Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 08:36:07 No. 13964
theres a lot of concern trolling going on. lots of shitty threads saying "hey im worried x destroys communism guys, how will we ever survive"
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 08:49:09 No. 13965
based schizo
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 08:59:07 No. 13966
>>13964 >>13963 i'll tell the mods
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 09:09:15 No. 13968
Cops are literally proles, tho.
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 09:12:09 No. 13969
>>13968 they are positioned higher in a given societal hierarchy tho, even if it's socialist.
their main task is to maintain law and order with cuntpitalist police having the special privilege of defending cuntpitalism itself.
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 11:01:55 No. 13970
>>13968 >Cops are literally proles, tho. what do cops produce with their labour and how is their surplus stolen?
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 12:50:30 No. 13971
There has been a significant influx of /pol/ spam in the last few days, most got deleted within seconds. There's also a returning spammer who makes dozens of generic off-topic news threads and bait OPs for a few weeks. I recognize them from months ago, I think the congress chat called them miamifag because they outed themself in a cuba thread.
Don't engage, just declare it /pol/ bait and leave to post in better threads.
Does anyone know what set them off? Was it really that internet-drama Elon tweet or did they post a link on /pol/ for some other dumb reason?
>>13970 wew derail incoming It's like saying what does a fire-fighter produce, or an ambulance. Policing is (supposedly) a social service. Those listed groups of people, to simplify it, produce security (to whom exactly may be different). The value of their labor is a lack of loss rather than a direct profit from sale. For an extreme example, letting a murderer kill people is typically an economic damage to a government in many ways (including loss of potential labor, damage to morale and security has economic impacts), as well as a damage to civilians (dying without intent is typically unwanted, death of a family member has major emotional impact, etc.). So for the (rare, in many societies) times police workers do in fact do their job well and that job aligns with society's best interests, they're providing a very valuable service. Regardless, we can certainly say they are constantly providing lack of loss to the bourgeoisie, who grossly undervalue their time and actions, which are critical to their survival. Look at historical cases of police strikes to understand the value of their labor to capitalists, and tell me their wages appropriately compensate them for the yield their actions enable for capitalists. Without police, they would probably be constantly robbed, or maybe even assaulted, blackmailed, abducted or killed. So I think the capitalists are stealing the value the police's labor creates for them, yes, even if they were the ones paying it instead of taxpayers.
Even your enemies are cheated by the system.
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 14:01:02 No. 13972
>>13971 >It's like saying what does a fire-fighter produce, or an ambulance. <forgot to write "service" in my question only noticed when it was too late. cops come after a crime has been committed, so their worth as a deterrent or prevention to crime is 0. they come in after to arrest people and put them in jail. we know rehabilitation > punishment. I don't think the police provide a service at all, at least not in the way firefighters and medics do.
>The value of their labor is a lack of loss rather than a direct profit from sale. That means cops serve private property, not people. Their job is to return property to the rightful owner, they uphold the law which is also written to protect private property holders.
>lack of loss Loss for whom? The thief is going to make a profit, isn't he?
>So for the (rare, in many societies) times police workers do in fact do their job well and that job aligns with society's best interests, they're providing a very valuable service. >police workers <police workers >the value of their labor to capitalists exactly. cops are only valuable to the bourgeoisie, cops are against the working class, so. how can cops be "workers" in the Marxist sense?
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 14:22:58 No. 13973
>>13972 >so their worth as a deterrent or prevention to crime is 0 They enable/enforce prosecution, which is the deterrent, and if they arrest someone who is intent on committing more crimes (e.g. a professional thief, a serial killer) then it becomes prevention.
That said, I don't completely disagree with you there; they're mostly ineffective as you suggested.
And I guess that is the basis of my argument; I feel that post is extreme to the point of being disprovable (and therefore dismissable to many normalfags), even if
mostly true.
>That means cops serve private property, not people. If police stop someone assaulting me, that's a counterpoint.
>cops are only valuable to the bourgeoisie They're
disproportionately valuable to the bourgeoisie.
Them arresting someone breaking into my house is valuable to me. Them arresting the C-level employees of Enron is valuable for the proles they abused. If they were
exclusively valuable to the bourgeoisie, boomers and le centrists wouldn't see them as friendly innocent officers.
>so. how can cops be "workers" in the Marxist sense? Because I don't see how class traitors are magically not part of the class they're betraying. They're cunts working against our interests, yes, but they're still laborers being exploited by their masters. Same for military-fags.
