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 No.11991[Last 50 Posts]

Reposting here because no one ever reads meta and because sage ruined the thread, sorry mods

I think that we can all agree that we need more people, more posters spanning from all the left positions, let's go past the "much PPH" meaningless debate, we barely have any effortposters now, much less drawfags and other kind of talented people, the split was a catastrophe in terms of users and we have not recovered yet.

A small imageboard may be good for very niche hobbies and things like that, but for leftism it's the absolute opposite,our ideology is supposed to appeal to the vast majority of people that composes the working class, we should strive to be an Imageboard for the masses, the more people the better (leftists ofc),we used to have a very large potential userbase on 8chan but that's gone.

I think we should start promoting the board, in youtube, discockrd, hell even on reddit Twitter and Facebook, there's literal thousands of people that are members of communist and socialist parties around the world, hundreds of unions and workers organizations etc, and their input could be very valuable, hell maybe we can get some Chinese people in here, or people from the Japanese communist party etc.

I think that everyone should do their part in your social circles and social media you frequent the most, casually mention leftypol if you have leftist friends, mention leftypol in breadtube videos, if you follow communist or socialist party accounts on twittee or Facebook invite them to come etc, if you speak more than one language the better, if you have the means to get in touch with people from China or Japan or you know someone who knows the language maybe we can try to get some people from those countries here, along with people from Arab countries, Africa etc, that would be awesome.

Leftypol should stop appealing to its own userbase and reach out for people, just like the bolsheviks went out to the factories to garner support for the revolution and just how the CCP talked with the peasants to fight against the nationalists, we should do the same.

We have a world to win!

 No.11992

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Sounds like too much work

 No.11993

based

 No.11994

More like GLOWING the site

 No.11995

>>11994
You can post using tor, don't be a fucking baby.
Also this place is way less glowed than FB/TW/Reddit etc

 No.11996

If you think this is activism, then you need to log the fuck off. Leftypol will NEVER acomplish real life political goals. Why? Because 4chan reactionaries and twitter/reddit liberals never achieved anything either. Doesn't mean leftypol is bad. Just that it should be treated like entertainment for discussing hobbies and politics.

 No.11997

>>11996
the site would be more entertaining with a greater variety of people. the site doesn't have to accomplish real life political goals in any measurable fashion for growing it to nevertheless be a desirable goal.

 No.11998

>>11996
I never said that this was activism you illiterate retard, I said that we should get more people to make this place better.
And the fact that this place even exists may bring something very good in the future, who knows?

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>>11991
>we should strive to be an Imageboard for the masses
Imageboards are badges of shame. I'm definitely not telling anyone that I post here. I think most people will just be horrified. But that's okay, it can be our secret.

 No.12000

>>11991
>imagine caring

 No.12001

>effortposters
So you will have to let King Lear and Eugene continue writing

>PPH

a /pol/ raid will fix that

>talented people

Do glowies count as talented? I'm sure they have multiple PhDs in political science or whatever

 No.12002

>>11999
>I'm definitely not telling anyone that I post here.
What a weak ass pussy, I bet you don't even have the balls to ask for a raise in your wagie cagie job lmao

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>>12002
You're correct. I'm just like a little worm.

 No.12004

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Do you want a real answer, OP? because the real answer isn't going to make you or anyone else here happy.
first off
>the split was a catastrophe in terms of users and we have not recovered yet.
uh, which one? AFAIK nearly all of the drawfags and memelords already left in 2018 with Old BO's purges. The rest got old and tired and stopped making memes. Lack of happenings in the Bidencurrent era isn't helping much either.

The problem with "growing the site" is you have a bunch of people who will probably make the predictable jokes about glowing. The truth is, they don't want the site to grow, because growing would change the culture and they are resistant to change. They want leftypol to stay their little niche forever. Basically, they're hipsters.

The things which would actually make the site grow would be repulsive to people generally. Shit like raiding e-celeb streams and shilling the site. Shit like allowing user board creation and encouraging e-celebs to have their own boards, so have like a /unruhe/ and /maupin/ and shit, just to discuss the videos/takes of that content creator.

It would mean more than an official twitter account, it would mean the jannies have to make a facebook, youtube, twitch, instagram, tiktok, shill a bunch of memes we have, if indeed we had any to speak of, and also do official stream live events and shit, i mean original content not just watch parties for elections or whatever.

It would mean trying to integrate leftypol into the normiesphere of the mainstream online left, maybe even to redoing the CSS here to make it look more like a 2010s website like twatter/fedbook or w/e.

It would mean pulling more stunts like when leftypol funded wolff's thing or w/e. /leftypol/ would have to reverse its no raid policy, not on other imageboards, but on streams and shit.

Thats the shit which would actually grow the site. But suggest any of that and people here will say its too much work, it will lead to an eternal september type situation where normies and radlibs overrun the site, etc. The reality is a huge quantity of people here are content to stay at around the same usercount and grow by 10 ip's a year if that, minus any losses for splits, drama, people simply getting bored or into IRL shit.

On bunkerchan some people did a calculation from the stats there and determined it would take us to 2040 at the earliest to reach 1k users, which is probably true if nothing else changes.

