telling yourself that you "like totally" have a thumb on the pulse of the board when historically you have always been shown to be incompetent retards who have no idea what the general trend of the board is.
Laughable coming from faggots like you.
My sides Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 15:51:29 No. 11205
>>11203 Lot's of text there, you could've spared a few words to address my points.
>who is the biggest ego maniac on that whole fucking shit show of a team Nobody on the board knows me, unlike you. If I'm an egomaniac, I evidently suck at it.
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 16:00:29 No. 11206
>>11205 I have addressed your points and I continue to address your points. Straight into oblivion. You have no right to talk about democracy when none of you were ever democratically appointed in the first place. You have 0 room to talk. All of your lame arguments against opening up voting to the congress have been debunked over and over again and you all ignore it because you just want to go uncontested. Any functioning system requires separate bodies in order to keep them in check this is how any basic system of governance works and, yes, what we have on this board is that. wether you want to down play it, marginalize it, or deny it that is the fact of the matter. You had the choice between democracy or dictatorship and you chose dictatorship. You also chose to split the site over it, your choice, not the "coupists" You made that decision.
Why would you put the user base in jeopardy rather than accept the terms that required not purchasing a new server and redirecting the domain to point to the new server? If not because you all just don't want to have any oversight what so ever? That is the job of the admin you coward. Hold your mods accountable.
Anonymous 2021-09-01 (Wed) 18:16:30 No. 11208
>>11188 >You faggots keep saying "people only want to grill!" On the contrary, my position is that matters related to the site should be discussed on the site, with discussions announced at the top of the page so that
everyone can take part.
An unrepresentative group claiming to represent the whole, especially if treated as though it does, is substantially worse than the whole having no official representation. Representatives would carry a degree of power without responsibility - they can push whatever ideas and obsessions they have claiming to represent the userbase, while being an easy-access proxy compared to the administration asking the rest of us - but he representatives don't have to deal with the fallout if the site splits or dies.
In a sketched fashion (with due credence to the fact we don't
like kings) I would place the moderators as a
fantasy monarchy: A power structure we don't like, but which is aware that if it fucks up too hard it gets the guillotine. A set of elected representatives, especially one in Matrix, has the possibility of turning into a 19th century parliament: the people who vote are the people who should be deprived of the vote and the representatives make representations diametrically opposed to the interests of the public, safe in the knowledge that they're very unlikely to have to face the mob. We might well say such a thing was historically progressive, but there's a reason that everyone would prefer to live under the
imaginary good king than under "elected" representatives who do no such thing.
yeah i think i just started with the premise of "unrepresentative parliament" and ran with it tbh Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 01:09:12 No. 11229
>>11188 how will you deal with fascist infiltration
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 06:53:28 No. 11248
>>11229 By vetting people who join the matrix.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 10:32:36 No. 11250
>>11248 and the people who get rejected from that process will then turn schizo and accuse the mods of being a clique
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 11:09:24 No. 11254
>>11253 >>11250 In the most recent case the rejection from the process occurred way late, with collateral damage. Let's try our hardest to avoid that and recruit only people exhibiting basic common sense.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 17:26:26 No. 11262
>>11250 The only people who should be getting rejected are poltards. That is the only reason why the vetting exists. Not for ideological purity of leftists.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 18:59:41 No. 11264
>>11262 This isn't as simple as all that. There are other dangers besides "4chan /pol/". For the delusional ones it was "reddit", whatever the hell that means (as for the radlibs they definitely have no presence here, show me a "fuck whitey" post and I show you a false flag, with the odd exception once in a blue moon). As for the /pol/yps, if you make that your focus, there are not only them to consider but also their Steigbügelhalter (their little helpers).
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 19:13:58 No. 11266
>>11262 Yess this! I totally want schizos, incest, perma online retards, children, americ*ns, ultras, and nazbols to make decisions for the site. They represent the board!
Freedom for troonposters!
Dictatorship of the Wrecker-tariat!
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 19:27:57 No. 11267
>>11264 What other dangers are there?
Name them.
>>11266 >Shizos And internet meme used to demonize people you dislike, typically
A margin that is irrelevant and certainty doesn't constitute the whole
Another sterotype you made up in your head to justify your oppressive ownership of leftypol
Give me a break, really.
