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 No.382280

Are CIV VI developers chinlets? They whitewashed Ramses to a ridiculous level

 No.382281

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Lmfao he literally looks like the meme, I think Firaxis might have some /pol/tards

 No.382282

>>382280
Egypt was a successful multiracial state.
Liberals don't like multiracial states it's the reason they always obsess over ethno nationalism through the balkanization of foreign countries.

 No.382283

>>382282
Yeah I don't think there were people who could literally pass in Northern Germany living in Egypt at the time tho

 No.382285

I love how Civ 6 potrayed Ramses as white and Cleopatra as brown even though it was the other way around

 No.382296

>>382283
Motherfucker I wasn't talking about the Germans. You could easily pass as Egyptian if you where Greek in northern Egypt.

 No.382297

>>382296
I shouldn't even say "passing" as the idea of a Egyptian race doesn't really make sense.

 No.382301

Lol how? He look very meditterranean

 No.382357

To be fair, they also made Hammurabi too black.
They don't have an agenda, they're just stupid (or doing this for publicity).
>>382285
Also this. Ptolemies were notoriously inbred and never mixed with the locals.

 No.382373

>>382301
I don't know shit about Egyptian history but modern Egyptians definitely look like this. No clue if they did historically though.

 No.382472

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>expecting Civilization to be in any way accurate
This is the game series where they kept the bug where Gandhi will nuke you because it's funny.

Joking aside the entire core mechanics of Civ is based on some kind of ultra-reactionary essentializing of cultures into some sort of spirit that lives on through millennia and doesn't really change. I kind of get that it would be harder to develop game mechanics that more accurately simulate historical dialectics and the rise, fall, mutation, etc of cultures but like come the fuck on lol. As it is the series is basically promoting this idea of racial destiny and the fact that you can sort the civs into tiers pretty much completes the structure of nazi-like ideology.

 No.382474

>>382472
Paradox games also do this but they make it abstract enough that nerds are duped into thinking it's actually a historical simulation

 No.382476

>>382474
>Paradox games also do this
>>382472
>Joking aside the entire core mechanics of Civ is based on some kind of ultra-reactionary essentializing of cultures

Is this why reactionaries can like them so much?

 No.382496

>>382476
the games force you to play as a reactionary (because it's a game that necessarily has to have winners and losers) and then they transpose that on to reality and assume reality works like video games so adopting reactionary politics is justified to "win"

 No.382585

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>>382476
>Is this why reactionaries can like them so much?
Yes but it should be noted this is less an intentional feature and more the unconscious replication of colonial ideology about civilizations and barbarians. (The existence of literal barbarians as a mechanic in the game is another whole can of worms.)

 No.382589

>>382585
At least barbarians in VI can form city-states eventually

 No.382591

>>382296
I think he meant Firaxis representation of Ramses looked like a literal Saxon

 No.382593

>>382496
You can win by being super progressive though. If anything it's easier, go full tech, full social development, pick all progressive laws, only war in self defense or against fascist regimes (depending on game).

 No.382600

>>382593
Yeah but one of the more fucked up things is the fact that whether the game will be more peaceful or more violent depends on which other civs are in it, which has some very "despite making up only 13% of the population" vibes.

 No.382614

>>382280
They brownwashed the Scythian leader so it balances out.
In all seriousness, only the blue eyes are dumb, his skin tone and features are perfectly normal in Egypt and North Africa more generally.

 No.382616

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Playing map games probably causes a bigger brainrot and chvdification than binge watching rightoid youtubers or browsing /pol/ 24/7

 No.382624

>>382616
Isn't it more likely that autistic people are drawn to map games

 No.382627

>>382600
No it doesn't. In reality, some cultures and leaders are simply more warlike than others, the game is just representing that fact.

 No.382660

>>382627
No culture exists independent of context, unlike in these games where e.g. the Aztecs or the Chinese can be plopped down on an RNG map. The propensity of a culture to go to war is a function of its historical conditions, not some ineffable quality of that people. But in these games you can bet that if you see Montezuma pop up you are gonna be fighting some wars.

 No.382671

>>382624
yes, im autistic and i am addicted to map painting games.

 No.382700

>>382660
What do you expect? If all factions were identical and just affected by material conditions then the game would be boring. A game of actual realistic civilisational growth would be interesting but would be a truly immense and possibly impossible undertaking. After all if the technology to perfectly simulate the world existed then the bourg would keep it to themselves to help them rule.

 No.382733

>>382700
Damn it's almost like the idea of turning real life cultures into abstract and trans-historical factions in a video game inherently has some problematic implications.

 No.382734

Is fun a bourgeois construct? Is having fun bourgeois?

