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 No.23287

Also why are Tor clearnet exit nodes blocked anyway?

 No.23288

just give us a minute

 No.23289

The IRC ←> Matrix bridge is also broken

 No.23333

still no workie :[

 No.23338

why do you even need tor? I agree wholeheartedly with the jannies, there's no reason for you to hide your IP if you're here in good faith. nothing to hide, nothing to fear. it's good that jannies have a list of good and bad IPs with past activity, otherwise they wouldn't be able to do their jobs.

 No.23339

>>23338
>I agree wholeheartedly with the jannies
but none of them have posted this here?

 No.23340

>>23338
You should always hide your IP.
I trust no one

 No.23341

Tor service is not broken, it requires authorization
We're working on a tentative solution which will allow access to the onion hidden service based on user accounts, in order to moderate the the traffic coming from the loopback address in more targeted way (the only purpose being allowing the continued availability of the service to all normal posters, while being able to un-credential spammers, csam posters, etc.)

>>23289
This was a moderator decision, it's not broken. I don't have any information on why, if it's permanent, or anything details, though.

>>23338
I encourage everyone to post over Tor, once it's working. Trust no one.

 No.23342

>>23341
>namefriending as a solution to the spam problem
this.. is actually a decent solution

 No.23343

>>23341
How are we supposed to make an account, though?

 No.23344

>>23343
>though
THOUGH

 No.23345

>>23342
The accounts are all back-end, you still post as usual. All you need is to log in with an account to post via TOR, and mods can regulate and ban accounts without taking down the entire node. Its the best compromise between the anonymity of TOR and the capacity to keep outright spam, CP, ect from being posted through it. The system is being tested by some mods and the new code for the system is being sorted out so we can't give a definitive ETA, but it will come eventually.
>>23343
Easiest would be via matrix, since we could just have an account request channel and then could send the account credentials via DM to keep it safe.

 No.23346

>>23345
In its defect, they can be done via private public keys, and give the account deets here. The details will be clearer when we actually sort this out. Its not a trivial feature.

 No.23347

>>23345
an opportunity for great trolling presents itself. you can have the "Name" field be filled with the username of these Tor posters
>matrix
this is anti-IRC prejudice

 No.23352

Could you let us read without an account?

 No.23353

>>23352
>Could you let us read without an account?
+1

 No.23355

>>23352
>>23353
Why? The only difference i can think is that you don't have to go thru exit nodes which is the main bottleneck, so slightly higher speeds?

You can still use Tor Browser to read on the normal url :p
Afaik, ideas are still on the table, and we might end up with an open/guest login which would let anyone read or post over the onion service, but we'll see how this shakes out. I'd say it's likely. First tho the whole new system needs to be implemented.

 No.23360

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>>23355
>tor browser
>clearnet

 No.23361

>>23355
>logging in on an imageboard to view and post
literal reddit-shit

 No.23362

>>23360
exit nodes famalam…. learn the diff between tor hidden services and accessing sites outside of the tor network

>>23361
You're viewing and posting right now, so obviously everything is working out fine without an account for you. The point of accounts is in order to access the onion address, which is the only way to post over tor. It's literally only for posting. Simply do not try to use the onion for viewing if it triggers you

 No.23382

>>23362
The point of an onion address is to fucking make some one anonymous kek.

 No.23383

>>23382
End to end anonymous doesnt mean anonymous to the site. The tor node is abused. If you have ideas that can mitiage this problem then go ahead and suggest instead of bitching about everything without proposing any solutions, let alone be willing to implement said ideas.

 No.23387

>>23355
>The only difference i can think is that you don't have to go thru exit nodes which is the main bottleneck, so slightly higher speeds?
lmao you guys are fucking geniuses, less nodes MOAR SPEED amirite???!?!?! you dont even understand how tor works

>>23383
and this retard cant even use a capcode properly, great going leftypoal

 No.23389

>>23352
this could be easily implemented with one click by……………. just permabanning the tor ip until they finish this "tor accounts" business (which if you ask me is fucking idiocy) but i guess the new staff arent the sharpest tools in the shed

 No.23391

why not have a captcha like anon.cafe and a bunch others?

