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 No.4911

What exactly counts as idpol? (or stupIDpol).

 No.4912

>stupIDpol
Why did these faggots popularize writing it like this

 No.4923

>>4912
probably because there's a subreddit called /r/stupidpol

 No.4945

Regardless of the origin of the term, what counts as it?

 No.4946

>>4923
Yeah but they made it popular to write it as IDPol, which looks shit, and now it's just a matter of time til stupid boomers start pronouncing it EYEDEEPOL

 No.4947

Did you mean to post this in /meta/?

 No.4953

>>4947
Should I have posted it in the /leftypol/ board?

 No.5973

>>4945
Idpol is when you are retarded about identity. That's it, that is all it is. When you make a post about how being white is ending equality (arguably correct but still) or how women are more fit to rule because of vagina powers or how Trans people perfectly okay and not a bunch traumatized idiots that can only cope by being narcissists you bring retarded about identity, the political side of it is ironically tangential at best

 No.6086

>>4911
things is dont like

 No.6088

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Idpol is subordinating class politics to some other false superstructural bullshit. Idpol can be reactionary or liberal.

 No.6089

Idpol is identity reductionism (only looking at politics through the lens of identity groups rather than material forces) usually coupled with us-vs-them scapegoating of a particular "privileged" identity group.

 No.6118

Are you talking about the site rules, or in general?

 No.6119


 No.6120

Identity politics essentializes identity without regards to the material relations underpinning it. At best, it assimilates identities within the realm of discourse and media (not economic autonomy and security!); at worst it incites intra-class conflicts.

As leftists, we fight for the free determination of all individuals and their full emancipation from oppressive power structures. The rights of individuals to live according to their own wishes is a fundamental part of leftism.

It is for this reason that identity struggles are a particular manifestation of class struggle and identity politics as such is the neoliberal recuperation of particular class struggles at the expense of the whole class struggle, and hence, essentially conservative. Being against identity politics does not mean that oppression based on personal characteristics does not exist, but rather that fighting for the emancipation of individual identities without a class character ultimately amounts to fighting for individual emancipation, rather than emancipating the group as a whole.

Instead, we advocate for the political organization of communities on the grounds of class analysis, class solidarity, to achieve political gains and protection now, with the ultimate goal of full emancipation of all the working class.

 No.6166

>>4911
idpol is short for identity politics
what does this mean? We must examine the two words seperately. First, politics.
In this context, the context of idpol, politics means political stances, positions, and general dispositions towards the functioning of society.

Identity means exactly what it says, but what is identity? Identity is a self-reflection. Things are things, and identities exist when those things categorize themselves as that thing. It is important to note that identity is seperate from the thing. We are not idealists. Idealists hold that the idea of the thing is the thing, whereas materialists hold that things exist in themselves irrespective of notice, and that our awareness of things are seperate from the things themselves.

So taken as a whole, idpol is when your political position or general world view is based on the identity layer instead of the material layer.

This, in practice, manifests as sort of factional antagonisms. If you are on a 'team', that team becomes an identity, and thinking in terms of 'my team' about anything is a form of idpol. This means that even things that are not inherently idpol - things that can be shown to be based on real material reality - can be practiced as idpol if the person is conceptualizing their position from the standpoint of identitarian struggle.

>>6088
this is often how it works out in practice. but the problem of idpol is deeper than just its effects, as idpol can also align perfectly with traditional marxist lines in the form of worker identitarianism. In practice, prior to socialism being accomplished, you would not be able to distinguish proper thought from worker idpol simply by looking at motivations and actions, you would have to examine the rationale of the individual to understand whether they are falsely being idealist and just happening to overlap.

 No.6167

Here's Zizek's view on identity politics from his recent appearance on the Low Society podcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwjPvgUqUyw&t=900s


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