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Which conspiracy theories should I subscribe to as a leftist (aside from obvious ones like cointelpro or the JFK assasination and shit like that) and which one should I write off as schizo shit


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here's a few that I believe which causes some controversy amongst other leftists:
>hyperborea is real, but it's more of a Slavic thing than a German/Scandinavian thing
>soy causes feminisation
>mossad had some role in 9/11
>there is large scale child sexual abuse happening within the LGBT rights movement
>the media pushes anti-white rhetoric in order to divide the working class
>the freemasons have significant influence over governments, much more than anybody is willing to admit
>the decline of the post war consensus and european social democracy in the late 70s-80s was largely manufactured by capitalists working in collaboration with politicians. It was not caused by market forces.
>I am inside some kind of false reality, nothing is actually real


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But in all seriousness I would say while there are real conspiracies in the world but your world view shouldn't be about subscribing to particular conspiracy theories. The reason why is that basically the problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to individualize the problems of capitalist society instead of analyzing them from a structural basis. So, instead of seeing things as the logical extent of capitalisms crises one sees things as a plot done by bad individuals. And this isn't to say that bad individuals don't exist or have no responsibility but the question is less "Who is doing the bad acting?" and more "Why are they doing the bad acting?

This is where I would argue that people like QAnoners go wrong. Admittedly a lot of those who believe in conspiracy theories are people who are labor aristocrats, petty bourgeois, or working class people that have been successfully brought into the petty bourgeois mindset. That said a large reason why people subscribe to said ideas is because it is a much more entertaining to do so instead of having a consistent class analysis of society. Viewing the world through conspiracy theories whether real or fake tends to make one feel like they're the protagonist in their own movie. Ironically many conspiratorial conservatives as much as they tend to "hate Hollywood" really want to be a protagonist in a Hollywood movie. This is partially an effect of the rise of suburbs post WWII and the isolation one has with the rest of the masses and therefore an over reliance on media consumption which comes with that. The Internet has accelerated this individualization combined with media consumption especially after 2020.

In conclusion the point is that while conspiracies happen ones analysis should not be based on them. Sure cointelpro happened and is still probably happening. Yeah, admittedly the JFK assassination is pretty SUS. The CIA and FBI possibly did have something to do with the assassinations of MLK Jr. and Malcolm X. But when one relies on these conspiracy theories even the ones that are very possibly real as their analysis instead of seeing the flaws of society coming from a systematic root which incentivizes the ruling classes to act in a certain way it sees the ruling class as full of individual bad actors and if these bad individuals didn't exist (and when I say that I don't mean this in a revolutionary way where the ruling class is taken out of power but I mean it as in if a "benevolent actor" was in power with the structure of society unchanged which is what a lot of right-wingers want) then the problems in our society would just go away. This of course is naive and doesn't reflect the whole reality of how society works.


Subscribe to the ones that are so well established and obvious you'd be a retard not to, like how chris chan is the smiley killer


Choke on luffycock mommy


every conspiracy theory is true if you secularize the schizo language and replace jews with capitalists. sometimes its misdirection though, like jonestown wasn't about brainwashing the people in the cult, it was a northwoods style op to brainwash the public against hippy communes. moon landing wasn't fake but it also didn't matter and thats where the stories come from. aliens cover up for radiation experiments and assassin training.

alex jones shit about psychic vampires is real if you change the words to "alienation" and "exploitation"


> the JFK assassination is pretty SUS
>if a "benevolent actor" was in power

Been thinking about libs and electoralism lately. I think these two things together need to be part of everyone analysis or they aren't a serious person.


See the >>>/edu/ conspiracy thread.


And let's not forget how retards like Alex Jones help in keeping the public from taking conspiracy theories seriously.


luffyposter is cia


Nah Alex Jones actually HAD some good takes but progressively went off the rails as things continued same as Ike.


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>soy causes feminisation
Nah, soy by itself doesn't do that, it's a number of factor alongside soy.
>mossad had some role in 9/11
This is only a controversy among liberals, it's an accepted fact by most truthers of any political inclination, and even the CIA (if I recall) has some confirmation on that.
>the media pushes anti-white rhetoric in order to divide the working class
Yeah despite liberals on the site bitching about it, this is true - racial division is a classic idpol tactic by Porky since the 19th century and before, pic related.
>the freemasons have significant influence over governments, much more than anybody is willing to admit
They ARE the government - The entire Bush family is in this shitshow since at least Prescott and his support of the Nazis and they'd been famous occultists, you only have to look at the demon baby shit from the London Olympics to see that (and the Bohemian Grove).
>the decline of the post war consensus and european social democracy in the late 70s-80s was largely manufactured by capitalists working in collaboration with politicians. It was not caused by market forces.
Yeah, obviously the free-market is a myth. Glowies are a term that exists for a reason.
>I am inside some kind of false reality, nothing is actually real
highly debatable and frankly pointless to discuss, if you are in one there is no real method to leave and whose to say that this reality doesn't matter? You can only better your reality so theoretical Matrix discussion is just an escape.
>hyperborea is real, but it's more of a Slavic thing than a German/Scandinavian thing
It'd be based if true, but I have no real clue on the matter.