 No.12005

>How to get more people into the site?
You don't. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this to you faggots, but /leftypol/ is not a place for organizing. It is not a subsitute for you actually going outside and actually talking to people about leftism. It is not your silver bullet or your master key into breaking through into what you see as "online activism". This is literally just board where people discuss at times certain particular topic regarding leftism, and that's it. Sometimes there's shitposting. Sometimes there's things anons make. But everyone understands that such things are the limits of this site, and it is not their platform to try and convert to some kind of widely popular site that every fucking leftist on the internet posts on. You want to talk to leftists where they're in greater numbers? There are plenty of sites you can look around at, many with a more public focus. But this site has never had that intention, and when staff tried to make it such, it resulted in the whole thing being driven into the dirt over the arguments and dispute over what that exactly meant.
>the more people the better (leftists ofc)
Not for a board like this, and not for most board in general. The old adage applies: The more popular the board, the lower quality the posts.
>I think that everyone should do their part in your social circles and social media you frequent the most, casually mention leftypol if you have leftist friends, mention leftypol in breadtube videos, if you follow communist or socialist party accounts on twittee or Facebook invite them to come etc
If you do this I will come to your house and beat you senseless.

 No.12006

love when you have a scenario where you get a good post like this >>12004 that basically has the situation entirely nailed down and then it's immediately followed by a post like >>12005 which just continues on the same old track of the same trite received wisdom as though the earlier, better post never happened at all.

one of those perfect events, two things placed side by side which immediately tell the entirety of the story, analysis followed by unwitting practical example.

 No.12007

LARP.org

 No.12008

>>12006
I agree 100%

The people who are saying don’t grow the site are most likely mods and mod simps by the way

 No.12009

Also, literally everyone that trots out “this is not a place for organising” “organsie irl” doesn’t organsie irl it’s just concern trolling

 No.12010

>>12004
>Thats the shit which would actually grow the site. But suggest any of that and people here will say its too much work, it will lead to an eternal september type situation where normies and radlibs overrun the site, etc. The reality is a huge quantity of people here are content to stay at around the same usercount and grow by 10 ip's a year if that, minus any losses for splits, drama, people simply getting bored or into IRL shit.
>On bunkerchan some people did a calculation from the stats there and determined it would take us to 2040 at the earliest to reach 1k users, which is probably true if nothing else changes.
We actually had 2400+ IPs at one point but somebody squandered the situation in the name of "increasing post quality".

 No.12011

>>12010
pre-purge leftypol was more like a combination of current leftypol and /siberia/, it had way more memes and shitposts. I would argue that old BO actually did succeed in improving post quality, but at what cost?

Now that leftypol is a website hopefully /edu/ could be renamed /theory/ or something and contain the effortposts while letting more shitposts into /leftypol/ proper

 No.12012

Why the fuck would you want more people being on the internet, passive. Ask yourself how to get more people involved into the labor movement (of any kind).

 No.12013

>>12011
At the start of the purge and the end of the purge the same number of quality posts were being made, just with less background noise. This becomes more retarded when you realise that by fighting liberal influence or whatever a massive amount of the audience for said posts has been removed and are now probably consuming liberal propaganda on anti-communist sites like reddit, and after the purge BO wanted to make leftypol a place for creating propaganda and nobody took up the role because all the people capable of doing so had left, and it gets even more retarded when you realise leftypol itself was the most effective propaganda it could create and that was massively diminished. Dipshit bipolar management.

 No.12014

>>11991
>we barely have any effortposters now, much less drawfags and other kind of talented people, the split was a catastrophe in terms of users and we have not recovered yet.
We lost those back before 2020 at least.
A major part of the issue is culture, not just promotion. Do you think there's almost no effortposts or new art just because we're not spamming social media begging for attention? Do you think these people will want to post in a place with no effortposts or new art?

For one, making more effective use of the booru for images and to develop our own culture more are relatively easy wins that almost anyone can do.

I've actually been tracking user count and PPH from the front-age stats. It's not that bad, especially considering the sharp decrease in Nazi-flag regulars on /leftypol/ and the eternal avatar/soyjak dramas on Siberia, and it's now rising again. In fact, today (UTC-12) was at pre-split daily post count on /leftypol/. Yes, it was 9/11, but we also hit that count (+-1%) for two days last week, and 5 of the past 7 days have been an increase.

>>11996
this btw, BUT it's actually a good gateway for leftoid memefags. The webm and OC thread are good for that.


Also requesting mods snub out any drama derails if some idiot responds to the baitposts.

 No.12015

>>11991
Promote the site in every single Youtube comments section

 No.12016

>>12015
Yeah, that's a good idea.

 No.12017

>>12004
>>12006
>love when you have a scenario where you get a good post like this >>12004 that basically has the situation entirely nailed down and then it's immediately followed by a post like >>12005 (You) which just continues on the same old track of the same trite received wisdom as though the earlier, better post never happened at all.
Because that anon has it completely wrong, and completely misunderstands the whole scenario that was old BO's actions. Old BO's purges was because he had this delusion about growing the board, and his particular way of doing so was cultivating it into a site which would propagandize, and more importantly propagandize his particular political line. And that required firstly to expunge anyone who had a view which he felt did not represent what /leftypol/ "should be" to the outside. What the faggot above me is asking for is literally the same retarded argument mod after mod after mod after mod has attempted to do. Old BO did it. D0llar$ fucking did it. Fuckign mods with the Haz thing tried to do it. Every single fucking time, it always had the same result. You all have no fuckign idea what you are asking for. Its one thing go around with your dick in your hand crying out for changing aspects of the site to grow it. Its another when it comes time to actually decide on what that actually means, and that's when things go to shit. That retards comments on making literal e-celeb boards and raiding streams would literally fucking destroy this board. We would becomes like every other fucking board polluted by e-celeb generals and discussion, the entire premise of this site would be lost as it descended into what is effectively worse twitter. And the fact that I can say it will be worse twitter should fucking worry you. Integrating /leftypol/ into the normie sphere misses its entire point. it attempts to ape the form of /leftypol/ with none of its substance. You faggots want the look of imageboards, the trendy "notoriety" of them, but you don't actually want the substance of them. In that sense, you are no different then every other zoomer politcal larper, who simply want the ability to catch a "trend" rather then actually understand what something is. You want the normiesphere? You have the entire fucking normiesphere at your disposal. You want to use reddit or twitter? Go do so then. You want to make some kind of forum with the goal of public accessibility, with usernames and e-celeb threads and shit? Go make your own. But don't fucking seize this site for your own agenda like every other fucking mod and admin has done in the past and drive it into the dirt due to the repercussions of what that entails. You fags will just kill this shit all over again.
>>12008
>The people who are saying don’t grow the site are most likely mods and mod simps by the way
No, its fucking mods who have done this shit constantly and who have attempted it constantly. How are you faggots this illiterate about our history? How do you not remember all the mod discussion and demands to grow the site? Did none of you actually listen or read the shit being talked about? How are you all this unaware?

