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where anons should live: a data driven approach. In order to calculate where anons should live I have compiled a list of states which are ranked by the ration of average income to cost of living index. Included are states political leanings and abortion legality information, as previously female anons here pointed out that was a consideration in moving.

the top states which are both liberal-leaning politically, have liberal abortion laws, and are in the top half of the country in RELATIVE COL (income vs col) are:

New Jersey
Rhode Island

I should say that this doesn't say HOW liberal they are. Minnesota is D+1 and is not that liberal, having tons of libertarians and Michelle Bachmann plus the usual evangelical schizos in rural areas. However it also hasn't voted for a republican since the 1970s and has a ton of unions which skew it left despite being very white. also it has Ilhan Omar, so that's something. It's also cold as FUCK. The average yearly temperature in MN is 42.98°F/6.1°C. Which makes it around as cold on average as a Baltic or other eastern euro state like Lithuania or Belarus. It's also one of the few places in America that will be insulated from Climate change as its already, as I said, cold AF and also it has a large supply of fresh water in lake superior.

Illinois is also a good choice as Chicago is decent for people who want a big city life on a budget, at least compared with NYC/LA/etc. New Jersey surprised me being this high on the list, tbh but the data doesn't lie. It's way more affordable than NY. As for Maryland, again, no idea why its there but I'd guess that it has very high wages, but as you can guess it probably glows to high heaven due to the MIC + intelligence agencies there. Great public transit system though.




Bro I don't care about all that shit, I just wanna be around where some fun events are going on and I can find people to have fun with.


make sure you account for climate change including sea level rise and increased major weather events


You can live anywhere comfortably, just don't be poor


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>just don't be poor


You didnt even factor in safety…


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chicago is depressing and decrepit


chicago is both
bottom is an old inner ring suburb, top is downtown


this isn't reddit


>Wild fires
A problem sure, but with so many problems in America they become the least of your concerns. It's like being worried about sharks when you're in the middle of the ocean, sure they're scary, but you have bigger issues.

Anyway, before we start analysis, you should try to aim somewhere you can live without a car. Car-dependency is a nightmare in every aspect, one of them is contributing to poverty. See >>356631 , Chicago the city you can work with, Chicago the (car-dependent) suburbs are a nightmare.



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img rel are a real problem. Jokes aside, I didn't mean to post early

Anyway, suburbs in America are 99% of the time car-dependent (except for a few like Paterson NJ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVeSiWTU74s) ), so I recommend watching this video for good cities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XrBoasOeiY .

There's also CityNerd who makes all kinds of videos you can use to help research on it, here's a playlist of a variety of top tens you can control-f for: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkqErPfC4Ajrwq2-lnMN-_gteQ2Z6Zglr

If you want to skip the research and think of some places, I can give you a list of the places that I was planning on going:
1) New York
2) Jersey City
3 [tie]) Hoboken or Philadelphia
5) The city in Colorado that's walkable, (I can't remember it, all I can think of is Silicon valley for some reason).

There's also the rust belt you can think of if you want to plan around climate change, alan fisher again made a video around it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWLn6uwPETY

I can't think of other youtubers to recommend when it comes to learning more about car free living in America. The other channels either talk about it as a concept, or talk about how great Amsterdam is


Move to Toronto, even the suburbs have public transit lines
There's buses and streetcars and subways, and even light rail is being rolled out rn


>>356670 (Me)
>>356667 (Ego)
Forgot to talk about other posts

Safely is helpful, but the danger of the places are overblown since of the cult of terror in America.
If anything, if you lived in those dangerous areas, as long as you just don't fight with anyone or have friends that're stupid, you're fine.

Many ares will lead you to a negative spiral of wealth, so if anything, no, not everywhere you can live comfortable.


I assumed this thread was all about living in usa, not Canada. Canada does have the car dependency issue as well, but you can work with the citys there.


Moving here is pretty easy for Americans


Protip no matter where you are if you select a place to live that is window aligned with the sun right it will cut down on electric bills so you can actually wind up with a lower cost of living than the other half of people facing the wrong way. Has to do with how the sun warms the houses. Just do a little research into that. Some real estate agencies dont even know this or if they do dont mention it since many people dont understand so it doesnt necessarily effect costs to rent or buy somewhere.

I'd say Porland Oregon may be up there as a possibly good place for some people. Although cost of living is relatively higher than cities like Denver Colorado or Austin Texas but cheaper than cities like San Francisco California abut you can possibly get by on less money because it has one of the most pedestrian and cyclist friendly cities in the US as well as has a bus and rail system and their minimum wage is like $14.75 an hour so it's not terrible from sound of it if you are careful. Oregon has some of the better healthcare coverage in the US from what i can tell. Oregon also has the most lax drug laws in all the US where they decriminalized every drug apparently as ive heard and legalized cannabis which is good even if you dont do drugs because police will less likely plant something on you id assume. It's not one of most polluted cities in US or even Oregon even though it's largest city in Oregon. Violent crime rate is about same as national average sometimes below it. If you are LGBT Oregon has some of the best legal protections in the US from being fired or evicted for this sort of thing. Seems like a fun place because the quirky people too. Among large US cities it ranks about average fatal shootings by police per capita.