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 14:41:34 No. 13974
>>13973 >if they arrest someone who is intent on committing more crimes (e.g. a professional thief, a serial killer) then it becomes prevention. that's some minority report thinking. if you arrest a "professional" thief that doesn't mean you prevented future crimes because you don't know if that thief would commit more crimes, it's just an assumption. that's like saying that imprisoning a guy is preventing the birth of dozens of people, because the man is unable to procreate (but since he has the ability, presumably he will). it's flawed reasoning.
>If police stop someone assaulting me, that's a counterpoint. In the US, cops do not have a duty to protect you or to help you. You can look this up, this was upheld by the supreme court. Cops have 0 obligation to help you, save you, protect you.
>Them arresting someone breaking into my house is valuable to me. Is it though? If you live in the US, violence is a danger, but in most of the world robbers aren't murderers, and most criminals do not want to upgrade their b&e and simple robbery into armed robbery, aggravated assault, or murder. Thief steals from you, insurance pays you back, you get your stuff back (plus more if you're smart), thief gets free stuff. The only party that loses is the insurance company. There's more than one way of looking at things and not every seemingly bad thing is necessarily a bad thing.
>boomers and le centrists wouldn't see them as friendly innocent officers. They see them as that because they haven't had to interact with them. Even the "Back the Blue" crowd in the US turns on cops when the cops try to stop them. As long as cops are working with/for them, they're cool.
>Because I don't see how class traitors are magically not part of the class they're betraying Cops can't develop proletarian consciousness.
>They're cunts working against our interests, yes, but they're still laborers being exploited by their masters. Sure, and when you go. protest those cunts will be there to kick your head in.
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 15:06:45 No. 13975
>Feds are a joke no really >The People's GDP >China bad because culture >China good because culture >Land Back AKA Zionism Envy >Le based rightoid take >Le cringe morality >Comrades , we are losing the culture war! >Fellow retards, console me. >The X question >INCEL ALARM, TO THE BARRICADES! >NONCEALARM , TO THE BARRICADES! >You are Reddit spacing AKA Soyjak lite >"When I post X you say Y" antagonistic posts and threads
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 23:41:39 No. 13976
>>13971 >Does anyone know what set them off Dk, the congress seems to be very quiet lately. But a probable explanation would be their
schedule .
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 23:47:52 No. 13978
>>13977 >Cheka watch threads based
Put the thread on /meta/ or something and crosslink any sus posters among us.
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 23:50:37 No. 13979
>>13977 as a dengoid i would like to head the cheka watch threads in order to get rid of certain dangerous thoughts :)
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 23:50:41 No. 13980
>stocks are worthwhile and you should invest in the stock market >crypto is good and you should buy crypto >managers are the allies of labour (as opposed to being allies of owners/capital) >cops are proles
Anonymous 2021-10-20 (Wed) 23:55:01 No. 13981
I blame jannoids
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 00:11:23 No. 13982
>>13981 they have a real life too anon
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 00:28:46 No. 13984
>>13963 Thanks, based anon, this board needed the reminder.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 00:31:56 No. 13985
>>13983 Marx isn't the Prophet Muhammad, he was an imperfect man who made mistakes. This is one of them.
>omg marx wiped his ass with his bare hand one time! brb becoming a landlord! I guarantee you're one of those chinafags who defends the fact that they have billionaires in charge of private companies.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 01:06:53 No. 13986
figured as much as soon as the anti-BPD threads started popping up
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 01:14:41 No. 13987
>>13986 true, like somebody went
>hmmm looks like the brocialist board is being a little too friendly to the resident female posters, time to do something about that I hope we get more women posting here.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 01:16:20 No. 13988
>>13985 NTA, but I do think that people need to have a more nuanced take on places like China, Vietnam and so on.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 01:19:54 No. 13989
>>13973 They don’t protect most proles and at best just suburban, middle-income labor aristos and petty booj. Cops are paid by direct value transfers from the proles to them, like other lumpen, and want to protect the state to keep the gibs train running.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 01:23:20 No. 13990
>>13983 >>13985 Karl Marx was also a homophobe and unironically believed in phrenology. He was undoubtedly a prescient theorist but he wasn't infallible.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 01:32:49 No. 13991
>>13985 Whats wrong with stocks? Are you trying to say someone who has a retirement account can't be a communist?