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>>12011
old BO had no interest in increasing post quality, they were only concerned in allowing tankies from /marx/, who were completely ridiculed off the board, to colonize /leftypol/ which was leftcom - continental theory autist - anarchist - bookchin dominant. The result is a board filled with tankie LARPers who dicksuck the CPC or their favourite failed soviet state which is radioactive to anyone with a semblance of normalcy or concern for the present.

the theory autists from /lit/ who migrated post-/pol/ takeover and the leftcoms who migrated from reddit once they were purged from the meta-left subs drove the effort posts and they all left. Now all you get is effort posts about how Stalin murdering thousands of communists is based and the correct application of Marx.

 No.12019

>>12004
>It would mean pulling more stunts like when leftypol funded wolff's thing or w/e
Whoever did that was a legend. If I weren't a paranoid fuck who doesn't want politics linked to my credit card, I would do it.

 No.12020

>>12018
That was good times. /leftypol/ was a bit of fresh air back then, now it's just another boring ML boy's club.

 No.12021

>>12020
Hey there's plenty of girls (male) here

 No.12022

>>12021
there's actually also confirmed girls (female) here too

 No.12023

People in this thread keep arguing that the splits are the main reason from the drop in quality but I actually disagree.
Both recent splits were bad and damaged the board but the board was already VERY bad before the last split. Imo the thing that damaged the most in recent times was the whole infrared debacle.

 No.12024

>>12018
>/leftypol/ which was leftcom - continental theory autist - anarchist - bookchin dominant.
I don't agree with these being banned, but you have a really rosy picture of old leftypol. A lot of these people Grade A pseuds, especially when more anons started coming in and began adopting flags as status symbols, with fags flaunting Bookchin as a way to sound smart without ever actually read Bookchin, and leftcom posters quickly going from being perceived as "well read" to being seen as Dauvé posting retards who posted the most absurd takes purely to be contrarian. And this was all even before BO's idiocy, all BO did as be the nail in the coffin.

 No.12025

>leftcom flag
>he's retarded
Checks out every time

 No.12026

>>12024
*A lot of these people were Grade A pseuds
*did was be the nail

 No.12027

>>12024
>don't agree with these being banned
Someone in the chat said the current leftcom flagfag's ban is because they openly said on .net that they were falseflagging on /pol/ to start raids and were caught spamming /pol/ OPs on their IP, along with persistent ban evasion.

 No.12028

>>12027
All the leftcoms here nowadays are even more retarded than the worst leftcoms of old, they're totally unrelated posters

 No.12029

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>>12024
this anon is right, right before the purges there were a few quite retarded people posting with the leftcom flag, pretending to have read Dauve and denying basic Marx by saying Marx never advocated labor vouchers and the only real communism was total in kind economies. Even when quoted Gothkritik directly they still basically denied it. The "well read" leftcom era was a few years earlier, by 2017-2018 leftcom had become a meme as that anon said

 No.12030

>>12028
Yeah, I conflated that post with >>12025 , feel free to disregard.

 No.12031

>>12017
>Old BO's purges was because he had this delusion about growing the board, and his particular way of doing so was cultivating it into a site which would propagandize, and more importantly propagandize his particular political line
It's a remarkable decision to begin your history with OldBO's decision to purge people and to lay the blame for this at wanting to grow the board, even though the purge effectively marked the reversal of the former trend towards spreading awareness of the board elsewhere. Your position descends into incoherence the moment this is understood. Your fears are self-contradictory: the moderators will try to purge the site until it aligns with their sectarian views just like OldBO and d011ars, but also the moderators are going to grow the site and let le newfags overrun it until it's just liberal twitter-reddit with usernames!

But then it's not supposed to make logical sense, is it Anon-kun? It's not necessary to disentangle all of the things you don't like and give them proper names because what you really fear is the abstract concept of change itself.

 No.12032

>>12029
>denying basic Marx by saying Marx never advocated labor vouchers and the only real communism was total in kind economies. Even when quoted Gothkritik directly they still basically denied it.
Haha I remember this, this was basically the final nail in the coffin for any reputation leftcoms had on the board.

 No.12033

>>12029
Someone post the Marx Goth gf pic

 No.12034

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>>12024
They weren't banned out right except for the bookchin posters under the guise of banning rojava support but after that a huge contingent of of old-/leftypol/ migrated to /leftpol/ and then fizzled out.