 No.23392

>>23387
Exit nodes are objectively a bottleneck for the tor network and can slow down connections. There's more hops to hidden services but it can be faster if your exit node sucks.

>>23389
why do you clowns want to read using the onion so bad? You have the clearnet address and it works perfectly for viewing over tor, cópe

>>23391
i really hope this never happens, thankfully it's probably too much work for the tech staff to justify

 No.23393

>>23362
>You're viewing and posting right now, so obviously everything is working out fine without an account for you
Right now… not to mention the lack of an open Tor system means ban appealing is impossible, mostly since a large majority of the major banning mods like vobbly like to do a complete ban on the site including /meta/ and the actual appeal box of a ban notification has a smaller character limit than fucking Twitter.
>t-triggers u
Fuck off, the entire point of a imageboard is to post freely and anonymously, IP being the only notification, no accounts, no nothing. Also for the retards attempting to argue about "accounts" for tor to prevent spamming? You're retarded because VPN gets around bans for spammers and they don't even need to use Tor in the first place to do that. You're just undercutting regular users by forcing this account shit. There is utterly no difference to this from fucking regular image-posting forums that have account systems. This idea is trash.

 No.23394

tor is a honeypot. vpn is a honeypot. there is no real privacy. read book related

 No.23395

>>23392
>why do you clowns want to read using the onion so bad
<T-tor is bad y'kno!
You're a fucking redditor from this alone. If you don't understand the reason regular posters seek to use Tor, then you're a fucking dumbass. And it's more accurate that YOU are seething about people not accepting this dumb fucking change you're pushing.

 No.23398

>>23393
>the entire point of a imageboard is to post freely and anonymously, IP being the only notification
if you've accepted this then post without tor, simple as

You're right on the meta/ban appeal stuff, and we'd like to be able to chose which boards people are banned on instead of all or one, but we're lacking manpower with the tech stuff We hope to have the system working soon, and that will get around this.

>There is utterly no difference to this from fucking regular image-posting forums that have account systems.

This is incorrect on many accounts, but "i'm sorry you feel that way"

>>23395
>hidden service == tor
knock it off

 No.23400

>>23391
TOR is too minor of a service to impose a CAPTCHA on everyone, and even if we worked out some per-IP CAPTCHA system (which would be as much work as doing the TOR accounts, probably) the people spamming via TOR are such dedicated autists that I doubt it'd do that much. The recent spam raid was basically the final straw, really we should have never implemented the system without some amount of backend control to begin with, but alas we were young and naive. TOR and very specifically TOR is just such a massive pain-in-the-ass that something finally had to be done about it.

 No.23401

>>23400
aren't there already captcha plugins for vichan/lainchan?

 No.23402

>>23401
Not that I'm aware of, but like I said - doubt it'd stop them.

 No.23403

>>23401
>>23402
Oh, if you mean just Captcha, then yeah. We've enabled it under massive raids, but its not per-IP, its site-wide.

 No.23404

>>23403
my point is you could enable it just for the .onion by limiting it to 127.0.0.1

 No.23405

>>23403
>>23404 (me)
and known exit nodes of course. this would probably be less work than trying to develop an account system. and neither would deal with VPN spammers anyway

 No.23406

>>23405
We've had exit nodes on lockdown for a while, and really I'd rather we just tackle the TOR issue with a direct counter to the spam we've been getting than put a band-aid solution on it like Captcha. When you are talking about /pol/ autists who do several-hour long spam raids through TOR without a real effective counter, you get disillusioned with these kinds of systems. I dunno what to tell you except that by volume of spam the TOR node was going to be effectively permabanned and unusable due to the post delay anyways, so at least trying for a concrete solution like accounts makes it actually possible to post via TOR again.

VPN spammers have actually been pretty ez to deal with, at least recently. Even if you can't lock them down with a rangeban, its pretty easy to just delete all posts by IP to completely neuter their posting anyways, and they always end up giving up after an hour or so.