Anyone want to give a counter argument?


minneapolis has public transit (metro)


Not really, you need a TN visa which means your employer has to fill out paperwork proving no canadian could do the job, or get in as a skilled worker which is a bunch of trouble as well.


I'd like to take this moment to say to everyone


Not going to be specific?


That's just a normal ass house, what's wrong with that?


Plus you make rightoids mald just by existing there


No need to be specific San Francisco is just the absolute worst place thats ever existed.


do specific cities in the usa make rightards seethe?
t. nonburger


I have an image in my head that says some if the northeastern parts are livable but am a nonburger so idk, you might see bernie sanders irl and try to bully him into communism


They kinda hate cities in general, but hate Portland because they think it's Antifa central. Other popular choices include Chicago and Detroit, which they see as high crime areas full of minorities.


im not a burger but I like the idea of the Pacific Northwest but I heard thats where lots of stormfags moved to carve out a white homeland, what's the deal with that?


Chicago is comfy. Like living right on the edge of the incipient apocalypse. I miss visiting.
San Fran sucks. Smells like a diaper. And silicon valley is haunted by an evil entity. Belial hovers over it, swathed in the fog of the bay. I had very good Chinese there tho.

You should all move to the south so you can keep me company. I am so alone here.


that little twerp probably thinks the "best cities to live in" is a good source


Im in Oregon and have been to Portland too and am brown. So far haven't gotten any racism in the main cities or even some smaller ones. Im still on edge because of the history but its wearing off, everyones pretty nice I like it here so far


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Come to pissburgh we have furries


this, but they basically hate all cities which arent fort worth, okc, or miami


most of the stormfags went to idaho along with the other rightoids


Silicon Valley is concentrated in Palo Alto, an extremely affluent suburb near the Stanford campus like 20-30 miles south of SF, and north of San Jose
SF is a nice industrial port city with a lot of culture
Complaining about its "smell" is a good indicator that your only experience with it was as a tourist from the burbs


I drove through silicon valley on my way into san francisco, which cast a sinister pall over the visit. They're close enough (especially in california distances) to be pretty well connected. I don't deny being a tourist, but I'm not from any burb, and I don't see how any of that changes the fact that it smells like a fucking diaper.


You sound like a dumbass


isn't idaho like a flyover state in amerikkka?


yes and the new jerusalem for a lot of nazis
right next to washington and oregon


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Thank you, I pride myself on that fact


Eh, I’d say there’s a fair share of minorities, mostly Mexicans and Asians. Regardless, I wouldn’t be worried, especially with how much nazis hate Portland, and Oregon somewhat by proxy due to antifa.
Biased as a “native”, but Oregon is undoubtedly in the top 5 states. People are generally nice, air and water pollution is some of the lowest if not the lowest of any major city, temperature/weather never gets unbearably cold or warm, there’s actually diverse trees/reserves/forests unlike the sterile East, and barren south, plus minimum wage is pretty high compared to most urban locales.


Aryan Nations relocated to Seatle Washington after a lawsuit where they lost their land. Most of the current Nazis in Idaho live out of state and bus in to make demonstrations. Even back in the 90s when they lived there what people did when they marched was turn their backs to them to deprive them of attention.

It post 2011 has to do with a writer who wanted to convince conservatives to move there and some Nazis jumped in on it trying to hijack it. Just look up American Redoubt. Before then it was just because it being far away from the major US international shipping ports had a large percentage of white population so they migrated there to try to avoid minorities. When i grew up there minorities werent even seen as different from anyone else a lot of people didnt care about race. A Swede told me a lot of Swedish immigrants live there which im not sure if that factors in or not.


I’ve never seen a Swede and I’ve lived all throughout PNW


He may have overestimated because he personally knows several that moved into the NorthWest US.


Im a califugee in oregon. honestly its getting pretty expensive rent wise in oregon here too, id give it about 5 to 10 more years before califags gentrify all the native oregonions out.


Ive heard good things about Buffalo, NY


PSA, its land owners who gentrify not renters who are forced to pay their extortionate fees


California and New York where? Literally the two most progressive states of the country


greetings, fellow pittsburgh anon. its hilarious to watch the autism unleashed upon downtown during anthrocon.
we also have lotsa punks, if youre into that kinda thing
not mad that i live here, it feels unique. wouldnt want to live anywhere smaller though, and public transit blows


>New York
>Literally the two most progressive states of the country
Lol what does that even mean?