Of course there were alot of pseuds and flaglarpers but you also had a big chunk of well read people, especially from /lit/ which led to interesting and weird discussions between a diverse range of positions something which never happens here now and has now been replaced with stalin good / stalin bad.

even this >>12029 was miles better than the current state of the board, people actually digging into gotha to btfo communization leftcoms, nowadays this board resembles the historical fanboyism that you see on a HoI4 forum.

 No.12035

>>12004
>/leftypol/ would have to reverse its no raid policy
This is only for Nazi websites. And I think we can all agree that its a good idea.
>>12004
>it would mean the jannies have to make a facebook, youtube, twitch, instagram, tiktok,
Anyone can do this and it can even be a team of people. They don't even have to moderate. Jannies can help organize recruitment for these teams if necessary.
>>12007
>LARP.org
>leftypol isn't for organizing
Opinion discarded on all illiterate idiots who have commented this so far. Who the fuck says this is praxis? Fucking brainworms have hollowed out your brain.
>>12015
>Promote the site in every single Youtube comments section
Yeah. Especially in good leftist content creators.
>>12031
Correct post.

 No.12036

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One small thing we could do to get a boost would be to finally finish the fight on that translation project that was started about a year ago at >>/edu/2085 and then abandoned. Out of 11 chapters, 9 are already completed. The audience for obscure untranslated nineteenth century Marxist theory is admittedly pretty small, but definitely the kind of people we would like to visit the board.

I am the original proofreader / editor that created the thread. I did abandon it back then (sorry about that), but I'm ready now to put in whatever work I can do to finish the project.

 No.12037


 No.12038

A thing I liked about old leftypol is that we had more theory threads. Right now we have a lot of geo-politics threads with many generals. personally, I'm much more interested in theory and I'd love for those threads to be bumped more.

I wonder if splitting leftypol between more theory focused and more geopolitics focused would make it easier to find thread I'm more interested in and follow conversations more.

 No.12039

>>12031
>It's a remarkable decision to begin your history with OldBO's decision to purge people and to lay the blame for this at wanting to grow the board, even though the purge effectively marked the reversal of the former trend towards spreading awareness of the board elsewhere. Your position descends into incoherence the moment this is understood. Your fears are self-contradictory: the moderators will try to purge the site until it aligns with their sectarian views just like OldBO and d011ars, but also the moderators are going to grow the site and let le newfags overrun it until it's just liberal twitter-reddit with usernames!
If you think any of this is contradictory in the actual recollection of what happened, then you aren't thinking hard enough. OldBO wanted to grow the board. His idea of growing the board was trying to cultivate it into a specifically tailored outlet that would appeal to demographics outside of it, which OldBO saw as more plentiful, more relevant, and more proper in the sense of what leftism should be. In fucking doing so, he tanked the total amount of anons on the board, because the anon coming to the board were coming for a specific kind of general board culture and "substance", they weren't coming for what he was selling them or because /leftypol/ was constructed to try and obtain mass appeal. /leftypol/ did suit a niche, and ironically why it got more and more people monthly, because more and more people wanted that niche. Once BO practically changed the whole board, the whole reason people even wanted to go there disappeared. They weren't there for what the board changed into to try and cultivate it for outside propagandizing, they were coming becuase it wasn't that. You rip out the substance of the site, and now you've ripped out the substance of what an imageboard is. Now there isn't a single fucking reason for people to use the site over any other piece of social media. Why fucking come to /leftypol/ at all if its just some other normiebook site has all of the substance of said sites? D0llars$ did the same exact thing, but with "de-radicalization". /leftypol/ now wasn't a small leftist board people congregated to discuss stuff at times, it was now a "de-radicalization" site, and it had to be prepared to be a "de-radicalization" site, no matter how negatively that affected the quality of the board, ruined its premise, or degraded the overall board culture. Every fucking time, the pursuit of trying to "expand" the board did the exact fucking opposite of that, it actively killed it for its users and only invited in the worst fucking posters imaginable who only shit up the board and then later just leave it once they grow bored of it. So you both get overrun by newfags, and the total amount inevitably drops, because the original anons leave, and the waves of newfags you tried to shill to don't stay because there is no reason anymore to stay, and everything they can get there is exactly what they can get anywhere else.
>But then it's not supposed to make logical sense, is it Anon-kun? It's not necessary to disentangle all of the things you don't like and give them proper names because what you really fear is the abstract concept of change itself.
What I'm saying you idiot is that everyone has a different idea of what "growth" means, and in doing so they end up killing the board in the long run. /leftypol/ organically grew the most, and not to some absurd degree that killed post quality, when we weren't trying to fucking "cultivate" it. The people who come here, come here because they want an anonymous image board to talk on. Those who would only come for e-celeb discussion will either just leave after a while to more mainstream places to discuss them, or will only be here to discuss them, which means only what stream and drama happens with their given e-celeb will be a concern to them. If that e-celeb dies out? They go with them, and what do we get out of all of it? Literally nothing positive, during and after. You've ruined the board in your attempt to "save" it.

 No.12040

>>12035
>leftypol isn't for organizing
It fucking isn't stop treating it like it is. Stop using this as a replacement for actual activism you faggot, this is not the place for you to use as an excuse to do effectively nothing but treat it as some kind of actual fight to change the world. That's only done on the outside, with actual people that's aren't just anonymously talking.

 No.12041

>>12011
>while letting more shitposts into /leftypol/ proper
Why would you want this, retard?

 No.12042

no need this would embarras the consequent marxists >>11991

 No.12043

>>12020
Are there even many MLs left? I feel like in 2021 the board shifted mostly to anarchists and other theorilets

 No.12044

>>12043
We've literally never stopped having a large anarchist userbase, most of the getshitdone people always seem to be anarchists even.
It is just that zoomer MLs are a very loud minority and intent on picking fights with anarchists that most nobody is interested in, which makes the MLs feel over represented.