 No.23407

>>23406
fair enough
RE: VPN spammers, shadowbanning on certain keywords is always an option

 No.23413

>>23398
>if you've accepted this then post without tor, simple as
Tor is another layer of anonymity. Adding accounts to it makes the entire POINT of Tor utterly asinine. The mere idea that some mods aren't going to abuse this to automatically deny ban appeals or permaban people based on personal preference is beyond naïve and I'm not even talking about people using Tor casually because regular servers could be down or normal imagebrowsers like Google and Firefox aren't functioning etc. All issues I've had and that Tor has been helpful for.
>we'd like to be able to chose which boards people are banned on instead of all or one
Considering a new mod like Misato and several of the older mods that have left did that all the time before and only site-banned specifically obvious /pol/-shit and related, I call laziness. I know moderation can be hard, but fucking up tor doesn't help.
>We hope to have the system working soon, and that will get around this
if you do the Tor account thing in the TEMPORARY time period that you need to construct more pylons for moderation, then fine, but don't make it a permanent solution, because all that is going to do is make the user count of Tor posters drop significantly and make it pointless to have.
<knock it off
<"u said thing that u never said"
No, you knock it off, stop putting words in my mouth
>This is incorrect on many accounts
No it is not, I might as well just go to 8ch.moe or any other chan clone.

 No.23415

>>23392
>why do you guys want to add an actually anonymous layer to browse leftypol with
gee i dont fucking know
i cant believe the staff got even more retarded
these are the people in charge of the functionality of the site

feel free to read and actually know what youre talking about anytime
https://www.eff.org/pages/tor-and-https

 No.23421

>>23413
Your IP will remain anonymous. Your posts will be subject to moderation. If this worries you, idk what to say. Any more concern trolling by ppl who are scared by the prospect of spammers being able to be fully removed from the site, or whining with made up reasons (misunderstandings of tor) will just be deleted. I love to answer the genuine questions and provide a line of communication to what's actually going on, but it seems like we've reached the bottom of the barrel.

>>we'd like to be able to chose which boards people are banned on instead of all or one

Considering a new mod like Misato and several of the older mods that have left did that all the time before and only site-banned specifically obvious /pol/-shit and related, I call laziness. I know moderation can be hard, but fucking up tor doesn't help.
Yeah I agree.

As far as the idea "this is the same as a forum":
1) you are not going to be required to use a name
2) user accounts not visible to anyone but staff
3) user account is not personalized
4) threads are not organized by categories
5) anyone can read all posts

>>23415
You can browse leftypol over the tor network utilizing the inbuilt function of exit nodes. This has https, since you are connecting to the clearnet address.

to repeat, if anyone posts more braindead concern trolling after this i'll delete it

Genuine arguments, complaints, misunderstandings, confusion, anger and so on are welcome as usual

 No.23423

>>23421
>s far as the idea "this is the same as a forum":
ok that seems fair. I think that you should still let tor be viewable without an account even if you can't post. That'd be a good compromise.

 No.23424

>>23421
>You can browse leftypol over the tor network utilizing the inbuilt function of exit nodes.
Idk if the onion bypasses cloudflare but the clearnet site cuckflared me on several circuits now. I don't see why you can't allow anonymous reading or host a second read-only onion.

 No.23426

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>>23421
<You can browse leftypol over the tor network utilizing the inbuilt function of exit nodes. This has https, since you are connecting to the clearnet address.
>(s)he doesn't know about crimeflare
anyway having accounts works for me. it provides pseudonymity which is good enough

 No.23441

>>23423
I agree. One of the mods suggested that we have a guest account with posted credentials (so essentially the same as no account) that anyone can use. This is 99% probably what's going to happen since it's an easy solution. (as usual, u can view over tor without the onion, the onion is still only for posting, since tor exit nodes are all banned)

>>23424
yeah ive had the cloudflare thing a few times, it clears up if i use a new circuit. The reason for no anonymous reading is that the server person decided to cut things off from nginx instead of the board software. I guess a better solution until we get everything up and running is to just ban loopback and reopen the onion.