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 01:34:12 No. 13992
>>13991 The /crisis/ thread was always about stonks and cripto lol
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 01:37:38 No. 13993
>>13991 If you have ever loaned someone money you can't be a communist, and we are sending the cheka to your house right now.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 02:05:06 No. 13997
>>13994 That man's mustache is very high resolution
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 02:06:46 No. 13998
>>13963 >There seems to be an unusual number of capitalist apologists on this website as of late. They all came from r/GenZedong recently
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 02:11:06 No. 13999
>steady IP count all year
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 02:27:49 No. 14000
>>13963 policemen are proletarians because their production is to take care of the capital, which also includes taking care of the worker since he the workers are also part of the capital and is a costly investment, besides obviously literally taking care of the merchandise. In the end, their role is to make the process of capital happen in the first place.
< muhh my misconception of materialism says that they have to move and glue things that end up in a store display cabinet. well, then those who work cleaning the street or toilets are not proletarians either because they do not "materialize" commodities, fuck these doctors
Also, last year i started with crypto and stocks, sincerely because the socialist movement is full of Agent Kochinski or hasanabi fans, redditards and idpolers, they are economically illiterate and not ironically they believe that socialism is about a country where all things are just free. We are doomed and there is nothing we have been able to do about it.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 02:33:07 No. 14001
>>14000 reminds me of a discussion on reddit, where they claimed that truck drivers are not proletarians and should be excluded from the movement, because they don't "materialize" goods, they just move them around.
If only marx had written a book where explains this….
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 02:41:26 No. 14002
>>14000 >cops are workers >you can be a porky and a socialist at the same time Like clockwork. I bet you're from America or another first-world country. Faggots like this are why they'll never have a revolution. America poisons everything.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 03:12:51 No. 14003
>>14002 > Like clockwork What memories those where people believed that Engels was a simple cuckwaggie and not a porky, not to mention fishermen like Lenin
You almost hit the country, proud mexican.
Now I gona wait for the
TRUE revolution happend if drug cartels and delinquency do not kill me first.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 05:30:57 No. 14005
>>13975 /leftypol/ being a bunch of moralizers is indeed a new phenomenon
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 05:54:16 No. 14008
>>13983 This isn’t investment, it is speculation. Marx was essentially gambling.
>>13994 He is right about people have different sleep patterns.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 07:57:08 No. 14010
Only on leftypol will posts saying the cops are glorified lumpen gangsters who rob people will draw accusations of being a glowie.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 08:03:15 No. 14011
>>14005 Indeed. We need more stirner in digestible meme format.
What are the odds that the people pushing shit takes are a small handful of people? Incel shit, misogyny shit, lgbt phobia shit, land back shit, etc. All of these have "turbo terminally online" as a common theme. Pretty sure the Lakota Zionist bolshevik flag used to be an incel until very recently. As we know, incel ideology isn't cured by having sex, it's a byproduct of deeply entrenched liberalism, which now surfaces as the #LandBack Twitter trend that he's been pushing for the last weeks beyond reasonable. He has the full MO of the relentless incel ideologues who would argue in circles in what appeared to be 12 hour shifts, abusing marxist terminology in a similar manner.
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 13:20:42 No. 14012
>>13963 managers are objectively workers. That their position in the production tend to make them class traitor as they manage the workforce for porkies (and small bourg often manage themselves) doesnt change their basic relation to mop, especially the lower levels ones in big corps
stocks can be profitable, if you have the income. Dunno if you "should", but thats not incompatible either
you prolly underestimate the amount of random retards and polyps trolls. Also, you yourself should go read theory moron
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 15:58:18 No. 14013
>>13968 They're willful lapdogs
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:12:52 No. 14014
>stocks are worthwhile and you should invest in the stock market >crypto is good and you should buy crypto >managers are the allies of labour (as opposed to being allies of owners/capital) >cops are proles
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:16:39 No. 14015
>>14014 >Dogecoin has made more millionaires off of $1000 dollar investments then any asset ever. >why wouldn't you throw some money at crypto? Maybe because of all the 20,000 other meme cryptos that flopped and became worthless or were just scams to begin with
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:17:29 No. 14016
i noticed r/stupidpol has been losing posters, maybe some of their worst dregs are coming here as well but cannot shake the idea that politics can go beyond their "Marxist" analysis of extremely retarded culture war topics.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:17:35 No. 14017
>>14015 how is this any different then gambling if you throwing money at shitcoins?