 No.12045

>>12044
So this is a predominantly anarchist board?

 No.12046

>>12045
You already know this but It's quite literally impossible to say.
but yes.

 No.12047

>>12046
Only during burger hours but even that's changing

 No.12048

>>12040
Do you say this to your friends when someone wants to plan a movie outing?
>GOING TO THE MOVIES IS NOT ORGANIZING. Stop treating it like it is. Stop using this as a replacement for actual activism you faggot, the cinema is not the place for you to use as an excuse to do effectively nothing but treat it as some kind of actual fight to change the world. That's only done outside the cinema, with actual people that's aren't just watching movies.
fuck offffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
I do actual organizing IRL. Stop projecting your insecurities.
>>12047
The anarchist to ML pipeline is real.
>>12039
So what do you suggest? Merely advertising is good IMO. If people like what they see upon arrival, then good. Otherwise, too bad. I wouldn't have known of this place if it weren't for Bat'ko and people mentioning leftypol outside leftypol.

 No.12049

>>12004
The thing I disagree with here is that jannies would have to do it, in fact the posters should do it themselves, making their own organic broader community, in fact the whole reason this stuff doesn’t happen is because jannies are gate keepers and stop all this happening

 No.12050

>>12042
Koffer
>>11991
>the split was a catastrophe
My digestion is a catastrophe, the bunker coup was a semi-large hit, this recent snafu was barely anything.
Perspective.

 No.12051

>>12040
>yea leftypol is not an organizing site
FUCK YOURSELF ALREADY. REAL LIFE EVENTS MAY COME FROM OBSCURE BOARDS. WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE

 No.12052

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yay! promotion done!

 No.12053

>>11991
Pop-leftism is either idpol nationalism for colonized people, or idpol social justice movements for marginalized people, or SuccDem "I want to be like Sweden" Berniebros.
None of them would tolerate a website full of vulgar 4chan posters, and very unwholesome memes indeed, and none of them could tell you about LTV or dialectical thinking or materialism.
The vanguard will be a minority, popular support will come after the victory, not before.

 No.12054

>>12053
We're wholesome tho

 No.12055

relevant post

 No.12056

>>12053
>popular support will come after the victory
I have never seen a more retarded post

 No.12057

People will come if they like it here. If you want the twitter facebook fbi.gov audience, why not go there?

I'm being as diplomatic as I can.

 No.12058

>>12057
Not saying we should just emulate Twitter, but if our name isn't getting out there, nobody new will come to the site, and people will eventually leave the site through attrition. In short, we must get our name out there to survive.

 No.12059

>>12055
pretty sure stirnerposting is older than porky

 No.12060

>>12049
>jannies are gate keepers and stop all this happening
how the fuck are they stopping you from shilling the site in other places?

 No.12061

>>12060
<sage's PC whenever he's about to try his amazing ideas to fix the site

 No.12062


 No.12063

>>12059
nta but I guess it's there to represent the era where every other post would be replied with SPOOKS XD or variations.

I hardly ever see stirner around here anymore, he was always more of a /lit/ meme.

 No.12064

>>12055
the person who made this meme was obviously a leftpol fan. 2018/2019 had some pretty good effortposts, esp. around althusserian marxism and cybernetics

 No.12065

>>12055
Sojack?

 No.12066

File: 1631458748123.png (125.96 KB, 196x300, 1555263215166.png)

>>12061
Holy shit

 No.12067

>>12055
When did the idiotic Cockshott trend started ?

 No.12068

>>12067
around 2017 although it was mostly contained to cybernetics threads

 No.12069

>>12067
Various mentions in discussions from sortition to sex work: 2015
Cybersyn thread: 2016
Dedicated TANS/cybernetics threads: 2017

 No.12070

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>>12058
>In short, we must get our name out there to survive.
Be careful what you wish for

 No.12071

Mend the .net split

 No.12072

I love when people says that this site is not activism, I literally never said that we should start a worldwide campaign to bring proletarian revolution, I just suggested that we should bring more people into the site (because having actual leftists that come from places like China, Japan, Middle East, Africa, etc would be a good thing and improve the quality os the site with more worldviews) and a bunch of retards started sperging out and saying that this place is not activism and that we should be happy with this place being the haven for the same 150 autists and LARP'ers that have been around since 2015 or so.

Are you illiterate retards? Are you expecting me to believe that you actually read Marx and Lenin and claim to understand what you read when you can't even read and comprehend a small post?

 No.12073

>>12072
we tell you this shit site is not activism and that somehow makes us the larpers.

 No.12074

>>12071
They can shut down and redirect any time

 No.12075

>>12071
So that both of their posters come here? If they are not already posting on both sites.

 No.12076

>>12072
The thing is, effective advertising would take organising, not even that much, just anons getting together to decide how to proceed, and assigning different people tasks to specialise the various tasks to make it easier working in a team, but for some autistic reason this idea deeply offends some people. It doesn’t matter what you are trying to do, the fact you want to do something causes a certain section of the board to shit and fart until blood comes out.

Why? God knows. Deliberate wrecking? Mods who don’t want to lose control and see any of kind of user gathering as a threat? As above stated hipsters if want their little hidey hole to do said shitting and farting in? All of the above probably.

 No.12077

>>12010
2400 is an exaggeration, leftypol at best was number 3 behind /pol/ and /v/ even on a record breaking day. The most it got was like 2100

 No.12078

We need more people and better moderators.

