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 No.311207

Why are arrested development millenials so obsessed with le TRVE free internet of yore (which period of existence keeps expanding with each subsequent year, first it was the user net days and now it includes imageboards)

You do realize that regardless of whether social media exists nowadays or not, 90s/y2k futurist optimist nerds were wrong and the internet was never a way for humanity to liberate itself but rather just more of the same hyper-commodified garbage?

>inb4 go back to Reddit/Twitter/Facebook/TikTok/Instagram

Millenoids literally only know one insult

 No.311211

>the internet was never a way for humanity to liberate itself
speak for yourself

 No.311218

Go back to 7chan

 No.311232

>>311218
What a weird non-sequitor

 No.311234

Because boomers want to go back to usenet and millennials want to go back to pre-2008, retard

 No.311237

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>>311207
>You do realize that regardless of whether social media exists nowadays or not, 90s/y2k futurist optimist nerds were wrong and the internet was never a way for humanity to liberate itself but rather just more of the same hyper-commodified garbage?
Lmao, you only think that because that's what you use the internet for.

Normal websites still exist, just browse Neocities for a bit and it's obvious. Social media didn't replace anything. Again, that's just what *you* think the internet is because that's what you use the internet for. There's definitely people with nostalgia for their era of the internet, but they're dumb for the same reasons you are.

 No.311243

Dont be so cynical. I remember when I could be free to act like myself online without fear of repercussions now I have to always worry whether I will be banned for mere opinions or humour.

>>311237
These sites are pretty dead though.

 No.311245

>>311237
Neocities is dead and most of its users are social media refugees anyways lmao
Yeah ok nice essay on how social media ruined everything and Y2K CSS, now how about actually building something that isn't complaining about social media?

 No.311246

>>311243
>>311245
>Neocities is dead
There's so much activity on https://neocities.org/activity every few minutes tho. It's more consistently active than some imageboards. Also it was simply an example, a lot of people self-host their sites.
>most of it's users are social media refugees
I wouldn't say most, though a lot of new users are, yeah. I started as one but now I use both.

 No.311250

>>311243
>I remember when I could be free to act like myself online without fear of repercussions now I have to always worry whether I will be banned for mere opinions or humour.
This mf thinks every site was Something Awful or 4chan

 No.311255

How many more of these threads do we need in less than a month?

 No.311260

>>311255
It's just one guy making them.

 No.311276

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>>311243
>im going to say ………. the N WORD
>mmmwwahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 No.311277

>>311246
I wanted to make a neocities but the guy who owns the whole thing is big into cryptocurrencies and that turned me off the whole thing.

 No.311288

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>>311277
what's wrong with crypto

 No.311291

>>311288
as a communist im against currency

 No.311307

>>311207
>You do realize that regardless of whether social media exists nowadays or not,

Social media existed and was ubiquitous in the '00s too. Like really it started in the '90s I'm pretty sure.
I'm not obsessed with le TRVE free internet, I mostly just like stuff being less centralized and more customizable. Like a couple years ago most browsers straight up started blocking flash completely, and they're only now slowly moving the absolute biggest flash pieces to an updated version. There were thousands of independent animations, elaborate free in-browser games, and even MMORPGs that were just straight up lost in the time between without any real alternative… and it's become more difficult to create interactive web content as well, and most online gaming now seems to be going through STEAM which, you know, is just one company.
Reddit, Twitter, and FB were all around in the '00s, there just were more active alternatives to them as well. Also more of those weren't so gray and drab - Myspace, YouTube, etc. all had more options then for customization than the big sites do today. Like there's Spacehey, now, and it's neat not because it's "retro," but because you can actually fuck with the code on your page and just freely add anyone you want.

This stuff really isn't just all relative, it's been shifting towards a more centralized model for a while and there are reasons for that. Facebook being in bed with dataminers (this was a big ethical scandal in the '00s but people stopped caring) and intelligence as well as their setting a precedent for putting social media sites on the stock market has kind of reduced the amount of effort they have to put in to keep their market dominance. When you have a whole bunch of speculative liquid capital coming in just 'cuz you exist, you don't really have to bother with maintenance on the user end as much. For a massive site, FB is full of internal deadlinks and non-answers about valid questions.