>>23426
i get that cloudflare causes problems sometimes, it's got me a few times as for privacy, afaik as of now cloudflare has not been shown to be able to deanonymize ppl even tho there are some hypothetical worries, but i use tor to view leftypol pretty much daily so I know it's not an actual impediment.

Also thank you for understanding that there will still be pseudanonymity lol.

Once we get things working, I'll (or someone will) make a thread here and if youse don't want to use matrix to get an account, PGP is another option. By that time we should have a guest account for the onion as well, so it can all be anonymous.

 No.23500

Feels like activity dropped noticeable after the onion service got dropped

 No.23506

>>23505
is this a joke

 No.23507

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>>23505
>we think this solution will make everyone happy

 No.23508

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 No.23511

Wouldn't making tor text only fix everything?

 No.23518

>>23500
same
>>23511
that was tried first for the ukraine thread and it just led to copypasta and ascii spam

 No.23520

>>23394
You absolute buffoon, you think I use CIA tech to hide from glowies?

No, the reason you need to use TOR and VPNs is to hide from jannies, if you don't know why then you severely underestimate the levels of unchecked mental illness required to run sites like this one. Just read this thread alone and ask yourself seriously if you should trust your public IP to these gigatards.

 No.23525

>>23520
didn't even used to be like this. Jannies sperged out and did this after fucking up bunkerchan. Before that there was just some generated number associated with the ip that they could see. It's amazing few people seem to remember this.

 No.23526

>>23518
>that was tried first for the ukraine thread and it just led to copypasta and ascii spam
That seems acceptable to me
Is it a lot of work on your end?

 No.23527

>>23518
Nah, it didn't

 No.23528

>>23526
not for me, just one mod complains really. I'd say its an overreaction personally, but it's not that their claims were without substance. I suppose one's perspective on the situation depends on how much you're dedicated to cleaning up all traces of spam and astroturfed, * the amount of posts that are potentially spam and astroturf. There was legit spam, but it's content wasn't too bad generally. That's just my pov. I don't mind if there's a little bit of nonsense cause it gives ppl smth to bark at and chew on.
>>23527
i seen it so dont tell me it didnt happen

 No.23529

>>23528
I meant there was no noticeable drop in activity

 No.23531

>>23506
>>23507
>>23508
>jannies deleted an obvious joke no one was taking seriously
spergs and people without a sense of humour shouldn't be jannies

 No.23532

>>23531
Well too bad, tell me how to get non-spergy /leftypol/ users. No really

 No.23538

>>23532
The silence in response to this request is deafening

 No.23539

>>23532
>>23538
lel why does the staff dislike the userbase so much?

 No.23540

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>>23539
I suspect the feeling is mutual

 No.23541

>>23539
Where you reading that?

 No.23547

this place is even deader than usual now lol

 No.23549

>>23547
Good, it means the quality has gone up.

 No.23552

>>23549
>imageboards
>quality

 No.23553

>>23552
quality is quantitative, even if it's trash it can still be a considerable improvement over a previous state of also trash

 No.23624

>>23343
>>23345
So essentially the TOR address is unusable right now? Or rather, the mods have to dole out accounts to users who want to access it? I don't even seem to be able to post on the .org site when using TOR browser.

 No.23626

>>23624
Waiting for someone to share theirs

 No.23627

>>23624
>he doesn't have a leftypol pass
what are you, poor? Little baby can't afford it… get a job, loser.

 No.23673

>>23624
Hey mods, care to confirm this?

 No.23689

>>23673
it's true in essence, but the story got twisted
yes the onion site is unusable for now, along with posting from an exit node ofc
but no, there are no accounts to dole out yet because the solution hasn't been implemented

 No.23693

give this site over to Ismail senpai from http://eregime.org/index.php?showforum=719

 No.23696

>>23689
Alright, kinda sucks but thanks for the clarification.

 No.23722

>>23689
>there are no accounts to dole out yet because the solution hasn't been implemented
epin

its been a month already

 No.23746

is it up???


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