 No.12079

>>12077
leftypol was top board during the Syrian air strike sweatie

 No.12080

>>490235
You and your fuck buddy sage should go back to leftychan.

 No.12082

>>12004
>Shit like raiding e-celeb streams and shilling the site.
Don't see a problem with that. It's been done before and people were ok with it. Not like organized raids but shilling /leftypol/ in livestream chats and comments.

>Shit like allowing user board creation

We don't have enough activity to justify that, but in theory it's an ok idea.
>and encouraging e-celebs to have their own boards,
Well you're right that I will object to this. In order for an individual e-celeb to have an entire board to themselves, that would imply an amount of posting that rivals (or realistically exceeds) the current boards. Maybe if this site someday got really big this would make sense, but if you look at, say, 4chan, you will see that on a huge imageboard and a very popular topic (video games), they can get by with a "generals" board where any given game or series merely gets its own thread. The amount of posts about individual e-celebs to justify their own personal boards is orders of magnitude greater than the posting volume of /leftypol/ at its height.

A board for e-celebs in general might be reasonable, though. Especially if there's a concerted effort to appeal to the zoomers to pull them away from le ebin twitch streamerinos to actually discussing communism and maybe even reading a book or two. It would also be good if we got back to the days of, like, old youtube where there was actually active discourse happening with people making response videos to each other that actually developed an argument instead of the "reaction" shit that dominates now. I don't even know why the existing e-celebs don't do this more. There is plenty to argue about. Maybe they just don't want their fans to get retarded and try canceling people for disagreeing.

>It would mean more than an official twitter account, it would mean the jannies have to make a facebook, youtube, twitch, instagram, tiktok,

IIRC somebody made a tiktok account for /leftypol/ at one point.
>shill a bunch of memes we have, if indeed we had any to speak of,
We have plenty, even just recycling old ones. In fact a lot of traffic was brought in by shit like Bat'ko or the declasscucking memes page on fedbook.
>and also do official stream live events and shit, i mean original content not just watch parties for elections or whatever.
To a degree yes but there was a period where we had a few people doing streams and it's probably better to have a more diverse/varied set of content because it can draw a wider audience. One of the things that should be done in that regard is some schematic for flows of traffic – figuring out what sources bring people in and how many can help with figuring out how to do that more effectively, although you do also want the growth to be controlled so you don't just get a massive influx of /pol/yps and/or liberals who then overrun the site and never leave.

>It would mean trying to integrate leftypol into the normiesphere of the mainstream online left,

Yes.
>maybe even to redoing the CSS here to make it look more like a 2010s website like twatter/fedbook or w/e.
Maybe to a degree, but the imageboard format is critical to what the community is. Somebody had pitched adding react emotes and things like that, which might cut down on (You) hunting, but changes shouldn't undermine the basic imageboard format.

>It would mean pulling more stunts like when leftypol funded wolff's thing or w/e. /leftypol/ would have to reverse its no raid policy, not on other imageboards, but on streams and shit.

You can shill the site without doing "raids" which is a term that strongly implies disrupting somebody. Hell, twitch has "raids" as a feature exactly for the purpose of audience cross-pollination. You are right that we need to think about this, but I would counter that we should try to rethink that sort of thing and find an appropriate 2020s-era tactic rather than simply copying the old playbook.


>>12049
>>12076
Devastating: the worst person you know just made a good point.

 No.12083

>>12080
what did he do :(

 No.12084

>>11996
based and truthpilled

 No.12085

>>12048
>Do you say this to your friends when someone wants to plan a movie outing?
If they would try to turn their movie going into some kind of activist platform in which they try and get literally every other leftist to go to the movies with them? Yes.
>I do actual organizing IRL. Stop projecting your insecurities.
Then don't try and make this site a replacement for such. Go do that, and use this site for what it is.

 No.12086

File: 1631484592629.png (826.14 KB, 1230x600, us.png)

>go to website with reactionaries
>denounce anyone slightly deviating from the site's norm as a leftypoler
>direct them here
>???
<TRAFFIC

 No.12087

>>12076
>The thing is, effective advertising would take organising, not even that much, just anons getting together to decide how to proceed, and assigning different people tasks to specialise the various tasks to make it easier working in a team, but for some autistic reason this idea deeply offends some people.
Not what this site is for, this isn't a place for you to mold into your personal image. You faggots are literally all the same, and then you'll have the audacity to complain about the mods, when you are literally no different.

 No.12088

>>12086
Or go to liberal subreddits and tell the downvoted commies to "go back to leftypol you class reductionist"

 No.12089

>>12085
>If they would try to turn their movie going into some kind of activist platform in which they try and get literally every other leftist to go to the movies with them? Yes.
wrecker shit. If a friend tries to do this, I would support them however I can. sounds very cool and fun.

 No.12090

>>12086
it's missing infrared, the most hilarious, schizophrenic, and insanely high speed adventures of leftypol in all of its history.

 No.12091

>>12085
>>12088
Now you're learning from history!

 No.12092

>>12090
literally a flash in the pan that roughly half a dozen people actually gave two shits about

 No.12093

>>12089
>wrecker shit. If a friend tries to do this, I would support them however I can. sounds very cool and fun.
It's retarded and stupid. Leftist activism is not your personal social club, and what you are doing is akin to trying to get literally everyone to engage in a place that only fucking you utilize for no other reason then to inevitably ruin the experience of those already there because you want some kind of outside validation, and for what? You can already fucking go anywhere else to get what you want, why the fuck do you want to try and mold this site into your own personal image?

 No.12094

>>12018
>Let's cheer US imperialism because muh Rojava!
Old BO did nothing wrong.