 No.382740

>>382593
They like Civ V more than VI it's more chvddy

 No.382755

>>382734
>if you think art reflects underlying cultural biases you hate fun
Just because there are racist elements of something doesn't mean you have to stop enjoying it. Everything doesn't have to perfectly reflect your politics, and you don't have to feel bad about enjoying problematic things (although maybe you should self-reflect if you feel compelled to jump to defend something if it's pointed out to have problems).
I do dislike civ, but not because it's racist. The game mechanics are pretty bad and it's unnecessarily time sink-y.

 No.382791

>>382740
Civ V is super Chvd, civ games in general are extremely chvddy (even more than paradox games like EU4) because they let you commit literal genocide (by the name of razing cities)

 No.382792

>>382472
> the entire core mechanics of Civ is based on some kind of ultra-reactionary essentializing of cultures into some sort of spirit that lives on through millennia and doesn't really change.
In general vidya is full of reactionary tropes and it doesn't get pointed out often enough.
It's a bit better than 10-20 years (Victoria 3 is notably less eurocentric and racist than the previous installments, and there's less AAA titles in general where western white male protagonist guns down scores of brown npcs for FreEdumB) but shit like this still persists

 No.382796

>>382792
Paradox is trying to make its games a bit more inclusive but Firaxis keep making civ games with like 2828737373 euro civs and 5 non-euros

 No.383118

>>382792
ridiculously high levels of twitter faggotry in this comment

>It's a bit better than 10-20 years there's less AAA titles in general where western white male protagonist guns down scores of brown npcs for FreEdumB

the only 2000-2012 AAA FPS video games i remember where you even kill brown people was modern warfare 2s favela levels and the first half of cod4, then you spend the rest of the 3 games killing whites.

you twitterfags just aren't living in reality

>Victoria 3 is notably less eurocentric and racist than the previous installments

why? because all country's are equally bland now?

 No.383123

>>383118
Go away chvd

 No.383124

>>383123
>t. mad cause wrong
your (or his) perception of AAA video games from 10-20 years ago is based off of a twitter version of a reality that doesn't exist.
go touch grass, or atleast get some friends to play video games with so you can educate yourself on the subject you ignorantly talk about so you can be liberated from your twitter retardation.

 No.383137

>>383118
Civ 6 civs for reference as of current version. Could also do it with the leaders which makes it even more disproportionate.
Some of these are arguable since EVROPA isn't well defined.

tl;dr it's like half European
wypipo: 24
Original civ: 18
Colonial spinoff: 6 (3 Anglo ones)
PoC: 26
Africa: 6
Americas: 5
Asia: 15
E Asia: 4
S Asia: 2
SE Asia: 3
W Asia: 5
Oceania: 1

wypipo
>Burger
>Straya
>Brazil (colonial spin-off)
>Byzantium (coded as white and spun off Rome)
>Leaf
>Dutch
>Bong
>Frog
>Gaul
>Georgia
>Germany
>Gran Colombia (colonial spin-off)
>Greek
>Hungary
>Macedonia
>Norway
>Poland
>Portugal
>Rome
>Russia
>Scotland
>Scythia
>Spain
>Sweden

PoC
>Arabia
>Aztec
>Babylon
>China
>Cree
>Egypt
>Ethiopia
>Inca
>India
>Indonesia
>Japan
>Khmer
>Kongo
>Korea
>Mali
>Maori
>Mapuche
>Maya
>Mongol
>Nubia
>Ottoman
>Persian
>Phonecia
>Vietnam
>Zulu
>Sumer

 No.383138

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 No.383262

>>382280
I really dont care. PS. CIV 6 is strategy for young children at least play IV.

 No.383280

>>383138 choccy milk

 No.383432

>>382280
>They whitewashed [egyptians] to a ridiculous level
so does hollywood

 No.383443

>>383137
>>Ottoman
Ottomans are Crakkkers

 No.383446

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>>382280
Ben Kingsley ass pharoah.

 No.383451

>>382281
beat me to it. is this real? lmao

 No.383454

>>382357
>To be fair, they also made Hammurabi too black.
makes sense. funny tho

 No.383472

>>382357
Didn't they also make Tomyris brown instead of ginger? I also recall a few Civ V leaders being either too dark or too light.

 No.383476

>>382357
based Firaxis deconstructing race essentialism

 No.383515

>>383446
Ben Kingsley is like half Indian tho.

 No.383516

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>>383472
Yes Tomyris looks brown because apparently if you are a horse lord lady from the steppes you can't be white. Cleopatra is probably the funniest one for being too brown.

 No.383891

>>383516
>woman consorts with animals
>not depicted as hwite
Smh


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