On top of that stuff, we're at a pretty precarious point in history too, at least in the US. Biden's FCC still hasn't restored net neutrality policies, which means in future admins ISPs could be used as means for private censorship. During the Trump administration, SESTA/FOSTA also passed, which created a massive chilling effect where sites became afraid to allow hookup classifieds and discussions of sex work. In the EU, article 13 passed which imposed new filtering rules on sites in order to protect the IP of massive corporations. What you get are increasing excuses to censor, and uncensored it's a very valuable resource. I don't claim it's "liberating" or whatever, but it is like having a potentially unlimited library in every home where you can also communicate with people around the world about anything. What I don't like seeing is increasingly frivolous limits imposed on it. Unlimited it's not going to lead to revolution - revolution takes work - but neither is indoor plumbing. When the water's full of lead and you can't drink it, that's a step in the wrong direction.

 No.313552

>>311243
I'm not sure if repercussions were non existent on the early web.
Yea sure there was more Grey market going on in The early days of civilian Internet, but still.

>>311307
The Internet started out as military communications tool.
It then became adapted for civilians by the late 1970s early 80s with the invention of the PC.

 No.313557

>>311307
Don't forget the campaigns against "disinformation" where you'll be deplatformed if you say anything that isn't the NATO narriative.

 No.313560

>it's another "yeah well millennials are OLD" thread
You can't dunk, stop trying.

 No.313575

>>313560
Nah. Millennials aren't old. Boomers are old. Millennials are the ones referring to the.selves as old just because they feel bummed out about having a newer generation spring up after them.

Millennials are in second adolescence.

 No.313598

>>311237
>Normal websites still exist, just browse Neocities for a bit and it's obvious. Social media didn't replace anything
A few heritage streetcar networks still exist, the car didn't replace anything.

freedom means nothing unless enjoyed by all. this approach is perilously close to the digital version of telling an 1800s Atlanta resident "oh, you don't like living in a slave society? have you considered homesteading in the Appalachians rather than complaining like a little bitch?"

 No.313605

>>311207
We have this thread every day.

 No.313609

>>313605
No. We have this thread every month.

"We have this thread everyday":
>help I'm horny and 25 with no sex experience
>why do libs do this?

 No.313613

>>313605
>>313609
if you want a new and original gimmick thread you should reply to mine >>313580

 No.313725

>>313552

I don't think civilian internet really existed in the late 1970s - maybe it did. In the '80s it did, yeah, but it was pretty much strictly academic…

 No.313756

>>311288
What's the TLDR on that? All the stuff onliine seems to be from summer 2021. Is Ethereum good now, at least in energy terms? It's still gonna be used to fuck people over ofc.

 No.313896

pre-social media internet was better in that all you needed was basic etiquette and something to say on the topic at hand and you were good. the social media corps routed that away and replaced it with “mutuals” cliques and spreading passively consumed right wing propaganda consuming all discourse
also you do know
<inb4 go back to Reddit/Twitter/Facebook/TikTok/Instagram
>Millenoids literally only know one insult
these platforms were created by and for millenials

 No.313908

>>311291
crypto is a technological opposition to state issued fiat currency, undermining the power of the state

 No.313909

>>313908
im sure you do sweetie

 No.313976

>>313756
Instead of getting paid for burning electricity and graphic cards, you get paid for having money. This wastes much less energy than before but is still several times as computation (and therefore energy) intensive as any centralized banking service. Also it does not fix how fucking slow, impossible to scale and libertarianally brainwomed blockchain is.

Also Bitcoin is still proof-of-work and always will be and very likely will always be the most popular coin

 No.314129

>>313976
i'm ambivalent to crypto, but
>impossible to scale
there are ways
https://github.com/mimblewimble/docs/wiki/MimbleWimble-Origin
>bitcoin likely always be most popular
yeah probably, but there are two areas i've seen things open up away from btc
1. crypto payment processors which allow any major crypto. (and already many sites that take btc take monero,ltc, bitcoin cash, sometimes others)
2. online drug markets overall are slowly shifting to monero (and this is helped with hosting their own btc <-> xmr swaps, that allows the transition)

still tho btc is the easiest to get, with integrations w/ banking apps and stuff, so yeah


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