Also why are Tor clearnet exit nodes blocked anyway?
>>23338You should always hide your IP.
I trust no one
Tor service is not broken, it requires authorization
We're working on a tentative solution which will allow access to the onion hidden service based on user accounts, in order to moderate the the traffic coming from the loopback address in more targeted way (the only purpose being allowing the continued availability of the service to all normal posters, while being able to un-credential spammers, csam posters, etc.)
>>23289This was a moderator decision, it's not broken. I don't have any information on why, if it's permanent, or anything details, though.
>>23338I encourage everyone to post over Tor, once it's working. Trust no one.
>>23342The accounts are all back-end, you still post as usual. All you need is to log in with an account to post via TOR, and mods can regulate and ban accounts without taking down the entire node. Its the best compromise between the anonymity of TOR and the capacity to keep outright spam, CP, ect from being posted through it. The system is being tested by some mods and the new code for the system is being sorted out so we can't give a definitive ETA, but it will come eventually.
>>23343Easiest would be via matrix, since we could just have an account request channel and then could send the account credentials via DM to keep it safe.
>>23345an opportunity for great trolling presents itself. you can have the "Name" field be filled with the username of these Tor posters
>matrixthis is anti-IRC prejudice
>>23352>>23353Why? The only difference i can think is that you don't have to go thru exit nodes which is the main bottleneck, so slightly higher speeds?
You can still use Tor Browser to read on the normal url :p
Afaik, ideas are still on the table, and we
might end up with an open/guest login which would let anyone read or post over the onion service, but we'll see how this shakes out. I'd say it's likely. First tho the whole new system needs to be implemented.
>>23360exit nodes famalam…. learn the diff between tor hidden services and accessing sites outside of the tor network
>>23361You're viewing and posting right now, so obviously everything is working out fine without an account for you. The point of accounts is in order to access the onion address, which is the only way to post over tor. It's literally only for posting. Simply do not try to use the onion for viewing if it triggers you
>>23355>The only difference i can think is that you don't have to go thru exit nodes which is the main bottleneck, so slightly higher speeds?lmao you guys are fucking geniuses, less nodes MOAR SPEED amirite???!?!?! you dont even understand how tor works
>>23383and this retard cant even use a capcode properly, great going leftypoal
>>23387Exit nodes are objectively a bottleneck for the tor network and can slow down connections. There's more hops to hidden services but it can be faster if your exit node sucks.
>>23389why do you clowns want to read using the onion so bad? You have the clearnet address and it works perfectly for viewing over tor, cópe
>>23391i really hope this never happens, thankfully it's probably too much work for the tech staff to justify
>>23362>You're viewing and posting right now, so obviously everything is working out fine without an account for you Right now… not to mention the lack of an open Tor system means ban appealing is impossible, mostly since a large majority of the major banning mods like vobbly like to do a complete ban on the site including /meta/ and the actual appeal box of a ban notification has a smaller character limit than fucking Twitter.
>t-triggers uFuck off, the entire point of a imageboard is to post freely and anonymously, IP being the only notification, no accounts, no nothing. Also for the retards attempting to argue about "accounts" for tor to prevent spamming? You're retarded because VPN gets around bans for spammers and they don't even need to use Tor in the first place to do that. You're just undercutting regular users by forcing this account shit. There is utterly no difference to this from fucking regular image-posting forums that have account systems. This idea is trash.
>>23393>the entire point of a imageboard is to post freely and anonymously, IP being the only notificationif you've accepted this then post without tor, simple as
You're right on the meta/ban appeal stuff, and we'd like to be able to chose which boards people are banned on instead of all or one, but we're lacking manpower with the tech stuff We hope to have the system working soon, and that will get around this.
>There is utterly no difference to this from fucking regular image-posting forums that have account systems. This is incorrect on many accounts, but "i'm sorry you feel that way"
>>23395>hidden service == torknock it off
>>23403>>23404 (me)
and known exit nodes of course. this would probably be less work than trying to develop an account system. and neither would deal with VPN spammers anyway
>>23405We've had exit nodes on lockdown for a while, and really I'd rather we just tackle the TOR issue with a direct counter to the spam we've been getting than put a band-aid solution on it like Captcha. When you are talking about /pol/ autists who do several-hour long spam raids through TOR without a real effective counter, you get disillusioned with these kinds of systems. I dunno what to tell you except that by volume of spam the TOR node was going to be effectively permabanned and unusable due to the post delay anyways, so at least trying for a concrete solution like accounts makes it actually possible to post via TOR again.
VPN spammers have actually been pretty ez to deal with, at least recently. Even if you can't lock them down with a rangeban, its pretty easy to just delete all posts by IP to completely neuter their posting anyways, and they always end up giving up after an hour or so.
