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 No.382860

What makes the universe scientifically intelligible? Could an alternative universe exist where science wouldn't have been so successful?

 No.382888

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>>382860
Consciousness by sense certainty produces pattern recognition
Pattern recognition turns to experimentation in the development of symbols, which become expressed as "magic" in communities
Eventually form becomes removed from essence and so abstraction occurs as an inward investigation of phenomena
Man begins to think about his own thinking
He eventually becomes enlightened.
As long as there are patterns, they should produce self-consciousness in brains eventually.

 No.382892

>>382860
How can you claim the universe is intelligible when there are such massive gaps in our scientific understanding of it? Dark matter, dark energy, spooky action at a distance, spin, superposition etc.

 No.382893

>>382888
Evolution itself is just organic matter being a mirror of it's external environment. The eye is so prevalent for example because of light, which then creates its own knowing. Some people say the brain develops in complexity likewise because of consciousness being impressed on matter as an electromagnetic grid of mentality.
But thats more of a fringe theory.

 No.382895

>>382892
In the words of kissinger: "there are known unknowns"

 No.382900

>>382895
And unknown unknowns.

 No.382903

>>382900
*sniff*

 No.382904

https://youtu.be/2msQwpzatQc

 No.382906

>>382892
It could be a lot worse.

 No.382908

>>382906
It most likely is.

 No.382909

>>382908
Worst case scenario is that the muslims and christians are right and 99% of humanity burns in hell forever

 No.382910

>>382909
Jesus died for my sins, sooooo.

 No.382911

>>382910
You have to choose the right denomination though

 No.382912

>>382911
No that's the beauty of it, it works even if I don't believe in it.
*sniff*

 No.382913

>>382912
Horseshoe-ism 🙏🏻

 No.382925

>>382908
What do you mean? We know a lot and can make use of it.

 No.382926

>>382925
Sure.

 No.382935

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>What makes the universe scientifically intelligible?
The human ability to reason and understand.
>Could an alternative universe exist where science wouldn't have been so successful?
A universe where intelligent life never came to be because there would be no minds that could reason.

 No.382948

>>382935
dumb humanist

 No.382957

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>>382935
>rationalist spotted

 No.382967

>>382935
i dont know if it's an ability to reason or understand but rather a propensity to form habits of thought and patterns regarding phenomena we experience

 No.383077

>>382860
>Could an alternative universe exist where science wouldn't have been so successful?
Yes, but there probably wouldn't be observers within it

 No.383101

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>>382957
Actually, Kantianism is in contradiction to Marxism, but than again, so is the Christian apologism and Primitivism that is tolerated and promoted here.
>>382967
So, wouldn't a rational mind be required to create these patterns in the first place?

 No.383148

>>383101
I am not a kantian, but an empiricist
"Reason" is a misnomer, since it implies some idealist property of organizing experience by abstraction. Animals can even sense patterns without having the ability to ponder on their meaning or whatever.
Patterns are written into our experience as cycles, rythms and melodies, which is why acoustics have such organic "resonance", and can move creatures in mass formations.
Of course today we recognize that all states pf matter are simply determined by vibration, which inturn orders atomic mass.

 No.383150

>>383101
A pattern is axiomatic, or self-evident - it has no "reason" or purpose which necessarily sustains it
Right now we can teach AI to overcome obstacles in simulations by simply repeating the process of failure. Adaptation becomes automatic, like evolution.

 No.383155

>>383148
There are even some plant leaves "remembering" the sensation of falling, which then becomes integrated into the experience of the organism - so sensation seems to be primary in all cases of consciousness. What do rationalists also feel about the unconscious? How a baby knows to suck on its mother's breast, or how it knows how to swim?

 No.383926

Things that produce equilibrium-like situations and emergent behavior by definition require consistent rules or at least local highly stable equilibrium.

A universe based on chaos, that is not systemically, cannot produce beings capable of understanding it.

 No.383936

>>383148

As a Humean empiricist, I find you very cringe for your misuse of the term 'empiricism' as it relates to kantian philosophy

 No.383941

>What makes the universe scientifically intelligible?
Cause-effect relationships that are coherent

 No.383962

>>382860
the world is intelligible because man is part of the world. our causal contiguity with the thing itself is the primary basis for intelligibility in the last instance. the sphere of what we can understand ultimately grows with our technology as we develop more advanced instruments

>>383926
probs true as well

 No.383967

>>383101
>wouldn't a rational mind be required to create these patterns in the first place.
There's just the propensity to form habits, but yes (although phrasing it as rational is sus). The belief that Hume was against any kind of pre-existing 'mind' is not in my opinion a good interpretation, but the point is that the habits themselves aren't innate, the only thing that's innate is the propensity to form habits.


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