Define ultra
See the whole pol thing.
You people are, literally, criminally insane and no different than fascists.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 19:29:10 No. 11268
>>11267 Holy reddit spacing
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 19:29:56 No. 11269
>>11268 Feel free to make an argument anytime.
Grow up.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 19:35:43 No. 11271
>>11267 >Name them. I already did and have no real investment in your concept to come up with more issues. Getting it to a workable state is your job after all.
But the comment is more to be read in a general way, there are more things between heaven and earth than /pol/ and reddit.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 19:35:47 No. 11272
>>11269 A third of your post is spacing, that's a lot of spacing.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 19:38:49 No. 11275
>>11272 You are supposed to separate quotes with a tab'd space anon. Haven't you ever taken a course on typography?
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 19:40:23 No. 11276
>>11271 That's kind of impossible to do when the other half of the staff refuses to play ball in any way shape or form for years on end. What would you want done to do to build it? Especially in light of this. Please, I am all ears?
The only major concerns are the polfags. If you start vetting people upon ideological differences that you don't like then you are just creating an echo chamber.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 19:44:48 No. 11277
>>11275 Sorry nerd I didn't go to school to learn to post, I post naturally like a man.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 20:08:28 No. 11282
>>11276 >What would you want done to do to build it? I have no insight into your chatroom but knowing the participants, people that don't want to deal with futile screaming for days on end won't take part. That's one thing. Then every one of you has their own agenda and refuses to cooperate.
But really not my problem anymore. I am fine with contributors having a say, that is a logical way of handing out responsibility.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 20:23:29 No. 11283
>>11282 This is another red herring. The screaming was done specifically because mods kept breaking their own rules with out any oversight and all proposals to fix this issue were shot down. This is why the screaming was happening in the first place.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 20:26:24 No. 11284
>>11283 Eh, I disagree. Bottom line is, you need to find a different way to deal with your problems but constant screaming and wild accusations.
Anonymous 2021-09-02 (Thu) 23:18:52 No. 11287
>>11284 Ok, i agree the accusations perhaps were too far, but, not totally with out merit considering the fact of the matter is the mods do harvest user data by profiling peoples ips here. But what suggestions do ypu propose for mods who simply refuse to listen to any constructive critiscm at all and refuse tp fix their broken system?
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 04:19:37 No. 11291
>>11287 Do nothing, you can leave if you don't like it.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 09:45:44 No. 11308
>>11287 What broken system? What constructive criticism? I reject the premise.
If a mod is perceived by the rest of the team as acting out of line, they will have a vote on them. Which worked until the most recent one, which prompted the minority to drastic measures.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 09:53:29 No. 11309
>>11308 But that is the thing: The mods are the minority. If the mods truly have nothing to fear then they would allow the user base to make the finally call. A small oligarchy is going to be able to finagle things in their favor. One way or the other. That is exactly why the system is broken.
No one every appointed any of the mods in a position of power. They all established themselves through nepotism, or, opportunism.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 10:03:47 No. 11310
>>11309 One last time a handful of jerk-offs in chatrooms is not the userbase.
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 10:09:57 No. 11311
>>11309 >Stalin came to power either through nepotism or opportunism <Not because he dedicated his life to the struggle Ultras! Ultras I tell yah! It's funny that comatoast accuses others of nepotism and opportunism when he is the ONLY MOD (besides rat and original BO) to have been added because of the fact that he was already a mod on bunkerchan when the migration occurred. He was literally grandfathered in because he knew space and moderated the site (nepotism) and leftypol migrated to bunkerchan (opportunism).
Check ya self uyghaaaaa
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 17:46:50 No. 11322
>>11310 So you mean the jannoids right?
Anonymous 2021-09-03 (Fri) 18:46:04 No. 11337
>>11322 In any case, they seem far less unbalanced than the splitter clique.
Anonymous 2021-09-05 (Sun) 00:47:10 No. 11412
>>11005 Drama in the leadership is like meh the only thing that matters is that both anarchists and marxinoids have free peach.
And nothing has changed in my leftypol shitposting and experience.
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