 No.12095

>>12093
oh, so that's what it's really about. You don't want this place to grow because you're scared that culture will change. I just want the community to grow because that means more people can produce nice stuff, effort posts, images, etc.

 No.12096

File: 1631488518735.png (Spoiler Image, 18.77 KB, 758x326, ClipboardImage.png)

>>12086
2021 is TULCEL year

 No.12097

>>11991
we shouldn't try to make this board as big as possible, instead we should focus on achieving deep understandings of the world around us and the present situation, then armed with this knowledge we can go to orgs that we are part of and then help them become more popular, /leftypol/ isn't an org and it becoming one won't help anyone

 No.12098

>>12096
obssesed

 No.12099

>>12097
just curious, where did you get the idea that someone wanted to make leftypol an org?

 No.12100

>>12086
This is effective.
I found the original board on 8gag because some schizo on /his/ was shouting at me to go back to so I just had to check it out.

 No.12101

>>12099
membership is the main difference between orgs and discussion groups

 No.12102

>>12086
I posted this strat back in 2017 glad someone caught on.
The great thing about it, is that it basically immunes you from being called a shill. Kek.

 No.12103

>>12086
This is an actual good idea, it doesn't make it seem that you're shilling this site while at the same time redirecting people that may not be on good terms with /pol/ or reddit to leftypol

I will do this from now on.

 No.12104

>>12101
you can't be a member of a discussion group?

 No.12105

>>12104
I was talking about the size of membership

 No.12106

Its not about the amount. Lately we've been getting a lot of reddit/twitter radlib type cucks. Or its just fucking falseflaggers

 No.12107

>>12004
faggy + retarded post. Fucks up the entire website into reddit 2. Fuck off and never come back

 No.12108

>>12105
I've been in contact with national orgs that are smaller than leftypol.

 No.12109

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>>12004
>It would mean more than an official twitter account, it would mean the jannies have to make a facebook, youtube, twitch, instagram, tiktok, shill a bunch of memes we have, if indeed we had any to speak of, and also do official stream live events and shit, i mean original content not just watch parties for elections or whatever.
Fucking gay. Let the users themselves handle this stuff.

 No.12110

>>12106
You mean the jannies?

 No.12111

>>12109
>Let the users themselves handle this stuff.
then do it, pussy

 No.12112

>>12095
>oh, so that's what it's really about. You don't want this place to grow because you're scared that culture will change. I just want the community to grow because that means more people can produce nice stuff, effort posts, images, etc
That's not going to fucking happen, and has never fucking happened to any imageboard that has attempted what you are stating. Seriously, was this site your first imageboard? Because the way you talk sounds like that. And it not that I'm scared of the culture simply changing, it's that your view of imageboard always ends up ripping out the substance rod what they truely are, and replaces it with a vapid self-indulgent project that kills the board in the long run.

You have the rest of the internet to do what you want. Go do that there.

 No.12113

>>12076
>Mods who don’t want to lose control and see any of kind of user gathering as a threat? As above stated hipsters if want their little hidey hole to do said shitting and farting in? All of the above probably.
The mods are literally clapping their hands together praising this general idea in the Matrix you faggot. You're unironically the mod shill in this scenario.

 No.12114

>>12113
Proof?

 No.12115

>>12112
give 5 examples.

hard mode: if you say 4chan i am going to come to your house and remove your testicles with an axe this isn't even a challenge this is a written threat.

 No.12116

>>12004
yeah I'll rather see leftypol die than it ever falling that low
>>12006
t. stupid retard

 No.12117

>>12018
>Now all you get is effort posts about how Stalin murdering thousands of communists is based and the correct application of Marx.
that sounds kinda based tbh

 No.12118

>>12022
false

 No.12119

>>12112
All the ~2016 content creators were doing that with leftypol. The community still exists despite them. Many people found out about leftypol BECAUSE OF them.

 No.12120

I don't know why you guys are so worried about traffic when we are getting plenty of US National Guard activity here.

 No.12121

>>12120
leftypol need more glowies!

 No.12122

>>12110
nta but yes

 No.12123

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 No.12124

>>12115
>give 5 examples.
4chan is probably the best example, but the next best example would be 8chan and all the various boards that attempted it, including its own /pol/ with Kampfy. The examples though are limited because no other fucking imageboards attempt this shit.
>hard mode: if you say 4chan i am going to come to your house and remove your testicles with an axe this isn't even a challenge this is a written threat.
Come try it you faggot.

 No.12125

>>12119
>All the ~2016 content creators were doing that with leftypol.
Do you have any idea how quickly that degenerated?
>The community still exists despite them. Many people found out about leftypol BECAUSE OF them
The community still exists in spite of them, not that they helped it in the long run with what occured later.

 No.12126

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 No.12127

>>12123
it's honestly amazing how anyone can be so fucking stupid

 No.12128

>>12095
>Phil Greaves is schizo posting in COVID general still
>eugenics faggot is still posting
At least I ran King Lear off the site, but he then tried to come back. And schizo-posting and /pol raids aren't even the main problem.

I tire of answering the same questions and having the same conversations over and over, not knowing answers to settled questions, or repeating the same bullshit over and over regardless of how much they get debunked, then resurfacing acting like nothing happened to whine about "tankie LARPers" or MLs (the Tucker Carlson maneuver).

