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 No.14325

So I've noticed a lot of posts advertising leftypol at https://0x00000000.xyz which is part of a network of chans running a software called FChannel that federate with each other, I.e. share posts. They do this by boards following each other.
Have you considered joining us, i.e. implementing ActivityPub on your site and making it federate with the rest of the network?
It would give you a new opportunity to explain communism to people, as well as boost the numbers of both you and the rest of Fchannel.
Information on FChannel and ActivityPub
https://activitypub.rocks/ (primer on ActivityPub)
https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ (spec for ActivityPub)
https://github.com/FChannel0/FChannel-Server/issues/9 (tentitative spec for extensions FChannnel makes to ActivityPub)
Alternatively, if the site owner does not feel like coding, they can simply make a leftypol themed Fchannel instance. This would be a poor substitute for properly federating though.

 No.14327

DO IT JANNIES GET TO WORK YOU LAZY SONS OF BITCHES

 No.14347

>Have you considered joining us, i.e. implementing ActivityPub on your site and making it federate with the rest of the network?
I think it's not something we have thought of yet, but an interesting proposal. (The following are my thoughts alone)

This is a big change, and something that would require serious thought; we have a significant-sized userbase (1500-2000 posts per day) and have a lot of extension and customization. Since stability has been a historical issue with the site, I believe that any loss of site features or impact to users (e.g. switching to another imageboard software like FChannel) may not be worth the benefits of federation.
However, if the ActivityPub server can be just an extension of vichan that federates, it could probably work (although it would be some effort to create that extension). I'm not familiar with it, but I know vichan has experimental NNTFChan code (https://github.com/majestrate/nntpchan) for a different protocol, which means there might be a base to work from, updating that to federate posts via ActivityPub.
>Alternatively, if the site owner does not feel like coding, they can simply make a leftypol themed Fchannel instance.
Making an extra instance seems like it would just split the site and be doomed to obscurity.

If we did federate /leftypol/ successfully, what impact would that have on your federated imageboards?(and, apparently, pleromas… cool!) The /leftypol/ board reaches 100 PPH daily, and in last year's US election it was getting 600 PPH. I wonder who would federate with them.
Maybe some of the smaller boards could have potential, although it does get difficult if people unintentionally post to leftypol.org without knowing the different rules of leftypol.org.

How does federated moderation work? During the occasional /pol/ raids, we get threads of gore, interracial porn and MtF porn (it's quite funny that /pol/ of all people have that saved, but that's besides the point).
I also suspect that we would get low-effort shitposts from the federated sites that violate our own rules; are there granular forms of bans (e.g. hashed IP) or would we be forced to ban/allow by whole instance if one dedicated spammer on it became intolerable?

If anything, I guess we'd be an effective trial-by-fire of moderation capabilities lmao

 No.14348

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I think if we federated with any board, we would kill it.

 No.14478

>>14347
>are there granular forms of bans (e.g. hashed IP) or would we be forced to ban/allow by whole instance if one dedicated spammer on it became intolerable?
I doubt you can view IP addresses, even hashed, if you do not admin the instance. So the solution to a spammer on a remote instance would be to work with the remote admin and, if said admin does not co-operate with you, to 'ban' that instance (defederate).
This is different from Pleroma and Mastodon, where admins can remotely ban users from their instance.

>I believe that any loss of site features or impact to users (e.g. switching to another imageboard software like FChannel) may not be worth the benefits of federation.

However, if the ActivityPub server can be just an extension of vichan that federates, it could probably work (although it would be some effort to create that extension).
Flags won't federate (as of yet), if that's what you mean. Do you have other features in mind?

>If we did federate /leftypol/ successfully, what impact would that have on your federated imageboards?

I don't really know the ins and outs of it. Im just a humble user. So you will have to ask devchan (developer of FChannel).

 No.14494

I think federation probably won't be suitable between Leftypol and the Fchannel federated network for these three reasons:
1) Massive posting asymmetry. We get multiple posts a minute for hours every day. Federating with any existing /b/ or /pol/ on Fchannel would flood it. ( >>14348 )
2) Moderation. Our users have higher expectations of discussion and moderation than many other imageboards, which would be unreasonable to expect the federated instances to aide by. There aren't federated instances with similar quality control, unlike the diverse Fediverse where there are many similar-enough instances who benefit from mutual federation.
3) General animosity. Even if we didn't flood the place, most of Fchannel's posters are either politically apathetic or let /leftypol/ live rent-free in their heads. Neither party is likely to benefit from the other's posts.

It is unfortunate, as federated technology is generally a good thing we like to embrace; we even use Matrix + IRC bridge for chat groups and have tried to join imageboard webrings. It just appears that federating with Fchannel, at least in its current state, would be mutually destructive.

 No.14495

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>>14494
What if there was just one federated board? Like a /siberia/ sort with lower traffic and moderation requirements that isn't as explicitly political? It would also work better as a limited trial for federation if there was ever an attempt to do something more significant in the future.

 No.14938

>>14495
That might work


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