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:18:52 No. 14018
>>14016 nope I've never been to reddit or pol
I'm a leftypol and /lit/ cross poster
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:20:07 No. 14019
>>14018 pressing X to doubt every word of your post
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:20:37 No. 14020
>>14019 massive cope but alright
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:21:05 No. 14021
>>14014 >Dogecoin wait wasn't that a literal joke from /g/?
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:24:05 No. 14022
>>14020 how the fuck are you so fast anon? if you keep on doing this you're gonna lose your employer provided health care, the public option won't sound so bad when that happens.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:27:25 No. 14024
>>14022 lol who said its employer provided
retard :^)
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 16:36:47 No. 14025
>stocks are worthwhile and you should invest in the stock market >crypto is good and you should buy crypto >managers are the allies of labour (as opposed to being allies of owners/capital) >cops are proles
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 20:57:08 No. 14028
There is a lo-effort poster using the Kalashnikov flag that can't shut up about idpol and clearly is phoneposting by format (a lack of capital letters for example) and they're probably to evading an existing ban.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 20:59:12 No. 14029
>>14001 >a book where explains this… Post it in the dialectics or marxist theory threads m8 and just redirect these retards to the excerpts every time.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 21:00:48 No. 14030
>>13996 >Pic 1 Goddamn it I can hear all their voices saying this unironically.
Anonymous 2021-10-23 (Sat) 20:42:20 No. 14081
wasn't there a lib/centroid raid recently?
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 00:40:23 No. 14261
>>14260 Are you the Centrist fag mad at the guy making fun of you? Are you actually getting pissy about a porn thread? Also if you think this kind of dumb shitposting is /pol/ you haven't seen 4chan "BBC" threads. I don't have a horse in this race but you need to stop trying to police /siberia/ this much.
>No proofs <posting outside containment The fuck do you mean? I haven't seen any raceplay porn in any other threads and if you refer to the political shitposting, Settlers and Sakaist crap has been a part of the community for years.
>>14081 Apparently
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 04:14:45 No. 14264
>>14261 >Are you the Centrist fag mad at the guy making fun of you? You mean that CenterLeft guy or whatever his name is? Nah.
>if you think this kind of dumb shitposting is /pol/ you haven't seen 4chan "BBC" threads And why do we need to have a watered-down 4chan BBC thread on our site in the first place?
>The fuck do you mean? I'm talking about some recent posts specifically about "uyghurs".
>I haven't seen any raceplay porn in any other threads I wasn't talking about that at all, but there has definitely been some of that occasionally.
>if you refer to the political shitposting, Settlers and Sakaist crap Nope, not that either.
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 05:22:30 No. 14265
>>14264 >why do we need to have a watered-down 4chan BBC thread on our site in the first place It's only watered in the sense that most of it is real porn and not the autistic anime grill tattoo and skin-color edits that 4chan does a la pic related.
As to the Y, Y not? It's just a porn thread and some shitposting, it hurts nobody (and is on the right board) and it makes /pol/ seethe if they see it
even as they secretly save the files for their cucked fantasies >I'm talking about some recent posts specifically about "uyghurs" In siberia or leftypol? Because leftypol has pol shitposters constantly, that has little to do in the black thread you're talking about. I didn't see anything like it in siberia, got a link to an example?
>there has definitely been some of that occasionally. it's hardly a big deal, and any spam by pol gets deleted pretty fast
>CenterLeft guy… nah Yeah that dude
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 05:54:19 No. 14266
>>14265 >As to the Y, Y not? It's just a porn thread and some shitposting, it hurts nobody (and is on the right board) and it makes /pol/ seethe if they see it There are at least two /pol/tards in it. And I doubt it makes them "seethe", rather it looks like it confirms their schizo theories about us spamming 4chan with that kind of porn.
>I didn't see anything like it in siberia, got a link to an example? >>>/siberia/171252 sounds hella suspicious, >>>/siberia/171667 but I admit that one might just be an edgy autist. Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 06:17:25 No. 14267
>>14266 >2 /pol/tards ???? where? Calling it an addiction isn't /pol/shit and the "I hate" is typical /ir/ shit, it's like 1 thread in a shitposting board, it's hardly a problem. As for "muh trans" that you posted… it's leftypol and people are permitted to speak their mind or shitpost (especially on /siberia/ if they're not just baiting. If it's incorrect debunk them, if you don't care or think its bait, hide it. It's only a problem if spammed in random threads or as OPs. The "laugh at trans" thread from la semana pasada is a mocking response to the liberal idpol OPs that got spammed in /siberia/ - note that mods anchored the thread upon request and promised to be more vigilant on deleting idpol OP threads.