 No.12129

>>12128
this is eugenefag's voice

 No.12130

>>12079
yes but /leftypol/ only occasionally broke #1, most of the time it was #3 and sometimes way lower at like #8 or something. That was the exception not the rule

 No.12131

>>12128
I am glad my relative does not know about this website because she is also a covid-19 schizo poster

 No.12134

>>12130
>even on a record breaking day

 No.12146

>>12144
He brings up /meta/ shit on /leftypol/ constantly despite knowing the board exists, so yeah, mods are probably going to start banning that shit on site unless it's put on that board. No need for you to be a fag about it.

 No.12147

Stop, we've been going somewhat okay, but this discussion now belongs in the mayo thread on /meta/ and nowhere else.

 No.12149

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>>12138
I feel second-hand embarrassment from reading this post.
>>12139
Couldn't resist.

 No.12154

people that don't know to ignore trolls are responsible for the impossibility of meta discussion

 No.12155

and trolls

 No.12163

>>11991
we dont need more people, we need more quality poster, and less drooling morons, polyp convert, libs, propaganda slurpers and theorylets

 No.12164

>>11996
this tbh

>>11997
>the site would be more entertaining with a greater variety of people
go to other chans for that, Im not here for the shit drivel of lib, US propaganda enjoyers and polyp dominated spaces drowning out the few good posters

 No.12167

>>12163
Quality according to who

 No.12193


 No.12194

>>11996
>Because 4chan reactionaries and twitter/reddit liberals never achieved anything either
They murdered/harassed a few people into suicide.

Not really, relevant on the long run, but eh.

 No.12392

Reposting from the internet shit thread.

COMRADES
This video was recommended to me just now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_zZiEr4psj8

It has 450 views now, but their channel has videos with much more views. The video is also good.

The guy has 3 Patreon supporters. It would be a great channel to advertise Leftypol.

So, call to action comrades:

If you have a throwaway account, consider advertising leftypol in the comments.

If you spare some bucks, consider getting the Patreon to advertise Leftypol. The cheapest option is 4.5 USD and the advertising is the same as the highest paid one.

 No.12394

>>12392
this your channel? shill it in ITG as well

 No.12677

>>12394
It's not my channel. I posted it to ITG too.
I have a feeling I've seen videos of him before. I'm not really aware of internet people besides the main ones.

 No.12699

>>11991
More people to the site?
My opinion is more Alunya OC will bring more people.
Also how leftypol.org is exclusively by leftists & for leftists, but /leftypol/ once was on 8ch with other boards and politics.

 No.12712

TIL declasscucking memes is a now a DSA shill

 No.12772

Here's a truly controversial take.

Detente with the Infraredfags.

There are probably thousands of them now, while this board every year can't stop with the self sabotage. They literally have influence on the CPUSA nowadays. Then transform this place so that it is focused on high quality Left posts, or otherwise the worst tendencies of the culture of imageboards will come and wreck it, over and over again.

 No.12773

>>12772
>Infra
>high quality
Immediately these seem contradictory.

 No.12800

File: 1631886965112.jpg (434.19 KB, 1500x1059, alunya character sheet.jpg)

>>12699
I think the first Alunya pic is a better one, she looks more swarthy and interesting, the second pic just looks like every other generic catgirl. take away the leftypol logo and no person not from /leftypol/ could identify Alunya as "leftist" or communist

 No.12854

>>12772
We used to have a massive potential userbase on 8chan, but that's gone. Our philosophy should appeal to the vast majority of people who make up the working class; the more people the better (leftists of course). I believe we should begin promoting the board; there are literally hundreds of people who are members of communist and socialist parties on youtube, discockrd, and even reddit, Twitter, and Facebook.

>>12082
A board for e-celebs in general might be reasonable, though. Especially if there's a concerted effort to appeal to the zoomers. It would also be good if we got back to the days of, like, old youtube where there was actually active discourse happening.

 No.12857

>>12010
You don't have it. I'm not sure how many times I have to tell you faggots that /leftypol/ is not a place to organise. It is not a substitute for really going outdoors and discussing leftism with people. It isn't a magic bullet or a master key to getting into what you consider "internet activism." This is a simple message board where people debate various topics.

 No.12869

>>12857
You're literally just copy-pasting part of the post again, you got told for being incorrect, stop repeating yourself on this.

>>12854
>begin promoting the board
Based
>board for e-celebs
<attract Zoomers
It's going to turn into Vaus.hite central, ECelebs are absolute cancer and dedicated a thread is enough. An entire board is just going to bring liberalism and bad faith 'leftists' that seek an ideology to justify and shield their shitty behavior and beliefs.

 No.12872

>>12854
The things that would genuinely help the site expand would be unappealing to most users. Allowing user boards and encouraging e-celebrities to create their own boards only to discuss that content creator's videos/takes is nonsense. Any of those ideas will be dismissed as too much labour, resulting in a perpetual September scenario in which normies and radlibs dominate the site, e.g.

 No.12873

>>12800
The red and black flag is clearly (anarcho-)communist.

 No.12874

>>12873
Red and Black themes are found all over the place, literally the BadDragon Logo is Red and Black. Aesthetically the common Alunya that gets posted is too simplistic and her better dressed variation gives her more character and pazzaz

 No.12880

>>12874
>Red and Black themes are found all over the place, literally the BadDragon Logo is Red and Black.
Yeah but the black and red parts divided are reminiscent of the anarcho-communist flag.
>Aesthetically the common Alunya that gets posted is too simplistic and her better dressed variation gives her more character and pazzaz
Well, I agree with you there.

 No.12881

>>12880
*the way the black and red parts are divided on her scarf
Also I wonder, if that design had a star somewhere, would it be "communist" enough?

 No.12884

>>12881
>star
Nah a hammer and sickle is needed, that's the classic symbol after all.


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