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Eisenhower met with Aliens in 1954, and many of his military officials came out of the wood work to say it was true. Thus the large amount of UFO abductions that spiked from the 50's onwards was because of this secret deal with the Zeta Grey Aliens. Then the Barny and Betty abductions happen after the deal was signed.


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Ok Fox and how do you propose that we prove this to Director Skinner?


Well lets look at the reasons why Eisenhower would be out secretly at night at a military base. Then later said the disappearance was because of a dentist appointment. Now where have we seen similar cover ups. Roswell of course when the first reporting were of flying sauces then military came and had them change the subject to weather balloon.


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But that could be explained by him needing to preserve the secrecy of his X-planes and other military projects.


Video Related is something to pay attention to


Hello retard. Good OP for once. 9/11 was indeed an inside job. And America funds all major islamic terrorist organisations.


literal schizo
Cows milk is more estrogenic than soy


nuclear bombs are fake and were made up to help enforce the yalta post-war order




they were made up to sell fallout games


I have returned and come to say this, why is it so sudden that the military is now being more open about UFO and the Space Comrades than before when they were covering it up constantly. Curious I say I believe with the decline power of the US its trying to find a new way to get the citizens riled up against a new "Threat" to America. Hence Spaceforce was created and not to take out asteroids or some shit the militarization of space is against the Space Treaty another treaty in which the US violates to weaponize Space itself!


I don't think 9/11 was literally an inside job – as in, I do think "Islamic terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them into the WTC" is probably the most likely explanation – but it was at the very least allowed to happen and possibly outright """encouraged""" by the US govt


>Cows milk is more estrogenic than soy



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/pol/ is basically the collective bitch of some gusano porky


Cows are being pumped full of estradiol to increase udder size and thus yield, lots of that ends up in the milk.
Xenoestrogens in soy do basically nothing at all.


>estradiol = more estrogenic milk
That isn't how estrogens work FFS. It's like that retarded /GET/ thread from years ago talking about horse semen being estrogenic because of how digestion "converts testosterone to estrogen"
I'm not saying the "muh Soy estrogen" /pol/ memes are real, but basic normal bovine milk is less estrogenic than Soy, that's it.



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the federal reserve was formed on jekyll island in georgia, in secret, a year after all opponents to a central banking system were killed on the titanic. what's more, a central bank is still unconstitutional, but the federal reserve being formed as a conglomerate of private banks being allowed to print money was the work-around for it.

In November 1910, six men – Nelson Aldrich, A. Piatt Andrew, Henry Davison, Arthur Shelton, Frank Vanderlip and Paul Warburg – met at the Jekyll Island Club, off the coast of Georgia, to write a plan to reform the nation’s banking system. The meeting and its purpose were closely guarded secrets, and participants did not admit that the meeting occurred until the 1930s. But the plan written on Jekyll Island laid a foundation for what would eventually be the Federal Reserve System.
The sinking of the RMS Titanic in 1912 shocked the world and attracted so much controversy that a number of conspiracy theories have been put forward regarding the disaster.
1913: The Federal Reserve System is Born
From December 1912 to December 1913, the Glass-Willis proposal was hotly debated, molded and reshaped. By December 23, 1913, when President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law, it stood as a classic example of compromise—a decentralized central bank that balanced the competing interests of private banks and populist sentiment.

A supposed counter
>The maiden voyage of Titanic indeed had three of the wealthiest Americans living at the time: John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, and Isidor Straus (most conspiracy theorists mispell his name "Strauss" which gives a clue as to their level of accuracy). According to the theory, as J.P. Morgan was planning to form The Federal Reserve, he killed off any potential threats by ensuring rival millionaires Jacob Astor, Isidor Straus and Benjamin Guggenheim, who all allegedly opposed the forming of a central bank, perished aboard Titanic.
>This theory got a surge of support when the pro-Trump online conspiracy-theory group QAnon mentioned it in Nov. 2017. However it is not new. According to The Washington Post, "compared to other Titanic blarney, the J.P. Morgan theory is relatively new, but QAnon didn’t invent it — it’s been echoing inside Internet rabbit holes for years." ("Fact-checking QAnon conspiracy theories: Did J.P. Morgan sink the Titanic?" August 4, 2018 by Erick Trickey Link to article)
>A headline in The New York Times, Monday 16 October 1911, page 10, reveals that Straus actually supported the forming of a federal reserve bank.