>like it confirms their schizo theories about us spamming 4chan with that kind of porn They'll confirm it to themselves regardless of if there is an actual black porn thread or not, they're mentally ill. Seriously if you look at the 4chan threads on the topic (located in /trash/) it's just endless amounts of animu edits and self-hating cuck fantasies about "de bleks!" They have an entire booru dedicated to that and a project of making lo*li edits too. None of this garbage is in /siberia/ because even Shay has a limit to his faggotry.
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 07:42:56 No. 14268
>>14260 >>14266 >>14264 On the other hand you are right that shit like this is pretty retarded NGL
Anonymous 2021-11-03 (Wed) 13:29:33 No. 14286
we are always under attack, no cause for alarm, it's just how this works.
Anonymous 2021-11-05 (Fri) 02:02:55 No. 14340
>>14329 >>14330
Anonymous 2021-11-09 (Tue) 04:19:39 No. 14581
>>14580 >don't be too obvious >use a meme flag The absolute state of rightoids, how has their playbook not changed in 4 years
unironic dengist 2021-11-10 (Wed) 06:49:29 No. 14588
>>13963 theres a libertarian posting in leftypol right now
i dont know if hes arguing in bad faith or not
Anonymous 2021-11-10 (Wed) 19:14:57 No. 14600
>people disagree with me >must be a psyop
Anonymous 2021-11-12 (Fri) 02:13:08 No. 14682
>>14600 That's not the issue, it is an issue if you shill bad faith arguments
Anonymous 2021-11-12 (Fri) 02:31:31 No. 14684
>>14682 i've posted before that the police are workers and i'm not opposed to stock market investment
Anonymous 2021-11-12 (Fri) 04:13:53 No. 14689
>>14684 True, but /leftybiz/ and real life tock investment (a la the /hobby/ thread) is different from arguing for the stock market as a reliable thing, it isn't.
>Police are proles I agree BUT there are nuances to this that need to be addressed ,primarily the fact that, like the military, the police indoctrinate their members and are used as a militant cudgel against the population, pic related. Clearly just screaming "keel de coppas" is not a viable or ethical idea, but it's not just a matter of non-conscious proles either.
Anonymous 2021-11-12 (Fri) 11:22:51 No. 14690
>>14689 i agree with everything you say, but the OP doesn't make such a distinction
Anonymous 2021-11-12 (Fri) 15:43:58 No. 14706
>>14690 My point is that a lot of people do not argue in good faith and don't address the nuances and so just come off as feds, ergo the OP's stance.
Anonymous 2021-11-13 (Sat) 12:17:42 No. 14730
>>13987 >I hope we get more women posting here. Don't worry , I'm sure you'll get a good dicking soon
Anonymous 2021-11-13 (Sat) 18:21:07 No. 14735
>>14730 the ERP board is that way, friend
>>>/siberia/ Anonymous 2021-12-01 (Wed) 03:01:48 No. 15058
>>13987 You will never have more women posting here as long as these people >>>/siberia/183963 (specifically inside the thread) can post unironic misogynistic shit as much as they like.
Anonymous 2021-12-02 (Thu) 12:27:33 No. 15092
>>13963 >stocks are worthwhile and you should invest in the stock market they are tbh, if you need money and work 2 jobs (pretty normal for proles in my country, or having a 50 hour week at minimum, I've heard in the us, an employer can not employ you for more than 40 hours full time, is it true?). Coming to the point; I personally made like a 40% gain intraday and really helped my dad with rent that month, so I was glad, but that kinda money, where you don't work hard for it is really addictive, makes you lose your class conciousness pretty easily.
>crypto is good and you should buy crypto no idea about this tbh, I am trying really hard to comprehend how capitalists justify cryto having value in it,can someone simply explain me how its supposed to 'work' under capitalism??
Anonymous 2021-12-06 (Mon) 03:51:48 No. 15103
>>13987 >I hope we get more women posting here. The only women that post on leftypol have dicks, feminine dicks if you want to think about it this way.
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