>>23406fair enough
RE: VPN spammers, shadowbanning on certain keywords is always an option
>>23398>if you've accepted this then post without tor, simple as Tor is another layer of anonymity. Adding accounts to it makes the entire POINT of Tor utterly asinine. The mere idea that some mods aren't going to abuse this to automatically deny ban appeals or permaban people based on personal preference is beyond naïve and I'm not even talking about people using Tor casually because regular servers could be down or normal imagebrowsers like Google and Firefox aren't functioning etc. All issues I've had and that Tor has been helpful for.
>we'd like to be able to chose which boards people are banned on instead of all or one Considering a new mod like Misato and several of the older mods that have left did that all the time before and only site-banned specifically obvious /pol/-shit and related, I call laziness. I know moderation can be hard, but fucking up tor doesn't help.
>We hope to have the system working soon, and that will get around this if you do the Tor account thing in the TEMPORARY time period that you need to construct more pylons for moderation, then fine, but don't make it a permanent solution, because all that is going to do is make the user count of Tor posters drop significantly and make it pointless to have.
<knock it off<"u said thing that u never said"No, you knock it off, stop putting words in my mouth
>This is incorrect on many accounts No it is not, I might as well just go to 8ch.moe or any other chan clone.
>>23392>why do you guys want to add an actually anonymous layer to browse leftypol withgee i dont fucking know
i cant believe the staff got
even more retardedthese are the people in charge of the functionality of the site
feel free to read and actually know what youre talking about anytime
https://www.eff.org/pages/tor-and-https >>23413Your IP will remain anonymous. Your posts will be subject to moderation. If this worries you, idk what to say. Any more concern trolling by ppl who are scared by the prospect of spammers being able to be fully removed from the site, or whining with made up reasons (misunderstandings of tor) will just be deleted. I love to answer the genuine questions and provide a line of communication to what's actually going on, but it seems like we've reached the bottom of the barrel.
>>we'd like to be able to chose which boards people are banned on instead of all or one Considering a new mod like Misato and several of the older mods that have left did that all the time before and only site-banned specifically obvious /pol/-shit and related, I call laziness. I know moderation can be hard, but fucking up tor doesn't help.
Yeah I agree.
As far as the idea "this is the same as a forum":
1) you are not going to be required to use a name
2) user accounts not visible to anyone but staff
3) user account is not personalized
4) threads are not organized by categories
5) anyone can read all posts
>>23415You can browse leftypol over the tor network utilizing the inbuilt function of exit nodes. This has https, since you are connecting to the clearnet address.
to repeat, if anyone posts more braindead concern trolling after this i'll delete it
Genuine arguments, complaints, misunderstandings, confusion, anger and so on are welcome as usual
>>23423I agree. One of the mods suggested that we have a guest account with posted credentials (so essentially the same as no account) that anyone can use. This is 99% probably what's going to happen since it's an easy solution. (as usual, u can view over tor without the onion, the onion is still only for posting, since tor exit nodes are all banned)
>>23424yeah ive had the cloudflare thing a few times, it clears up if i use a new circuit. The reason for no anonymous reading is that the server person decided to cut things off from nginx instead of the board software. I guess a better solution until we get everything up and running is to just ban loopback and reopen the onion.
>>23426i get that cloudflare causes problems sometimes, it's got me a few times
as for privacy, afaik as of now cloudflare has not been shown to be able to deanonymize ppl even tho there are some hypothetical worries, but i use tor to view leftypol pretty much daily so I know it's not an actual impediment.
Also thank you for understanding that there will still be pseudanonymity lol.
Once we get things working, I'll (or someone will) make a thread here and if youse don't want to use matrix to get an account, PGP is another option. By that time we should have a guest account for the onion as well, so it can all be anonymous.
>>23500same
>>23511that was tried first for the ukraine thread and it just led to copypasta and ascii spam
>>23394You absolute buffoon, you think I use CIA tech to hide from glowies?
No, the reason you need to use TOR and VPNs is to hide from
jannies, if you don't know why then you severely underestimate the levels of unchecked mental illness required to run sites like this one. Just read this thread alone and ask yourself seriously if you should trust your public IP to these gigatards.
>>23518>that was tried first for the ukraine thread and it just led to copypasta and ascii spamThat seems acceptable to me
Is it a lot of work on your end?
>>23526not for me, just one mod complains really. I'd say its an overreaction personally, but it's not that their claims were without substance. I suppose one's perspective on the situation depends on how much you're dedicated to cleaning up all traces of spam and astroturfed, * the amount of posts that are potentially spam and astroturf. There was legit spam, but it's content wasn't too bad generally. That's just my pov. I don't mind if there's a little bit of nonsense cause it gives ppl smth to bark at and chew on.
>>23527i seen it so dont tell me it didnt happen
>>23673it's true in essence, but the story got twisted
yes the onion site is unusable for now, along with posting from an exit node ofc
but no, there are no accounts to dole out yet because the solution hasn't been implemented
>>23689>there are no accounts to dole out yet because the solution hasn't been implementedepin
its been a month already
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