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More like obscure information (in the West) but
The (real)National-Bolshevik party tried to create ethnic Russian state in North Kazakhstan, but their weapon-caching operations were revealed and this plan was toppled by Russian intelligence.
Limonov was arrested in 2001 because of this. They were in contact with Kokshetau-based cossack ultranationalists and planned an insurrection, you can read nazbol "manifesto" on Kazakhstan here:


As a side note the reason the symbol of the Nazbols is a grenade is because the nickname for that type of grenade is "limonka" in Russia, thus a reference to LIMONov


I thought this long, In-Depth, and Thought-provoking Effort Post I made in another thread recently would be Interesting to discuss in the context of the ongoing Russian Imperialist Invasion of Ukraine, so I reposted it in this thread. Enjoy!

My gut tells me that by the end of this decade, nobody is going to remember any of the current “Narrative” that has been so thoroughly constructed by the Global Capitalist Elite over the last several years. If you don’t quite get what I mean, I’ll explain a sorta “Schizo” theory of mine that I have been holding back until now, which is that I believe that the Post-Cold War Era can be divided into four distinct “Narratives”.

First the “End of History” Narrative from 1991-2001, that was characterized by the immediate aftermath of the fall of the USSR and the rest of the Socialist Bloc, and the subsequent emergence of the U$ as the sole Hegemonic superpower in a Unipolar system characterized by intensive Neoliberal Capitalist Globalization throughout the entire planet with the creation of truly integrated Global Supply Chains and a truly “Global” Economy combined with the rise of the Internet and Worldwide Cultural Homogenization/Westernization/Americanization along with the widespread adoption of Liberal Bourgeois Democracy as the main political system, with the only pushback to this being the relatively small Anti-Globalization movement that consisted primarily of the remnants of the Left shattered by the end of the Cold War.

The second Narrative is that of the “War on Terror” from 2001-2008 which was kicked of with the highly suspicious 9/11 attacks and included the subsequent U$ Imperialist Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq under the War Criminal Bush Administration alongside a period of widespread Islamophobia and obsession with the Middle East and “Islamic Terrorism” which for several years was treated as a “existential” threat to “Muh Freedumb” (it’s quite funny to look back and think that this was what people were worried about then, 😂), with the obvious expansion of Mass surveillance and Civil Liberties violations associated with this, with one of the main long term affects being that this was the first major blow to the first Narrative.

The Third Narrative was that of the “Global Financial Crisis” from 2008-2012, which started with the 2008 subprime mortgage meltdown and the resultant election of Barack Obama, and was characterized by a widespread belief that the Global Capitalist Economy was going to completely implode due to decades of extreme Neoliberalism, with this “Pessimism” partially foreshadowing the next Narrative. However, it turned out that this eminent “Collapse” never came, partially due to the fact that something else spread around the World at almost the exact same time the Financial Crisis did, the first “Smartphones” which sparked a new Tech boom that was partially responsible for ending the Financial Crisis and which also marked the start of what would become known as the “4th Industrial Revolution”.

The fourth and current Narrative is that of the “Undefined Crisis” and like it’s “vague” name it doesn’t have a clear starting point like the first three, as their is a case to be made that it started as early as 2012 (the year Obama was re-elected, Putin returned to power in Russia, and Xi Jinping took power in China) or as late as 2016 (the year Trump was elected), with serious cases made for 2013 (the year the DJIA recovered its losses from the 2008 crash and the “Belt and Road” was announced) or 2014 (the year Russia annexed Crimea and the “New Cold War” began), though it is clear that by 2016 it had completely replaced the previous Narrative. As insinuated by its “undefined” name, this Narrative unlike the previous three dose not have one clear event that defines It (The first had the Fall of the USSR, the Second had the 9/11 attacks, while the Third had the 2008 crash), but instead has the over-arching theme that their are multiple “Crisis” that are happening either simultaneously or in quick succession that are causing the slow but accelerating Fall of U$ Hegemony, and it’s replacement with some vague “Alternative”. This is seen clearly with the rise of the Right-wing “Populists” like Trump who seek to “make Murica Great Again”, the so-called “New Cold War” with Dengist China and Putinist Russia that supposedly is leading to some sort of utopian “Multipolarity”, the deepening Media-fueled “Culture War” of the Trump era (ie. MeTo, BLM, the “Alt-Right”, Qanon, transgenders, etc.) which is supposedly fracturing the very “foundation” of the U$ body politic, along with the 2020 Covid-19 “Pandemic” that supposedly hit the U$ more then any other country and also lead to 40 million job losses, the quickest collapse of the DJIA since 1929 (it recovered all its losses in six months, but the dramatic point still stands), the largest Riots since the 1960s, and the defeat of Trump himself in the 2020 Presidential Election followed by a two month campaign by the sitting U$ President to overturn the presidential results which culminated in a Deadly riot by his Reactionary Petit Bourgeois White voters at the capitol building in a desperate/farcical attempt to keep him in power. And this Narrative has outlived Trumps defeat and the fizzling out of the “Pandemic”, as seen by the fact that contrary to expectations, the media quickly turned on Biden and gave him the Jimmy Carter treatment after his withdrawal of U$ Troops from Afghanistan (its ironic that polls before it happened showed the withdrawal as popular among the vast majority of U$ voters, only for Biden’s approval to collapse once he did it, so much for Muricans being “Anti-War”), which was followed by a barrage of attacks on Biden blaming him for exaggerated “Inflation”, “Crime”, and even a final wave of the “Pandemic”, as Republicans started salivating at the prospects of a 2022 “Red Wave”. This finally brings us to where we are today, in Early 2022 with the Russian Imperialist Invasion of Ukraine and this general “Undefined Crisis” Narrative in full swing with many on the “News” networks and various websites across the political spectrum openly speculating about a potential “Third World War” and the most delusional even fearing “Le spooky Nukes”, 🤣. So what will “Happen” next, and how does it square with my first statement that by the end of this decade the current Narrative of the “Undefined Crisis” will be as forgotten as that of the “End of History”, the “War on Terror”, or the “Global Financial Crisis”?