>San Fran sucks. Smells like a diaper. And silicon valley is haunted by an evil entity. Belial hovers over it, swathed in the fog of the bay. I had very good Chinese there tho.
I agree, San Fran has an evil vibe. Maybe it's because of the grove. Really beautiful city tho. I love the Presidio and those cliffs and beaches around there.


Why would a leftist want to live in a rightoid shithole?


to own the libs of course


>Why would a leftist want to live in a rightoid shithole?
That's the whole country. I've never lived in some Evangelical small town, but besides that I don't see how local politics really matter that much.

My criteria would be:


Real COMRADE CHADS would actively go to Red states, preaching the importance of being a true free American man owning their own workplace, basically creating a trojan horse for socialism.


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Some of us (me) don't have the mental fortitude of bashing brains against a brick wall, that said you're right


if you look at the original rankings it takes COL into account. California and NY are pretty bad on that count


>top states
>New Jersey
holy fuck, you can't be serious


Okay, take my fucking advice here - if you're an east coast specifically northeast native DO NOT take the faggot advice in this thread and move to a west coast city or town. relationships over there are fucking awful. On the west coast you can be friends with someone for 20 fucking years and end up in the hospital and they'll give you a phone call "I feel SO BAD you ended up in the hospital I am SO SORRY you are sick" and then fucking ghost you. people over there are raised on a steady diet of flakiness, disloyalty, and not showing up when someone they (hypothetically) care about is in trouble. I've never met such shallow two-faced people in my entire life. if you can tolerate being surrounded by the worst people on earth or are hermitpilled then fucking go for it. Or if you're into polyamory/being cheated on maybe it'd be the place for you
also why isn't Massachusetts/Maine/New Hampshire/Vermont on this list?? They are paradise states, zero crime, and there are very affordable places to live in each of them, the worst city in Mass doesn't even come close to the worst midwest shithole. I agree with Pennsylvania being left out though, there's literally no way to make a living in the livable parts of PA unless you landlord the fuck out of minimum 20 crackheads


I almost moved to Salem, Ohio. I was stalled by a few months due to being in an accident back in November. I guess now I know exactly why that happened to me with the current situation going on up there and in surrounding areas. No idea where I'm going to go now. I need to get the fuck out of where I'm at though.


is there anywhere in the states that has: public infrastructure, loose gun laws, and a college that has a good philosophy department? if not i'll just settle for the first two


The cost of living average is high because the wages are better on average


nvm, have settled on maine, will find a cheap car


If you see a place with a lower average cost of living, that means its wage-labor market is shit


It depends on your profession. Jobs on the lower end tend to pay the same everywhere.


Maybe, but there's less jobs on the lower end too


Even fruit pickers in the Inland Empire get paid >15$ an hour
There's a reason why so many people migrate to the US, and it's definitely not to settle in Texas or Florida


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>There's a reason why so many people migrate to the US, and it's definitely not to settle in Texas or Florida
And whatchu talm bout. I think the jobs illegals get is highly dependent on what kind of businesses will hire them. But speaking on the subject, my friend who lived in CA and also in Seattle said that they pay a lot better for construction up there because there's a lot less illegals putting negative pressure on the wages up there.


Four Indeed listings aren't proof
Your friend sounds like a racist that doesn't know what they're talking about


>Four Indeed listings aren't proof
You provided 0 proof retard.

>Your friend sounds like a racist that doesn't know what they're talking about
He's speaking from experience you retard.

How do liberal faggots always have unshakeable confidence in all the bullshit they asooom with 0 facts to back anything up.


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>Maybe, but there's less jobs on the lower end too
Also another incorrect assoomption.


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Some even harder numbers for you.

21% higher median income is nothing to sneeze at, but when you compare it to the 200% greater home price.


Have sex


Is this a gpt bot programmed to talk like a liberal faggot?


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newfefe detected
anon is calling you an incel


"dilate" makes zero sense to anyone that doesn't understand the inner contents of a seething incel's mind


That's why the cheat sheet exists in the first place


are illegal immigrants really 24% of cali's population?


the rankings are decided by the ratio of cost of living to average income i.e. "effective" cost of living


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Is there any safe walkable city in ameriga that I dont have to pay out the ass in rent to live?


ive heard chicago is the best one for this


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>You provided 0 proof retard.
Left is Florida, middle is California, right is Texas



Most people rent


Renting is for suckers and the rent is much higher in California anyways.


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What does that even mean? If you buy a house, you probably take out a mortgage which creates debt for the financial system, you pay some real estate developer who wants a return on their land speculation for the house, and you pay bills to utility companies continuously after that. Is that also for suckers in your weird petty-bourgeois ethical system? Also it just makes sense to rent in a high-density urban area.


Y'all are the weirdest motherfuckers. Complain nonstop about landlords then say how great renting is.


It's all the same either way. You're still paying capitalists for a place to live.


almost like theres no way to get away from capitalism either way huh

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