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 No.1614

On The Slenderman Mysteries by Nick Redfern he talks about how the hermetic order of the golden dawn had this ritual where they worshipped a god, commonly from acient myths like the greeks of egyptians and when they felt they had the god's blessing they will get rid of everything they had for that god or to worship that god and will start a new with another god.
After Alister crowley's death the golden dawn introduced characters form the cthulu myths to this ritual, it sounds incredibly retarded but if the gods of acient cultures are not real then how is worshipping fictional copyrighted characters any different?
Alan Moore, the comic book writer has performed this ritual with characters of his own creaton and other comic book characters, he has vivid stories of stumbling upon them in real life.
Radfern makes the argument that society performed this ritual and that by believing tht Slenderman is a real mythological creature and not a meme we willed it into existence and so historical coincidences were reread as slenderman's history.

How is this related to Zizek's conception of ideology? We do not choose our ideologies, you can simply say 'I do not have any ideology" That is an ideology by itself. having the blassing of a god even if you know it doesn't exist is ideology in function, and magic is basically a symbolic act where you tell yourself that "you believe that you believe" and rewrite the ideological narrative that exists within you.

 No.1615

yeah, that sounds about right. same with religion in general too tbh

 No.1616

>>1615
Abrahamic religions are right handed path magic, it should come as no surprise they have the same end function.

 No.1617

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>>it sounds incredibly retarded but if the gods of acient cultures are not real then how is worshipping fictional copyrighted characters any different?
We're basically talking about chaos magic I think here anon.
Why worship gods from ancient cultures? Well because you either want to experience religious bliss, and/or you want to gain something materially, in which it would be more of an occult experiment.
Why ancient cultures, because this was when religion started. It's, to use a fictional example, like Dr. Who's TARDIS, it's got stuck as a Victorian police box. Similarly gods of the past have visual depictions, words in ancient languages, associated with them.

The only point to doing this with fictional characters would be if you're banking on it being effected through some sort of parapsychology means. As though the human mind has an ability in itself to effect changes that science hasn't discovered yet.

On the other hand if you worship gods from ancient cultures, whether they exist outside of the human mind or not is unprovable either way. But the source material is probably richer than that from comic books. So you're probably better off worshipping gods from ancient texts, rather than fictional characters
Most of the fictional characters are rehashed from religion anyway. Cthulu is a paranoid take on Caananite religion. You might as well go to source.

Even the ancients themselves didn't really set much store on belief as such, they thought if you did the ritual the gods would respond. Inner conviction or faith was really a Hebrew innovation.

 No.1621

>>1617
So ancient gods have a larger symbolic value and so better for said rituals?
It sounds obvious in hindsight

 No.1627

>>1621
>So ancient gods have a larger symbolic value and so better for said rituals?
As far as rituals go they seem like opportunists.
There's a bit in Gilgamesh. The epic contains a story-within-a-story, the story of Utnapishtim, an earlier Noah figure.
The gods have wiped out mankind in a flood, but in doing so they've cut off their supply of sacrifices.
So when Utnapishtim who's been tipped off by one of the gods and made a boat makes a burnt offering on finding dry land, as the text says they descend
<like flies
5,000 years ago science wasn't seperate from religion. It was kind of do this, and see what result follows. Including the use of ritual and sacrifices.
A lot of them are probably redundant. There might have been some use in examinining a sheep's liver for signs and portents of disaster . If the soil is crap, then it would result in both a higher average of weird organ deformities, and disasters like crops failing. But it's a very indirect method compared to modern science.
But ritual is probably still good for things that require inspiration.


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