The answer to that last question is that the only Narrative of the Post-Cold War era that was based in Material Reality was the first Narrative of the “End of History”, with the last three Narratives being artificially constructed fantasies hyped up by the Hyperbolic sensationalist Propaganda of the Global Capitalist Elite in order to conceal from the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World the horrifying truth of the victory of Neoliberal Capitalism over the entire planet, and the even darker truth that the current acceleration of Technological development that started with the Internet and was followed by the rise of the “Smartphone” and the resultant 4th Industrial Revolution is destined to render the Proletariat completely redundant to the needs of the International Bourgeoisie, thus meaning the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World are an endangered species that must be misled as to what their fate truly is, hence the smoke and mirrors of the last three “Narratives” (especially the current one). The only question left is how will this Narrative come to an End?

My gut tells me that the closest historical comparison to the current era is a farcical knockoff of the Late 1970s (As Marx himself stated, History repeats itself first as a Tragedy then as a Farce), with Biden cast as a Jimmy Carter figure who will have the Republicans win massive majorities in the 2022 Midterms followed by a massive Republican victory in the 2024 Presidential Election, probably in the midst of an exaggerated Stock Market crash and U$ “weakness” on the world stage in the “New Cold War”. Then, once the new Republican President takes office (probably Ron Desantis), the Narrative will change dramatically to one of a “Reaganite” comeback, in which the Haute Bourgeoisie and their Petit Bourgeois lap Dogs, cheer as the Safety Net is eliminated, Taxes are slashed, and Mass Incarceration of the Proles eliminated by the 4th Industrial Revolution, Outsourcing, and the end of the Safety Net accelerates, with the U$ transformed into a Crypto-Fascist, High-tech Police state, that is essentially Dengist China with fake “Multiparty” Elections and MAGAtard characteristics (I also suspect that the phony “Culture War” will fade away, as people shockingly learn that Republicans are more “Woke” then they seem, as seen by the fact that they love Non-Whites, Women, and LGBTQIA+ who are Bourgeoisie and put Class interests above all others). On the International front, U$ Hegemony will be firmly “restored” with the U$ Invading Iran to “save muh Jews” and “spread muh Freedumbs” under the new Republican President, while the “New Cold War” fades as quickly as it emerged as Putinist Russia collapses into Civil War upon Putin’s inevitable Death, Dengist China goes back to being a Imperialist Sweatshop until it eventually collapses into a violent Civil War (and new Warlord period) sometime in the 2030s due to the combination of internal “contradictions” and the 4th Industrial Revolution (particularly 3D printing) rendering their export-based economy obsolete, thus putting the World slowly on the road to a U$-led Global Government and the “peaceful” elimination of most of humanity by the end of the 21st century with the International Bourgeoise slowly evolving into Transhumanist Cyborgs. This frightful scenario is the most likely, though not inevitable outcome, as their is also a more hopeful scenario where I am wrong about my gut feeling, and the current Narrative of the “Undefined Crisis” actually gives way into “World War Three” by the end of this decade (not the much feared “Nuclear Apocalypse” but a High-Intensity Conventional Conflict between the U$-led and Chinese-led Imperialist Blocs that will culminate in the capitulation of one or both Blocs, most likely the Chinese-led one, but potentially the U$-led one as well), thus paving the way for a World Protracted People’s War to liberate the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World a put them on the Shining Path to Communism!


Bob Marley apparently got killed by the CIA


I think this board, although a bit slow has been fairly successful.


>Which conspiracy theories should I subscribe to as a leftist
Elite pedophile-blackmail rings. Assume all porkies are decadent degenerate hedonists unless they prove otherwise.


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